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1973 Giants: The Most DYSFUNCTIONAL Team in NFL HISTORY
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2024
- On October 10, 1973, New York Giants quarterback Randy Johnson retired due to a lack of playing time. Somehow, he was named the starting quarterback two weeks later. This is the crazy story behind the entire Randy Johnson saga, and the dysfunction surrounding the 1973 Giants
Note that three parts around the middle of the video had to be removed due to copyright reasons. One part, around the 3:40 mark, just said that Johnson quit the team, and that while he wasn't quitting football entirely, he was open to finding a new team. One part, around the 4:30 mark, talked about how some teams had success with two quarterbacks (Dolphins with Morrall and Griese, Cowboys with Norton and Staubach), so in a weird way, he wasn't entirely wrong. A two-second clip around the 5:00 mark talked about how the Giants threatened to withhold his pay if he stayed away, and how Snead understood Johnson's frustrations
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Players on the 1973 New York Giants include:
Randy Johnson
Norm Snead
Vince Clements
Ron Johnson
Joe Orduna
Johnny Roland
Bob Grim
Don Herrmann
Rich Houston
Walt Love
Gary Ballman
Bob Tucker
Bart Buetow
Dick Enderle
John Hill
Bob Hyland
Greg Larson
Joe Taffoni
Doug Van Horn
Willie Young
Carter Campbell
Jack Gregory
Dan Goich
Larry Jacobson
John Mendenhall
Dave Tipton
Jim Files
Ron Hornsby
Pat Hughes
Brian Kelly
Brad Van Pelt
Otto Brown
Chuck Crist
Richmond Flowers
Honor Jackson
Spider Lockhart
Eldridge Small
Willie A. Williams
Tom Blanchard
Pete Gogolak
Alex Webster (coach)
Games the Giants played that season:
1973 Giants Oilers
1973 Giants Eagles
1973 Giants Browns
1973 Giants Packers
1973 Giants Redskins
1973 Giants Cowboys
1973 Giants Cardinals
1973 Giants Raiders
1973 Giants Rams
1973 Giants Vikings
This is how life went for Johnson after football, according to Wikipedia.
"Johnson spent the later years of his life in seclusion. Living in North Carolina, estranged from his family, destitute and reeling from injuries, he rented a small shed in the backyard of a couple's home. Haunted by failures he hid out only speaking to family on occasion, like holidays. He then eventually cut connection with family and most of the outside world. It was here in Brevard, North Carolina, he died at 65."
Sad.
Very sad.
Sometimes I think that's how my life's going to wind up, especially since all of society's now gone insane. Except that I can't see myself living to 50 let alone 65.
@Funky Tunk I agree. Problem is, modern society most emphatically does not.
@@DolFan316 Yeah, society has definitely gone and gotten itself confused and off-center.
He actually taught Elementary PE in Cartersville Ga for a number of years after retiring from football.
New drinking game, watch 10 of this channels videos. Take a shot every time he says "worse than spiking the ball every single down"
You better include “put into context”, too.
damn right. here's to Gator! *opens a can
Mr. Johnson. Passer rating. Zero. Point. Zero.
Dean Wormer
Man, if the '73 Giants were playing in the social media world of 2020/1 they'd be one of the biggest soap opera stories of our times. This is just some insanity right there.
Luckily there were other sports teams in NY doing well. The Knicks were defending NBA champs, the Rangers were one of the better teams in the NHL and the Mets were in the WS that year so a lot of the Giants problems got buried deep in the sports sections of the Times, News, Post et al..
@@andrewpadaetz5549 The 1970s were a terrible time for football in NY. The Jets weren't doing well either. In fact, they never had a winning record in the entire decade of the 70s. The Giants had two winning seasons, 1970 and '72. It's no wonder so many NY area NFL fans went to the Dolphins, Steelers and Cowboys even if they never lived in Miami, Pittsburgh or Dallas. To this day, the Giants and Jets are still paying for their 1970s foibles. When the Steelers or the Dolphins visit the Jets, fans of those teams outnumber the home team. Worse still, when the Cowboys visit the Giants, the Cowboy fans often outnumber Giants fans. As a Giants fans since 1958, this is disgraceful!
