The Future of Gaming According to PlayStation | Cold Take
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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
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My favorite part of the Fortnite crossplay fiasco was that it was enabled "accidentally" by Epic. It was just suddenly live one day amidst all the debate about whether or not it was financially responsible or feasible to do without a ton of work. They demonstrated to everyone it was literally as simple as flipping a switch. Legendary "accident" right there
The problem is mainly in terms of logistic of in-game currency here. Generally if crossplay is thought of early enough in a game conception, it is as simple as switching a few fuse and flipping the switch.
Else you get warframe, who had to deal with a few years of developpement to untangle the code.
@@slynthehedgehog8061 Nowadays, yeah. in 2017 and prior, the primary obstacle was gatekeeping by whoever was currently winning the console wars. Back in the ps3/360 era it was Xbox that rejected the idea. The Fortnite fiasco blew up the public perception of it and got Sony to back down, much like the Helldivers 2 thing recently.
Just plain, shitty old greed stifling progress, even before MTX became prolific
Ah, the digital Fall of the Berlin Wall.
@@slynthehedgehog8061 And now that they have, they are all better for it! even bringing crossplay to moblie Warframe!
look at Warthunder too, free to play crossplay since always
@@firesupotree i mean...it isn't as if helldivers 2 is again being able to be purchased on countries WITHOUT capabilities to create a PSN account .
So not so sure on that point being fully true just yet.
"Their business moves baffle me and I like that in a woman."
What a line, what a delivery.
I'll be honest, I watch Cold Take 10% for the opinion piece itself, 20% for the voice, and 70% for that sort of line.
"My muuuse I must paint you"
That was a decent one, but I for my part liked "go die somewhere that isn't my welcome matt" better. Had to pause the video for about 30 seconds so I could hear Frost over my own laughter.
Yeah I had a chubby for most of this one... Didn't expect to but.. is what it is I guess.
That's MY sexbox and HER name is SONY.
Frost rambling complete nonsense over the credits and his voice still gets me to stay to the end.
I was sitting here thinking "Frost, buddy, you ok? You smell burnt toast? Just rigatoni? Ok."
The man could read the dictionary to me and I'd use it as meditation.
It's an absolutely amazing thing to do. My new favorite part of the video.
How 'bout it. I'd kill for a voice like that.
I want more of that freestyling, not gonna lie. 😂
"throatgoatmanship" is my favourite word of this week.
Throatgoatmanship, Jiminycockthroat... Second Wind is giving us so many new words.
Hey, let it be known that Mario was the first one to use the term while discussing Ronald Regan during a mail read.
Just started the video, look down and see this as the first comment.
This is going to be a good one, I see.
A new word for brown-nosing.
@@jamesrule1338 Its Cold Take, of course its going to be great!
Ever since you left the Escapist, your videos seem to get better and better. Glad you’re kicking ass
Same with the old videos. They started extremely high quality already and got even better from video to video.
@@1IGG Digging the positivity.
that whole thing still upsets me. I was one of those people who only knew the escapist for zero punctuation, but with the new direction they were taking I genuinely started to catch an interest for other members of the team. And to think upper management could see the imminent revitalization of a dying channel and AXE the guy making it happen was just saddening.
allow room for criticism.
"Sony wasn't intimidated by the throat-goatmanship on display"
How do you say that with such a straight voice? Are you related to the Kurzgesagt VA?
Now _that's_ a crossover I'd like to see!
why would you ever compare frost to something so sterile and boring
the throat goat, made the scrote bloat
@@AlbanianThrash If you think it is sterile and boring, you've never heard him say "Nuclear Death Ball" in his straight voice.
@@AlbanianThrashYOU'RE sterile and boring.
The person who takes Bloodbourne from Playstation's grasp will be king of England AND IT WILL BE DESERVED
Lilith came close with Bloodborne PSX but when Sony saw Bloodborne Kart they got too scared.
Bloodbourne has been exclusive so long that I am well on my way to not caring about playing it.
@@Robstafarian Give it a few years and you'll have emulators to play it on.
@@OzixiThrill As Near showed, accurate emulation requires substantially more compute power than the original platform.
At this point I will rent a ps4 and play the game
The Sony pony bit is proof your voice can articulate anything and it won't sound ridiculous.
The incredulous chuckle after saying that was the icing on the cake for me.
Frost that end monologue got a well deserved sensible chuckle out of me, well done
The walled garden is "safer" than open competition, and investors love safety (and immediate returns).
Microsoft is also playing to investors, and open competition means you can put your product in front of more people irrespective of whether they're giving you dollars for hardware. See. PC/Xbox platform unification and selling once exclusives on PSN. You can construct a scenario of investor pleasing one way or the other. Eg. it's just pandering philosophies for the investor class so they don't get skittish and whatever aspect can backfire to these dynamics. Microsoft may dilute its Xbox brand to the point it's a PC accessory, but Sony could also torpedo its market dominance by walling itself off to emerging trend leaders, making its platform more and more insular, self-referential, and inflexible and thus susceptible to changing interests (and evolving global markets).
