Sajid Javid on Liz Truss, Boris Johnson and The Tory Leadership Contest
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2024
- Sajid Javid is a British politician who served as Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, having previously served as Home Secretary and Chancellor of the Exchequer, amongst other leading roles.
On this episode of Leading he sits down with Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart to discuss anti-muslim hatred, competing with Rory to become Conservative Party Leader and Prime Minister, fixing the country's healthcare system, Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak's chances in the upcoming election, and much more.
What is Sajid's biggest regret from his time in politics? What barriers did he come up against in the Shamima Begum case during his time as Home Secretary? Will the NHS survive? How are politicians working to combat anti-muslim and antisemitic racism in the UK? How does Sajid maintain friendships across party lines? Was austerity the only option for the Conservatives following the financial crash?
Rory and Alastair are joined by Sajid Javid, former Home Secretary, Chancellor of the Exchequer, Secretary of State for Health, and many more cabinet positions, to answer all these questions and more.
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Episode Description
Cabinet minister in SIX different departments, this is just one of the reasons Britain just doesn't work
This podcast shows respect can be extended even where disagreement exists. I am concerned the the comments section seems increasingly not to observe the same decency.
You two are doing a great job and are much appreciated
Well observed and well said David 👏🏻
They are the same uniparty with essentially the same policies
😂 Rory failed to declare his role as chair at ‘Le Cercle’, whilst acting as a uk mp.
‘decency’ wut ?
The fact that Sajid Javid believes that the Tories deserve a second chance invalidates pretty much everything he says in the rest of the interview.
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Well he is bound to say that, he is a politician
After such a lonmg time in power soemtimes with big majority the tarck record is a disaster and plain to see.
I had never given this man the time of day, previously, so found myself very impressed in the first 50 minutes ... but all that stopped when he reverted so completely to Tory type. He had the easiest of rides from AC & RS also. No mention, whatsoever, of all the scandals - Paterson, endemic paid lobbying, PPE and all that - and, no matter what RS would like to think, the complete an utter dross that has got its feet under the Cabinet table.
Party over country. Always. They're fundamentally emotionally damaged.
Please, please, please get Dominic Cummings onto the show. This interview and the Anthony Scaramucci one made me reassess both individuals. I’m keen to understand if DC is as nuts as is made out.
Have you read any of his blogs? He’s a self regarding lunatic who thinks he is the messiah
Good idea
Yes, we need to hear from DC! the good the bad and the ugly type of questioning and probing as well.
Google Dominic Cummings Dishcast and you'll find an extensive interview with him.
Zero chance of him going anywhere near this podcast, he views both its hosts with total contempt
Outstanding interview, guys.
I used to despise Sajid.
Very impressed with his political acumen. Also, I liked his advice for running a department.
I think he’s been too long in the system. It is hard to hear him defend the Conservatives’ record.
Sajid stated a lack of banking regulations. Before the 2008 crash, both Cameron and Osbourne screamed time again for fewer regulations. After 2008 silent. When the Tories were in government they dismantled what regulations Labour brought in. That is an example of Tory's criminal disaster capitalism actions. Sajid despite the overwhelming evidence is still denying the failure of Brexit. This is yet another example of the Tories being unfit for public office. Not admitting Brexit failures makes Sajid unfit for public office.
It's not Brexit that has failed, it's the politicians for not making it work.
The only person I remember consistently warning of the impending disaster and calling for more banking regulation before the crash was Vince Cable. Labour may have been sleeping walking into that disaster but certainly, there was no great call from Conservatives for more banking regulation. There still isn't in fact.
Gordon Brown firmly believed in “the market” and financial deregulation. He implemented those policies to deregulate that in part resulted in 2008 crash.
The Conservatives dismantled the FSA that Labour had setup because it wasn’t fit for purpose.
he is no longer a politician. He doesn't need to be fit for public office. Thankfully he's gone now
Populism is a symptom of wealth inequality - that is the fundamental problem that needs addressing. Populism will continue to exist whilst wealth inequality persists and keeps getting worse.
Perhaps, but the specific trends we've seen in lockstep with new technologies does have historical precedent. The radio for example. New technologies bring new risks, and governments across the west have been largely asleep at the wheel.