And the media today would be completely on Johnson's side and calling the team evil for hurting his feelings.
@@frdjr2527 NYC was an absolute cesspool at that time as well which didn't help any.
Got to be honest, I don't know how the city folks do it in a massive place like NYC. I know there's a ton to do, and alot of people too see but the place just seems so busy, everyone on top of everyone. The asphalt/cement jungle is just so bleak. 🤷♂️
Give me my two acres in the mountains of Northern Arizona any day!!
I guess the 1973 QB position was not a very Big Unit. I'll go now.
Bah-Dum-Tss... 🥁
😂😂😂...good one !! ..hope he didn't killi a bird with a 20 yard out route .
I get the joke but fail to see the actual humor, I will go now
@@teen_laqueefa Randy Johnson happened to be a QB on the team who would become the starting quarterback. Ironically, I get the references.
With Don Hermann, Bob Grim and Joe Morrison averaging 5.5 in the 40 on a fast day, I really don't understand how the receivers weren't getting open for snead and Johnson.
18 years of wandering in the wilderness between losing the 1963 title game and drafting Lawrence Taylor
Meh. My team's gone 21 seasons without a playoff win. Even the freaking BROWNS finally won a playoff game but not my team, nope.
@@DolFan316 Sounds like the Lions.....no wait, they haven 't won a playoff game in 29 years.
@Becks Bolero Well January 5, 1992 is 29+ years.
Once the Lions go 4-12-1 in 2021 the playoff wins drought will reach 30 years.
You mentioned at the start of this CZcams story (0:31) about the odyssey of the New York football Giants having to abandon Yankee Stadium (my hometown stadium) and went to the Yale Bowl and eventually, went to Shea Stadium (home of the New York Jets [at the time] and Mets [and for 1974 and 1975, the New York Yankees]) before crossing the Hudson River to New Jersey and finding a new home in East Rutherford in 1976. Can you do a story about that disastrous journey? I war too young to remember this and don't know too much about the football angle.
Great videos. Love to see you do one on the steagles
My dad was a lifelong Giants season ticket holder. I attended every home game of this season. Even as a 6 year old I could see how ridiculously bad things were with the Giants. Not just that the results on the field were bad, which every franchise goes through at times, but that the whole organization was in complete disarray. The Yale Bowl was not a professional-grade stadium. The front office was not modern in any sense (Andy Robustelli was sort of like the GM, and he did the job part-time while also running a travel agency.) Everyone involved was a hanger-on from the glory years. They may have been great players, but that didn't make them great coaches or executives or whatever. It was almost like for some reason they had let a semi-pro team into the NFL. Compared to an organization like the Cowboys, it wasn't even in the same universe. Even with the new stadium in 1976 nothing really changed until "the fumble" in 1978, when they cleaned house and brought in George Young as GM.
At 5:02 of this video, in the lower right corner is my uncle Ray Schoenke of the Redskins. Yes, I wrote Redskins. Those were good times following the Skins and living and dying with every game. "Everytime you lose, you die a little inside. Maybe not your whole inside, maybe just you liver". Thanks Coach Allen.
I remember he was a super liberal but loved Lombardi!
I remember the 1973 pre season where the Giants went 6-0 after they went 8-6 in the 1962 regular season . In their first regular season game in 1973 regular season against Houston the Giants won soundly and looked like a contender, but it was all downhill after that right into the 1980 season. The 1973 Giants are no longer the biggest mess! The 2021 Giants make the 1973 Giants look like a playoff team!
Hey Gator. Have you ever done any videos of the 1956,1986, 1990, 2007, or 2011 Giants football team?
love nfl stories never heard of from 70s 80s. could you do more videos on 60s & 50s?
Hoping to have another one out in the next few days. Finding the footage is the hard part with that
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 i love the old footage too, when i was a kid i would watch hilite shows that showed old b&w afl games & even 50s hilites.
you do great work.
may i request you do video on patriot's mac herron, 5'4 lead league 1 year in total yards, including punt returns, i think it was a record.
and could you do video why joe kapp released from vikings right after taking them to super bowl & the legal snafu that sent him to patriots before jim plunkett was drafted.
