Physicists Claim They Can Send Particles Into the Past

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    Can you really send a particle into the past? New Scientist published an article about this last week, and though I’m quite fond of the concept of retrocausality, I’m afraid to say that reality is much less interesting than fiction. Let’s have a look.
    Paper: arxiv.org/abs/2403.00054
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  • @alieninmybeverage
    @alieninmybeverage Před 4 dny +608

    Retracting scientific papers is about to get several disorders of magnitude more complicated. Some papers will simply unretract themselves.

    • @AgentLeon
      @AgentLeon Před 2 dny +31

      I have bought "5D chess with multiverse time travel" game today and I see your point 😅

    • @Alice_Sweicrowe
      @Alice_Sweicrowe Před 2 dny +24

      ​@@AgentLeonI bought it yesterday, check.

    • @dizzo95
      @dizzo95 Před 2 dny +7

      talk about spooky...you allegedly wrote that comment two days before this video was posted?.. 39 minutes ago......now it went back to June 3Oth 2024...how odd.

    • @handledav
      @handledav Před 2 dny

      2d ago

    • @Alice_Sweicrowe
      @Alice_Sweicrowe Před 2 dny

      @@handledav When was the video posted?

  • @subliminalvibes
    @subliminalvibes Před 2 dny +211

    Objection! I spilled _instant_ coffee onto a particle accelerator one time and it was ready to drink 5 minutes ago.

    • @Lopfff
      @Lopfff Před 2 dny +7

      That’s a Steven Wright joke

    • @cowmath77
      @cowmath77 Před 2 dny +12

      Shame on your for supporting the instant coffee industry

    • @thevikingwarrior
      @thevikingwarrior Před 2 dny +4

      So if I get diahorea, does that mean that I can eat all that cheese?

    • @user-xi7lr6oe6q
      @user-xi7lr6oe6q Před 2 dny

      Weren't they called retro microwaves? You know they work coz you don't feel like any more coffee, maybe just some old fasion cocaine

    • @michael1
      @michael1 Před 2 dny +1

      @@Lopfff Only because I said the joke when I was stood near a particle accelerator watching Desperately seeking susan

  • @paulgoogol2652
    @paulgoogol2652 Před 2 dny +25

    One does not simply ask a question on Twitter and expect answers. Only expect mental break downs.

  • @arctic_haze
    @arctic_haze Před 4 dny +133

    The New Scientist article would have a more accurate title if it was "Scientists entangle the probe qubit with an ancilla qubit and then this happens!" 😀

    • @yeroca
      @yeroca Před 4 dny +19

      "Make sure you read until the end of the article! Then like and subscribe!"

    • @CineSoar
      @CineSoar Před 2 dny +4

      "Scientists sniff T-shirts using this one weird trick."

    • @Turnipstalk
      @Turnipstalk Před 2 dny +3

      Scientists in {insert router location} have discovered this one weird trick for speeding up measurements. Click here to find out more about full qubit measurements for a price that will surprise you.

    • @Mitsoxfan
      @Mitsoxfan Před dnem

      That's when my brain would explode.

    • @yeroca
      @yeroca Před dnem

      @@Turnipstalk So that's how those scammy ads work!

  • @divest_.2759
    @divest_.2759 Před 2 dny +117

    Sabine, I’m just a teen lost in life exploring the wonders of the universe. I never would’ve thought myself to watch any videos about science but here I am now.
    Your videos bring me so much comfort and I wait for you to make a post everyday just to hear about what else you have to say. Thank you.

    • @RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq
      @RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq Před 2 dny +11

      Likewise.

    • @Iliekchoocolatye
      @Iliekchoocolatye Před 2 dny +4

      I used to scoff at people that would say scientific atheism is becoming like a religion but I don't see any other way to interpret this comment.

    • @RokeJulianLockhart
      @RokeJulianLockhart Před 2 dny +10

      @@Iliekchoocolatye That's unsubstantiated conjecture, and a really strange opinion.

    • @patrickirwin3662
      @patrickirwin3662 Před 2 dny +2

      ​@@RokeJulianLockhart a teen lost in life who finds comfort in blah blah blah
      Sounds like a religious conversion to me

    • @Absaalookemensch
      @Absaalookemensch Před 2 dny +13

      I'm 65 years old and I'm still learning every day. Sabine makes complex subjects understandable. Make a habit of learning all your life. It will be a life well spent.

  • @doublepinger
    @doublepinger Před 2 dny +29

    Man, I hate having a burrito yesterday and ending up with an existential crisis from it, tomorrow

    • @bertblankenstein3738
      @bertblankenstein3738 Před 2 dny +4

      I hate having an existential crisis today for a burrito I will eat tomorrow.

    • @doublepinger
      @doublepinger Před 2 dny +1

      @@bertblankenstein3738 true. Sad. Many such cases. Some people theorize a burrito-existential crisis duality and superposition.

    • @Mitsoxfan
      @Mitsoxfan Před dnem +2

      We don't know how bad that crisis is until it's observed. My poor commode.

  • @Melody-qf5oy
    @Melody-qf5oy Před 2 dny +13

    It literally like rewinding a video? It's not going backward in time, it's instant replay...