Welcome to a capitalist system where a government is told what to do by big business and the media. Those peasants aren't going to keep themselves in line... well, I take that back; in Britain, the peasants actually do keep themselves in line. It's quite mind blowing.
#stockholmsyndromeuk
@@anonitachi7488hey up anonitachi,,,,you’ve just turned my head around , everything you’ve said took me back to the 2016 Referendum , for a long time the powerful and wealthy people have attempted everything to coral the working classes , suddenly along comes a Referendum which made the peasants as you call them stampede into line in order to follow the people who’d refrain from even shiting on them most of the time , I have to admit they’ve done a damn good job of wiping the floor with the have nothings ?
@@colinstephenson5386 totally agree. Another example of a 3-word slogan, ego and hate, getting the masses to goose-step in whichever direction they're pointed. They're doing it again at this moment with the ECHJ. They vote and support their own oppression, led by millionaire cowards who as you say, wouldn't even shit on them. It's maddening and fascinating, watching people so brainwashed and so stupid.
Agree to a point, Problem is a lot of the populists are the privilaged and already comfortably well off, Ignorance and Racism are bigger symptoms.
IMO, this is the best vlog of yours so far. Rishi Sunak stood up in Parliament recently and claimed that his success was proof that Britain is not racist Sajid Javid says in this interview that in Britain there IS racism in GB and gives several examples of racism he and his family have suffered from over the years, and the racial abuse he still receives online. Coming from a poor family, Sajid has enjoyed a much more remarkable career than Rishi, whose parents, despite being immigrants of Indian/African origin, settled into the professional middle class and were financially in a position to send him to a prestigious Public School. I take my hat off to this man who managed to make it to the top of two professions despite his poor muslim background.
from your wording, I'm not sure if you realise the difference between calling uk racist as a country - or racists existing within the same society; his examples show how racism was far more prevalent historically, but that doesn't make Sunak's point invalid. Contrast his father's experience with recent non-white holders of the main 5 offices of PM, Home Secretary, Foreign Secretary, Chancellor & Health Secretary for examples; Sajid himself filled 3 of them and was in the ministerial ranks for the majority of time since elected in 2010 - his Dad wasn't allowed to drive a bus
being muslim is not a background. it is a religion. in fact, Sajid never mentioned being muslim in the video as he is not. This is exactly what people mean by racism. You have conflated his heritage, being poor and being muslim which is exactly what people want to protect against. His poor asian background would have been much more appropriate to say rather than randomly throwing the word muslim in there
@@TheDPgamer I think you're being extremely harsh to try to connect the praise within the original post & racism - not least because Sajid mentioned both his poor background & the racism his father experienced as a muslim (being banned from applying to be a driver for example) - his religion is part of his background, so the wording is correct. As for the mistake of Sajid being a non-practising muslim - The conversation focuses around his father's religion - families regularly raise children within their faith, as happened with Sajid; he subsequently decided to not follow this. Assuming someone whose family came from a predominantly Muslim country, who openly discusses the nuanced differences between Islamophobia & anti-muslim hatred; isn't racism either - Is it correct for someone not of a faith, gender, or sexuality define the terminology around hate speech experienced by those who do?
Indeed I thought it was the fact he was from Pakistan that created problems becoming a bus driver. Not sure that everybody who comes from Pakistan is a Muslim any more than everybody who comes from the UK is a Christian. Interestingly though, his father did become a bus driver and his son became chancellor of the exchequer in this apparently awful racist country. @@andrewharrison7767
I would say Britain isn’t racist… but a significant minority of people in Britain are… and a few of that minority have acquired loud voices
Another great interview guys! Thank you! Savid came across well and was very open about his and his parties mistakes! Of course he isn’t going to admit that the Torys have no chance of getting in again! Has made me realise the challenges that A new Labour government will face when it happens!
As a labour man I like javid about as much as possible but only half as much as Rory. He like all Torys are too into pleasing the loonies and arseholes in the party.
Looking up their voting record is a guaranteed way to make me view the pair of them with nothing but utter loathing.