(i liked the way kapp threw wobblers & kapp even knocked out a cleveland brown linebacker who tried to tackle him & vikings purple uniforms & cold weather like vikings.)
I remember an interview Craig Morton gave where after he had been traded to the Giants (this was the next year, 1974) almost as soon as he got to the Giants and saw how things were going said to himself, "What the hell was I thinking??!!"
Morton was still in his prime but he just had no one around him, no offensive line, no running game and no receivers. He had taken the cowboys to a Superbowl and had outplayed Staubach to be the starter in Dallas. Three terrible seasons later he is taking the Broncos to the Superbowl, he just had been beat up so much his old team put a hurt on him, still he managed a couple more good seasons in Denver. If the Giants had given him something to play with they could have been a good team
Morton was an underrated QB. Got my Broncos to their first Super Bowl and had some good seasons in Denver after that.
Ol' Potato Chip told Dallas, play me or trade me. That got you traded in Dallas.
@@r.g.o3879 I heard Morton literally threw that Super Bowl because he was in trouble with the IRS and needed money.
@@DolFan316 it’s funny you say that because I thought I heard the same thing years ago
They were 6-0 in the preseason and the media was talking SB and they won easily in 1973 opener 34-14 against the Oilers at Yankee Stadium. My late Dad and Brother went to the game.
I went the next week with my Cousin as Dad was out of town in the last game at Yankee Stadium and Gogolak tied the game 23-23 at the end of the game.
Game 3 Ron Johnson was injured and we lost 12-10 and game 4 the first in the Yale Bowl we lost on a last second field goal 16-14 to the Packers and the team fell apart.
The 6-0 pre season became a 2-11-1 year and Coach Alex Webster resigned!
Lifelong giant fan who was away at college during this time frame thankfully and due to inhaling a lot of marijuana my memory of this horrible time is very hazy. I remember the horrid years before that with the goodbye Allie chants though.
You can't fault him for confidence. His attitude is exactly what you want. Unfortunately the skills didn't match his confidence.
I remember that year well; I was high school senior. Watched the giants lose so much, I thought it was just a regular part of the game. The jets sucked, though, too. For years, zero decent football in NYC.
I love your vids. It the editing in this one is designed to cause insanity
Unfortunately this one was out of my control. Explained it in the description. The upload when it first came out was fine. Then, the NFL manually copyright claimed the video, despite it falling under fair use (it was a shot of Yankee Stadium). Had to remove it so that it could be shown again
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 that’s so dumb. Don’t they realize this is free advertising for them and that you are almost certainly creating new fans? Oh well. You still do a great job and are an excellent story teller. See you in the next one.
Intereatingly, the Offensive Coordinator on the '73 Giants was Joe Walton, who a decade later would become the Jets head coach.
Jason Garrett's father was the Giants D.C. at that time...
Like many of The Giants coaching, scouting and front office staff Walton played for The Giants. They were known as Mara U. The "beloved" owner Wellington Mara was loyal to his former players. He helped them get jobs on Wall Street or in other business ventures. The growing TV sports industry was littered with ex-Giants. Gifford, Sumerall, Rote and Derogatis. Others were on the football staff, unfortunately the two from that tree that got away where named Lombardi and Landry. The revitalization of The Giants and the restoration of Wellington Mara's legacy began with Pete Rozell's intervention and Rozell naming George Young as Giants GM.
Howard Cosell, in his book "I Never Played the Game," commented that Walton had taken the best group of athletes in the NFL "and turned them into nothing. Another brilliant coaching mind."
Man my team has a odd history
I remember seeing Randy in 1975,coming in for a 4th quarter mop up role for the Redskins during a late season Saturday afternoon game in Dallas. He would have his chinstrap un buckled until he walked under center and then strapped it on. He would immediately unbuckle his chinstrap when the play ended and he walked to the huddle.
Exactly the same thing Brett Farve did
Didn't Jeff George do that too?
