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When Evil Lurks (Dead Meat Podcast Ep. 198)
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2023
- Chelsea and James discuss the very excellent & VERY graphic Argentinian horror film When Evil Lurks. (The last 20 minutes of this episode has some audio issues- nothing too obtrusive, but wanted to give you all a heads up. Thanks, and sorry!)
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Im so glad you guys covered this, its beign a HUGE hit here in Argentina (surpassing The Marvels in tickets sold).
I have some insights to add since Im from a rural argentinian town also:
Regarding accents: Argentinian spanish has that italian flavor to it, the two brothers are talking in an even more convoluted rural/provintial accent. Implication beign a lack of education.
Ezequiel Rodriguez (Pedro) described the brothers as "two peoples of the land, very simple. Almost a pair of brutes"
Regarding subtitles: They are reeeeally bad, I was actually shocked how much they left out or completly missinterpreted the meaning of the sentences. Hopefully they will come and do another pass on them.
As a side note: the original denomination for the rotten is "embichado" wich means that it has parasites or bugs inside it. They also called it "encarnado" wich can mean "incarnated" but also can mean "ingrown" (like a ingrown nail, or in this case a demon)
On the Ruiz situation, he's 100% the stereotypical argentinian landowner, always blaming the goverment, always thinking better of themselves and very classist.
Uriel's family are probably from the northern argentinian provinces, not really indigenous, but more mixed with Bolivian and Paraguayan people (judging from the accents) Indigenous people of Argentina mostly inhabit the southern provinces.
Thank you for the additional context!!
The subtitles are also really bad in Terrified! I’m a fan of both movies and I’m really sad that there’s a whole aspect of both movies that I missed because of bad translation. Can you tell me what was changed in subtitles? Only if you want to. Thank you for the context 💖
I really cant remember all since I turned them off, but I will comment again when I rewatch it!
Very good context! (I will say though, Saying a movie surpassed The Marvels is that too impressive, more so with a domestic movie lol)
@@Necrow_ProductionsI'm just happy that the "the children crave auter cinema" meme is becoming reality.
To add a bit more context on the "Rotten": the term used on spanish is "embichado", which would be when a injury on farm/rural animals is full of parasites, maggots and larvaes.
The movie did a good job of depicting that condition in humans. All the Uriel stuff was really gross.
As a Portuguese speaker I loved how "enbichado" sounded in their accent.
That makes sense given how Uriel looks in this movie.
En Rosario también es muy comun decir que estas "enbichado" cuando te agarrás un resfriado o gripe. Los bichos vendrían a ser los virus.
The doggo pictured is a French Mastiff, and that is an extremely realistic way for an attack on a small child from this breed (although they are notoriously gentle giants). The pick-up and shake method is exactly how they handle prey, and exactly how they play with toys. Makes it all the more horrifying!
yeah the attack felt so realistic, it was so disturbing! and the fact that the evil entered this famously gentle breed of dog is really unsettling. i was honestly relieved that the girl was uninjured because i was DREADING seeing that little girl’s mauled corpse 😅
I saw it coming.... miles away. Sacred the sh@t out of me anyway.
@marcrossq I think that made it more horrifying. Knowing it was going to happen, accompanied by the invisible ticking time bomb of when it would happen, built so much dread.
This is more typical of hunting breeds and sometimes any dog can do it. Get a dog amped up and give them a toy and they might do it. It’s how they “finish” their prey. I’ve seen it more job dogs than companion dogs though. Either way it’s an accurate depiction of how a dog handles their prey.
The director explained that he wanted this breed specifically because it's the same that Lionel Messi's has lol. (also the sceen was made with two dogs, one who was very lazy and another who has kinda agressive)
I’m autistic, and I’ve heard some other autistic folks not enjoy the depiction in this movie but I actually really love it. Since not listening to him or dismissing him is essentially the biggest mistake that they make. Also the moment where he “”acts normal”” is horrifying because it’s no longer him.