  • @stevesmodelbuilds5473
    @stevesmodelbuilds5473 Před 2 dny +7

    "Tonight's burrito isn't tomorrow's existential crisis." Well, unless it was too spicy... 😁

  • @politicalfoolishness7491
    @politicalfoolishness7491 Před 2 dny +115

    Thank you for keeping this one sane. We don't want Heisenberg to be more UNCERTAIN than necessary. It is a matter of PRINCIPLE.

    • @richardchapman1592
      @richardchapman1592 Před 2 dny +3

      No wonder spooky action at a distance is verified if you feed your apparatus only with particles designed to get the correct results.

    • @dougaltolan3017
      @dougaltolan3017 Před 2 dny +3

      What's "sane" about pineapple on pizza?

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 Před 2 dny +3

      @@dougaltolan3017 Or a pizza on a roof?

    • @user-mv6gm4sz5x
      @user-mv6gm4sz5x Před 2 dny +3

      And what have the physicists done for us ?
      The aqueduct : ?

    • @politicalfoolishness7491
      @politicalfoolishness7491 Před 2 dny

      @@user-mv6gm4sz5x Duck cleaning at its finest.

  • @Abmotsad
    @Abmotsad Před 2 dny +89

    "Unless you're a philosopher, then it means everything and nothing at the same time."
    As someone who studied philosophy in grad school, I can confirm this statement.
    This statement is also why I work in a woodshop now.

    • @Alice_Sweicrowe
      @Alice_Sweicrowe Před 2 dny +2

      This statement is why I studied conlangs.

    • @PeachesCourage
      @PeachesCourage Před 2 dny

      How do you isolate a particle when there are so many particles everywhere? If you took it away from it could be with the thing you house it in as an example Besides the life of a particle is a constant thing here how do you know anything from a blank slate? Well the sun did something like this well a little bit but it overwhelmed our particles and now our weather etc are affected too

    • @phyuckyu
      @phyuckyu Před 2 dny +6

      ⁠@@PeachesCourage like he said, he works in a woodshop now. why are you asking him questions lol

    • @timhaldane7588
      @timhaldane7588 Před 2 dny +2

      I too studied philosophy and got a good chuckle out of Sabine's lighthearted ribbing.

    • @rremnar
      @rremnar Před 2 dny +1

      @@PeachesCourage You make a good argument. Not even a vacuum is a true vacuum. There'd be some air or light particles, or EM particles, or other energies from the elements of its container.

  • @LLH7202
    @LLH7202 Před dnem +3

    Gregory Benford wrote a novel, "Timescape" based upon the concept of particles--tachyons--traveling into the past. It was used as a signal from the future to warn the past of an impending disaster.

  • @garetclaborn
    @garetclaborn Před 2 dny +105

    "and then you block everyone who disagrees with you and hide their comments"
    I was taking a drink Sabine!! AH MY NOSE
    lmaooo

    • @PeachesCourage
      @PeachesCourage Před 2 dny

      How do you isolate a particle and then measure it really since the activity of it belongs in huge masses Everything here on earth is particles very small isolate one and say it went someplace you can't be sure to many always everywhere the air oxygen everything else affect it

    • @ani_n01
      @ani_n01 Před 2 dny +4

      ​@@PeachesCouragewe have particle coliders auch as CERN, I recommend asking chat gpt to explain that kinds of procedures cause most of us on YT know this or that method and this or that theory but the whole answer is ofc far more complex

    • @Nick-rs5if
      @Nick-rs5if Před 2 dny

      😂

    • @croozerdog
      @croozerdog Před 2 dny

      ​@@ani_n01 do... do not recommend people go to chatgpt for science advice lmao
      its a language model, it makes pretty sentences, it'll teach you untrue details with full confidence

    • @tseikkisnelkytkaks9013
      @tseikkisnelkytkaks9013 Před 2 dny

      Don't drink cocaine through your nose.

  • @BigZebraCom
    @BigZebraCom Před 2 dny +13

    I was going to send a particle back in time-- but things got really busy at work last week and I was too busy to see it come in.

    • @Mutex30
      @Mutex30 Před 2 dny +3

      I'm going to send a particle back in time next week, but I'm a little busy today so I hope I saw it last week.

    • @geraldeichstaedt
      @geraldeichstaedt Před 2 dny +2

      I'll send a particle back in time next week, but I forgot in which branch of the past.

  • @wadewilson524
    @wadewilson524 Před 2 dny +68

    I think it’s bullshit. I just asked a particle how many fingers I’m holding behind my back and it couldn’t answer.

    • @PeachesCourage
      @PeachesCourage Před 2 dny

      How do they isolate a particle and measure it accurately if they do? I don't think either could necessarily work do you? Besides the sun recently did a spiffy job of messing with some of the earths particles recently Ugh

    • @Alice_Sweicrowe
      @Alice_Sweicrowe Před 2 dny +4

      7

    • @dwaneanderson8039
      @dwaneanderson8039 Před 2 dny

      Just because it didn't answer doesn't mean it couldn't. Never trust particles, they make up everything.