How the deck of history is stacked will determine which outcome gets dealt (including any possibility not listed here). But no matter what happens, you'll have suits trying to narrate over what happens as good for shareholders.
That was my thought too. Sony's investors see that PlayStation consoles have been outselling Xbox consoles and they want to keep it that way. What they seem to be mistaken with though, is (they seem to be) thinking that they are competing with PC players, hence the PSN requirements to make sure they have some kind of control. They're probably thinking "after all, EA does it, Ubisoft does it, why not us?" Choosing to DELIST the game, though, that's still baffling. You'd think they'd want a viral game to sell as much as possible instead of limiting it so severely.
@@svenbtbWell, yeah, everyone else is doing it, so why the hell wouldn't they? Their only mistake was turning off the requirement for the first few months. Sadly, delisting it means that people who refunded it can't get it back.
@@MrGamelover23 if everyone else jumped of a cliff, would you?
just because it's popular to do, doesn't make it the best move
Investors like seeing a return on investment
most consoles sell at a loss, and most profit is from games
all your games on more platforms=more people buying games
Sony's strategy is working about as well as Xbox's right now
but Xbox is gonna pay off in the long term, while Sony's is more focused on the short term
@@dragonriderabens9761 I would argue the opposite, sony is focusing on the long term and Xbox is focusing on the short term.
Building good will for the players is good and all, but that doesn't sell games or services. Making good games does. Consumers memories is short after all. All the good thing Microsoft is pretending to do will mean nothing. The walled garden that Sony is making has proven to be the better choice in the long run. (See IPhone VS Android) for why.
i love duopolies where my choices are evil vs incompetent
Technically a triopoly, if you count Nintendo. What would they be here...complacent?
@@newsystembad some unholy amalgamation of conservative, obsolete, out of touch, cultish, and cruel.
Comment goes to show you're very idiotic. Maybe read up on Microsofts policies in markets they're already dominant in. They actively sabotage competitors, steal data, etc. And they're incompetent evil
Who’s who
Here’s the most messed up part of Helldivers: It’s not that the game stopped being sold in those countries because people were playing it without PSN - PSN was just never available in those countries to begin with. And on top of that, it adds up to literal hundreds of millions of people in those countries who basically can’t use a PlayStation… it’s like a technological meritocracy - it’s bizarre!
Now Sony are claiming that they’ve backtracked - but haven’t in reality - to avoid the negative reviews. That’s all. It’s a smokescreen.
I think it's because the investors somehow care more if psn user number go up rather than game sale number go up. Also, they really never should have sold it in those countries it wasn't available in to begin with. They always intended it to be a requirement. Selena in those countries was just evil. But is Sony the only one with this problem? Or do all the other companies like Microsoft and EA and Ubisoft also lack availability in over 170 countries?
Time to go xbox
@@MrGamelover23 Of course. If you get PSN numbers up, that means Sony is getting a cut of every game they buy. Even though this isn't really the case, cause these aren't real PlayStation users.
While if a game just sells really well having a game explode is great for short term. They want that long term Apple Store, Steam, etc ecosystems dominance.
I got tired of the console churn and the subscription for internet connectivity. I switched to PC during the PS4 era. I've saved money.
Same. I was also tired of 30 fps or below for every game. Not paying for subscriptions for multiple consoles, and the cheaper more frequent sales on PC storefronts, have saved more than enough money to make up for PCs being a higher up front cost.
Every year I don't have Xbox Live or PlayStation Plus or Nintendo Online... Well it used to be simple, $60 + $60 + $20 = $140 I'm not spending every year. But now each service has multiple tiers and prices that I have no idea what the potential savings are anymore. And I don't care to look it up. I just know I'm saving loads of money not buying any of that junk.
I swapped to buying old consoles or emulating my older games and I can’t say I’m too bummed out for what I’ve “missed”. There have been titles here and there that I probably would have jumped on if they weren’t stripped down slot machines that take every chance to interrupt potential playtime for pay walls and lottery mechanics.
So. I actually went the other way during that same time for the same reason. How do you figure it saved you money?
@@zachweyrauch2988 Essentially, as MJC said, yeah, PC has a higher upfront cost, but that's cause none of the companies that sell you the parts/whole computer can sell at a loss cause they got no way of making the money back off of you with subscriptions or sales cuts on the games you buy (unlike console manufacturers)
On the other hand, If you're not a desperate, hype train fanatic, here's where you're gonna get back the money you spent. You can bet any new game you see released will start having 50% discounts a year after their release, if not higher discounts, or the game will be in a bundle for 20% or less than it's full price. Just wishlist games like crazy and prioritize those with steep discounts that vibe with you at the moment you're interested in spending cash in a game. Before you know it, by the time you need a graphics card update to keep up with the most demanding games you're probably with a library 10x larger than the one from the console and the money you saved by buying at those discounts can go for future upgrades.