I’m one of those people who hates the depiction, but those bits of good are a little comforting, thanks for pointing them out. :D
@@toxicsugarart2103 this is a very sweet message, I’m glad you got some comfort out of that 💖
im also autistic and honestly in a world with The Fanatic and The Predator i cant really be upset at some rep that is clunky at times
@@Polygonyall HONESTLY….like at least here he’s just framed as a person
i'm kinda half n half on it, but i have to say the shot of him briefly glancing to his father and back is one of my favourite bits of this film.
as an Argentinian Youth, this movie was what the country currently feels like to me and so many of my friends, completely hopeless. just adults making self serving decisions, ignoring their responsibilities, blaming eachother for everything, never fixing what theyve destroyed. no one in charge knows what the hell they are doing, violence is rampant and the only thing they care about is themselves.
ruiz especially felt like that traditionalist rural old man that never listens to anyone, and only ever cares for his own property (and yeah, that very much includes his wife). the way he punches down on uriels family, acting like a tough macho man but immediately folding as soon as the demon threatens him. it just reminded me of the older men in my family so much.
and as a neurodivergent person, i feel so conflicted over jair, on the one hand it feels dehumanizing and like hes used for shock value, but i also think that the way everyone treats him is so realistic and true to my and other autistic peoples experience. i wish hed gotten more scenes as his usual self, not in a state of panic or possession, just so he could be humanized more in the eyes of the majority neurotypical audience.
I worked on the publicity for this film and saw it a few months ago. Watching it on a computer screen during the day while I was working still fucked me up. The scene with the brother in the car when he finds the mom and her son will never leave my brain. I watched it again in a theater to show some horror fan friends and I had to turn away during that scene because I needed to get it out of my brain. This movie fucks!
I love it pushes things so far though because a lot of horror movies don't have the balls to go this far with it's gore.
16:15 Yes, about the Spanish of the movie. I'm Argentinian, from Bueno Aires, and watching it in the cinema, at the beginning I also thought, "I would like to have subtitles, because there are parts that I don't quite understand. Especially the brothers." But to explain a little bit, the accent is called "Rioplatense" is the dialect of Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay. We have a lot in common with the Italian accent. That already makes it much more different from the Spanish you would be used to in North America. Besides that, the brothers are gauchos, farmers from a remote village, which has a more brute and rougher way of speaking...
SUPER glad you're covering this!
While Argentina makes some really good movies, horror is still an extremely niche genre here, so reading for the last month that "When Evil Lurks" has been receiving nothing but praises got me super excited.
It only released last week on the country and watched it on monday, and I'm so, so happy the hype was deserved.
Agregamos una cuarta estrella con esta película? 😅
@@VideoClubRandom Con la nena levantando la Copa arriba del perro
Not gonna lie when I first saw the trailer I thought it was just another psychological horror movie or something like that where it would just be dull. But I'm glad this movie was definitely more then I thought it was. And man this movie has some balls with the stuff it does.
Wow really? Only last week? I thought it had been released in early october.
@@ddenti99 in Argentina, it only released on theaters a week ago.
Dog attacks are real and scary! Some dogs definitely have the ability to drag and shake a small child with relative ease. Which makes the scene even more powerful and scary! Plus humans have been fighting off animal predators from attacking kids for thousands of years. So it's even scary on probably an instinctual level.
This movie was so great, and I love that you guys covered it! Regarding the dog, can I point out that it wasn't sudden? It was implied the dog would be involved because he was sniffing around the clothes on the floor because they wouldn't listen to the dad saying he needed to burn his clothes. It's been established at this point that animals are vulnerable to this possession and therefore dangerous. The dog won't leave the clothes alone, sniffing and pawing at them. It implies the dog will be a part of it.
They knew this. That's why they said they were expecting something to happen with the dog, as did I. It was the way it was shot and timed that made it so surprising. I know I let out an audible "oh shit!" and scared both of my cats when it happened 😂
@@jeffhelba That's so funny!
I must have misunderstood them, then. I thought they said they weren't expecting anything to happen to the dog. Oops 🤷♀️ lol
I'm Argentinian and I'd like to touch on what you said about the phenomenon being something that is surprising to the characters but not impossible. When I saw the film, that immediately reminded me of the magical realism genre (García Márquez's works are the prime examples), which is deeply Latin American and is about worlds where fantastical elements are unusual but not impossible. To me, this movie is something like that, horrific realism maybe.