    • @philochristos
      @philochristos Před 2 dny +3

      It doesn't work unless your fingers are entangled.

    • @Alice_Sweicrowe
      @Alice_Sweicrowe Před 2 dny

      @@philochristos Doable

  • @Buchnerd_Souly
    @Buchnerd_Souly Před 2 dny +10

    i know one scientific paper about an experiment, where light was "time-reflected". It was named "Observation of time-reflection for electromagnetic waves" by Shixiong Yin, Andrea Alu, Geng Yu Xu & Emanuele Galiffi

  • @GrahamChristie-jg8sw
    @GrahamChristie-jg8sw Před 4 dny +14

    Sabine, knowing the intended audience of the New Scientist article, what would you have recommended for the headline?

    • @SabineHossenfelder
      @SabineHossenfelder  Před 4 dny +13

      Eg you can make clear in the headline that this is a claim that the scientists made rather than just stating it as a fact (which is what I did). The other thing that NS could have done is to say that the physicists arrived at a practical result by thinking about science fiction. I haven't thought about how to phrase this into a catchy headline but I think it'd have worked and it's also true.

    • @Jim-tv2tk
      @Jim-tv2tk Před 2 dny +4

      ​@@SabineHossenfelder Tell us how you really feel :)

    • @DinsDale-tx4br
      @DinsDale-tx4br Před 2 dny

      @@SabineHossenfelder New Scientist is like 'Blue Peter' for grown ups. It puts on a smiley face and presents what it thinks will excite, but not confuse too much.

  • @pilotmorgan8669
    @pilotmorgan8669 Před 2 dny +22

    I'm not even convinced time is anything more than a conscious recognition of change. There is just simply now.

    • @davemiller6055
      @davemiller6055 Před 2 dny +3

      You may be on to something.

    • @slademcbride3225
      @slademcbride3225 Před 2 dny +2

      Like eternalism? Or are you saying the past and future don’t exist, only now

    • @seriousmaran9414
      @seriousmaran9414 Před 2 dny +2

      It's change in an area, all areas can have different rates of time. Which makes the question what time is it fairly irrelevant.

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii Před 2 dny +2

      what allows that change to happen then

    • @colinbrash
      @colinbrash Před 2 dny

      You should check out the recent Theories of Everything with Fay Dowker, particularly the part where she talks about consciousness.

  • @kevin_mitchell
    @kevin_mitchell Před 2 dny +12

    You go back in time with memory, forward in time with time, and into the future with imagination.

    • @meep9873
      @meep9873 Před 2 dny +2

      You recall the past with memory. Are present when conscious. And perceive the future through intuition

  • @Code.Name.V
    @Code.Name.V Před 2 dny +1

    I love your sense of humor. Nobody makes me laugh like you do.

  • @rand0mn0
    @rand0mn0 Před 2 dny +3

    Well done. Very clear explanation of the issue without getting bogged down in T-symmetry and Entropy. Good analogy using a familiar subject, texting.

  • @gonzaloNMF
    @gonzaloNMF Před 2 dny +4

    Under Feynman point of view, aren't antiparticles in a sort of sense traveling backwards in time?

    • @ianstopher9111
      @ianstopher9111 Před dnem

      Not from what I remember; an antiparticle can be viewed as a particle travelling backward in time.

  • @Thomas-gk42
    @Thomas-gk42 Před 4 dny +10

    😂Pineapple-pizza terminated! Isn´t that similar to the quantum eraser experiment?

    • @firefighter4443
      @firefighter4443 Před 2 dny +1

      Pineapple Pizza will be recreated as many times as is necessary by us loyal pineapple on pizza loving folk. You cannot unmake that amazing combo.

    • @Techmagus76
      @Techmagus76 Před 2 dny +1

      Yes and Sabine made a nice video how that works and explained what it does and what it doesn't do.

    • @Thomas-gk42
      @Thomas-gk42 Před 2 dny

      @@firefighter4443😂

  • @user-hw8zk2rp2x
    @user-hw8zk2rp2x Před 2 dny +1

    Earlier this morning I read a long quite philosophical post in a facebook group discussing if "the universe is a game", and then watched this video about "time travelling" particles. I love the internet.

  • @vicfg8052
    @vicfg8052 Před dnem +2

    I’ve got teenage kids. The bit about sniffing T-shirts got me, now I just need a quantum washing machine.

  • @hotbit7327
    @hotbit7327 Před 2 dny +24

    Sabine: "Particles don't go into the past or into the future. Particles are simply at some position at some time..."
    Me: ""Particles don't go into the left or into the right. Particles are simply at some time at some position..."

    • @user-xi7lr6oe6q
      @user-xi7lr6oe6q Před 2 dny +1

      Sounds like you agree, in the past, maybe...

    • @geraldeichstaedt
      @geraldeichstaedt Před 2 dny +1

      I'd say that there are no particles. In 4D, it's static arcs. And how 1-dimensional is time in a quantum world at all?

