DEBATE: Ben Shapiro & Blaire White
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- čas přidán 9. 01. 2018
- After Twitter went into an uproar after Ben's appearance on the Rubin Report where they discussed pronouns and myself, I decided to reach out and have a civil conversation with him.
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For what reason??
Callum McKenzie She's not an SJW
Callum McKenzie Because apparently it isn’t advertising-friendly to have a saying in something
Blaire White I loved that you two had an open discussion and this is how more people should be doing things.
Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Trans woman with .... agreeing... and... a civil conversation..?
Ben destroys trans woman through civility hahaha I love it. These conversations expand my mind
Why do you have to make this sound like a competition? Teach true principles and let others govern themselves! Our free Country can learn a lot from great people as these two!
@@PaulHowardNetwork r/whoosh
@@DatlTAE ikr
@MultiTarded troll
Why was this demonetized? 2 people having an adult conversation & CZcams doesn’t like that?
Probably because they said "sex" lmao
CZcams probably flagged it simply because it mentioned Ben Shapiro.
Cuz their not screaming and interrupting each other, and she's not demonizing Ben for no reason.
Metalbear 81 it’s probably because CZcams has pages of words that you can’t say or use to many times on their platform or else you get demonetized lol.
@@queendeshanira6096 didnt know that thanx
I mean if you look 100% like a woman (like Blair does), I'll call you a woman without even thinking about it. But if you're a chick with a beard, that's a bit more complicated.
If someone where to express romantic interest in her I would be very clear that she is trans. If I were describing her to a waitress to seat her at my table when she arrived I would just label her as female because she looks like a female and if I said trans or male they would probably be confused and not associate her with those descriptions. Most trans people I have seen look trans. She really pulls it off flawlessly. The pronouns need to make sense. I’m not just going to go along with peoples delusions just so they feel good about themselves. That’s Essentially lying to them. However Blaire has very successfully transitioned and unless it was a medical person or someone who expressed romantic or sexual interest I her I would say trans because they need to know that biologically to date her or treat her medically it’s important under those circumstances that they understand she is a biological male that transitioned.
If a trans person is mid-transition and either doesn't look like the gender they want, or look ambiguous, they need to accept that they will often be misgendered. If someone can pass without anyone realizing they're trans, then I think they've (for lack of better term)"earned" the pronoun.
🤣🤣🤣
Most Trans-folks think they're Gorgeous! 🤳 However Nature's Brutal Reality Doesn't Agree 😱
100% I feel like Ben’s stance with insisting on calling Blair a man is deliberately being awkward u see a woman it’s easier to say she insisting on not is just making it harder for urself.
I am a conservative. I am a follower of Ben. Blaire is the first trans person that I encounter that have common sense. Blaire is not delusional. Blaire, you have all my respect.
Same here & I agree 💯
You both debated so well, love you and you killed it!
OMG so agree huge follower of Ben but I absolutely love Blair’s, she makes sense with everything she says!
It’s probably more common than you’d think. We just see all the extremists. Gender has nothing to do with personality.
Same here! ✋
I don't really think this was a debate. This seemed like a discussion, and a nice one at that
This is called a civil debate, welcome to the educated few.
Yeah. They don't have opposite views... or different views on the matter
ikr
This is how a debate should work
@@SimonKanner-si3it riiiiiiiiight
It's so sad that seeing two people talk in a civil manner is so rare. You two killed it. Appreciate you!
It must be terrible where you live if such thing is so rare
salvador r the US?
@@BannedAide oh what a shock
salvador r lol right? People can’t just talk about politics without their being some sort of conflict. It’s refreshing to see a conversation like this be civil and understanding.
Yeah, he doesn't want her to have rights, but hey he at least laughs when he is arguing for persecuting a group of people because of their prefered pronoun
If someone is trans, but not obviously trans (such as Blaire, who looks and behaves like a biological female), this issue of pronouns is a non-issue. If a trans person has to tell you their pronouns, demand you use them and become insulted if you don't, they obviously are aware they aren't pulling it off.
Yeah, this is an issue of passing…which is very sensitive for everyone.
@@robynology101 I can't pass as a Fabio... Because I look like a Homer Simpson... should I be sensitive about that and demand that the ladies treat me like Fabio?
@@gatocles99 No. And that's my entire point. Thank you.
@@robynology101 It's Ma'am!
@@gatocles99 Ok, sir.
Cheers, Blaire. I'm a transman and I appreciate that you are representing us appropriately, and respectfully. This is the second time I have seen Mr Shapiro in a space where he has been given the freedom to share his opinions. It's great to see this. Keep up the great work 👍
No, you are a woman. Being a man is not a custom which you can pick wear. It is a biological fact. Every cell in you is male and it won't change after any genital mutilatiom.
@@Draco19970125 is he a man or woman? make your mind up lmao
Shut up
@@wybiefletcher6739 what you mean
you are so right she really is representing you properly! what some other people do works opposite- increase transphobia. she is great person.
I'm so happy. This is the first time I've seen Ben in a video that doesn't have "REKT" or "OWNED" in the title
Don't forget "Thug" :-)
*SJWs REKT IN CRINGE COMPILATION!*
or a mispelling
You spelled “misspelling” wrong
Spoon Speaks
Ha! Irony taught!
Blair white makes me respect the trans community so much she helps me understand the complexity of it without the dismissing feeling of wanting everyone to conform to their pov
Absolutely, it's like you actually want to understand when you listen to Blaire
@@haljordan1682 facts
right,but i think she's one in a million
If the trans community would carry themselves like Blaire they would receive so much more acceptance, respect, and understanding. Stop being loud and demanding, work on and love yourselves, respect others views
The thing is most of them aren’t like Blaire and want to act like what they think they are is an achievement.
"Whatever makes you happier and healthier makes your happier and healthier"
Many people would be surprised how open Ben is to individual choice as long as it's not hurting others or being pushed on society.
Well Ben is a libertarian. Libertarians believe they can disagree with people's lifestyles or actions and still agree with their freedom to do so as long as they don't create victims.
Yes!!
@@alexschneider8494 And is that bad…?
@@TheMaan2008 I'm a libertarian myself. When did I say it was bad or even allude to it?
@@alexschneider8494 Sorry 😅, I thought you were against him. Haha. That is why!
I was expecting a debate but instead I witnessed a rational discussion between two logical people. Thank you Blair and Ben.
That’s what a debate is, but I understand what you meant
Isn’t that a definition of a debate?
@@Kiwipeanutlove I think they meant an effective debate versus what we usually see
It wasn’t a debate. It was disrespect coming from Ben and Blaire put up with it.