The key is buying smart and "picking your battles" (only upgrading when you really need it and only the components that matter at the time)
Not op but for me, I've saved so much money with a PC from switching during the beginning of the current console gen.
I didn't spend $500+ for a PS5 (the + being pandemic prices). Didn't spend that plus $60-70 per game for the 2 or 3 games on it I wanted to play only for it to collect dust afterwards.
Frequent game sales and discounts on platforms like Steam (with a great, robust return policy too, if I got a bad game). Plus I can do tons of other stuff with it; CZcams, streaming, emulating games you can't buy anymore, shopping, etc. I own a ton of consoles but the last I bought was the Switch in 2018.
PC still may not be for everyone, as it does generally have a higher entry cost, but that gap gets smaller every year. It's a long run thing.
6:10 this hits so hard as someone who's favorite game (Dark and Darker) is literally strangling itself to death right now, while the devs, streamers and the 1% remaining playerbase chant "Hold the Line! doomers begone!" at anyone so much as asking for an anti-cheat. Like THE definition of toxic positivity. Meanwhile your cheater black market is so prolific CZcams is hosting their advertisements.
Cultish is exactly the word i'd use, lol.
I love the subtle shift in tone in this video.
If Dimension 20 ever do a Mentopolis 2 campaign, please ask to join!
I swear to God, he would be too good. And I need it. Also love that so.eone else out there is a huge d20 fan
Not the crossover we deserve, but the one we desperately need
I'd love to have someone with a fraction of his vocal weight to narrate the openings to adventures on a TTRPG group. (Framed as a detective coming behind the PC's trying to figure out WTF happened.)
The other possible Sony business model- "There's a sucker born every minute."
Sony has had, frankly, too many mis-steps and flat out shady business practices to get much more from me without a decade long apology.
Honestly, I had both a PS3 and 360. Loved em both. Going into the next gen, I threw my money behind the PS4 and for a time, I was happy with that purchase. But then over the course of that generation, Sony slowly started sliding back down that hill to the same anti-consumer-focused company they had become after the PS2 era, and I said F it when this last generation launched. I went PC and never looked back. I just simply don't trust them to be a decent company anymore.
Sony have a massive track record of leaking all their PSN user data to whoever tries to get it.
In the UK, signing up for PSN (at the least aggressive) requires me to send them a photocopy of my passport. It might be free, but the cost is potentially massive.
Wrf?!? They really require your passport? Why?
i have 3 psn accounts (not all used by me) and i have never once had to.. photocopy my passport... what???
if PSN try to charge PC gamers to play online would be one hell of a shit show that will burn down quick.
0 chance they could even conceive of getting away with it, it’s still mad that they and Xbox get away with it on consoles to me tbh
@@crash_jj sadly with how many people are conditions to accept things these days, I don't think there is a 0 chance.
@@crash_jj Playstation used to not need it to play online, I was very put out when they made plus a requirement. I still hope that one of the consoles will go back to being free to play online but it seems unlikely.
Frost just rambling puns at the credits just shows the airs and attitude in Second WInd. And i love it
that credits rolly
Petition for Sony Jabroni to be the new go-to derisive nickname.
*Siiiip* Kids these days. Don't appreciate good ol' Sony is Phony
No need for a petition, only repetition. 😉
@@Poctyk Phony Lamestation, amirite?
@@3row4wy23Hi there! Would you like to sign my petition?
0:25 STARRY NIGHT SPOTTED LET'S GOGH GAMERS🌃✨✨
Let's Gogh!
Anyone not raised in America will be really confused by your comment
@@tmage23 What? The joke has literally NOTHING to do with being American, or not.
@@leviathan5207 Only Americans pronounch "Gogh" like "go".
@@leviathan5207 Americans are the only ones who pronounce his name as "go". In England, it's "goff", in Dutch it's rather complicated but sort of like "hawk" but with your mouth full of saliva so the pun only works if you use the American pronunciation
“Gambling is the sexy cousin of statistics that potentially puts out on the first date.” I’m not a gambling man but this made me at least consider it in the future.
Just remember: Most gamblers quit right before they hit it big!
Let's please not also forget that Helldivers 2 is what i like to call an "undead game" sure it works right now but what happens when eventually the servers get shut down huh ? This is why Ross's campaign against publishers killings games is so important to me cuz i want to be able to play any game 20 years from now if i want to
All the publishers/devs have to do is release the server files to host servers when they take down their own.
Wouldn't cost them anything.
They refuse to though.