    • @danielmarriott6580
      @danielmarriott6580 Před 2 dny +1

      I don't know if you intended this as a joke or actual criticism, but that section of the video felt like someone trying to fill the minimum word count on a book review and decided to get semantic on the title. I came away with the conclusion that particles are particles so the title of the story isn't scientifically accurate. I wasn't expecting it to be!

    • @larsgutsein3910
      @larsgutsein3910 Před dnem +2

      A particle is never late, nor is it early. It arrives precisely when it means to.

    • @geraldeichstaedt
      @geraldeichstaedt Před dnem +1

      @@larsgutsein3910 Heisenberg wouldn't agree.

  • @toddwasson3355
    @toddwasson3355 Před 2 dny +3

    I enjoyed this video as much today as I did yesterday.

  • @Lymedin2010
    @Lymedin2010 Před 2 dny +2

    Sabine: "Particles don't go into the past or into the future. Particles are simply at some position at some time..."
    Me: Particles don't go into the past but into the immediate future at some position.

  • @classicalmechanic8914
    @classicalmechanic8914 Před 2 dny +2

    Space-time diagrammes allow particles to travel into present and not necessarily future.

  • @skypatrol716
    @skypatrol716 Před 2 dny +3

    My co - worker asked me where the socket wrench was. I said in the past and pointed to the toolbox where i had put it yesterday.

    • @DinsDale-tx4br
      @DinsDale-tx4br Před 2 dny

      Newton's 4th Law : Things stay where they are unless some thieving chav nicks them.

  • @devalapar7878
    @devalapar7878 Před 2 dny +3

    Every measurement delivers a complete set of basis vectors. I have no idea how you would decide what was measured earlier. For example in the delayed choice experiment it doesn't matter what the apparatus measures, because the result is compatible with both measurements (interference and non interference).
    And when it comes to entanglement, particles are not individual particles, they are part of a single wave function. We can represent them separated, but that isn't what happens in reality. If it wasn't a single wave function, it could violate conservation laws.
    But most people probably have no idea what I am talking about ^^

    • @DinsDale-tx4br
      @DinsDale-tx4br Před 2 dny

      No one said that you could decide what was measured earlier. The eigenvectors are of the Operator and are not temporal in nature. I think it is a shame that the authors haven't really analysed what exactly is happening in their experiment and have merely resorted to flimsy linguistic descriptions.

  • @samedwards6683
    @samedwards6683 Před 2 dny

    Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative video. Great job. Keep it up.

  • @luismovil5341
    @luismovil5341 Před 2 dny +1

    Can you go back in time is basically just a question of can you turn back the flow of entropy.

  • @Desertphile
    @Desertphile Před 2 dny +5

    I will not believe it until I {have / will have had / will have} a note from the {future / past} telling me to buy Microsoft, Apple, and Facebook stock.

    • @moestietabarnak
      @moestietabarnak Před 2 dny +1

      buy Microsoft, Apple, and Facebook stock AND NVIDIA, or buy NORTEL in the 1990s and SELL before the crash of 2002 at $125 !
      Now you have a note from the future of this post !

  • @marosicsaba
    @marosicsaba Před 4 dny +16

    Send Particles Into the Past: Literarily the story of a 2023 movie: Aporia. :)

    • @FourthRoot
      @FourthRoot Před 2 dny +9

      Fun fact, they filmed that movie in 2024.

    • @memegazer
      @memegazer Před 2 dny

      Never seen but my conspiracy is that the future is stealing antibaryons from the past to make doomsday weapons...is that the plot?

  • @taeliantalittia612
    @taeliantalittia612 Před 2 dny +1

    That explains the dust build up in my house despite all the cleaning.

  • @towherewetravel9789
    @towherewetravel9789 Před dnem +1

    Imagine, Humans trying to send things back in time led to one big experiment ranging from observable universe, like recording all information using trillions of sensors or measurement device spread across the universe and then trying to put it all back and everything breaks apart and becomes the way it was during the first expansion of universe and this is the cycle we are stuck in forever as it will satisfy all laws we might have come across. Could be a sci-fi movie someday.

  • @Josephkerr101
    @Josephkerr101 Před 2 dny +3

    I've been talking about this idea for a while. I've been wanting it to be explored for a while. I make no assumptions about the truth of it though. But I'd been thinking more about it as more information about time crystals got out.
    All I can about is reading the past not sending information back. If we can read information from the past then we can extract even more interesting information about predictions moving forward. Even recreate historical information.
    But I always guessed an engagement would just anchor information extraction. Not allow alternations.

    • @Techmagus76
      @Techmagus76 Před 2 dny

      not sure but from your comment it seems to me that you use a strange concept of a time crystal. Do not get confused by the name all it does is to show a periodic repeating pattern of switching between 2 inner states.

    • @Josephkerr101
      @Josephkerr101 Před 2 dny

      @@Techmagus76 well I hope I can say this correctly. there seems to be potential to get an unknown amount of time in dissapative time-translation symmetry. Which to me looks like an anchor of energy in time and space. A conservation of space translation symmetry as well... I cant say for sure, but I think you could entangle it too. And I'd like to know what that entails. If even just a little bit of time manipulation, freezing or otherwise could have crazy philosophical implications and engineering potential. But again I assume nothing. I just see that there is much to explore there.