As it usually goes between sound men.
The fact that when Blaire would start talking, Ben would actually stop himself and let Blaire talk shows that he's obviously not in "debate" mode and is much more relaxed and feels like he is just having a pleasant discussion.
You have never seen him debate then, he only interrupts if they go on too long
@@delightfullyjoyfulmiracl3255 In debates where there is a bit more hostility I see him interrupt a lot. That's not a criticism btw. It happens because he's often interrupted himself, and like you said if they're talking for too long.
Authentic Animations once they've got their point through than they no longer need to do it, they just get completely obliterated by FACTS & LOGIC
This wasn't a DEBATE, it was a discussion, she clicked baited.
Because they have the same exact opinion. It's not a debate if you have the same opinion. She is a conservative person.
Ladies and Gentleman this is how adults discuss a sensitive topic in a mature way: BRAVO BLAIR & BRAVO BEN!!!!!!!!!! I love this video.
Did you see how Candace Owens was towards Blaire?
@@chrishansen9731 why don't you have a seat
Kid Anarchy i laughed
Yes
@@dipper9496 Actually I'd like you to have a seat over there please.
This isn't a debate this is just two smart down to earth people haveing a discussion. I'm super happy this interaction happened!
No, it's a discussion between one total idiot and one smart but very evil man.
shut up Tim 😂 hatin ass
@@timmoser2876 she is smart. And they agreed with the same things.
@@timmoser2876 and why is he so evil
@@timmoser2876 how is she a bigot? Lpl
As a transgender woman, I will never Ever claim I am a biological female, since I have XY chromosomes. However, I have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, had HRT therapies and surgeries to match my body to my mind. This has helped me 100% to live a happy and healthy life with 0 physical damage and unfunction. Since I pass as a female now, I do not wish to tell anyone I’m trans besides the person I’m dating. I haven’t had a single person uncomfortable by my existence and everyone is happy. As for the pronouns, since I have made effort to transition I think it is more convenient for me to be addressed by she/her pronouns since that’s what people do automatically. What I disagree with Ben is that pronouns aren’t onlybiological related. I think secondary sexual characteristics play a lot in pronouns.
You just called yourself a woman, so you did claim to be biologically female.
@@KolchaksGhost No. She claimed to be a trans woman
agreed. Ben's argument is a little silly when it comes to practical application. if he called Blaire "he," people would be confused. it's not a "being nice" thing to use she/her, it just makes sense. so he'd rather know that someone is trans and then deliberately call them their biological sex? that just doesn't seem reasonable to me.
@@jdmangrich yes, which is claiming to be a woman. Referring to him as “she” is doing the same thing
@@BelieveMontana I wouldn’t be confused, because Robert is a man. If people were fooled by his costume, then maybe they’d be confused, but it would still be correct to refer to him as a man, because that’s what he is. There’s nothing unreasonable about that
This, ladies and gentlemen, is how we conduct a civil discourse...
@ Eric Cochrane / Completely agree Eric. Unfortunately a very rare thing isn’t it?
@@joeangell5652 far too rare.
The problem with conversations like these are they don't push the agenda very well.
Not a conversation.
It is a show.
@@fightthezionistsuprenazi7026 Just because it's on a show doesn't mean the conversation isn't civil.
The most agreeable disagreement I've ever seen
Welcome to the civilized world. Rarely spotted on cable television
Also called "agree to disagree" a rare phenomenon these days, sadly.
they were mostly agreeing than disagreeing
That’s the point! They agree! That’s a discussion! Based on civilized facts and common sense.
*I DISAGREE*
This wasn't a debate, it's a civil discussion. Our nation needs more people that can discuss issues like adults without breaking into a fight.
i love Blair, a transwomen that actually looks, talks and acts like a biological women and isnt a parody of us biological women. first time i watched her i didnt even know she was a transwomen...this mockery of a woman that is this dylan mulvaney or whatever his name is a total shame to even remotedly call himself a women he is a sad joke....Blair if every transwomen was like you there would be no issue to talk about....love you, you are super smart interesting and beautiful...
Exactly. Blaire is a woman. She's not pretending to be one. Dylan, on the other hand, is making a whole mockery of us and it's sickening.
@@tropicalsundaeBlaire is a transwoman not a woman. Even Blaire herself will tell you that. She respects the differences and doesn't live in fantasy land. I 100% agree on everything you said about Dylan
She is a woman she is a transwoman but she is not a biological woman both are women and we all know there are differences but she is a woman just not a biological woman. Thats just my point of view dont lynch me please.@@phoenixforce6595
Dylan is repulsive.
@@phoenixforce6595Yes! I just watched a video the other day when she can’t relate to womanhood but only calls herself trans woman.
This is the most civil debate I have ever seen on this topic. Both sides actually explained their point of view in a respectful way. They were able to find where they agreed and understand where they differ.
Didn't feel like a debate. They're just 'friends comparing notes'. "Hey what do you got there? Ooo I got it a bit different. Ah ok, that's cool too."
I love this because often one person from a group will blow it out of context and make everyone in the group look bad but this was just to people talking about what they agree and trying to understand the other side.
BOBBY LOVE - I truly think it's because neither have far right or leftist views. Blaire was respectful of him and understood the facts and the truth of his views and Ben was just objectively speaking the facts and the truth as he always does. Far right or leftist just like any extremists with any views can't accept a different view other than their own. I agree with Dr. Jordan Peterson on his stance on compelled speech. My sister is considering going through a transition and I love her to death and have her back 100% and have no problems with what she chooses for herself. All I want is for her to examine all the risks and all the facts before she makes a decision that important. I won't however be compelled or forced to suspend reality, truth or facts and betray myself for the sake of someone's feelings or arbitrary demands. If I am asked politely to accommodate someone, I would seriously consider it because I was respectfully asked. As long as I am free to choose, I'd be more open and willing to do so.
This video and these types of conversations could mend many fences and build bridges of understanding between those with opposing views. But if you're an extremist or any kind of "ist-ist" than there is no way but their way and no view but their view and nobody gets anywhere with that kind of attitude or ideology.
CZcams is showing and proving my point by showing that they have extremist views on the topic by demonetizing this video and not allowing any exchange of ideas even if it is respectful. Respect and open mindedness is the core root to a civil compromise between all sides of the spectrum. Platforms like CZcams, Google and Fakebook don't want views opposing their puppet master's which makes their far leftist views and agenda very transparent and disturbing with their censorship of free speech and expression.
Right it was more like an civil, inteligent conversation!
BOBBY LOVE
Ben is pretty civil with Sam Harris and a lot of atheist stuff too.