@peterclarke7240
You know how whipped voting works right...
@@gdwe1831especially the opposition day stuff they have discussed that before (on the episode about the snp opposition day stuff)
Same here . I wasnt a big fan when he was in Gvt , but compared to now he is a voice of reason in the Tory Party . He hasnt changed , but the party has .
The problem with the current Tory party is they are full to overflowing with dictators. These more moderate Tories are trying to appease them. Well we should all remember one glaringly obvious fact that you cannot appease dictators. Neville Chamberlain tried in 1939 and we all know how that went. There's a well known saying that insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over again and hoping for a different result. Well we are in that insane position right now.
I feel sure that if you had asked Javid if he still believes that Corbyn is a holocaust denier, Javid would have refused to answer the question.
Rory could never have the balls to ask that of another Tory
Or he could have just continued with the lies. He's a Tory.
He sounds much more human than when he was in power and came across well. But it’s difficult to square that with his saying that populism is the biggest threat we had and not understanding that it’s people like him who know better but went along with the madness that enabled it. He served in Johnson’s government and even supported Truss - why! I’m afraid it just comes across as supporting whoever he thinks will win. Which maybe explains why he’s now hanging out with the likes of Rory and Alastair - he knows the tables are about to change.
that’s because they pretend to be normal to get in power once there you see the real politician.
If only politicians could be as honest and thoughtful when actually in their positions it might lad to better governing
politicians will only be able to tell the truth when the majority of voters elect officials based on the bigger picture rather than their own narrow self interests.
In order to get elected they need to lie to different demographics, otherwise they'd never get a majority.
Heaven forfend we might get some decent governance. That'd never do. 😞
Party whips should be illegal in a political system that claims to be democratic. Every vote should be a free vote that is what democracy is. I'm so tired of this two party gang land politics.
Ask him about his financial dealings and how the exchequer essentially did a deal with him.
They didn't challenge him at all. Worst interview I've seen them do. Rory was pathetic
Why don't you tell us about it, if you think it is significant? Don't leave us in the dark with innuendo.
Why dont you look, its all there to see@W_Bin
Things would have been worse if it weren't for austerity.........you sir, have a glittering future in comedy
Exactly
Im failing to see how COVID spending ontop of prior spending from 2008, without change, would be better so not seeing your point.
Thats not to say austerity in the form implemented wasnt in the wrong places...etc but what he said, WRT to current financial position, is resonable.
Agree enjoyed the interview, but it was riddled with bullshit like that.
I’d like to know what solution you would have come up with. Glaringly absent from your comment is any rebuttal of Javid’s point about needing to reduce the record budget deficit left over by labour in 2010
@@samworrall6789before the financial crash of 2008, national debt was about £400 Billion, Gordon Brown PM, then led the charge to save the world banking system. quantitative easing, to save British banks, increased national debt to £800 billion by 2010. Is anybody seriously saying Labour caused the world financial crash, caused by US subprime lending? Just as nobody would say Covid was the fault of the Tories. UK national debt is three times higher than 2010, nearly 99% of GDP, £2640 Billion, £400 billion of that due to Covid.
Who thinks the Tories are good at managing the economy. As the Tories constantly repeat that a labour Minister wrote a joking note, there’s no money left, when the debt was £800 billion, how will they describe our current position?
Another great leading interview. Left me feeling similarly to when I heard Sajid (and others) on Nick Robinson's Political Thinking bbc sounds podcast. While not agreeing with all he said, he sounded like a real human being and a decent bloke, but why oh why is he (and others) not the same person when they are in office? Its one of the main issues with the party system (along with the whole 'broad church' thing, which I think can too often lead to what can be tantamount to fraud).
In Germany we have 100 000 people without health insurance. Insurance is incredibly expensive and spending per capita that is multiple times than the UK. The insurance system here is a racket.
Wow that was great! I do not agree with Sajid politically bit I am completely persuaded that he has acted wit sincerity and integrity and has tried to serve the country as best he could. What a lovely man he is.
Sajid Javid rowing back his earlier comments: part 107
Well, he wants to keep his position of influence. To do that he's positioned himself into the confluence of power.