It's also in a steady decline. In 3 months it has lost over 80% of its player counts. At the current rate it will be under 10k by October and under 1k by the 1 year mark. That's not a successful evergreen live service that will be paying the bills forever. It's a FOTM. In fact it's a pretty extreme case, most games only lose about 60% in those same 3 months, helldivers is halving twice as fast.
Besides, I am not a "freeloader", I paid 40€ for Helldivers 2, thank you very much.
@@Sotanaht01
I'm almost certain a good chunk of that decline came from Sony themselves pushing their subscription services
@@Sotanaht01That is not how playercount works. It always drops off sharply after release and becomes more steady, very slowly bleeding players. You can't just extrapolate that early peak and sudden drop to the whole game's lifespan. Literally every game has this, thus every game should be dead within a year, right?
Also there are 63k people playing helldivers right now on Steam alone, nevermind playstation. That's not a "dying playerbase".
You say "throatgoatmanship" with a straight face and you crack at "sony pony" XD, that ending segment was amazing!
With the jazz music in the background, Frost sounds like a 1930s private eye narrating the mystery he's on the trail of, cigarette dangling from lips, trench coat glistening in the rain, and fedora hanging low over the eyes, bourbon in one hand and Colt pistol in the other, while he talks about the "dame" he met at the bar the other night.
You, sir, should consider doing audiobooks as a side gig! 😁
Either that, or he should do voicework for whatever Supergiant works on after Hades II.
That's literally the theme of the whole series.
@@GmodPlusWoW Now this has me imagining Supergiant’s next game being noir-inspired, and I don’t think the world is ready for that
@@ser_saffron Now I'm imagining Supergiant doing a noir-stylee detective RPG that's basically their Disco Elysium.
If there's any company that could make another Disco Elysium (in spirit or in name), it'd probably be Supergiant.
Very true. Reverse Wayne June and I'm all for it
I am amused at my own experience of asking like thirty different gaming groups if Helldivers was going to be worth it. Had my wallet out to grab the battle passes, which I am normally against, and then Sony went mad and I decided to go spend my money on small indie devs instead.
Everybody balks at the idea of not owning games that you bought, but with digital hosting and the death of physical storage we're basically already there. Just look at what recently happened with EA.
Time to dust off the ol privateer hat.
Doesn't mean people shouldn't push back. I'll personally be supporting physical games until the last disc released.
This is why more recently I'm inclined to spend my money on collecting old physical media, rather then spending on the latest AAA hit game.
Digital hosting isn't a problem in and of itself, as long as you can put and keep the game on your physical HDD, back it up if you like its functionally identical to having a game cartridge or disk. Its the way the rug is so often pulled and the deleting of stuff of your console because the real owners have decided they want to...
Steam has removed "purchasing" games literally a decade ago
Nintendo being the only console manufacturer for whom I feel somewhat confident that they have a long term (like, next 10-15 years) future in the console space is an interesting feeling.
Like, PlayStation as a division is no longer Sony's only profitable division to be fair, but it's still their most profitable one by a long shot and if the good times end, it's just as expendable as VAIO or Sony Ericsson was. People forget that, and they really shouldn't.
Sony continues to stick with largely the same strategy that worked for them back with the PSX: put out a game with greater processing power, broader graphics options, and more storage than your competition and the devs will come running. Meanwhile, Nintendo has demonstrated a capacity to adapt and overcome not by trying to out-tech Sony and Microsoft (where MS, by the by, has mainly been competing with Sony by being the Pepsi to their Coke, i.e. doing the same thing but less well) but by securing a particular domain of gaming IPs and stable dev relations that make them immutable. Sony and Microsoft might be the hares who can run the whole race backwards and forwards blindfolded, but Nintendo is the tortoise that will reliably finish the race, which you can't guarantee for the other two.
And now that we seem to have hit a ceiling on processing power and graphics fidelity that even developers are having trouble breaking past, Sony's domain is starting to show some cracks in the margins. I don't quite know how it's all going to go, but I think you're right that Sony's position is not as secure as they think it is, and their console division end up going the way of Sega if they don't find a way to control the landscape.
@@unlimitedblack I think Nintendo realized that since Microsoft and Sony are so busy competing with each other over hardware specs they have free reign to do whatever they want.
@@unlimitedblack Also, Nintendo almost certainly spends a lot less than the competition. Their consoles are cheaper, and the lower graphical capabilities typically translate to lower dev costs as well. They run a very tight ship, which is ironically what gives them the freedom to do wacky experiments without much fear of failure.
@@espio87 Nintendo are super lucky when it comes to a lot of their consoles, they're lucky Atari almost destroyed the whole industry, they're lucky no other company made good portables until the PSP, they're lucky they could've turned around the 3ds from a gimmicky flop to a relatively cheap console with a solid lineup and that Sony messed up the vita as bad as they did, and they're also lucky the mobile games market has transformed into the money hungry abyss it is known for today and that the switch didn't get sucked into it, which as old or bad it's hardware is until the last 2 years it was the only portable on the market that actually played new high quality games.