As much as i dont like this obsession with pronouns, how hard is it to call a person like Blair a she? Even if you know she was born a male, what's the point?
MrM Rus: I didn't realize Blair was born a man until today. The few times I have watched you channel it never occurred to me that she was anything other than a very attractive woman with a reasonable point of view. Frankly it is not my business that she has or has not done privately, I am just happy to listen and evaluate the content of the discussion. I will address people as I see them.
problems the zee, zir,ze,zit and whatnot.not the he and she
@@kazzana9013 Bruh you can see the Adam's apple lmao
Klai u literally can’t???
Grammy Norma yeah
I can't imagine why else it would get demonetized.. Other than the fact that you 2 had a realistic honest conversation and there was no guilt tripping..
She talked to two conservatives and then was immediately demonetized. Weird. CZcams couldn't possibly have a political agenda, right?
It's not like they ever banned a sitting president or anything.
You identified the problem; CZcams doesn't want civility; they just want as much venom and demonization of conservatives as possible to support the super far left woke agenda. So when a prominent transsexual is willing to have an intellectually based conversation with someone who is portrayed by the super far left woke agenda as a nazi, they're very uncomfortable with it. If others follow that example, it could dramatically reduce the unnecessary tension in society these days.
The activists naritive is to destroy. The activists did not like this! I do, I watch both of you often! ❤ I was so excited to see it! Makes sense though, best conversation I've ever "witnessed". Ty let's see more!
This is why i respect the the hell out of you blaire. You are willing to have a conversation instead lynching someone for their opinion. Imagine if the rest of the lgbt community had your mentality and others like you. People would actually take the time to listen and try to understand your position. you're proof of that. I'm not part of the lgbt community in anyway and normally don't want to get involved because my beliefs on the matter can well cause most people in the lgbt community to lose their collective shit, but i've never gave a fuck what people do. But i'll be damned if say my opinion on the matter because of how it's all to often weaponized against people outside the lgbt community for simply asking questions or just stating their side. If it weren't for you i'd never would have bothered to even attempt to understand because of how, sadly, more often then not i would have been met with animosity and hate...and a pink slip.
You help people understand instead of driving them out. I 100% believe you are the best thing to happen lgbt community rather know it or not. Keep being awesome you beautiful soul shinning in a world of bitterness and hate from both sides of the coin!
Eyo some of us are on a good way.
I agree with what you’re saying here but I am also not part of the 🏳️⚧️ Community (not directly, someone I love very much is trans tho), and maybe that’s why we feel this way. I to say that Blair is the best thing to happen to a community we are not part of would be slightly ignorant, no? My girlfriend has a trans son and I’m sure that neither of them would fully agree to everything Blair has to say. She has haters.
I really respect her views but I try to see all sides. But that is what makes Blair White so awesome! She tries to get people from all sides to talk to. Unfortunately there are a bunch of people that see these Great conversations as attacks.
Most of us are sensible . A tiny minority are just degenerate
A lot of us do share Blaires views
We don’t all get triggered 😂
If the the community had more Blairs and less like Dylan Mulvaney then we would not be in this mess to begin with
It's so refreshing to watch a debate with two educated individuals who have respect for each other and don't need to scream at each other
Blaire is dumb as a door nail wtf are you talking about?
Malachi Owens Elaborate that statement if you're able to share your wisdom
It was not really a debate. It was a discussion.
True, this is why I'm happy about debates like the one with Laci Green & Sargon at Mythcon. While not all go well, it's good to at least see some discussion on disagreements rather than passive aggressive videos.
cheesesucksass Exactly! So glad these two came together!
This is how a conversation is supposed to go. No yelling over each other. An actual conversation.
You don't understand though... She was trying to combat the "deep web"...
twbmagic it was mainly each other agreeing with the same points but it was really a milestone for Blaire
That's because blaire is right wing, she's used to being discriminated against and taking it.
twbmagic It’s so nice *sigh*
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I wish more convos were like this.
I'd hate be apart of your conversations.
I refer to someone as "she" or "he" according to how the person appears to me, regardless of their history. I couldn't refer to Blaire White as "he" or "him" because I feel like I'm dealing with a woman. It would feel incongruous. Sadly, if I'm dealing with person who's 6'3", muscular, broad-shouldered, deep-voiced wearing a dress and make-up, I'm going to feel like I'm dealing with a man, and I would probably just avoid gender pronouns with the person, which is not that hard to do. But this whole movement of "I'm a woman because I say I am" is nonsense, and making things harder for trans women who do the work and want to live inconspicuously as just another woman the world. The current "trans rights" activists make it look like all trans people are insane and intolerant. I'm not even going to start to comment here on the utterly destructive insanity of medical transition of non-adults, because that could be a book.
Perfectly said
I agree, I think the worst pronouns are they/them... those words literally mean more than one person or referring to someone in the third person plural term
Can we PLEASE get an updated conversation between you BOTH. Immense respect for you two.
GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS...I'm watching this now...Bravo....GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS GUYS...
Haha
Lol x'D
I watched that live and it is still painful to remember. Got figurative PTSD from that one. :P
One of the best videos by far !
ICONIC
He seems so satisfied to be speaking a rational person
This is a very civil debate between two reasonable men.
Hahaha I'm surprised no one's gone after you yet, Nutty
Nutty Berries
Lol 😂😂😂
To me, it’s not about politics, it’s about being a reasonable, human being
Boaz Johnson - Ben Shapiro satisfaction here is not the result of him speaking to a "rational" person, but to someone who agrees with his view. But honestly, Ben seems to get his greatest satisfaction when getting the upper hand in a debate with someone who opposes his belief.
People don't give Ben the chance to show he's actually a very kind and compassionate human, thanks 👍
But he's not "kind". That's what he was showing.
@@dat2rahow so?
Both of them have valid points. I respect both Ben and Blaire's opinions, although I personally agree more with Blaire.
because he buries any kindness under his bigotry and we aren't interested in playing devil's advocate
ME WHEN I WANT HIS VALIDATION💀
I think Blaire hit the nail on the head when talking about adoptive parents. In conventional social interactions, no one is going to bother with distinctions and keep calling them your adoptive dad, or your adoptive mom, they'll just say your mom or your dad. And specifically in this case, if someone wants to refer to your biological parents, they will specify it by calling them your biological parents, because in the scenario of adoption, your adoptive parents become sort of the norm and so for the sake of simplicity, when talking about your "parents", we would be talking about the adoptive parents, since 99% of conversations will involve them, but for the 1% of the conversations that refer to your biological parents, they will be specified so that it's not confused with the norm of who is typically thought of when someone just says "parents".