So the report which thoroughly exonerated Jeremy Corbin of antisemitism and the several Jewish people in his constituency who spoke highly of him are to be ignored. So sad that you did not at least challenge what he said because what came across was that you all agreed..
none of them actually believe corbyn's an antisemite. Javid lies about it because corbyn would have made his rich mates pay more tax, the other two lie about it because corbyn wouldn't hold a second referendum.
Other reports exist which say the opposite. For example: "We found specific examples of harassment, discrimination and political
interference in our evidence, but equally of concern was a lack of leadership within the Labour Party on these issues, which is hard to reconcile with its stated commitment to a zero-tolerance approach to antisemitism." (Equality and Human rights commission, 2020). Finding several Jewish people in his constituency who spoke highly of him doesn't clear him of anti-semitism in the same way that having black friends doesn't mean you're not a racist. I'd like to know the report you refer to.
Yes, this was very disappointing
@@casperhiscock4871equality commission stocked by anti Muslim pro zionists
@@casperhiscock4871thank you!
If Javid is one of the most experienced tories, it says a lot. For just two years, he was MD of Deutche Bank, at the centre of the worst financial malpractice on record. He is leaving politics at the end of the year, aged 54.
He cannot see (or chooses not to see...) past the end of his nose. From any objective view, the last decade has been destructive in this country, he can cherry-pick some good points, but the country is objectively worse than it was before this government.
Other than his partisan blindness (probably he was following the party line), he seems an intelligent and thoughtful man and much more what we need vs. Truss, Johnson, Sunak etc.
How refreshing! Thank you so much for a levelled discussion, regardless of personal views.
Illuminating and open, high quality discussion. Much appreciated.
Would listen to this if it were correctly titled. Who decided to omit the word "badly" from the end of the podcast title?
😂😂😂
Absolutely fascinating. It’s great to hear intelligent, sensible and practical people. My only regret is that neither Mr Javis nor Mr Stewart became PM. A great loss to politics . I don’t wish in any way to underplay the massive contribution of Mr Campbell. Please keep going you guys.
It doesn’t matter which Tory is in charge as the tories as a party operate under an awful system.
I was never a big fan of Sajid whilst he was a minister, but listening to this interview he came across as a decent person. It's just a shame we didn't see this side of him whilst he was a minister.
Well his job is being a politician. So how he acted then is what counts
Ministers never tell the truth whilst in office.
This country is so obsessed with politeness and civility. He’s a complete POS
😂😂😂 bless
@@jimmyjohnstone5878 Exactly. Jeremy Hunt (have I misspelt?) as Health secy cut, cut and cut again and infuriated junior doctors, yet as a backbench MP later shed tears over the lack of NHS funding. Another ride on the merry-go-round and as Chancellor he is not being true to his words during his brief stint on the back benches.
What did this man do to become a Sir? I can't think of anything he has done which would justify the title!
Honestly, he was OK, but he completely lost me at, would you give the tories another 5 years. I get it the PM, and active tories have to say that. But the smug "of course", i do. This just pissed me off so much.
This country has been utterly destroyed by them, and the oh, we did all right. As a UK citizen, i can tell you. No, u bloody didn't.
There has to be acknowledgement of this before we can move on as a country. This was one of the worst governments in British history. You, my friend, were a part of it.
Thanks, Alistair, for pushing back on it a bit.
Thank you gents. Very interesting. The more of these I see the more I realise that part of our problems with the public’s relationship with our politics is because we have a ‘party line’ which tells MPs they are representing a party rather than representing the public. It’d be much healthier if our MPs were ‘allowed’ or brave enough to express themselves clearly during interviews and on This Morning or PM without fearing the whip. We didn’t vote for the whip, and it isn’t ‘the whip’ being interviewed.
I remember back in 2010-15 being so frustrated that Labour failed to defend their record, allowing the Conservatives to establish the narrative of Labour economic mis-management. I think at one point Ed Milliband even conceded the point. Corbyn then further trashed Labour’s record. The Tories never do this. Labour did exactly the same after 1979. The whole country pays a high price for Labour's factionalism and idealism.