I remember that team. There were, as you mention, two Johnsons on the team. Randy Johnson and running back Ron Johnson.
Now, since the merger each player in the NFL has his name on his back. So what did the Giants do?
Johnson & Johnson? No, that could confuse the fans. They might not know which Johnson it was.
So, when multiple players have the same last name, teams usually put the first initial before the last name.
But with Ron Johnson and Randy Johnson, they would both have R. Johnson on their back and the confusion wouldn't be resolved.
So, how about the first two letters? Ra. Johnson and Ro. Johnson. That works, but look at the clip at 8:22, Randy Johnson has R. Johnson on his back.
I remember seeing box scores with Ra. Johnson and Ro. Johnson, but it appears the Giants left the ambiguity.
Years later when the Los Angeles Rams had both Jack Youngblood and Jim Youngblood on their roster, they both wore their entire names on their back.
If you can find footage with Ra. Johnson and Ro. Johnson on the back of their jerseys, I'd like to see it, but in the footage provided here, all I saw was R. Johnson.
Getting Arnsparger, for the next three years, from the Dolphins didn't improve the team; were just as awful, but he switched them to a 3-4, and the linebacker play improved
i was 14 and was a giants fan...
as bad as this was we still had not gotten to craig morten, jerry goldstein or joe pisarcik yet.
i’m proud to be giants fan...but it certainly was tough in the late 60’s and the seventies...
go giants...!!!
Funny thing is, Morton was actually pretty good everywhere else he went 😂
@@dibslin985 I wouldn't exactly say "pretty good". More like "not horrible".
Add Randy Dean to the list of failed QBs. He ran better than he threw. I was also 14 in 1973. After watching those guys that’s why I was so impressed when I saw Simms as a rookie, he could actually throw spirals with zip on them!
Randy Johnson was in one of the first packs of football cards I bought, which were from this season, so he has a place in my nostalgia zone as do all the players from that handful of cards. Sorry to hear about his sad later years. RIP
I got RJ Topps card too.
Only reason Morrall played for the '72 Fins was that Griese broke an ankle in week 5. Shula had picked up his old Colts QB just for insurance purposes but had to go to him with Griese hurt. Worked out pretty well but it was out of necessity.
He also led the Colts to a 13-1 record in '68 as a back up. Both were after the Giants traded him and got nothing.
Earl Morrall was the Giants QB from 1965-67. He was traded to the Giants in 1965 and was immediately the starter. In the middle of the 1966 season he broke his wrist and was out for the season. In 1967, the Giants traded for Fran Tarkenton and Morrall was benched. In '68, the Giants released him and the Colts picked him up for a mere $100.
@@frdjr2527 They traded Morrall for Butch Wilson, a TE that caught 14 passes in 2 seasons. Craig Morton trades to and from the Giants, about 10 years later, were just as bad.
@@joeshmoe7789 That's probably why I don't remember Butch Wilson!
@@frdjr2527 Only Butch Wilson play I've even heard of was a play in Week 1 of 1969 when he caught a deflected pass to keep a final drive alive against the Vikings in a game the Giants would win 24-23 on a Tarkenton TD pass to Don Herrmann with 59 seconds left.
Oh, and it gets worse: realizing they DID need veteran leadership, in the 1974 season, the Giants traded their first-round draft pick in 1975 and second-round pick in 1976 to their rival, the Dallas Cowboys, to get QB Craig Morton (who had lost the starting job to Roger Staubach). Who did the Cowboys pick with the second pick in the 1975 draft? None other than DT and linebacker Randy White, who went on to play in three Super Bowls and numerous postseason games, only becoming one of the best players the Cowboys had up to that point.
Oops, Giants...
As a nyg fan I would never ever trade with dallas.
I’m surprised Randy Johnson did so poorly with the Falcons. After all, his job there was throwing the ball to birds.
Those birds though, I've noticed they don't always use both flaps when catching the ball. They try to be fancy, so the ball ends up flying away.