Same can be applied to trans people - there ARE scenarios in which you would have to specify that you are a trans woman, but for the sake of everyday social interactions, 99% of the time it would be more useful and less confusing to call you a woman with female pronouns. It's not to say that this makes you a biological woman (just as calling adoptive parents simply "parents" does not make them biological parents), but it is something that adheres to common sense in a social environment.
Exactly. Similarly for me, I have 2 younger siblings who are biologically my half-siblings because they have a different father than I do. But my mom married their father when I was only 4 and I never knew my biological father, so my earliest memories of any father are of him and I always called him dad and bonded with him as though he was my biological father. And likewise I bonded with and lived life with my younger siblings from their birth on into all of our adulthood as though we are full siblings even though we all know we are half-siblings. That objective truth however does not manifest in our realities or relationships, though. And if it comes up with acquaintances that we have different biological fathers and they refer to us as "half-siblings" we all are quick to acknowledge the technical truth of that but that we refer to each other (and truly see each other in a practical sense) as full siblings. And of course no one has ever insisted on continuing to call us half-siblings whenever they refer to us because that would be pedantic, rude, and unnecessary.
I understand why Ben feels the need to stick quite strictly to his refusal to refer to a trans person by their transitioned gender expression in any public forum, but I believe he and most reasonable everyday people wouldn't have much of a problem called a person who overtly and consistently for all practical intents and purposes presented as a different gender by those pronouns in day to day life.
What is this?! is... is this a civil debate? wow, it's a good watch.
Yeah basically 2 people
Is she republican, I can't see her as a dem.
@@macgyverc6157 yes she is
As far as I'm concerned, if you look male, I'll use male pronouns, if you look, female, Ill use female pronouns. If I get it wrong, politely correct me and I'll correct myself.
The only time Biological gender should EVER come up in conversation is...
- For anything medical, The main reason is due to some drugs not playing nice with hormone treatments. (Or if surgery is required, the surgeon needs to know if they should expect to find a uterus or not)
- Between couples, at the start of relationships, for obvious reasons.
- Competitive sports - This one is important and NEEDS some defined rules, For instance, a person who has spent 2 years on hormones (To change sex) build wise is going to be on par with a cis person of that sex whome is that height. (excluding bone density and that difference in VERY minor)
What Ben needs to understand, While I do see where he is coming from, There are many MANY people out there that WILL use this as an excuse to verbally assault trans people, These are the SAME people that are Racist and homophobic, they do it because they can and get away with making others feel like shit.
If it wasn't for those people, then no one would care.
100% agree
czcams.com/video/02FCYz8bOo8/video.html You might want to look at the two recent Rationality Rules videos. This one has a lot of accurate science summations after he made an initial video not understanding the entire body of science regarding transgender men specifically. I would be curious to hear if you make the same claim you did after seeing what the totality of the body of science says. The original study published in academia and which people how make claims that you just did usually cite as research did not pass the peer review test and has been discredited as having an agenda and not being an accurate representation.
Ben does understand that. What trans apologists don't understand is that they have become the very thing they fight against by implying that someone's life should be destroyed because they didn't use the correct pronouns via slip of tongue, or because biology and science dictate the outcome of a person's make up. Anyone can use any reason to discriminate and Trans discriminate against cis people with authoritarianism. Just because some dip shits who incorrectly discriminate against trans or anyone doesn't mean that now everyone is guilty until proven innocent. No one should discriminate against anyone period. We should all be treated the same.
yes exactlh
Verbal assault, oh no! Lmao, God forbid people make fun of you, what is this world coming too? Suck it up butter cup, this is the real world, quit your bitching and whining!!
If all trans people were as self aware, level headed and respectful as Blaire, there would be no contention towards the community at all.
I absolutely love that she understands what she biologically is, what can and cannot be changed, but most importantly, doesn't force herself on anyone.
I'm much like Ben in the pronoun department, but I have no issue referring to Blaire as "she" because she's gone through the difficult transition to get where she is, and at the end of the day, I know she'd still make "balls" jokes like she did on that Onicion vid 😂😂😂
She is where she is because she’s privileged and rich enough to make it happen, a lot of people suffering from gender dysphoria aren’t as privileged as she/he is and can’t have the treatment/surgeries that make them as passable as Blaire, yet Blaire thinks it’s okay to rip on them and tell them they’re not trans? That’s my problem with him/her.
@@blindfollower atleast make an effort.. If you don't have money for transition, atleast shave the beard off. Shaving set is not that expensive you know.
@@blindfollower what is this privilege that you're talking about? she made it clear on her video from half a year back titled, (Reacting to tiktokers who REALLY HATE ME) that she was raised in family on drugs basically had to support and work for herself and her own transition surgery and to work til this day. the only people (that i know of) she excludes of being trans are minors from my understanding.
@IDEK Blaire is a biological man just as the rest of the tran-speople she attacks are. it concerns me just as much as it concerns you.
@@blindfollower Bro, actually watch her vids. She came from near-poverty, and had a pretty shitty upbringing. She's not privileged - she earned the pennies needed to transition.
What a wonderful conversation! Thank you to both of you for RESPECTFULLY having a discussion and hearing each other out.
This just goes to show what can be achieved when we have a logical, calm discussion.
Here's why I love Blair:
1: She understands the importance of the "TRANS" within transgender. She had a goal she worked towards and went through her own hell to get there. It also makes it much easier to call her a "her" when she makes efforts to be presentable as a her
2: She doesn't believe the law or social rules revolve around her choices. She doesn't put herself on a pedestal or presume she's special because she transitioned
Indeed
He.
@@SuperHunKing If you see her at a random stop anywhere, you'd assume she was a "she" and move on. Stop trying to be special...
HONNESTLY!
I agree, I saw the debate on the Rubin show, when she had the debate with Candace Owen's, and Candace said, you're a grown man, and Blaire seemed so un-phased and didn't care. Blaire has a level head.
Blaire is like the first trans person I’ve seen to be civil about stuff like this, props to her!
King of Pop I didn't know that you were still alive
its a him , but yes he is civil and deserves respect as a human being
You should look up bailey jay on the approval matrix or amy schumer or jim norton's vice show.
HEY! I was just coming down to say she looks like micheal Jackson with that lighting and makup
amy schumer is a freaking idiot
So basically Ben is trying to ask Blaire to dinner in so many words... xD
haha
These are the kinds of conversations that we should be having. Blaire is a voice of reason.