  • @KX36
    @KX36 Před 2 dny +37

    I can send particles into the past. Go on, go into the past and prove I didn't.

    • @2l84t
      @2l84t Před 2 dny +3

      Done

    • @marcobartz1879
      @marcobartz1879 Před 2 dny +5

      Take a whiff of the particles I sent into the past.
      🏃💨

    • @rpemulis
      @rpemulis Před 2 dny +5

      @@2l84t im reporting from the past and this guy is lying. i don't see him anywhere actually.

    • @hectorotero1362
      @hectorotero1362 Před 2 dny

      Yes.

    • @bertblankenstein3738
      @bertblankenstein3738 Před 2 dny +1

      I stay in the present and claim that all the junk is still here, :)

  • @patekswiss9521
    @patekswiss9521 Před 2 dny +2

    Can't believe a whole video about particles going backwards in time, and she didn't so much as mention Richard Feynman's interpretation of antiparticles.
    The "dead time" analogy is not particularly helpful. If all the second detector does is figure out particles with which spins do not yield good measurements so they can be ignored, it doesn't change the fact that those "bad" particles have impinged on the first detector or eliminate the corresponding need to wait for detector recovery.

  • @EugeneKhutoryansky
    @EugeneKhutoryansky Před 2 dny +2

    Retro-causality is one way to explain the Bell Inequality. Time travelling paradoxes are avoided because the information sent back in time consists only of random quantum outcomes, which we have no control over. Hence, it is not possible to use this phenomenon to encode useful information.

    • @dutchrjen
      @dutchrjen Před dnem

      It is one of MANY interpretations. It has no meaning unless one can prove a particle is going backwards in time. That's likely never going to be possible (a single particle going back in time has no meaning that we know of).
      "Time travelling paradoxes are avoided because the information sent back in time consists only of random quantum outcomes, which we have no control over."
      There is no information sent. Retro-causality here is just as scientifically useful as Lorentz Ether Theory. If one posits that LET should be ignored because it brings in something to explain the universe without any evidence... well then retro-causality should be ignored also because it does the same thing.
      LET, retro-causality, interpretations of QM, and whatnot are only useful in so far as they help one understand the subject matter and their extra postulates are not yet falsified.
      "Hence, it is not possible to use this phenomenon to encode useful information."
      That's because there is no information sent. There is proof of nothing.
      This falls under the no communication theorem. If there is no communication, then there is NO information sent. Communication = sending information
      Correlations are NOT sending information (useful or otherwise).
      "No-communication theorem
      In physics, the no-communication theorem or no-signaling principle is a no-go theorem from quantum information theory which states that, during measurement of an entangled quantum state, it is not possible for one observer, by making a measurement of a subsystem of the total state, to communicate information to another observer."

  • @boinger5
    @boinger5 Před 4 dny +3

    Thanks!

  • @user-bc9fe7pd9r
    @user-bc9fe7pd9r Před 4 dny +7

    You sre the definition of the most underrated gem in human history. # near Nobel laureate level educating the dark massed with your godlike knowledge. Seriously I love your work. Your like the mona Lisa of science dommunicatio

    • @jamesdriscoll_tmp1515
      @jamesdriscoll_tmp1515 Před 2 dny +1

      Domunication.
      ....
      That's the sort of thing you get, here in the comment section.
      Thank you

  • @hedles
    @hedles Před 2 dny +1

    3:52 "In quantum mechanics the idea is that the spin didn't actually have any value until you measured it."
    Is there a profound difference between the meaning of this statement and "the idea that the particle didn't actually have a spin until you measured it"?

  • @abiofficial-ws7pn
    @abiofficial-ws7pn Před 2 dny +1

    0:03 "Someone asked me this last week".
    Actually, they asked you next week.

  • @kloassie
    @kloassie Před 2 dny +3

    1:22 so let me get this straight - the particle is just a particle that doesn't know anything about time and *_therefore_* it has no direction in time? Do you mean by that that the water droplet jumping from the sea and disappearing into the clouds and thus clearly going back in time at 1:12 *_does_* know anything about time??

    • @duckling3615
      @duckling3615 Před 2 dny +1

      The particle by itself doesn't hold enough information to determine how it is travelling in time. In fact both backwards and forewards would look the same. So there is no difference. A water droplet going backwards tells us enough info by acting opposite to gravity.

    • @lowthg123
      @lowthg123 Před 2 dny

      A water droplet falling causes entropy to increase. All the gravitational potential energy gets converted to kinetic energy as it falls, then heat and small currents in the sea. As entropy increases over time, if you reversed it, it would look like it’s going back in time in that sense

    • @alexerobert9227
      @alexerobert9227 Před 2 dny

      If you see a particle going to the right, is it going backwards in time or not? but if you see rain going upwards you know for sure time is flowing backwards.

  • @victordelmastro8264
    @victordelmastro8264 Před 2 dny +3

    It's but a simulation. I've seen an equation or two that suggests you can't send particles back, only information. However, you can make some astonishing claims thereafter. Causality loops for instance.