2:45 for the trademark saying 😁👍
How do you not have a shirt that say 'worse than spiking the ball on every down'
www.jg9shop.com/listing/39-6-spike?product=1303 We do. Going to add some more merch along those lines in the coming weeks, but we do have a 39.6 passer rating shirt
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 nice just a 39.6 passer rating shirt id wear. Never bought any youtubers merch yet but yours could easily be the cirst
@@jbj7599 I'll have a 39.6 without the words on it launching tomorrow. I'll send you the link when it's up
wow I remember this team, 6-0 in the pre-season, I think?
Using a ball control short passing offense in 1972, Norm Snead led the NFC in passing but in 1973 they got away from the short passing game and Snead had a weak arm and became a pick machine. We used to say get aload of Norm Snead's 20 yard bomb!
It was ridiculous as he threw 22 picks and only 7 tds and totally sucked!
That was Norm Snead, a fine year and then 3 crappy years.
There’s a clip of Howard Cosell dramatically pronouncing, “The New York Giants are an ab-so-lute ca-tas-tro-phe!” It’s probably from 1973, or maybe 1974 (2-12).
0.0 reminds me of blutarsky's GPA at Faber college.
Johnson was correct when he said that he had nothing to apologise for. He forced the team to give him his shot.
Of course, he wasn't talented enough to capitalise on the opportunity. But for making his move at the right time in light of the team's weakness at the position, and for causing the team to give in, he should be praised.
That's one way to look at it. Another way would be that he threw a hissyfit and the Giants were complete simps for giving in at a time when almost nobody actually caved to that kind of behavior. And Johnson wasn't even principled enough to stick by his "retirement" because he never actually meant it at all.
@@DolFan316 - Of course Johnson didn't stick to his retirement, because he got the offer that he had wanted all along.
And, as you said, he achieved this in a period when teams typically did not do that - which is all the more reason to praise him for this successful tactic.
It would have been a nice story if Johnson had gone on to a long and fruitful career. But he didn't have that kind of talent. Still, he got his chance, which what counts.
@@FerdinandCesarano He threw a hissyfit just like Aaron Rodgers is doing now, only with one tenth the talent. And when the Giants caved, what did it get them? Pretty much the same outcome they'd have had by sticking with Snead or going with some random 3rd string guy. As I said, Johnson never was going to retire, it was all just a ploy to get his way. He was truly a man 45 years ahead of his time.
@@DolFan316 I suppose "hissyfit" is one way to put it... But if any one of us were unhappy in our mundane 9-5 jobs, we'd be allowed to quit if we wanted. Thats all Johnson did, quit a job that wasnt working for him. Wasn't necessarily his fault the Giants were deseperate enough to bring him back.
Granted, I probably wouldn't have made a stink in press had I been him... But I have no problems with him daring ownership to call his bluff. It is not very often that you have leverage over your employers.
This week, on Days of our Steelers...
So who was best among the Vikings, Cuozzo, Snead or Lee?
" He was a legend in his own mind ''.
For the longest time I wondered why the ‘73 Giants did so poorly, especially considering they came off a promising 8-6 season and 6-0 preseason. Looking back, they simply didn’t have enough quality players and drafted horribly (Rocky Thompson,, Larry Jacobson, Eldridge Small). Even their top pick in ‘70, Jim Files, was out of football in ‘74. Dolphins QB Ryan Fitzpatrick reminds me of Norm Snead, can be tantalizing good and then plain awful.
Ryan Fitzpatrick is a good comparison to Snead. I'd say Snead probably had more raw ability (while taking more punishment & having his confidence shaken early), while Fitzpatrick isn't as naturally gifted but overachieving (in reality, Fitzpatrick probably shouldn't have even had a career, but he's had a lot of desire and confidence). Their careers have a similar feel too (the "tantalizingly good and then plain awful" that you mentioned), although more was expected out of Snead (that's where I feel Snead and Vinny Testaverde intersect).
Ron Johnson was the main reason for the Giants success in '70 & '72. He was hurt in '71 and '73. The '71 team was more dysfunctional. Major trades were made and assistant coaches were fired after that season.