It’s so funny that y’all are praising a civil conversation as if this isn’t normal 😂 get off of Twitter this is how normal people act
I mean not rlly... have you watched the news recently? Lmao
phanbandtrash yet again , social media everybody acts mad bold , no shocker . In real life in a face to face convo people don’t act as crazy . So being civil is normal and should be normal
Sky He i never said it shouldn’t be normal, it’s just that out of control arguments and lack of understanding are what’s generally seen on the media and in a lot of people
phanbandtrash it’s not what I see . The people I follow are people like Blaire that don’t act that way , there are many people like Blaire and Ben you choose what type of people you support and surround yourself with and don’t follow the bs
Sky He i never said I did follow these people lmao I just said I saw it. Also Ben loves to act/say a lot of reactionary dumb things too so I don’t rlly think he’s an exemplary person to pick out. He was calm in this conversation but he’s definitely done and said a lot of ignorant things.
To me, if someone looks like a woman I will call her "She etc". If someone looks like a man, 'He etc".
EXACTLY
Facts
Is not that hard, right?
Haha, that's a little dangerous though. I and peeps above get what you mean, but that statement can rightfully offend people (I'm not only talking about transgender).
I live in Canada though, so I gotta avoid being fined by trying to conform (though it's disturbing to try). Personally, I will always disagree though. I personally see transgender males and females as either feminine males or masculine females.
Looks can be deceiving. Nor will I deceive myself and other people by calling a man a woman and a woman a man because they dont want to be what they are from Birth.
These conversations need to happen A LOT more!
i'd pay money to see blaire and ben just talk on camera again.
This was so lovely and short and amazingly civil, if Blaire was having this conversation with some other CZcamsr they would almost certainly be raising their voice, throwing around buzzwords, and disregarding Blaire's arguments. But this was amazing. An argument that would take 45 minutes with anyone else was cut by two thirds here and it's so refreshing.
That's because Ben is the King of Cool
Aina, hmmm true good point
And vice versa! This is a good moment!!
Using “he” for Blaire is a chore 😭😭
J E R E M I A H because of what she has done to herself mate, no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate
@@prankish5140 sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself
@@thefaeriemerchant5826 "...no shame in calling her what she wishes to be called mate....".
That's okay for those reality deniers who are fine with that. But what about those who are not ? Why not describe him for what he actually is....a highly effeminate homosexual who has a "boyfriend" ?
@@jeremiah1269 "...sorry what's the pronoun of a cow again ummmm moo mooimself...".
lol !
But she isn't a cow .
Thanks Blaire, I've always respect Trans women like you. I must admit, I really lost my faith in this whole woke movement. Personally, I think they have put the Trans movement back in the dark ages. You're a breath of fresh air to see some sanity with Trans people again. I wish you lots of love and peace.
Love Blaire & how she debates in a way that actually has a chance to change minds
Technically, she's not debating (your truth against mine) she's having a dialog (your truth plus mine)
@@MateoKupstysChica yeah but your truth + mine is still a good way to change someone's mind about the smaller things. Like him calling her a woman she/her after initially being clear he'd only refer to Blair or people like her by their name or their chosen pronouns yknow. He still changed in that area
I'm of the opinion that Blaire should be called "her" for a simple reason: Blaire looks like a woman. That's what pronouns are meant to be used for, to quickly identify a person without any interaction to assess their history or identity. So, I'm of Blaire's opinion, base it on secondary sex characteristics for the sake of simplicity and ease of conveyance.
Xhesi L exactly. Practicality. So, if you see someone who looks female are you going to approach said person and ask if their biologically so? No, you call her a she. If you know she's a trans woman and be a dick about it, by all means, do it. Free country till it becomes Canada lolz.
Xhesi L Blair frequently identifies herself as a trans woman. This label ensures that any relevant information that might be concealed by her behavior, dress or exterior remodeling of her meatsuit (body) are conveyed quickly and effectively. As reality has not be redefined by her just referring to herself as a woman, I have no issues respecting her preference I use female pronouns.
Basically if you are an biological male and want to live as a female, don’t say you’Re a woman, that isn’t true. You want to live as a woman and be treated as one, ie be a trans woman.
@@reverendrico5631whats your point. If a person treats a transwoman as a woman so then its a woman. Whats so confusing in this . A transwoman doesn't transition into a woman to be called he or to be treated like men. So its a woman
This was on autoplay, so I didn't see who was in it. You saying "Hey Ben, how are you?" Freaked me out at first
Ben Walters 😂😂😂 actually really funny
Heheh 😆
Lmao
It took me a second but I accidentally blurted out laughing when I noticed the channel name and figured it out
That's hilarious😂
It brings me great joy to see people discuss things in a civil manner and truly understand each other and respect each other. What a shining example.
This was a refreshing video to watch. Not something I would call a debate but more of an intelligent adult conversation. Thanks to both of you.
One thing I like about Blaire is she's self aware. She lives her life, but at the same time she's realistic when it comes to the real world. She's respectful and allow space for someone to have their beliefs without name calling. I admire that she's a logical person, and does not allow herself to be delusional. She knows she was born male and that will never change, but her appearance is female. And she doesn't impose unreasonable pronouns on others.
Ben is not the villain people are trying to make him out to be. It is refreshing these days to see someone speak their mind without the fear of being called names.
Its kind of sad that non binary people have ruined the trans cause which makes people like Ben have to stay rigid in his use of pronouns to fight against the f*ckery of a million gender pronouns these people want to compel us to say. Blair looks like a woman and she transitioned to blend into society so that world would automatically perceive her as female. And if she wasn't a youtuber she would always be referred to as female since she looks like one. I agree with Ben on his stance but I still feel bad for Blair when he said he would refer to her as a he if he were to write an article.
>she
HE
The militant transsexual movement chooses the wrong battles, pronouns being a major example. What we should be doing is promoting tolerance, acceptance, and understanding of transsexuals. By nit picking over pronouns, it makes people feel like they're walking on eggshells; like they've lives will be ruined if they say one wrong word. That's extremely counter productive. And I don't think that most transsexuals care that much about pronouns; I think that's fueled by white liberals who exploit transsexuals and other designated victim groups for political gain.
Exactly!!
This isn't a Debate. This is a rational set of discussions held at a level of civility you dont get to see much.
Kudos to both parties
Thats exactly what a debate is supposed to be. Whats commonplace today is far from a real debate.
Typically debates are held by those with wider and more opposing views points, but this was a good clarifying conversation by both, yes
@@ChaoticNeutralMatt
The overall point was to make it known, That when you're civil and Decent in any conversation. It goes better. And sometimes morphs from being something on the edge of harsh words, to a civil dialogue that encourages growth for both parties.
Something we desperately need more of across the board.
I know you see how most other Debates go regardless of topic.