That's a good one!!!
The more moderate Tories might be relatively fine if left to themselves, but they always get outvoted and are dominated by their loony tune Tory right and gravitate in their direction rather than to sensible moderate Labour or LibDems who might even have closer views.
Rory, do you have any plans to have Gary Stevenson as a guest? I feel he is the most compelling economist I have heard and having you and Alastair interview him would make for a great podcast.
Sajid Javid has a weird concept about the meaning of "equality". he talks about gay marriage when his party has presided over the worst increase in wealth inequality in living memory. His party have laid the foundations of a society the Victorians would have been proud of.
I love it. _"We've done such a lot of good work, I don't know why the country is a disaster""_
- I wonder what the obvious answer to that conundrum is?
Other than that - very interesting.
Really enjoyed this. Many thanks.
Actually, quite an enlightening interview, having only heard him in politically crafted sound bites. The only disappointment is that he rolled out that tired old trope about Jeremy Corbyn being anti-semitic because of his stance against a very right wing Israeli Government.
Er.. there is a whole shed load of other incidents - in fact I didn't even know that was one of them?
Not sure if there was more then that i.e. Corbyn did have more of a prejudice, but assuming not its somewhat similar to critiques of the specific religion mentioned in this interview and how its bundled in with racism, islamophobia..etc. Its a technique to shut people down without debating the merits of their arguments.
@@robfodder5575 One example: Corbyn wrote a glowing foreword for a century-old political tract that includes antisemitic tropes.
The book, Imperialism: A Study, written by John Atkinson Hobson in 1902, claimed European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race”. Corbyn described the book as “brilliant”.
@@jeremymanson1781what other incidents
@@farzanamughal5933 One example: Corbyn wrote a glowing foreword for a century-old political tract that includes antisemitic tropes.
The book, Imperialism: A Study, written by John Atkinson Hobson in 1902, claimed European finance was controlled by “men of a single and peculiar race”. Corbyn described the book as “brilliant”.
So he subscribes to a heirarchy of racism then? 'Antisemitism' is fine but 'islamophobia' is too broad? Has he read the definition of antisemitism? Half of the points relate to the state of Israel and what you cant say about its governments foreign policy ...
Half the points relate to anti-semitism against Jews from a National perspective because that is currently the most comment form in western countries. If we still had blood libels things might be different and most of the points would be not accusing Jews of making Matzah using blood.
@@Joeshapiro7 It is very reminiscent of how criticism of Boris Johnson's government or Brexit was dismissed with - "you're anti British" or "hate Britain" - by right wing apologists.
@@greendaytomd96 I don't think so. I think that most anti-zionists are either anti-semites or somewhat naive. So it doesn't surprise me that in a party where anti-zionists were made to feel comfortable that anti-semitism would be commonplace. I think it's important to delineate a line between criticism of the Israeli government or even actions of the Israeli state which are usually legitimate and anti-zionism which is usually anti-semitic because it usually meets one of the 3 d's which are demonization of Jews, delegitimization or the holding of Jews to a double standard.
Well to be fair, the point was around language. We don’t say judaephobia for example (not sure I’ve spelt that right). I don’t agree with him on avoiding the term Islamophobia, just pointing out that his point was different
Islam is not a race though, its an ethnically diverse regressive religion...
It’s quite telling that Khan doesn’t mention Indians and Hindus by name. Anti-hindu sentiment is rife in British media but because we’re a minority within a minority it doesn’t get spoken about. I point to all the anti-modi propaganda, the silence on hindus being attacked by muslims in leicester, Indian embassy being attacked by khalistanis
Could you do an episode around independent MP’s and how their experience differs from party-affiliated MP’s? Ideally someone thats never been in a party, it would be interesting to learn how they come to terms with their role without support of a party.
Personally i think the country would benefit from a much higher percentage of MP’s that aren’t affiliated to political parties.
Ahhh, Sajid 'Non-Dom/Off-Shore Trust' Javid. Quality guest.
I definitely not a conservative voter but I always thought Javid would of been the best of a bad bunch and a good leader for the country
I’m no conservative supporter but he gained respect from me for very quickly stripping Shamima Begum of her British citizenship.