@@joeshmoe7789 , I agree that Ron Johnson was a big reason for their success in ‘70 and ‘72, but disagree that the ‘71 team was more dysfunctional, as that team featured many players who got starting roles that year due to injuries (Richmond Flowers, Pete Athas, to name a few) and these players were key to the winning record they had in ‘72. Trading Tarkenton for Snead, Bob Grim and Vin Clemens won’t go down as a great trade for the Giants. And while Ron Jonson missed a few games in ‘73, he still rushed for 900 yards that year.
Jim Files post some nyg highlights on his yt channel.
Well, at least they made some good draft picks, in the mid 60's , like taking Tucker Frederickson out of Auburn, instead of Gale Sayers.
I think I was at last Giant game at Yankee Stadium. Joe Morrison caught a pass and ran 40 or so yards for a td. It was against the Eagles. I wonder if that was the play in this video
I could have sworn I saw a guy wearing #70 catching the ball. I looked it up. Bob Hyland was an offensive guard. How do you throw the ball to an offensive guard?!
Hyland was lined up as a tight end on that play. As long as he reported into the refs that he was an eligible receiver, he was a legitimate target to pass to.
I am a lifetime Giants fan since the 60s, they were dysfunctional that year, but the entire decade of the 70s were horrible. Webster was replaced by Arnsbarger and then they had the fumble in 1977, which lead to fans renting a plane that pulled a sign that said “15 years of lousy football, we’ve had enough”. That got that regime sacked and they hired George Young/ Ray Perkins, which lead to Bill Parcels.
By the mid-1970s, Giants season ticket holders were burning their tickets in front of Giants headquarters and paying for aircraft to tow banners that could be read during game time as the aircraft circled that read "'15 Years of Lousy Football. We've Had Enough.''
Gotta love how people actually think they're fighting for justice by burning/destroying stuff they already bought. The only statement they're making is, "I'm dumb enough to think this makes a difference after I've already given the people I'm protesting against my money."
New York Giants 2-11-1 overall and Randy Johnson played college football at Texas A&I with Gene Upshaw who starred with Oakland Raiders !!
The. Giants was my team until I got really disgusted with them & became am Steelers fan in the 70's. I got frustrated with the lousy draft picks. When they traded their #1 draft pick for Morton that was the last straw.
I hung in there with the Gmen. But it was tough.
If I'm not mistaken, the home games the Giants played at the beginning of the 1973 season were the last home games they actually played in New York.
Correct. After 2 games NYC evicted the Giants who played at the Yale Bowl for the rest of '73 and all of '74.
The Giants in 1974 would trade there number 1 Draft pick in 1975 to Dallas for QB Craig Morton. That number 1 Draft pick turned out to be future Hall of Famer Randy White! The Giants couldn't do anything right in 70's
I'm against any trade with dallas.
Do a video on the fight between OBJ vs. Josh Norman
Do a story on Jim Marshall, did register a tackle is SB XI
To be fair, Johnson's 7-8 TD-int ratio was MUCH better than Snead's 7-22! How come no mention of Jim McCann, the punter who led the league in blocks with 3 while punting just 12 times!
His passer rating was over 27 points higher too, and he averaged almost a yard more per attempt than Snead with less than half the INT percentage.
It's weird to see the Giants in old Yankee Stadium. I just missed that era.
The problem with the Giants after the '63 Championship Game loss to the Bears was Wellington trying to get another Y.A. Tittle instead of drafting a young QB out of college and developing him. Fran Tarkenton Norm Snead then Craig Morton. That was the Dysfunction of the Giants was Wellington Mara. Not until Pete Rozelle stepped in between Wellington and Tim Mara feuding and got them to hire George Young who then drafted the young QB in Phil Simms did things start going in the right direction.
Growing up as a Giants fan, my only memories, were that of Tarkenton throwing deep to Homer Jones; not much else
@@davemr6193 I was so upset when they traded Homer to Cleveland. Even though Ron Johnson was very good if the Giants had drafted a RB out of college they would not have had to trade my favorite Giant of all time to get one. That was part of the dysfunction poor drafting.
In 1963 Snead made the Pro Bowl after throwing a league-high 27 INT's, had a 48% completion percentage and a 3-11 record. Even when Snead didn't suck, he sucked.