I understand why you might say this but I still think we should call it a debate. A debate is simply a discussion in which parties put forward differing points of view. They certainly agreed on a lot but are still talking from different world views and putting forward different perspectives. The fact that it was a civil discussion does not stop it from being a debate.
@@teenagesatanworship
I think you misunderstood the point of me highlighting that bit of facts about the nature of this conversation/debate.
The point was to highlight how "Normal" debates go versus what we see here.
Not a redefining of the word.
I love both these people.. as a trans woman i think Mr. Shapiro gets a bad rap from people thinking he hates of people. I have always found him educated and respectful. I worry about the younger generations is quick to change the definitions of words to suite them and get mad if we don’t like to conform. I am very aware of being a biological man but am a trans woman. .i agree with Blair and always have as well as Ben. I would be friends with these people on any day.
This is old, but my first time watching it. That was fun to watch! Really interesting, so respectful and just great to talk about this stuff with such civility and respect.
Blaire is a good listener. She listens, she thinks, and answers carefully.
The reason Ben shapiro says facts don't care about feelings is that he is giving the reason he might sound rude. While some facts might offend people he says that quote to show that he has nothing personal against them but that it's just the facts.
This didn't even seem like a debate
You mean he 👀
Same with ben
Charles Jefferson nope she
True
He is male
But truefully I forget sometimes because he looks like a real female.
Ben Shapiro ENJOYS a respectful conversation with Blaire White.
Edit: thanks for the +1k likes!
I'll call him Blake white
He's too bored, he's fighting so hard not to fall asleep.
KOJAK BRADDY Why would you call Ben that?
@@mpiugdtyhgffijfcxp3613 not Ben , Blair ,. Since Blair is really a man ,
KOJAK BRADDY no she’s not
Blaire you really let him get away with so many half truths. I wish you had held his feet to the fire.
This was a civil, informative, and entertaining discussion. A rarity these days. Bravo to both of you.
I personally will call trans women, women/she/her etc because it's just a lot easier in the real world. On top of that if a trans women looks like blaire you'd have to be absurd to call her anything other than she/her because physically she looks like a beautiful woman and that's how she truly feels. So i don't see the big deal over using those pronouns, I see where Ben is coming from but it just does not correlate in real world applications like blaire said. Well done blaire!
That's how it should be.
Honestly i agree
If we allow bias perceptions to dictate language then you open the door for people to misidentify other shit based on their bias perception. We should not go hijacking established sex based terms to describe humans who do not meet the criteria. By this logic, whatever appears to be a racist act based on stereotypes should be acknowledged as a racist act.
The biggest issue I have is the "they/them" thing and trans people completely trying to control the narrative. I don't like that.
I'm gonna call a transgender person their pronoun if they actually look like the gender they change to. I'm not calling a dude in a dress a "her", they're clearly not putting any effort, why should I? It may sound selfish but there are limits to what you can expect of people.
This was much better and more controlled than the Onision debate
I y a n a because they were listening to each other witch and Blair is to blame a little on this as well. The Onision one was just attacking the otjer person
If by debate, you mean an unmoderated shouting match, yes, I agree.
I y a n a But not nearly as hilarious lol.
Ben is smart while onision is manipulative
A guy who wrote two books by age 20 and had a law degree in his early twenties versus..... Onisioin... hmmm
I'm adopted. And the comparison of adoption to transitioning, in my opinion is completely misplaced. And Shapiro is wrong. Being a parent has essentially very little to with the biological lineage and everything to so with the raising of the child
Blair is such a special person and I respect her so so much. I really wish she were representing the trans community because she’s so calm and grounded and I think she would get through to a lot more people.
She is representing them, since she is trans.
I’m a conservative Christian and student of theology and church history. This is the first time I’ve been able to relate to and consider a transgender point of view in a reasonable discussion.
I can tell you Blaire actually makes me hopeful that a common ground can be found for a civil dialogue between trans-people and conservatives.
It’s incredibly refreshing to see two people from different sides of this issue allow one another the freedom to speak openly without fear of offense, and without attacking each other, and then watch a healthy discussion blossom that has the potential to change hearts and minds.
Thank you to Blaire and Ben for this video.
Agreed, I'm a Christian conservative as well and a fan of both Blaire and Ben. It's nice to have conservatives from all walks of life and these two embody the beauty of dialogue and discourse.
@Chuck Basher Yeah, she's right leaning/conservative/libertarian which is an anomaly in the LGBTQ community!
Bryant E Yes and no. Being empathetic to opposing arguments doesn’t make you necessarily conservative nor liberal. She primarily criticizes trans issues, but that’s coming from someone who’s IN that community, and generally left-leaning because of it (maybe not, but she hasn’t really discussed social issues outside of the LGBT community so we can’t be sure). However, her political leanings aren’t even that important. I think what IS important is that Christians and more conservative types like OP and those who fall under a more liberal slant like myself can open up a productive discussion about a sensitive topic. Empathy is the first key to progress.
@@devinodriscoll I agree, being empathetic to discussion and discourse are supremely important- especially in this day and age when the far left has taken control of the narrative on various issues. Blaire and Ben have demonstrated this well, and they are a good example of the kinds of people who appreciate civil discourse. As many have said, one of the main differences between liberals (in the classical sense) and leftists is that liberals tend to welcome these discussions, whereas leftists tend to discourage it!
Same!
My problem isn't calling a trans man/woman a he/she, it's when they try to force these wierd new made up pronouns on you like "Ze"
Pickle Rick luckily those dumb trends died quicly
that's not a "made up pronoun", it's gramatically correct to use it.
Louise Belcher
I think it's clunky to use "they" but at least it fits into normal language better "ze" or any other variation. I know a non-binary person and it is pretty easy to use "they".
Being called “ze” was literally the most extra thing conservatives pushed this type of pronoun agenda to hurt trans people
i agree
Id love to see them discuss again! I feel like they can touch on so many topics with a level of depth and civility we rarely see.
Sorry Ben, gotta disagree with you for once.
If the person passes as a woman and you would only know the person was not born female is if you were told, then go with female pronouns.
No
The "sorry go ahead" from Ben was such a wtf moment for me hahahaha
I absolutely live for the amount of respect and admiration on both sides of this debate
Hahaha fr
Same
Ben is not who "they" told you he is.
@@ryantiller5624 I'm honestly finding that out now watching him in a few interviews, because I don't keep up with American politics closely enough to have actually heard him speaking publicly. The way leftist media has completely demonized him is impressive.
When Ben talks slower it means he's enjoying the conversation and feels respected.
@XDranzer000 some of namjoon biased ppl are reasonable like that lol
Indeed, he is in his safe space where he knows he is not going to be confronted with facts and logic and is not threatened and therefore doesn't have to pretend to be smart. He can be his actual self, confidently dumb.