  • @geraldeichstaedt
    @geraldeichstaedt Před 2 dny +1

    There is no macroscopic back in time. Replace plus t by minus t in a CFD, or in any other non-linear n-body system or differential equation simulation run, and you'll understand. When going back in time, physically, entropy will still increase. Well, it's even more weird than you thought. It's not like running a movie backward.

  • @pembrokeisland9954
    @pembrokeisland9954 Před 2 dny +2

    Even though this article was the usual media popularizing the real science too much, and there was no real time-travel in it, isn't there actually a way to construct an entanglement across time? Well, sort of and it's actually trivial and nothing new but, hey, since time travel is interesting: Remember how in a spacetime diagram the coordinate-axes rotate for another observer that is moving relative to you? His "forward in time" is different than yours and it partially also points to a direction that you consider to be "forwards/backwards in space". This means that if you have two entangled particles, then it's a choice of your reference frame to make them also partially "entangled across time". Of course, you still can't do anything with this, certainly not send information to past, and the setup is more about the relativity of simultaneity than time travel, but I thought it interesting.

    • @lundsweden
      @lundsweden Před 2 dny

      Damn! I wanted to use this to send lottery numbers back in time! 😢

    • @dinte215
      @dinte215 Před 2 dny

      This conundrum exists because people refuse to accept that time is a purely human invention due to our ability to remember the past and observe patterns (first it was seasons, then moons, then solar years and so on till atomic vibration clocks of today).
      To me time is a unit for measuring moments of existence not something that is tangible just because we can conveniently plot on a graph.

  • @mctow8554
    @mctow8554 Před 2 dny +12

    Yeah I can send beers into the past. Don't see me bragging about it anywhere on utube

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      @StinkyCatFarts Před 2 dny +2

      You’re right here

    • @DinsDale-tx4br
      @DinsDale-tx4br Před 2 dny

      Indeed a Bar Stool is a Time Machine. Sit upon One and take in the necessary fuel, soon you will be transported to happier days.

  • @aaronjennings8385
    @aaronjennings8385 Před 4 dny +7

    Here's my ai generated tldr
    Imagine a scenario where a single particle traveling into the past interacts with a quantum field, inducing a Noise Einstein Condensate (NEC) state.
    Noise Einstein Condensate:
    A NEC is a state of matter where a group of particles occupy the same quantum state, but with a noisy, fluctuating behavior.
    Holographic Microphone:
    The NEC state could then be manipulated to create a holographic microphone, effectively "projecting" a microphone into the past.
    The holographic microphone would not be a physical object but rather a virtual, holographic image that can detect and process sound waves.
    This virtual microphone would exist as a pattern of light and energy, allowing it to interact with sound waves in a way that is not possible with physical microphones.
    Entangled Particle:
    The single particle traveling into the past is entangled with the quantum field, meaning that its properties are correlated with the properties of the field.
    This entanglement allows the particle to influence the behavior of the quantum field, inducing the NEC state and creating the holographic microphone.
    The entanglement also means that the particle is connected to the holographic microphone, allowing it to transmit information from the past to the present.
    In this scenario, the single particle traveling into the past creates a virtual, holographic microphone that can detect and process sound waves. The particle's entanglement with the quantum field allows it to manipulate the field and create the microphone, effectively "projecting" it into the past.

  • @Vexxter
    @Vexxter Před dnem

    0:53 I just have to point out that the style of this graph and the background gives off some major weather channel vaporwave vibes

  • @Potatoman7
    @Potatoman7 Před dnem

    So glad you explained this because I was confused before seeing this video. 🤔

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    @monoamiga Před 2 dny +1

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  • @tayzonday
    @tayzonday Před dnem

    Nobody is existing in one timeframe. Each atom is in a different relativistic geodesic position in curved spacetime. I don’t need quantum physics to time travel! My feet are in the past of my head!

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  • @cefcephatus
    @cefcephatus Před dnem

    This really has the best introduction to quantum mechanics, we actually measure particles, not just probability of many particles. And you also explained that particle has it's property, we just can't observe it fast enough to talk about the absolute.
    When you were saying particles don't know which way is past or future, I somehow thought about space-time diagram in relativity. Yeah, if the universe is 4D, particle can go which ever way in coordinate time, which only says about it's speed, because perceived time is always increased.

  • @rodmitchell831
    @rodmitchell831 Před dnem +1

    Thanks so much

  • @bertblankenstein3738
    @bertblankenstein3738 Před 2 dny +1

    I'll stop restoring a Delorian and looking for a flux capacitor and some plutonium.

  • @MurderMostFowl
    @MurderMostFowl Před dnem

    I don’t understand enough about quantum mechanics to comprehend this: what is the purpose of the entanglement in this case? If you can measure the first particle and select it,then why can’t you use that particle for whatever your purpose is? Why do you need the other entangled particle in the first place? Is it because selecting it causes the first particle to be absorbed in the selection sensor or something like that?

  • @se7enTse7en
    @se7enTse7en Před dnem +1

    4:11 Thought you were talking about video game journalists there for a while.

  • @soundsoflife9549
    @soundsoflife9549 Před 2 dny

    Time is akin to temperature in that it can change relative to other bodies, but can never reverse (ie go below absolute zero).