How the hell they win 2 games.
Randy was right...it was a time before the lil’ bitsch “baller” type. Should have given him the reigns with the “show me” attitude. Instead you kept the car in the garage and the driver said screw it. You reap what you sow.
Catcher in the Rye POO 💩 terminated wit James ➕ his half sister
Yale Bowl didn't (still doesn't) have lights.
Still not as bad as the Geno Smith game.
He had zero blockers. Give him a break
I was impressed with Johnson making the tackle on the Raiders player who picked him off. You just don’t see that very often. Can you imagine Cam Newton doing that especially after his refusal to recover a fumble in the Panthers Super Bowl loss a few seasons? Me neither!
I think your 2021 jaguars can take this honor now.
Although very informal these segments seem to concentrate solely on the worst of times in New York City NFL history. Please correct me if I'm wrong
Here’s one on the time Jeff Hostetler blocked a punt: czcams.com/video/aBAkSbHPYL0/video.html
Here’s another one on the 1994 Giants and their incredible mid season turnaround: czcams.com/video/K6DEp1WD3V8/video.html
Automatic Systematic: We pay JaguarGator big money to run these anti-NY videos.
We fully expect another 17 videos to pour out in the coming months... :P
@@d0nKsTaH hey it's your platform, regardless if your sole mission is to promote anti NYC rhetoric through sports then you most likely inhale flatulence from rhinoceros rear ends, respectfully
@@automatic_systematic I was kidding man
@@d0nKsTaH ohhh... Oops?!? 😳
As a founding member of the "Norm Snead was legitimately a Good Quarterback" club, this video is not helping my cause lol
I believe he really was (I see him as the Vinny Testaverde of his era), but 1973 wasn't good for him, and from what I've learned about Snead is that he had a habit of following an excellent season with a weak one. Also, I think Snead was about at the end of the line as a NFL starter in 1973. What didn't help Snead was the Giants of 1973 (what also never helped Snead was that he played for a succession of crummy teams, with the exceptions being the 1966 Eagles and 1972 Giants).
@@gluserty His '72 season was aided by all the short, dump off passes. Those plays were called because of the Giants small and weak offensive line. Ron Johnson helped make it a somewhat successful season, but Snead couldn't throw the long ball without interceptions.
@@joeshmoe7789 I think Snead could really sling it though, but it seemed his success varied from season to season; kind of an in-and-out kind of player, but that's one thing I find interesting about him.
I have no opinion on his abilities as a player, but I'm certain that a guy named "Norm Snead" would not be allowed to play in the NFL in 2021.
He came into the league the same year as Tarkenton... and his career was almost as long. They both had mediocre careers in the 60s, but one QB had his glory years in the 70s... the other tanked.
They were a mess but the most dysfunctional? The '76 bucs might have that title
True dysfunction is like fine wine, it takes a while to develop.
Bucs were an expansion team and just plain bad... not dysfunctional..
For what it's worth, the 1973 Giants were a perfect 6-0 in the pre-season.
Sounds a lot like the 2008 Lions, who famously became the first ever 0-16 team. Forgotten by many though, is the fact that Lions team went 4-0 in the preseason that same year.
Sucking in the Seventies is a chapter of the NY football Giants story.