@Boop I thought the same 🤣
@@andrewmaderer1989 so...how is he dumb? show an example where someone he is debating actually beat him with facts and logic
@@walkingdead3097 fr tho, lol
Love to see an updated interview
Best debate I've ever seen. Very respectful and no screaming involved. Great job to both Blaire and Ben.
Good debate. At first I was afraid to watch it because I don't like seeing two people I truly like and respect go at each other but I am glad I did. It proves to me that my like and respect for these two are truly well placed.
Exactly the same feeling here - i agree with both of their ideas in this conversation
yes !! precisely !! but this was a lovely conversation
Conservative Woman - My thoughts exactly.
Conservative Woman same!!
Same
I'm 57 years old. For me, I don't see any problem with politely calling someone a she if she prefers to be called thus, (even if I think she is a he). I honestly don't see the problem. It's just the nice thing to do.
I draw the line at mandating it through laws...
Yes, it should be about politeness. And I totally agree about the legal aspect of it. There doesn't need to a law requiring people to use a particular pronoun. However, while we should definitely give people latitude if and when they make a mistake in the pronoun used, this extension of latitude shouldn't be used as a shield for malicious intent. There should always be consideration of context.
Honest question: how do you feel about trans people using the bathrooms/locker rooms of their chosen gender?
You morons have too much of a fixation on where people go to take a shit. Seek help.
Jeffrey Dean But that's not reality, you don't go up to every person and ask what gender would they like to be called. Also some do not want to be called he or she which could be even more confusing hence the reason why Ben said he would ask for the person's name which people usually do.
I think you should call people what you want to call people. That's it. You don't get to decide which words i use. I don't get to decide which words you use.
Blaire White is the first trans CZcamsr I've respected as a person, she is so responsible and smart
I am a man btw this is my girlfriends CZcams account
ive only just started watching you, and youre honestly the biggest breath of fresh air. i love you being able to look at things objectivley, its so very important
if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, callin it a duck. if you don't wanna do that that's your choice, and if someone politely asks me to call them something I will oblige but I wont call you made up pronouns. that's where my niceness ends
Acheron Parthenopaeus CALL ME BY MY PRONOUNS THEY/THEM/ZE/ZER/PAPAYA/AUTISTIC!!! (kidding I completely agree with you c:)
I probably would be willing to call someone a made up pronoun, because who cares, but don't expect me to always do so. Also keep them short.
I have used this line many times where I work. "I dont care what you want to be called, male or female...pick one and stick to it"
Not one of them looked like Blair White, but all wanted to be called female...what a world.
Until that Duck pulls it's pants down and you find out it's a man baby yea!
Agreed. I think most logical people would agree.
I think as a straight white conservative male that blair is fundamentally right,why not just be nice?the only issue I have is with the government compelling me to use certain forms of speech.
Thats a slippery slope in my opinion.i have no problem referring to people in the fashion that they prefer.
Its not a big deal or that difficult to just be nice..
michael young I’m the same as you thank you 🙏. I’ve always wondered why it’s so difficult
EXACTLY.
I totally argee.
It makes no sense to me to be rude to some oneelse.
I have been misgendered many many times. I have never gotten all pissy about it. Meh.. whatever..
Btw I am a biological male, with long blonde hair and do have pierced ears, slightly feminine features. Still don't care, no reason to be rude when someone has made a mistake, and also no reason to be rude and not call a she a she and a he a he.
I personally think words a lot of power, ans after being repeated something over and over, it is ingrained into someome's mind. From there it would be very easy for one to forget that fundementally they are truly what they used to be and involve themselves in a situation which would cause trouble. For example a trans women is stronger than a biological women and if the trans woman hits the bio woman out of a sudden anger, that could be the end of someone.
@nooope __, If you looked like a woman, I would call you a woman.. If you looked like a man, I would call you a man..
If you looked like a woman but I found out you were a man, I would call you a man so not to cause confusion in my head.. No hate
Discovering your channel has brought so much education and eye opening moments to me. This was a respectable exchange between two intellectuals talking about a heavily debated topic. When I watched my first video on Blaire’s channel (a few days ago) I was immediately smitten but I also had no idea she was trans. I saw a video and just clicked. Happy to have landed here
I love you both and how well spoken you each are. It was such a civil conversation and a breath of fresh air to watch.
Blair is so bad at being a guy, I can't imagine calling her a 'he' xD
MultiTarded her jugs too
It's a he
Mr. Joshua She’s hot, we know
@@imlivinglikejimmorrison5562 ..that's a he. Just because you put on a pound of makeup, grow your hair out, and get a shit ton of plastic surgery, doesn't magically turn you into a woman. Blair is what you would call a " feminized man "
Mr. Joshua Yes, She’s so beautiful ❤️ inside and out ❤️😘..
As someone who is adopted, when around other people and asked about my parents, I say "my parents are" not "my adopted parents are" Lmao. If I tell someone I am adopted and they ask well where are your "adopted parents", I say Yes I am adopted, my parents are over there." Like does this make sense to anyone else than me? Yall understand what I am saying?
As most people would. He's stating that there is a difference between adopted and biological. You're not any less their kid for that nor are they any less of a parent, it's just a fact that they didn't create you from their own DNA.
Well that's another issue for debate
I'm adopted and the people who adopted me became abusive and neglectful the split second I showed signs of being lgbt, so no I'd never refer to them as anything but adoptive, is never accept their kind as family
@@FrancineL81 yeah I think it's different in that sense. If you choose to call the adoptive, your choice, but you want to just call them your parents there is no harm.
@@FrancineL81 im sorry I hope you got away from them without too much pain
@@mysmirandam.6618 thanks.
got a few permanent emotional scars but havent seen them in about 20 years so mostly moved on
Ben is married to a doctor. What pronouns does his wife call trans people?
This is one of the most productive conversations on pronouns I've ever seen! Amazing what we can accomplish when we sit down with fairly open minds from both sides. Superb.
I think Ben is right when he says that it depends: like in her case she looks like a woman, but the bigger problem comes when people get offended for calling them the wrong pronoun...and they haven’t undergone any physical or hormonal treatments/transformations.
yeah but I really like how even though he wouldn’t generally call a trans person by their preferred pronouns he understands that it’s not nice to keep on referring to them as their biological gender because that might upset them and pays special attention to just call them by their preferred name. If everyone who had the same belief Ben did on this issue and approached things the same way he does it really wouldn’t be an issue
honestly,I agree. If there’s a trans woman who hasn’t gone through surgery or started any hormones and you call her by he/him pronouns but then she’ll correct you and you start using she/her pronouns. The problem is when regardless of what ppl have been told, they continue to use he/him pronouns because they simply don’t care.
and bc they haven’t transitioned you would not know that they go by other pronouns. it’s fine to correct someone about your pronouns but you shouldn’t be rude about it ✌️
If your brain instinctively comes up with a pronoun, use it, that's my rule.