  • @anywallsocket
    @anywallsocket Před 2 dny +1

    *indefinite causal ordering* allows for superposition of ((A causes B) + (B causes A))/root(2) as a real quantum phenomena.

  • @mariodegroote6756
    @mariodegroote6756 Před dnem

    well.. my tiny brain has no clue what just happened.... but respect for your work sabine!

  • @MarioRugeles
    @MarioRugeles Před dnem +1

    It was because of these misleading articles that I unsubscribed from NewScientist several years ago.

  • @GiantMushrooms
    @GiantMushrooms Před 2 dny +1

    If any change happens to a particle within space, then there is time. If it exists within space, and there is any change within the system, then there is time. Thus, unless you make sometime exist outside of the dimensions of space-time, there is time. Particles are no exception unless they are unaffected by the dimensions of space-time.

    • @geraldeichstaedt
      @geraldeichstaedt Před 2 dny

      There is no change in a 4D spacetime. Particles are lines. In a Hilbert space, it's some odd infinite network, again static, since time is part of the space. And in QFT, there is no classical particle at all.

    • @thomasreedy4751
      @thomasreedy4751 Před 2 dny

      What’s the point? No one said time doesn’t exist or that particles exist outside time.

  • @DanielAlvarez-sg1yd
    @DanielAlvarez-sg1yd Před dnem +1

    I seen a star with its high beams on last night aiming north

  • @Francois15031967
    @Francois15031967 Před 2 dny

    That would mean that those particle would exist in two places at the same time: the one where they are by proceeding normally along the time arrow, the other one where they are by "going back" in time, which is ludicrous.

  • @loupasternak
    @loupasternak Před 2 dny +1

    time travel is absurd on the face of it . but its fun and makes for a lots of good sci - fi

    • @Thomas-gk42
      @Thomas-gk42 Před 2 dny +1

      Yes, same about manymultiverseworlds.

  • @Luuniixo
    @Luuniixo Před dnem +1

    So direction is an emergent property?

  • @Charlie-hb9ic
    @Charlie-hb9ic Před dnem

    In 2013, I attended a brief by NARA and the rep. told us, although he wasn't supposed to tell us but they had transported one particle in time.

  • @michael1
    @michael1 Před 2 dny

    I note earlier in the paper they are saying " The protocol harnesses the mathematical equivalence between certain entanglement manipulation experiments and closed timelike curves, hypothetical worldlines that travel backward in time" - which doesn't to me suggest they are saying they send particles back in time - and indeed they call it 'hypothetical - and later in the paper they put the idea that you can "imagine" that the particle is travelling back - presumably because, as they said earlier, there's a mathematical equivalence. Maybe New Scientist put a headline that cherry picked the 'time woo woo" idea, but the paper authors stuff like ". One can imagine that the time-traveling qubit in Fig. 2(a) is flipped at T1. Hence we say that our experiment is inspired by closed timelike curves" doesn't seem to be claiming any time travel woo woo and more that it's one way of imagining what is happening and these 'closed timelike curves' have the same maths. At least my layman scanning of the paper wouldn't make me put "Scientists send particles back in time" as the headline.

  • @erikfinnegan
    @erikfinnegan Před 2 dny

    Amazing real life comparisons. Sniffing my t-shirt will, to me, now feel like I'm an experimental physicist doing quantum mechanical measurements.

  • @davidheaps3336
    @davidheaps3336 Před 2 dny +2

    When discussing time at the level of particles there is no absolute "'time'', each particle has its own time.

    • @brandyballoon
      @brandyballoon Před 2 dny

      Part of the problem as I see it, is that it's easy to start thinking of time as a real thing. It's not. It's nothing more than an abstraction we created to describe motion. Time is defined by motion. Time is motion, they are the same thing.

  • @imconsequetau5275
    @imconsequetau5275 Před dnem

    Sabine, I wonder if all non-locality quantum effects of "entangled particle pairs" experiments are explainable simply because the particles don't have a preferred direction in time?
    They are causally connected both backwards and forwards to the point in time where they are first entangled.

  • @diamonddave2622
    @diamonddave2622 Před 2 dny +1

    I remember Cher doing extensive research in the area

    • @wally7856
      @wally7856 Před 2 dny

      Yes, I believe she was attempting to alter sound waves in the past somehow. I think she also hit a stumbling block due to the vast distances between stellar objects.

  • @ascaniosobrero
    @ascaniosobrero Před dnem

    At the beginning you pointed out an aspect of philosophy that was my take-home-lesson when I was in high school (where we had a "Philosophy" class, which actually is "History of philosophy"). You can always find a philosopher (whatever that means) who says "a", and another one who says the opposite: "-a". Now, if the value of "a" is equal to the value of "-a" (and why should one be more "valuable" or true than the other?), it means that the value of the statement "a" (and of course of "-a") is zero ("a=0")

  • @brentbentKRFP
    @brentbentKRFP Před 2 dny +1

    As somebody that's only had a single physics course I have to watch your videos often a second or third time but I love doing so. Loved the bitcoin joke at the end.