Also, about pesticides in rural Argentina: There is a horror film about that as well! It's called "Fever Dream" in English and it's based on a book by one of our greatest current authors, Samanta Schweblin. It also stars Jair's actor!
P.S.: I listened to part of this podcast while travelling through 9 de Julio Avenue, the widest avenue in the world and very iconic here!
Oh whoa, didn't know there was a Fever Dream film. Schweblin is great
My favorite part was when they told their mother about the possession and instead saying that it's something that could never happen and brushing them off she just said it's only a thing that happens in the city.
Chelsea likening Santino's head to a novelty popcorn bucket made me think a Sabrina snacking on Santino costume would kill at conventions. You could go around offering people a gooey snack.
i made the same comment when recording our podcast covering this last week! great minds!
That’s horrible and I love it
Between this and Talk To Me, I can’t believe we got 2 original take possession movies in 2023.
Yeh we had it pretty great for indie horror so far. I’m real happy about it
As someone with autism, as a kid they did exorcise me. Not for autism funny enough, but because I needed spine surgery. Definitely still a thing that happens to those of us deemed "different".
I'm also autistic and thankfully my parents weren't that Christian and just had me diagnosed with it. But to think people still do this to kids is awful.
@Colejones9505 They actually did it without my parents' permission. I didn't even tell my parents until years later. It was a pretty horrible experience, although I'm able to laugh about it now.
That's scary, glad you're OK. I don't think all Christian denominations should get painted as crazy, but the ones that go deep into faith healing are worrying.
As someone who also has autism, I cannot imagine that people would be that depraved and arrogant. My deepest condolences, my friend.
are you acoustic?
I'm positive that the ice cream Jair is eating at the end is the apple ice cream his dad was promising, especially because of the exasperated way that the dad puts it down in front of him
What was he eating in the earlier scene? They said they didn't have money for ice cream in the car, but then you see him with a popsicle? Did I miss something 😅
@@jackroberts2704 i think the red melting popsicle was foreshadowing for the blood/flesh of his grandmother he would later consume.
@@jackroberts2704it wasn't apple though. He said it was all they had
I'm gonna have to come back to this later, from the sounds of it, I DO NOT want this one spoiled.
I had to do the same haha
Also I just realized something. There is the possibility that Pedro is possessed. But you know what? I don't think Jimmy ever changed his clothes! At the very least he's got his hat the whole time!
Pedro being possessed would certainly explain his abysmal decision making...
I think it was apple ice cream at the end because it was referenced several times in the movie being Jair’s favorite!
Also I think Pedro taking his infected clothes off in the ex wife’s house is what passed it to the dog. Another example of the failures/bad choices in this movie!!
Great review! You guys have turned me on to the best horror movies!
I came here to mention the dog, as well. I think it drives home the fact that no one would listen to him. He's panicked, saying there's a problem, and he needs to burn his clothes, but they're disregarding him. The clothes continue to lay on the floor, and the dog becoming infected is a consequence. Complete failure, as you said. I'm glad someone else noticed that, lol
I am okay with the cloth scene! But the fcking school scene. Such a bad writing man. That part just messed the movie and made it 5/10
@ashman9885 It makes sense to me because he's scared for his kids and they told us the Demon can use that to manipulate him, which is what I assume happened.
As an Embalmer/ Death Investigator... I had massive sympathy watching them try to make that " Decomp Removal " with NO GLOVES !!!! AND THAT MESS!!!! 😳😳😳 They did an EXELLENT JOB with effects for this film!!! I could smell that house!!!! And I'll tell you over a 30-year career, I've seen a few dog maulings and deaths, but I have always been curious what that process looks like... you were certainly expecting something to happen with that dog, but I was completely taken off guard by that... absolutely incredible
James' face after Chelsea says its not funny that the kid is being punched was comedy Gold! haha I popped.
Yeah that grin and head nod to the camera very funny.
The thing about Ruiz's wife becoming instantly possessed after Ruiz shoots the demon goat I think makes more sense than what I originally assumed happened haha
I thought that in that scene his wife axes him not because she's possessed, but because she's so upset and scared that he didn't listen and went and got himself cursed by shooting the goat so she decided to kill him first and then kill herself knowing the demon or whatever would be coming after them and she'd rather take herself out first or something
That's how I read it too. Ruiz seemed like a jerk in general, so I thought he might also be a bad husband, and him not listening to her desperate plea was the thing that made her snap. I don't know if it was the directors intention to make getting possessed be so subtle, but I didn't pick up on it.