Yeah, it feels like Nintendo focuses on making good exclusive games without having the best hardware while Sony and Microsoft are too busy on their subscription services and specs
I'm going to say that I came to Second Wind because of Yahtzee, but holy shit you guys are all top game.
Cold Take is great! Keep up the good work.
The lowkey greatness of saying "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often blimes" at the end there is why Frost is one of the best.
Microsoft were the first to stop cross play with ps back in the 360 era but most people don’t remember that
I remember running around in Phantasy Star on my 360, wondering why I couldn't see one of my RL friends.
"PlayStation as a premium product" has been the strategy since PS3 - that was a high price because of BluRay adoption, but the confused PlayStation Network ideas didn't dent sales. Heck, not even Home worked. Xbox One and PS4 were so much closer in terms of hardware that aligning the two services would have made sense then, but Sony snubbed cross-play, doubled down on exclusives and bungled game streaming even with the headstart offered by Gaikai. Now, there is no doubt Sony's first-person games have been at a high level recently, but it's still falling behind in streaming and subscriptions. Rumours of a new Astrobot aside, the Helldivers 2 debacle and the lack of big names this year is really going to hurt Sony. There are no more remasters and remakes to fall back on.
no more remasters and remakes
*cough* BLOODBORN *cough*
*cough* come on Sony I am begging you *cough*
Sony exclusive titles have certain aura about them, but they also are not sustainable, no matter how Sony tries. Spiderman 2 did not give profits they expected. Because there is limit of how many people will have PS5 and will buy their exclusive games. No matter how hard Sony tries, consoles start to become just a platform where to play Fortnite, CoD, EA Sports titles or indie of the week. Microsoft already accepted that defeat.
I agree with you on the fact that it is hard to read what Sony will do. It seems that they are open to let some of their franchises be awailable for a wider audience. But then its like they clam up. You can have a few bread crumbs like Ghost of Tsushima, Horizon and Days Gone. But that is it. I thought a big appeal to a big company like that would be to vaccum clean the consumers wallets. But with Sony i just dont know. But like you mention in a rather stale and predictable market its fun with the joker character that you cant tell what he will do.
Sony is stuck in an awkward middle-ground between Nintendo and Microsoft. Unlike Nintendo, their development costs are too high to maintain profit/growth with just their own platform's audience. But unlike Microsoft, that platform _is_ still incredibly successful, too successful to risk devaluing by going multiplat (even just PC).
So Sony _has_ to release games on PC to expand their audience, but at the same time they have be very selective about what they release so they can still entice people to buy/stay on PlayStation. So far their strategy has been to port their games about 2-3 years after the console release (and FWIW, it's not "crumbs", they've ported most of their big games). I imagine they'll continue following this strategy, along with more cross-platform multiplayer releases.
I'm most curious to see what Sony's relationship with third-party exclusives is going to be. FF7 Rebirth would seem to indicate that it's no longer sustainable at the AAA level, so I predict we'll see fewer 3P exclusives from major publishers, and more deals with flashier AA games like Stellar Blade.
Sony is going to continue the way they are doing it now, just because it works. Releasing old exclusives in steam is just a way of profiting from a segment of players that dont value their exclusives enough to get into their ecosystem (that is why they release it so many years in advance, if they did simultaneous releases, or even a year later release, why would a pc gamer get a ps5 instead of waiting) while creating a new revenue stream.
@@RunePonyRamblings I don't know much about the Sony business side of things, so hearing Frost's take was interesting. It sounds like the Sony Suits are so focused on being "number one," that they've lost sight of the bigger picture. It actually has similar themes to Microsoft's current situation; they've blown billions gobbling up studios, and now they have no clue how to manage their own acquisitions.
I think their PC strategy is really smart. Porting their games, but only after a few years. And, it seems, trying to keep the PC versions a step behind their current console. Ie, you can play Spider-Man 1 on PC, but if you want to play the newer prettier Spider-Man 2, ya gotta pony up for a PS5. It helps pull people into the Sony ecosystem.
@@brandonbigsby2557 Not exactly. Microsoft's problem is that they thought they could buy their way into success, but they don't know how to manage the studios they buy, so those studios struggle to put out system-selling exclusives, so Microsoft just buys _more_ studios, and now they're having an Embracer moment and have to pay the piper, apparently by more-or-less becoming Activision themselves.
Sony's problem is that they've become the biggest fish in a shrinking pond. They've maxed-out their marketshare and their development costs are getting out of control. But anything they could do to expand their market risks undermining the very business model that brought them to the top in the first place.
7:32 I don't see their move as complicated as this. If we're looking at it as a tinfoil hat conspiracy, mine is much more simple: A high level executive decided, without challenge, that the number of PSN memberships would suddenly become a KPI, and so made the directive. The amount of blowback was unexpected, so they course-corrected to let it slide this one time and decided to try again later once the outrage died down.