Like for Blaire, nobody would call her a "he" and with most of the people who appear in her channel, it's all "he".
Daena Michelle yes, but they tell you those aren’t their pronouns, respect that and refer to them how they want to be referred to
I think it would be confusing to use “he” when addressing Blair, she looks completely female
He
I would also say she.
@@AnaGarcia-ri2jt can she get pregnant
@@aidengraves5594 so if a female can't get pregnant for whatever reason should be considered a he? That's pretty much you just said.
@@LonelyWolfe42 No... She was literally born a male that makes her a male
Lol Ben saying “ we can talk about creating new pronouns I’d be open to that” doubt he still feels this way today
THE MATURITY OF THIS CONVERSATION. How could this have been filmed when it was? Bravo to both you and Ben!
It's absolutely wonderful how respectful you two can be with each other, mad respect for you both
I agree although I'm one that thinks we have corrupted the meaning of the word "respect". I will be courteous to anyone on initial contact not because I respect them but out of self respect. My behaviour reflects who I am and I respect myself too much to treat others without showing them the courtesy they deserve and behaving as a mature adult should. To receive my respect, they must earn it, through their behaviour and the integrity of their character. I can even be courteous to someone that I have no respect for. As an example....I worked as a bartender for years. Every customer was afforded courteous service and deference. That does not mean I respect them.
I respect the way they conducted the dialogue and that goes a long way to earning my respect for them as human beings.
I don't want to appear to be nitpicking but it bothers me when someone expects respect when I know nothing about them. However, I wholeheartedly support the basic sentiments that you're trying to express in your comment.
he wouldnt even call her she, lol
Blaire takes a logical non reactive stance on this topic which is a huge breath of fresh air. So many people get instantly triggered and lose all ability to use logic.
Literally right around the 7min mark, you had him with the analogies you provided. Thank you for being a real person and having a real conversation without being a hurt by anything and everything.
If all Trans people conducted themselves like Blaire we would not have the absurdity we do today.
Blaire is absurd
@@KolchaksGhosthow?
@@myles3856 he’s a transvestite
Seeing these two talk like logical intelligent people is soo refreshing
Blaire is known for watering down activist rage to be more palatable to a conservative audience. It's much easier for people to accept a beautiful white woman who goes out of her way to tolerate transphobia than a poor, trans person who doesn't pass very well and doesn't care if you get triggered when they actually devote their time to talking about issues facing the trans community.
entertain7us14 Of course you find a way to spin it, you garbage can.
... that's called a 'different perspective', mate.
entertain7us14 I don't think she showing toleration for transphobia. I think she is showing that just because I might not be willing to say exactly what you want me to say when I don't believe it, is acceptable. She seemed very okay with idea that trans women and bio women are not the same and understands Ben's view on it. I believe it boils down to being able to accept that your way of thinking isn't the only way and just be someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean it's a sort of phobia.
Ok that's totally fair, but I've always had a problem with the "agree to disagree" point when the thing you're disagreeing with is whether or not a particular group of people should have their experiences acknowledged and validated by society.
When one person says "I believe trans people exist and are valid and we should call them whatever they ask to be called" and the other person says "I disagree", you're not having a polite disagreement over a trivial matter of opinion, you're having an existential conflict over whether or not to treat an entire group of people as equals.
I don't accept the view that someone as smart as Ben who has access to all the information he wants (ie he cant use ignorance as an excuse for his bigotry) holds an opinion that is just as valid and 'harmless' as that of an actual trans person or trans ally/activist.
People like Ben devalidate trans people's experiences, call them delusional, insinuate that they don't even exist. That's not really an inconsequential viewpoint - it's extremely harmful and feeds in to a society that is already extremely hostile to trans people and their identities.
I guess what I'm saying is that I have a problem with people who give bigoted, hateful, ignorant viewpoints and EQUAL seat at the table. I don't like those viewpoints to be normalised. Having a trans person debate a transphobe is inherently suggesting that both viewpoints are valid and up for debate. Obviously that doesn't have to happen when it's a balanced debate where he's called out for his bullshit, but when you 'agree to disagree' you're sending an extremely harmful message that transphobia, while you may disagree with it, is still an acceptable perspective and there's a protected place for it in public discourse.
Y’all acting like Ben and Blair have discovered a new way to speak
I wouldn’t expect less from these two
Ikr
Ben Shapiro might be a pretty shite person but this conversation is pretty nice, you don’t see it often
virixero that’s because he’s not. Shit person he’s a nice guy who has strong opinions that are misrepresented by the media.
I don't really agree with Ben,he is sometimes right and other times,he is but I just don't agree. But I'm glad he can be somewhat respectful [Some way not agree with the fact he's "respectful" so I add that somewhat.]
Kai. ixl He’s hardly ever disrespectful. He only gets that way when he’s consistently interrupted, or is disrespected by the person he’s debating.
I love the fact that you guys can sit here and have a great civil conversation!! Shows a lot!!
Blair White is probably the most female dude I’ve ever seen
If you look like a man, you’ll be called he/him and if you look like a woman you’ll be called she/her being realistic
But... a lot of biological woman look like men, tbh.
bruh
what if u were pre everything tho :/
Catra Meowmeow Still, you will be called either she/he depending on your appearance in public. It sucks for trans people that don’t pass well, but it’s just how society works.
TerbYern “it’s how societies work” it doesn’t suck it’s just how humans think. Everything is appearance based in this situation.
this was fantastic. It's sadly rare to see two people who don't fully agree be able to talk without it getting emotional and heated.
what did they disagree on? lol
We have lost the art of graceful disagreement. This is especially true in politics. I enjoy listening to people that don't share my views to stress test if I'm right or need to change course.
OMG so much yes. I do the same as well. I think we should constantly be questioning and testing ourselves. I try to keep an open mind and understand others who I disagree with, even those with views that upset me. I think if we tried to understand each other there would be less hate in the world.
Read "Principles" by Ray Dalio. He provides a guide on how to get really good at graceful disagreement.
That's because men are logical, if Blaire was a woman it would have been different
I cant believe how old this is and it hasn’t come up on my tube. Great convo. New sub. Again, cant believe you haven’t hit 100k yet and can connect with Ben. Lol we need more YOU.