Either way works really but in any case this scene is brutal.
I read it as her making a snap decision to spare them the horror of the possession, much like someone opting to off themself after getting bitten by a zombie. I feel like both readings make sense though.
yeah, i had assumed that ruiz had become possessed after shooting the goat and his wife killed him and then herself in an almost mercy kill situation
Chelsea and James, you mentioned the two-part Creepy Kids episode of the podcast from a while back, and if you ever see this comment I just want you to know that that episode had a pretty big role in me going to college. Listening to that episode is when I realized I wanted to study film and didn't want to be stuck in my shitty retail job anymore. I even wrote about it in my college application essay, and now I'm in junior year, set to graduate with a mixed degree in film analysis. I also aced the class on horror film I took last year, partially thanks to the things I learned from you guys. So, maybe you won't see this comment, but if you do I just wanted to say thank you.
That's so amazing to hear. Thank you for sharing and we wish you all the best of luck in your future ❤️❤️
@@DeadMeat Thank you so much!
I was so frustrated when no one knew proper protocol above a basic level. Mirtha didn’t tell Pedro how to work the instrument in case of her death (l thought it was a sextant as first). Then it hit me, the cleaners are basically the CDC. Most local doctors or government can handle a flu outbreak, but they need to call in the specialists for the measles or bubonic plague. Both diseases we once a part of everyday life for previous generations, but for children now it’s history. Just like polio was for us (90’s baby here). Each generation forgets because the threat is nonexistent. Yet the CDC is always prepared for a revival.
A CDC doctor could explain to me how a vaccine is made, but I couldn’t make one if I tried. Especially in a life threatening situation. So even if Mirtha explained every step of the process to Pedro it would be a waste of time.
Also Mirtha can think rationally because she’s done this a million times, but she knows that the uninfected are more of a danger than the rotten. The only time she panics is when Pedro leaves her at the end. She’s never afraid of the children or Uriel. She acts like a trauma surgeon around them.
I kinda got covid-19 vibes from the theme. Here's a list of rules you have to follow that everybody knows but people don't take seriously and cut corners on for convenience. So we see stupid mistakes from every single character like Pedro bringing infected clothes into the house or using lights and causing the situation to continue spiraling out of control as more people get infected.
@@carlom3565I read it like that, too. The grandma saying the demons' names reminded me a lot of my mom during the pandemic. That was definitely something she would have done
@@linasayshushthat was likely when Jair got possessed - he kept repeating "Azreal."
Holy crap I was not ready for that clip of the dog biting the kid. If you wanted to know, though, the dog is Dogue de Bordeaux, which is a breed that despite its size, does genuinely have a very easy going, mellow temperament (if they're bred responsibly and raised properly, of course.)
greetings from Argentina ❤ we are really proud of this movie 🇦🇷
Es tan raro que tengamos algo bueno en el genero... Gracias Dios ahora tenemos a Rugna. 😁
I hope this director will be able to make more horror movies that push things like this.
@@John-gl6thdont rain on their parade
This is an excellent movie and I'm glad Dead Meat is covering it. It's hard to find such a well done and truly disturbing horror movie. How insidious the evil is, how there's no McGuffin that will magically solve everything, how realistically characters react to true horror, how it builds tension/expectation, etc, etc.
It does happen. My sister-in-law's kid was suddenly attacked by the family dog on her first birthday. No one saw exactly what happened but he had always been the nervous type and our guess is that she somehow caught him by surprised and he snapped. The baby was rushed to the hospital and the dog sent to the vet to be put down. A shit day for everyone.
The mother of the children looks so much like Shelley duvall
I said the same thing!
YESSS she gave me the same desperate vibes!!
When Evil Lurks (2023) is a carnage-filled roller coaster from start to finish & I loved every minute of it.
YES, HORROR ROYAL RUMBLE 2024!!!! LETS GOOOOO!. Thank you Chelsea for going through the grueling task to create the characters again.