When a metric becomes a goal, it stops being a metric. And becomes a fault.
It's called Cold Take but this time around it felt more like Hot Roast, heh
The interesting thing about the idea of Sony trying to be the premium brand with culture defining hits is that Nintendo more or less has that role already. Like everyone knows what Zelda and Mario are, but its easy to find people who know nothing about God of War, the Last of Us, or Horizon. Their closest IP is Spiderman, and you could reasonably argue that IP isn't known for the games as much as everything else.
That assumes IP is the hallmark of quality. Nintendo has more cultural relevance than Sony but Sony as a video game brand has cornered providing an experience that Nintendo shuns(anything adult oriented)
There are exceptions to this of course for both consoles, but by far and away Sony offers a broader richer access to video game content for audiences that have older more specific tastes.
@@zachweyrauch2988yes, Sony has More mature-themes games like GoW and TLoU but that doesn't make them better. You can be a 30 or 40 year old and still play Zelda, Mario and Pokemon. Many will cry how they want a more mature game in those franchises yet they still buy the latest in the series. The closest they have for a mature-themed game is Metroid and that franchise feels like the black sheep of Nintendo, with games once in a blue moon. Breath of the Wild (2017) sold about 32 million copies on one platform (let's be real, who purchased a Wii-U?). God Of War (2018) has sold an estimated 23 million copies between PS4, PS5 and PC... Nintendo is the premium brand for console gaming, this is why most people have a PC or a powerful console AND a Nintendo switch, because they have experience you can get nowhere else and are worth playing no matter your age.
@@LeGoooze naw dude the reason PC gamers need a switch is in your first few sentences, nintendo polices its franchises which have been neglected like crazy for decades.
Besides that just think about numbers. You finish GoW then theres probably two titles you passed over on sale right now and a new title coming in a few weeks all similar games with tangential themes that you can play next.
How long between BotW and TotK? Thats the major difference. Im not a child and cant be appeased until my attention gets farmed again, i consume media with purpose. Nintendo fans dont even have that option.
Tears of the Kingdom was one of the laziest sequels I have ever seen and people ate it up. I think something is mind controlling people when it comes to Nintendo.
@@zachweyrauch2988 You may like Sony's offerings more and that's fine, but the fact is Nintendo dominates in our collective psyche, remember that our parents and older generation refered to all consoles as 'Nintendos' for a reason. They have managed to stay relevant all these years and most people own or have owned at least one Nintendo console in their lives. Nintendo creates games and hardware that many feel it's worth paying for even when it may be less powerful than the competition because they are the only one who have the unique experience that the mainstream wants to play.
Again, you may like Sony's games more than Nintendo's. You may find Nintendo's games to be boring or uninspired, but the vast majority of gamers don't do so, including the youngest who grow playing games like Mario, Zelda, Kirby instead of GoW.
At this point I just buy Nintendo consoles and hobble my aging PC along. I've grown to hate live service games, I don't really see any must buy games to justify either a Playstation or Xbox, and 1440p or even 1080p gaming is just fine on PC for the older games I play so I also can't even justify new PC hardware.
Elden Ring is the most modern game I play regularly and it looks fine on 1440p Medium. The way I see it, there's no need to upgrade my 5 year old PC yet.
Ever since you guys jumped ship, I've been warming up (pun very much intended) to Cold Take and your many other shows besides Ramblomatic. And I'm glad I did, because that episode feels like having a drink at a calm bar with friends, talking about deeper stuff than usual. It just feels good is what I'm saying.
This has rapidly become my favorite offering from Second Wind.
Frost could make a killing on the poetry scene
Fantastic video Frost, well put - the Sony Jabroni outro killed me too 🤣🤣
If you kids start fighting about your xboxs and playstations so help me I will TURN THIS VIDEO AROUND.
" So help me, if I gotta pull this internet over today, we ain't stopping for a cone on the way home..."
The week can't start without watching a Cold Take first
It's just really frustrating as a Playstation player, to see such obvious and easy solutions: make psn accounts optional on PC, wide release your games on PC, don’t shut down Japan Studio. But some execs at Playstation or Sony high on this AI tech bro nonsense keeps making the wrong choice every time, its driving me crazy.
The thing you want to happen is not the best thing for Sony to do. Sony published Helldiver 2 because they want a big fat list of active emails to sell. Given that goal, why would Sony pay for servers if they're going to be full of people who physically can not give them an active email? Better, given the goal, to kick the people who can't sign up for PSN to make room for people who can.
It's the same reason they hemmed and hawed over Fortnite crossplay. They know as well as we do that the PSN is held together with sticky tape and dreams. Why take on more server traffic than they can maybe even handle when the real money making tool of Fortnite, that big active email list, is already going in to Epics pocket?