@@Wob-rt1scWhereas I think that making someone stateless (which in itself is illegal) was a disgusting thing to do to someone who committed an offence as a child, whether or not you consider she was groomed.
The banking system screwed up.Not the fault of Labour!!
But Bankers bankers bankers and yet no banker went to jail!
Labour, as well as the tories pre 97, should take their fair share of responsibility, not all obviously. The Tories massively deregulated the morgage market and the investment arm of the banks. Let building societies become banks, or banks could merge within them, which put peoples capital at risk. Labour created the useless FSA, and stripped the B.O.E and the other small regulators of bank supervision. They did nothing to stop or limit British banks from buying toxic sub prime morgage debt, and turned a blind eye to the massive explosion in buy to let morgages.
@@user-hu1yi8ox9z yes, they behaved exactly like the conservatives, just not fast enough for the Conservative Party opposition in Parliament at the time.
The Financial Institutions/Bankers did what they did as a result of lack of oversight and poor regulation. It wasn’t just in the UK, but that Labour government DID de-regulate financial markets and are in part responsible for the resulting catastrophe.
Labour brown deregulated the bank of England.
A very wealthy man claims not to be anti unions......right.
One of my close friends took a part time job alongside working for the NHS to teach students going into the health service at a university. He said all the head lecturers had left on his first day and he was made course leader on day one with no real experience in teaching. Inevitably him and his colleague left after a month realizing thier was no support or guidance. He said that this was the third time in a year all lecturers had left leading this course in London our capital. Low wages and bad treatment within institutions is causing this. People want to feel appreciated and supported whilst learning within new roles. All the veterans have left our education leaving a massive gap of knowledge to be passed down.
My sister in high school and said there is now not enough teachers to have sets within schools so they are in mixed sets, which means behavioral issues are ever present and it is hard to learn.
I'm not sure how he can sit there and say there are improvements has he actually spoken to people on the ground?
This is very good! Keep up the good work!
Sorry can someone explain to me why when there has been an orgy of private borrowing the public purse gets blamed for it??§
Brilliant, best one so far.❤
One of the best yet!
I wonder when the major politics parties will take note of these longer format discussions. Most of those (from across the spectrum) Raynor, Keegan and Sajid come across so much better on these vs the ‘gotcha style’ traditional media interviews. That said, I can respect podcasts such as this appeal to the more politically interested however perhaps the best format to engage those swing voters?
I really enjoyed this episode!
Thank God we’re saying it out loud here-not like the US!! I’m dual nationality US living in UK and dialogue is so much healthier here, it has been many years! Thank you for bringing this perspective; love UK - we don’t want to be USA with all its bigotry - no way no how. Do not let hate groups seep their rhetoric into our political rhetoric. It’s a way of allowing Putinesque theory into our culture. No thank you!
Similar to Canada and Australia in my experience. Not perfect at all, lots of difficulties with opportunists trying to create divisions. Let's hope for the best and stay vigilant.
I'm also a dual US/UK national living permanently in the UK and I'm not blind to the problems here but I feel exactly as you do. I'm proud to be British though I desperately want us to improve and generally i'm ashamed by the decent into madness that is the current American political system with its conspiracy theories, hatreds, lies and ĺoss of civility.
Three scoundrels of British politics.
Wow, brilliant one chaps. Really enjoyed that one.
Sajid Javid, never knew much about him,
He came across really well. Man from nothing.
Sad to see him go, but he probably sees the ship sinking and is swimming to his new island.
Hats off to him, he's put the work in, now time to get paid without the BS.
I'd do that tbh, Politics is brutal.
Well, I never realised just how much a nice, smart chap Sajid is.
Thanks for this video gents. When I watched the Covid inquiry, I wondered what Cummings meant when he called ministers "useless fuckpigs". Now I know.
Why is it that the Conservative Government 2010-2024 has found it so hard to run Government Departments, when the Labour Government 1997-2009 seem to have done this successfully and achieved so much?
In my experience working in large Global Organisations for 20 years, this often comes down to management style, lack of communication/clarity and how smart or stupid ideas are...