Chelsea definitely added to my enjoyment of the FABULOUS Fall of the House of Usher!!!! Even thiugh i didn’t know she was in it!!! That is so freaking cool as hell u go girllllllllll
I wonder what scenes they were. The pop-up party scene in episode 2 was brutal!
@@jackroberts2704 definitely gotta rewatch!!!
I've watched When Evil Lurks twice now, and I freaking loved it both times. The part w the wife and the ax, I always thought she knew the possession would pass and she was attempting to prevent that from happening. As with Ruiz shooting the goat, I agree he was reacting to the bleet from it and trigger finger twitched.
If you guys liked this, I HIGHLY recommend Terrified. I watched it one night in college when I was bored. My roommate was an RA and on duty most of the night. I didn't sleep at all that night.
It's so good to see someone else recommend Terrified!
53:00 agreed. happened to me as a little kid. dog bit my face, tore a big chunk out. he was just a medium sized dog. I imagine a bigger dog like that could definitely do bigger damage. I still have a scar from that 14 years later. I'm lucky he missed my eye.
1:07:00 - 1:08:00 most replayed moment. James' face when Chelsea said punching the kids isn't funny. 😄
Kids are generally great, but the longer you've been around bratty kids, the funnier slapping a kid gets 😂
you guys kinda skipped over it but i think it’s interesting that Mirtha and Jimi had a “relationship” when she was his teacher. it seems like another way for the director to show how adults harm children and it’s disturbing that Pedro is proud of Jimi for this (and thereby reinforcing the same disgusting norms that facilitated the relationship).
Just to clarify, she was his college professor, not teacher.
I watched this movie at the cinema last week and it was amazing, loved every second of it.
The term they use for the 'rotten' in Spanish is 'encarnado', that made me think of 'ingrown' rather than rotten, it's the same term that we use for ingrown nails or hair which can also get really nasty, but since we're talking about 'ingrown' evil here it made sense that the gross factor would be turned up to 11.
Uriel's family didn't strike me as indigenous people, they are 100% mestizos to me. Ruiz comes from a criollo family, but to me the tension between them comes from class differences, which is more prevalent in our country, rather than ethnic differences. When the brothers hear gunshots at the beginning they make a distinction between a hunter and a poacher which is also a class distinction in rural areas.
About the accent, it's called Rioplatense Spanish, but it's a variety more commonly heard in small towns of La Pampa and Buenos Aires than in the big cities.
Y también, encarnado tiene sentido como "hacerse carne en algo", literalmente el demonio se hace físico a través del poseso.
Creo que rotten es como tradujeron enbichado/abichado
Thank you Chelsea for laughing at moments in this movie, because I felt like I was losing my mind because I laughed at little Vicki dancing in the driveway after the BOOM happened, and especially at the end when that other girl got slammed by the truck door. And I thought the exact same thing about the novelty popcorn! I feel so validated. Great show. Great movie. Absolute blast.
The gore was so realistic, I was staring in open mouthed awe a good 65% of the movie
52:20- favorite thing about this scene was how we saw the demon transfer through Pedro’s bringing his contaminated clothes into the house.
I could write multiple paragraphs about this movie. There’s so much I can say about it. But to keep it simple I’ll just say, this movie was fantastic. Like many horror fans, I’ve become pretty desensitized to watching horrible things in movies, but this film somehow makes the kills and all the dramatic moments feel impactful. Both me and my girlfriend were either gasping or yelling at the screen multiple times throughout this movie.
If you haven’t seen it, go watch it!!! This movie alone makes a shudder subscription worth it.
i'm from argentina and been following you guys since forever. i'm so glad you watched this film! ironically, i was on the fence about watching it but when i saw you made an episode on it, i had to go watch it
Same here, I finally watched the film and came back to watch this episode :P I was somewhat reluctant, but I'm glad I gave it a try.
Yo también! Amo su canal y cuando vi que estaban cubriendo una peli Argentina fui corriendo a verla 😂
I saw this in the theater (I was the only one in my screening) a month before it went on Shudder. After it end, I went home and immediately emailed a request to cover it on the podcast because I had to know what James and Chelsea would think. This movie has stuck with me, it is so good.