  • @testrabbit
    @testrabbit Před 2 dny

    If we can maintain an entangled state over a big enough distance that we get to using classical sublight methods and send a signal in the sense of whether or not the entangled systems stay entangled you just might be able to get a hint about what numbers to play... Either way it'd be a cool experiment.

  • @ricardodelzealandia6290

    Can you cover the effects of entanglement where the pair are in different states of time dilation?

  • @MarshallMathersthe7th

    I know time-travel is possible, both to the past and to the future. But how would one actually know they sent a particle into the past? Is it like rewinding a tape, or does the particle simply disappear to re-appear at a later time? Like growing a tree, sending it to the past, making it smaller to watching it grow again.

  • @bertblankenstein3738
    @bertblankenstein3738 Před 2 dny +1

    Came for the "Too good to be true", stayed for the comments.

  • @quantum4everyone
    @quantum4everyone Před 14 hodinami

    Thank you for again dispelling the retrocausality arguments. measurement always measures the quantum state at the moment of measurement. A very simple statement, but often, apparently, confused by many.

  • @jerrymuns
    @jerrymuns Před dnem

    It’s possible to bring an inevitable result back to its previous state simply by reversing the steps just before the moment of solidarity though the arrow of time itself hasn’t changed direction. I don’t think it’s possible to reverse entropy through.

  • @edgewaterz
    @edgewaterz Před dnem +1

    Heisenberg principle makes me annoyed because it makes it sound like the real problem is we don't have the technology to look at quantum particles without affecting them. We lack the ability to view them in their natural state. So we're just shooting in the dark when it comes to understanding how they behave.

    • @allan710
      @allan710 Před dnem

      The way it clicked for me is when you consider that the relationship of some quantities like momentum and velocity are like the relationship between a song and a musical note. If I have a sound and I play it very briefly, and I ask, which note was that, you can answer that. But if I ask which song you can't answer because the number of songs for that note are unbounded. If I play for more time and ask which note was it, suddenly there were lots of notes, you can't tell which one was but now you know the song. It is basically the relationship between frequency and location of a wave. The difference is that it is a probability wave. So the uncertainty principle is just because you have a frequency dependent quantity and one that depends on the location of the wave, and the more you spread the wave better you know the frequency and the more you concentrste, better you know the location. Basically applying Fourier, but the wave is a probability wave. I short, the uncertainty principle is fundamental, having better measurements won't change, because you can't tell which song I am singing if I just sang a single tone and stopped.

  • @TOSStarTrek
    @TOSStarTrek Před dnem

    How would you prove it?

  • @OhAncientOne
    @OhAncientOne Před 2 dny +1

    I'm having my best laugh's of the week.
    🤣🥳
    Thanks Sabine 🎉

  • @MegaUpstairs
    @MegaUpstairs Před dnem

    Is there a way that with a magnetic field we could make certain spin directions for a particle more likely than others, without measuring its current spin first? If that was possible, I think it would also be possible to create an algorithm that allows communication using entanglement.

  • @oubliette862
    @oubliette862 Před 2 dny

    I remember watching something about this at least 10 years ago. and have considered it pretty much ever since then wow, within 20 seconds the good doctor burst that bubble. it's obvious now that I've been told. this is one of the few places where someone routinely makes me feel like an utter fool. a humbling experience.

  • @D3adP00I
    @D3adP00I Před dnem +1

    Journalists have a hard time distinguishing between an undefined quantum entangled particle and retro-causality

  • @not_a_sp00k
    @not_a_sp00k Před dnem +1

    Love that Sabine refuses to say the Brilliant line about being 6x as effective.

  • @SteliosAbahapos
    @SteliosAbahapos Před 2 dny +2

    "They'd be trading Bitcoin" 😄 The whole article in a single statement!

  • @tarmaque
    @tarmaque Před 2 dny

    I used this as a premise for a Science Fiction short story about 15 years ago. (I never finished it of course.) This is a lot more technical (and accurate)(the best kind of accuracy) but I'm still proud of myself for thinking of it as a generalization.

  • @coolmind2476
    @coolmind2476 Před 2 dny

    Many years ago i saw an article that entanglement can exist between particles at different times meaning if you change one parrticle, the other changes in the past as well. Not sure if this statement is still valid?

  • @chrisbrooking
    @chrisbrooking Před dnem

    I have been wondering about the statement that single particles don't have any direction in time. Doesn't the fact that they have half lives (even though mostly extremely long) mean they do have a direction in that they eventually decay but dont un-decay?

  • @KielerInKanada
    @KielerInKanada Před 2 dny +1

    Please do an analysis of the Plasmoid Thunderstorm Generator.

  • @hukatijoy2203
    @hukatijoy2203 Před 2 dny

    Hey, so glad you are talking about that paper. I am the Third author on it. Worked on experiment setup.

  • @bakedbeings
    @bakedbeings Před 12 hodinami

    You know a particle's gone back in time when it finds itself matchmaking its own parents on pain of de-existence.

  • @kevalan1042
    @kevalan1042 Před 2 dny +1

    Sabine, what do you think of David Hoffman's claim that "spacetime is not fundamental"?