As a Whitehall native - yes. Yes it is. Although whilst we thought the Coalition was challenging, we had no IDEA what was coming down the track at high speed. As a civil servant, what I want from Ministers/Administrations is competence and professionalism - even bad policy is handleable if we have that.
@@user-hc2cz6uu3x good policy and good governance is the sweet spot. Sadly neither are true of the last 14 years of tory
Let's see how Kiers Labour do it. I think the second half of the term with Johnson and Truss it has been a disaster. But the first half, with Cameron and co they were trying to put back the UK on it's feet. Labour during the Blair term were lucky that they benefited from difficult choices made in the past.
It’s very frustrating to hear discussions about spending and austerity without any mention of fair taxation. A clear focus on wealth inequality would go a long way to relieving the populist pressure and racism that distorts politics in the UK, US, and across Europe.
Brilliant, thank you
Sajid, was very interesting. Balanced and reasonable, and a pity he did not make it further...
Great show, great discussion. Well done all three of you. Hopefully we can return to serious politics like this in the future.
Unbelievable that we've had 20 years of disasters with these people in power and 1 podcast has made you decide they were good.
Its all very well these Tories coming out of politics and trying to sound reasonable and honourable (and as much as I like Rory there's an element of this with him too,) they have caused and overseen incredible decline in the UK, created division to suit themselves etc etc and most importantly got up every morning and publicly defended it all and legitimised the most abhorrent decisions, actions and behaviour. They should all be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Interview Gary Stevenson please
Really interesting as always 👍
Not a real Sajid Javid fan but he comes across OK in this interview. Rory's "Where did it all go wrong?" question and Sajid's answer speak volumes for why the Conservatives and the country are in such a mess. How about 14 years of completely wrong and disastrous policies that were only ever designed to serve their own interests and not those of the country. His weak response was so much denialism otherwise how could he have possibly supported Liz Truss after serving in government with her?
glad to see a sample of positive politics
You mean three former politicians desperately trying to reinvent themselves and pretend they weren't responsible for truly mind-blowingly horrible things?
Yeah, sure.
Totally agree about Sajid’s proposal of a Royal Commission regarding health service, having spent my whole life working in NHS.
Excellent interview.
When I worked in Pakistan as an
English man I was subject to racism - surprise suprise
In Pakistan they'd get the ghastly memories of the Englishman as a colonial tyrant, who broke their fingers and burnt their homes while sporadic phases of British tyrannical colonialism
Great insights!
Cracking good interview!
One of the most inept tories ever and thats quite an achievement
Fabulous discussion
Enjoyed listening to the debate!
Sajid stating levelling up motivated him.
The fact he believed the Tories were ever in favour of levelling up is yet another example of him being totally unfit for public office.
The Tory's government track record over many, many decades speaks for itself. It's naive to believe the Tories would ever do anything else but line their own pockets.
This podcast needs a Jamie. You can't just be having politicians reel off a bunch of unchecked bollox like Javid did when asked about 14 years of Conservative rule.
The use of words meaning hatred ending in -phobia are entirely inaccurate. When someone has a phobia, they have an unconsicous negative response to a stimulus, for example heights. You don't choose to make your heart beat faster or your vision blur when you are on a high place. It's unconsious. Hating Muslims is not a phobia. It's not unconscious. So while Javid did not use this as justification, he is correct that those who discriminate against Muslim people are guilty of anti-Muslim hatred, not Islamaphobia.
12:57 Rory experiences a real glitch 😂
Lol I was waiting for it....ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba computer shuts down lol
Rudest way to get attention yet.
@@AliDixon95 is calling an adult stranger “a child” really the language of the high ground?
Is it really a good way to enter a conversation in which you would like to be taken seriously?
@@AliDixon95 also, some basic grammar would really be nice to see from you, might help identify a point.
..or do you talk like you’re chewing on a wasp too?
"An- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an- an-, t-t-t- tell us- tell us- just just sort of to bring the lessons in who are not professional politicians." -- Rory Stewart (be sure to play at 0.25 speed).
A good interview, and it's always interesting to hear a former big hitter accepting some reality.