11:55 James and Chelsea talking about their reactions to the gore and Graessle talking about hearing their reactions from the other room sounds exactly like how it played out in my house. My roommates were watching it downstairs and I heard some extremely alarmed-sounding "OH MY GOD" reactions coming from down there. (I did not know they were watching a movie and at first I thought something bad had actually happened in real life, but then one of them described the dog scene to me later and I was like "ah okay that reaction makes sense")
The dog scene I think definitely got me the most because I've been around pit bulls my whole life and am well aware of how dangerous they can be with the wrong conditioning. The thought of them flying off the handle with a kid around always sent shivers down my spine, and seeing it happen so quick and viciously on the screen messed me up.
Bringing up pitbulls as the only example is completely unnecessary. Any dog under the wrong condition can become dangerous. Stop adding to the pitbull stereotype.
Being from Mexico I figured I would be able to watch this movie with out subtitles but ten minutes in, I turned them on becuase the accents made it difficult to understand. Once I turned on the subtitles, things made way more sense.
Loved this movie! Saw it in theaters with only 6 people there and dam that dog scene had us talking to one another lol
I saw this film in theaters, and I had no clue what to expect as far as content and that scene you two were yelling about I was sitting there in silence with my mouth open in a nearly empty theater. It was nuts, lol, but I loved it.
This movie was absolutely fantastic! The dog scene probably got me the worst because I had a Mastiff for years! We seriously need more films like this!
What I don't understand is how the brother killed his ex sister-in-law, who is possessed, with his truck but doesn't become possessed himself.
He didn't use a gun
James morphing from righteous outrage immediately to radio voice is delightful. Needed that chuckle at the end, thank you all for a treat.
@32:20 James doing the hand gesture after BUSINESS is mentioned 🤣🤣
Came here to give a HUGE congrats to Chelsea being the voice of Isadora in FEH! I love FE7 and her voicing one of my faves is honestly very very surprising but man, it works so well! 💚
I WAKE UP THERE IS ANOTHER CORONACION DE GLORIA🇦🇷⭐️⭐️⭐️
1:17:23 It’s Apple ice cream! They mention it a couple of times but maybe the subtitles didn’t translate it properly!
I love this movie. I watched it a week ago and it still pops into my head from time to time.
CHELSEA I LOVE THE HOUSE OF USHER AND I WAS DELIGHTED TO LEARN THAT YOU PARTICIPATED AND CONTRIBUTED YOUR SKILLS!! I’m so happy the strike has succeeded and cheers to the dead meat team!
I still need to check that show out soon.
I was NOT expecting the mom walking in the road with the kid part. SHOOOOOOWEEE
I’m so so so SO happy you’re discussing When Evil Lurks on the podcast. I was going to see it in theaters one day and it was just taken out that day which upset me but I saw it on Shudder and I absolutely loved it!
I decided to watch this after you said you’d cover it because I did the same with Triangle and I ended up loving that movie. But this one? This messed me up 😭
Mission accomplished!
I literally did the same thing lol
Bro I texted my friend at the beginning of the video “I have a movie for us to watch together, I already know I won’t be able to watch it by myself,” and when I got the the part with the novelty popcorn bucket I texted her “actually nevermind I can’t do this one 😅”
To Chelsea & James’ point at 43:36 and 43:55, yes. Absolutely. Emphatically so.
1:10:42 I just don’t buy the rationalization for this part. This lady was begging him not to leave her alone in this room full of clearly possessed children. Like, full on screaming at him. And he knows damn well those kids are possessed. I think this came across so poorly cause of the direction. Maybe if he turned to her and said “I’ll go get that axe super quick, and be right back,” it would make more sense. But dude just sauntered over there, all while the lady is STILL YELLING at him to not leave her alone. And by the time he finally gets there, the door instantly gets locked, and it just came off as inexplicably dumb. He’s with this lady who knows so much more about this evil than him, is the only one who can properly kill this evil, and has basically been telling him what to do the entire time. But now, when they’re surrounded by possessed children, and they have the rotten right in their hands, he decides to not listen to her and RISK HER LIFE because one of these kids who already lied to him earlier is saying there might be an axe even though they’ve already got the rotten anyways and just need to flip him over? It was such a pointless and dumb moment that was only put in there to guarantee the demon would win. That whole climax needed another pass. Probably the worst part out of an otherwise fantastic movie.