QB's that posted a 0.00 rating, Not so hard after all
Tommy Thompson[1] 12/19/1948
Otto Graham[2] 12/27/1953
King Hill[3] 10/2/1960
John Brodie[4] 10/22/1961
Al Dorow[5] 9/9/1962
John Hadl[6] 10/13/1962
Cotton Davidson[7] 10/14/1962
Cotton Davidson[8] 11/18/1962
Bill Munson[9] 10/11/1964
Earl Morrall[10] 9/19/1965
Dick Wood[11] 9/19/1965
Jack Kemp[12] 12/5/1965
Dick Wood[13] 9/9/1966
Joe Kapp[14] 10/15/1967
Don Trull[15] 12/9/1967
Bob Griese[16] 9/28/1968
Johnny Unitas[17] 10/20/1968
Virgil Carter[18] 10/12/1969
Billy Kilmer[19] 9/27/1970
Don Gault[20] 10/3/1970
Mike Taliaferro[21] 10/11/1970
Rick Arrington[22] 10/25/1970
Terry Hanratty[23] 11/15/1970
Len Dawson[24] 11/22/1970
Terry Bradshaw[25] 12/13/1970
Kent Nix[26] 10/3/1971
Bobby Douglass[27] 11/21/1971
John Hadl[28] 11/28/1971
Gary Cuozzo[29] 12/11/1971
Greg Landry[30] 9/24/1972
Dan Pastorini[31] 10/9/1972
Bob Lee[32] 12/9/1973
Gary Keithley 12/9/1973
Gary Keithley[33] 12/16/1973
Joe Namath[34] 9/29/1974
Archie Manning[35] 11/25/1974
James Harris[36] 9/21/1975
Dan Fouts[37] 10/5/1975
Terry Bradshaw[38] 12/20/1975
Norm Snead[39] 11/14/1976
Joe Namath[40] 12/12/1976
Richard Todd[41] 12/12/1976
Craig Morton[42] 1/15/1978
Dan Pastorini[43] 9/9/1979
Mike Livingston[44] 9/9/1979
Terry Bradshaw[45] 12/12/1982
Cliff Stoudt[46] 12/12/1982
Warren Moon[47] 11/10/1985
Warren Moon[48] 11/30/1986
Dave Wilson[49] 1/3/1988
Todd Marinovich[50] 11/8/1992
Tommy Maddox[51] 10/15/1995
Dave Brown[52] 12/1/1996
Kent Graham[53] 10/12/1997
Tony Graziani[54] 10/26/1997
Trent Dilfer[55] 12/14/1997
Ryan Leaf[56] 9/20/1998
Scott Mitchell[57] 10/15/2000
Anthony Wright[58] 12/25/2000
Randy Fasani[59] 10/27/2002
Tim Hasselbeck[60] 12/14/2003
Jeff Garcia[61] 9/19/2004
Eli Manning[62] 12/12/2004
Joey Harrington[63] 12/17/2006
Rex Grossman[64] 12/31/2006
Chris Redman[65] 12/16/2007
That's fewer than 4/10 of 1% of all games played in that time period. Another way to say it is thay it is fewer than 4 times every 1,000 games played. So yeah, it's pretty rare.
Wow! There's some really good quarterbacks on that list (Moon, Fouts, Bradshaw, Manning x 2, etc)
The Giants were 1-2-1 after four games, and their two losses were by a combined four points. Soooo... maybe they would've been 4-0 with Johnson?
2 for 12, less than 17% of passes, threw for 15 yards and a passer rating of 0.0?! I don't think I've ever heard of that stat. That might be the worst game ever...yes, talk about a dysfunctional season, for sure
a worse passing rating than you'd have if you simply spiked the ball on every play
0.0 rating
Why is it that about ever QB with the last name Johnson is either not good at all or mediocre at best & yes that includes TB Bucs Super Bowl winning QB.
I don’t know, the Jags under Meyer was pretty horrible….. I said from the get go that hiring him was a terrible idea. Trouble follows him, and I wondered would he take a heart attack, if he got caught cheating on his wife again……
This vid came out before Meyer coached a game
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 for the record, I’ve been a Jags fan since they announced we were getting them. I can’t stand the gators though. FSU grad
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WRH is up with the editing?!
Explained it in the description. After I published this, the NFL claimed a large portion of this video and blocked it from being shown, so I had to take it out. Entirely out of my control
Thanks! Sorry if my post come off hostile. Too bad the NFL Iis a buzzkill.
You’re totally fine. Wish there was something I could do about it
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Thank God they haven't done this to your other videos. Yet.
Really not right to be killing the poor guy all these years later, it serves no good purpose...Pete Athas had a real nice head of hair, never made a play though...
3:34 Joe Morrison! Old Dependable!
why so many cuts n clips?
NFL blocked the original edit of the video
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 im thought my internet was skipping 😂! you do an amazing job either way! 1 week in and ive watched almost all of your work!
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