It's definitely worth a watch. I'm sure, when asked about Tory success and defending their record, there was a slight telltale smile or grimace to indicate even he didn't quite believe what he was saying 🤔
Fascinating insight into the way Sajid Javid thinks - he certainly came over as a lot more interesting and thoughtful than he did as a minister. I do think he is a man of honour though as he did resign twice over matters of principle - even though he and I are poles apart in our politics.
I'm glad you asked him about him about the Begum case.
Encouraging to hear him uncovering the truth of the last lot of governments. Why the hell did he join the Tory party with all those weak, unprincipled people and racist stirring. His accepting a knighthood from such a party must be the answer.
We’ve done a lot on gay marriage, green measures, mental health blah blah. Afraid they didn’t follow up with their grand programme with the money and regulation to make it work. Sorry Javid, nice as you want to appear, you and the party you supported have ruined the country
@@veeday1146 yup, he is a liar. He was in it for himself, money and power
I don't believe a word Javid says. He is self-interested, pocket liner.
This interview is a good showcase to why this podcast has succeeded so well. Simply very well done, and a very good listen.
Being anti muslim is not racist. Racism is being against someone because of their race or colour. These things are not a choice. Islam is a religion and therefore is a choice that can be made by an individual of any race or colour. Unfortunately the extremists of any religion are a problem and their actions affect the view people have of others who are not extremist.
I totally after. If more politicians would talk as Sajid did on your programme we would have a better system we could believe in.
The more i watch these articulate, well presenting gentlemen (hosts and a lot of the interviewed) the more i realise that they are not willing to hold feet to the fire, and are still part of the whole sorry sytem.
Nice of the guys to wear the same clothes as on the podcast cover art behind them!
This was an interesting programme. Sajid Javid came across as a decent person with well-developed opinions supported by facts. It was only spoilt by two things: Campbell trying to score political points throughout (contrast Stewart, who asked good questions and seemed interested in the responses); and the condescending tone offered by both Campbell and Stewart once Javid was longer present (and behaving therefore like typical politicians).
On the final piece about disagreements, threats etc ... surely there's a point to be made around transparency? (Maybe Alistair and Rory could discuss this). If decisions were made and communications highlighted the reasoning behind those decisions (in a way that's not hidden in multiple page reports which most people won't see), and acknowledged the opposing views in a non-dismissive way, would that not help with some of the agro towards politicians? The whole 'party line' thing seems to me to potentially be a major stressor for MPs, designed to be defensive and therefore provoking undesirable reactions.
yes Javid it's a good job from a mid age wealthy man's perspective..but consider the renters, housing quality and affordability, London situation, islamists ghetos, failed train projects, wasted covid handling, the boats.. deluded and ego mad
Came across very well, brave as well .
Yea, running 6 Government dept. And none of these were run properly. Well done.
I love these chats!!! Great that you OPEN UP POLITITIANS' HUMANITY!!! We, the people, WANT HONESTY.we can forgive e honest mistakes, BUT NOT LIES!!!!!!!
Being a likeable person when talking candidly, as Sajid was, doesn’t necessarily them good ministers or leaders, as we found to our cost with Boris.
I just watched a documentary on FDR, and watching these three buffoons reminds me of when I got stuck in railway bar when I missed my train.
Blames populism, but it has been his party in power. Even now they won't own their failures.
Javid, whilst a Tory, always seemed to me to be genuine and a decent bloke. I'm sad he's leaving politics really. He could have made a moderate and sensible Tory PM.
Decent and sensible do not fit in the modern Tory party. And seriously, compare him to what used to pass for a decent Tory (Heseltine, Clarke) and he doesn’t measure up at all.
@@rjScubaSkiGranted they were two Statesman and I would add Dominic Grieve.
However, Javid is still a serving Tory MP and I am talking in regards to those.
I disagree with some of his views yet I believe they are, at least, his honesty held opinion.
He was a Remainer, he held a number of the office's of state without major mishap and he refused to be Boris Johnson's/ Cummings figurehead Chancellor unlike Sunak.
Very good interview
Sadly not talking about mental health is a massive issue in men in general.