I really thought I couldnt get scared/disturbed by horror movies anymore before watching this. I need to watch more non-US films
Definitely. Foreign horror films have different standards then ours and can go further with their set up or creepy situations. Japan as a good example.
Check out The Wailing
I had the pleasure of seeing this movie in theaters before it hit shudder last month. I will say this movie is by far one of the top horror movies of 2023! I was worried I wasn't going to get into because of the language barrier, but thank god they had subtitles in the movie and I was hooked. I couldn't watch the part when the dog was literally going nuts on the little girl I had to cover my eyes the whole scene because I couldn't bear to watch it. Was definitely a 10/10 movie for me!
Watched this movie specifically bc I knew you guys were covering it on the podcast, and ooooh boy, it did not disappoint! Definitely gonna stick with me for awhile
41:50 - I was under the impression the possession jumped to HIM and not the wife. The idea that if you shoot the possessed, it passes to you. So you need to kill it with something else. So because he shot the goat, it passed to HIM. His wife knew this so she had to kill him. And for safe measure, killed herself in the process. I could be very wrong.
Omg! I wasn't going crazy! There was a part in The Fall of the House of Usher that I swore I heard Chelsea. I rewound it a couple times trying to find you in the scene but couldn't. That's awesome for you, congrats!
I had two subsequent thoughts about the Pedro being possessed the whole time theory. At first, I felt it kinda lessened everything that happened b/c if he was doing all those stupid things on purpose, then it takes away from the idea that every day normal people will make these kinds of mistakes in these situations, whether they're aware it's a mistake or not (like how Chelsea was saying most people aren't heroes). But when she suggested the immunity thing and him still maybe infecting others around him, it then made me think 'what if he was asymptomatic,' like he's unconsciously spreading this disease/possession without realizing it, thinking there's no way he's been sick the whole time.
Not sure if this is a theory I fully agree is actually the case, but I wouldn't be surprised if maybe it is, b/c given everything else it makes sense.
Also idk if anyone else has pointed it out, but Jair had apple ice cream; Pedro promised him some if he helped him find the keys to Sabrina's car and wouldn’t get out of the car later b/c they couldnt find him any at the gas station. It was overall a minor detail but did come up a few times, lol.
It's so much fun to see you both so animated about your passion, horror baby !
Never Trust Children In Any Type Of Apocalypse! The first Rotten reminded me of Slither. I think with Ruiz is that he was having second thoughts but then the goat bleats and he flinches in a way that pulls the trigger. I thought Uriel's family were immigrants from one of the surrounding countries like Chile, Bolivia, Paraguay or Uruguay but it does make more sense for them to be indigenous who presently have to live on land that a rich person whose family are descended from immigrants of Italy, Germany or Spain now owns. The marking on his head reminded me of the Mark of Cain so he is cursed to know the sorrow his actions unleashed on others. Cool podcast as always y'all.
I will never forget the scene with the dog and little girl under the table for as long as I live
I'm not an expert on Argentine Spanish, but I know the main dialect there is called "Rioplatense" Spanish. There are also a lot of people from that country whose ancestors came from Italy, so they have a lot of Italian mannerisms and vocal cadence from what I've seen. These two things may or may not be related, because again, I'm no expert.
Jaime had big Waluigi energy lol
Dead Meat, I really enjoyed listening to your podcast. Even though I am 10 days late listening to it, I'm really glad I got a chance to watch it and hear it.
The director of this movie made another movie a couple years ago called ‘Terrified’ on shudder. It’s soo good. Very similar vibes. More tame than this movie a lot less gory but great double feature. Terrified then when evil lurks. Possible the same universe just different towns. Both amazing movies
The second half of this movie really lost me. Just started watching this pod, but I’m excited to see what you guys thought because I always end up seeing things in a different way after your commentary!
It's a good day when the podcast uploads ❤
bro i love this podcast
Finally! Someone else is talking about this movie!
Love the international coverage in the past months! Keep on doing them even if the strike it's over!!