This isn't AI tech bro nonsense. Sebastian is spot on when he says "It all feels so 2017." This is a decade old business plan that has demonstrated a safe return on investment.
@@thanatos7007 to add in another point; Sony wants to do what Epic did and create their own PC ecosystem. Steam has pretty much been king and I don’t see that changing, unless Sony creates an actual competitive launcher, which they have a better shot at than Epic.
Epic has to shell out massive sums of cash to offer “free” games that drive consumers into the beginning stages of creating their ecosystem within the launcher, thus gaining a way to retain their audience, as they don’t have any original IPs to entice consumers like Sony does.
Sony not only wants to make Sony published IPs exclusive to their launcher, but by adding in social features such as trophies that carry over, and at some point crossplay-library access, they’ll effectively cut Steam out of the equation as far as their profit margins go. They have to pay steam to publish on their launcher, why pay the competition, steam will be forced to pay Sony to co-publish on both launchers. If Sony even wants to do that. I doubt it. They know they’re ahead, they know they make the best products on the market, they know PC scene is a thriving untapped market that’s had very little in terms of competition, I think writings on the wall. Sony exclusivity based launcher with 3rd party deals with steam for games like cod/madden/etc.
Yeah but Sony Pony has that creepy undercurrent that adds an "if you know you know" element
This was the best cold take episode yet. Here you really got the noir theme down pat while still delivering quality reporting
Frost's laugh at the end is now in my heart and soul
I appreciate that little extra over the patreon roll. Makes it easier to watch until the end.
Frost has be best mix of delivering serious information and relaxed attitude... like talking to a knowledgeable friend.
The word is, "Well-heeled." Euphemism for "spendy."
After the night I had, hearing Frost laugh at something as silly as "Sony Pony" brightened my day😄💖
I'm fairly sure that "Sony Pony" is a slur on people who use playstation by lumping them in with Bronys.
@@Sotanaht01 I am 90% sure Sony Pony pre-dates Brony significantly.
@@uberculex Maybe, I'm only guessing, but brony goes back to 2010, and I don't think anyone was insulting sony users in the PS2 era so that's only a 3 year gap at most.
@@Sotanaht01 I think I learned that bronies are waaaay older than I thought.
i love how we expressed our love for the fun credit-voice-over and we're getting more and more!
If I had to choose a console, I feel safer with Nintendo. At least it's not cutting off limbs to appease Wall Street like Microsoft or become the late-stage Howard Hughes like Sony. Also, Sony has more leaks than a sive executed by a minigun in terms of protecting your data.
I always go with Nintendo because I can play anything Microsoft on my computer and Sony doesn't have enough exclusives that intrigue me to justify the price...even if I could get my hands on the console when they were coming out. r. While Nintendo might play everything safe but I can expect a certain level of quality and their exclusives are frequent.
It it were sold in my country, I would go with the Steam Deck. Consoles where a single company controls the ecosystem must inevitably be abused
If you went with Nintendo, you could barely play anything that came out that wasn't a Nintendo game.
I would go steam deck
I'll stick with Sony, they got the games I want to play ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Nintendo hasn't had a first party game I've personally wanted to play in a few generations and I don't like that their stuff rarely if ever goes in sale
Vets of the Third Console Wars of 199X remember this all too well. A dominant juggernaut, Sega (Sony now) tries to use exclusives and hardware specs to run the table. Nintendo makes their own market. An upstart third party, Playstation 1 (ironically, now, Steam) eventually wins over the playerbase by simply doing things right. And history repeats itself.
Your gambling/statistics analogy was really well done.
I can only imagine the Bloodborne remaster is waiting for a “in case of emergency, break glass” kind of scenario. There no other reason not to have Bluepoint working on it right now.
There is kinda interesting speculation that Bloodborne is impossible to master and port due of how frame rate is tied to physics, because game was done in haste. It is actually plausible.
It's Sony's version of FF7. Square eventually had to break the glass, Sony is apparently not there yet.
@@Pecisk Why would that stop a remake? He pointed out Bluepoint should remake it, because they made Demon Souls. The PS5 Demon Souls was a remake, not a remaster.
More likely it’s at the bottom of their list of games to send over. While I know a lot of player still pat them selves on the back over buying product…. It wasn’t that many consumers compared to many other PS exclusive.
@@Pecisk ps4 60fps mod has proven this false already
The beauty of Cold take video is it's always worth a second or third listen
I know Frost doesn't read comments, but this was pretty cool to watch on my day off from work. As someone who's only gameplay time is split between Fortnite, Mobile games & the occasional Switch titlez it's amazing to see both Xbox & Sony implode on themselves in a matter of months. First Sony with Helldivers 2, then Xbox ruining Hifi Rush 2. It seems that not even the AAA/AAAA companies know what is considered successful anymore.