I listened to half of this podcast on my way to work and had to stop it because i definitely wanted to watch it for myself. Sure didn't regret it, loved all of it, especially the ending
So happy the pod is back! Love the content, excited for the end of 2023 and the beginning of 2024 with Dead Meat 🙏🏼
I think the ice cream at the end is the apple ice cream they've been talking about 👍
I love this movie and I have to say I love the goat scene. I know it's dumb of Ruiz to shoot it, but part of my reading of that scene is that they can clearly see something we can't. The big part of it to me is that when we have the shot of the horns on his head, they don't look like goat horns.
That's what confused me at first. I had no idea why she was freaking out even after the murder-suicide. I had to look up it.
Saw this at Fantastic Fest and it's one of the few horror movies I've seen that made me feel genuinely unsafe. Regarding people not following instructions, I think people are especially likely to ignore rules if whatever catastrophe that's happening has not touched your own life yet.
I just watched it and have been thinking about some stuff. I think Pedro was getting the whispers in his head at some point and definitely at the school because of how dumb going for the Axe was. I think Jair was possessed before Pedro got there and maybe caused the dog part.
I think like Mirta, Jaime is resistant to the demons because he was around by the end 3 or 4 possessed people and he was not going crazy and he even maybe killed 1 (not sure if wife would die after). Mirta might have been right and demons could have used Pedro to get to Jaime to get to Mirta knowing they could get Pedro to want to escape with his children. That or it was just a bonus.
Depends how connected the demons are to eachother of course.
I wonder if the demon purposely kept the brother's alive and targeted their loved ones because it would end up hurting them more than simply killing them. They were directly involved with the Rotten, and the grandma says that the demon takes the most important things from you.
soy de Argentina, por favor vean está película de horror real, es asombrosa!, las escenas gore son impresionantes!, Saludos a todos 🙌🇦🇷
So I didn’t see the Ruiz’ wife killing him and then herself as an act of possession. I think she knew he was doomed after killing the goat via shot gun, she killed him to stop him from becoming possessed and then herself to prevent herself from becoming possessed. Who knows about the baby though. Idk am I the only one?
This is really one of the only good possession movies of the last 20 years, every other one is just the same hand full of premises and tropes being redone over and over again, dead mom, bone cracking noise, jump scare, jump scare, pg-13 rating, 0 deaths, jump scare, hot garbage. Top that off with the main ones (the conjuring series) glorifying documented child predators (The Warrens were legit scumbags) and it all culminates to the one of the worst sub genres in horror. This was one of the best genre films this year, and it was so refreshing to see a possession movie do something original for a change. Also, that scenc where the lady is walking down the street eating that kid's brains like a bag of chips had me dying 😆
This film and the opening to Thanksgiving both made me 😱 at certain moments.
The scream I scrum when you showed the part with the dog
We need a Benoit Blanc mystery about a Loop Group, call it "He Said/She Said"
I'm usually not the best at interpreting movies, therefore I'm quite surprised and happy my thoughts on the movie's meaning are more or less in accordance to what the director said in an interview. 😊👍
chelsea thinking that line is from the ring 🤣 no babe that’s the first orphan lol
If you guys haven’t already, y’all should add Erin from “You’re next” to horror survivor !!
You're an inspiration guys! Greetings from Greece!
This podcast doesn’t get nearly enough views
hi, as an argentinian i can say that the brothers have a countryside accent that is very common in the interior of the country, people outside the capital tend to drop the 's' and pronounce words differently and even grammatically incorrect, there is a stereoptype of these people being ignorant or uneducated
That dog part will stick with me for awhile....
Love that Hausu wall clock 👍🏼
I’d heard the bit about this being inspired by the use of pesticides in rural Argentina, but this also very much reads as a response to the pandemic. You have the break out of an infection, bureaucracy more or less fails, and the people around you can’t be trusted to do the sensible things. They’re too overcome by fear and/or self preservation. AND when they find an expert, they don’t fully listen to her, and the half measures they follow ultimately bring further consequences on the greater population.
(Commenting when only halfway through the podcast, so apologies if y’all point this out later)
Remember the dog was sniffing the dad's contaminated clothes. Which caused the dog to become possessed.
Also, what if the brother is actually the father of one of his brother's kids? I dunno if it ultimately affects the story but, my wife just pointed that out.
Dead Meat and my country, how proud! I really liked the movie, so happy that they made this high level production !
Just saw this last night. It was what a Coen Brothers horror movie would look like.