If you do see this comment Mr. Frost, thanks for giving me some great content to watch in between Yahtzee's vids & have a wonderful Memorial Day.
That ending nonsense over the credits was glorious - good job frost
Thanks!
I'm surprised you didn't mention (maybe it was recorded sooner?) the fact that Squeenix just announced it's going to cross-platform, when it used to be a PS-exclusive shop.
Where's the console disassembly footage from? Looks relaxing.
Yet another well written episode! Love this show.
Would be nice to have every game on one system. Would save me space in my house.
Just made me think of the joke I heard about Target: Their whole business model is charging a bit extra for the people that are willing to pay it so they don't have to go to Walmart. We're not marking up prices out of greed, its a feature. We're keeping out the riff-raff.
Bless that ending bit
ty for the outro A+ and all that
For the algorithm.
Man these videos are so damn good. Seriously, it's really hard to tell which channel is my favorite on Second Wind.
Also, this whole Sony situation is what you get when you push aside the developers, the writers, the artists, and everyone else who actually builds the games and put the bean counters in charge. Late-stage capitalism ruins everything, and now it's here for your video games and other forms of entertainment media.
A point that's occurred to me also is that, with PC, Sony also loses a major source of revenue that they guarantee with Helldivers 2 on PS5: Playstation Plus.
Live service games for them provide two-fold revenue: once for the game itself and another for every person paying for PS Plus to play the game. They know that there's no way to get PS Plus into the PC market. PC players are too used to guaranteed internet. So from their perspective, until they can squeeze more money out of players by implementing a PS Plus alternative for PC, they should probably hold off on fully committing to PC releases.
Maybe I'm way off base, but I think it's something to chew on.
Loved the outro, well done!
I was listening to the credit's rambling with a neutral expression when suddenly and specifically "sony telephony" absolutely killed me. 🤣
I have a PS5. I bought it for the single player exclusives. I don’t have PS+, or whatever they’re calling their “play with real people” package these days. I think that Sony is aware that there’s a lot of people like me out there, and so far have been fairly cautious in pushing games as a service. And when they do, they very much want everything in house. It’s a very conservative mindset, and I think that it works for anyone who is happy puttering around in their walled garden.
I think you might be looking at an evolutionary aspect. The pressure for change only occurs when there is a contrasting negative pressure to drive it. Sadly evolution (the social form included) is rarely proactive.
I also wonder if the escalating xenophobia ramping up in Japan (same as many other countries) encouraged the soloist style or if that parallel is merely coincidence.
Da frog was that ending!?!
Loved it!
Killing PlayStation London felt like a final admission that from now on they are only going to make versions of the same game over and over. No shade on Last of US, God of War or Horizon (all of which i played) but PS used to do the fun stuff in-between the blockbusters. All the weird smaller games that made it interesting. I know the whole market is going that way, Xbox too after the latest pivot, but it feels like they've all abandoned the middle ground. Indies are great for so many things but the AA space was vibrant and colorful and could take risks. I miss that place.
I shouldn't have to stick this disclaimer on every post but i own (or usually do) all the different consoles and PC. I have no dog in a trad boring console fight.
Beautiful poetry at the end there ❤
"throat goatmanship" is a wild phrase. you are a legend
it often blinds, amazing.
I think the "Sony Pony" thing comes from way back when My Little Pony was big. It's basically putting people who like Sony in the same category as the guys who liked that show. I think.
Came over to Second Wind for Yahtzee, stayed for Frost.
I'm loving the Frost AI voice. (I know it's his real voice. I'm just hoping if I say that he'll speak on camera again.)
selling youre data has become more profitable then selling you games
“Throatgoatmsnship” I’m dying 😂😂
Great script. Well done🎉
I'm very glad I stayed for the credits for this one.
Frost has what some might call a "musical laugh." I approve.
Just watched the last three Cold Takes in reverse order. You a stone cold killer Mr Frost. and funny as fcuk. Top one Nice one
Having watched a stream with this fellow on it, I cannot BELIEVE that's just his real voice.
“Good old rock, nothing beats rock!”
Had PS1, 2, 3, and 4, however with the initial stock limitation and price gouging, and imo a lack of first party titles, never felt compelled to get the PS5 just yet. Was going to comment on the PS3/PSN smaller titles but seems at least three were games I fondly remember courtesy of Japan Studios, The Last Guy, Trash Panic and Echochrome
Cold take is the best weekly internet
Negreanu as the Poker guy, classic.
The throat goatmanship… did I hear that correctly!? 😂
I think Sony's being ambitious with their Blu-Ray player, more than I’d be.
"...sits cross-legged on the poker table, with both their hands in their hoodie pouch, and a thousand-yard-stare too cross-eyed for me to read. My muse! I must paint you!" 🤌
First time listening to this part of...Second Wind, are they always this good?
New favorite gaming video series
This is the greatest ending to a CZcams video I ever heard