Gil's Arena BATTLES Over The Importance Of NBA 6th Men
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2024
- Gil's Arena BATTLES Over The Importance Of NBA 6th Men as Gilbert Arenas, Nick Young & The Gil's Arena Crew discuss the best NBA 6th Men of all time like Manu Ginobili & Jamal Crawford and argue if their greatness should be measured above NBA starters & if the intangibles that make them great off the bench also make them great NBA players.
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Ginobili was closing playoffs and finals games consistently
Gil’s talking crazy like Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams, and Ginobli weren’t better than 90% of the starters in the league. It’s not “more responsibility” it’s just different responsibilities.
If that were true theyd have been starters… fact of the matter is they excelled at their role off the bench bcuz they simply weren’t good enough to be starters… quit coping.
90 is high, better than maybe 50-60% of starters at their position. Which is still high
Jamal Crawford is my favorite when it comes to handles but he wasn't better than 90% of the league. None of the guys you named could consistently put up those numbers against starters which is why they were great for the bench but not always as a starter. Yes they could put up those numbers at a given time but not every game against starters like the guys that started ahead of them.
Jamal Crawford?? a polar bear in texas 😂😂
@@cristianlopez6801 Manu TOOK a backseat to win Lue and Jamal were just hire guns, instant offense off the bench, Manu is different because he could actually run an offense not just score
I'm starting to think Gil doesn't know Basketball as much as i thought
He definitely changed
Or maybe just maybe yall don’t be knowing lol
Chess not checkers. Most fans are casuals. Takes that create conversations gets the views, comments and $.
Gil knows basketball but he's definitely opinionated and biased on certain things.
@@AlexanderBraden1he wasn’t talking down on the sixth man though he was saying they don’t have to show up like the starters do. So his takes is kinda true because they have differences in responsibility.
Manu Ginobili is 251-98 as starter, and carried Argentina to a gold medal... The only reason he was one the bench was cos Pop wanted more energy and a leader off the bench that was good enough to close for the first unit and lead the second unit.
Yeah Ginobili is one of the few 6th men who really had no business being one and proved that by making multiple all star teams as a starter. He knew that too which is why at the beginning he wasn’t happy coming off the bench(his words) felt like he was better than that. Majority of 6th men especially like Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams are better served coming off the bench
@@TheKidwonda Boom! right on the money!! 6th man playing starter minutes but doesn't carry the same load as starters?? hahah
And with that being true the arguable goat coach decided to put him on the bench instead of giving him and extra few minutes and like any coach adjusting minutes for him to be on the floor when the 2nd team come one and let Tim n Parker sit. In terms of all stars I’m pretty sure pop wouldn’t bench Kobe or wade or ray or rip or ai or tmac or Vince.
Why couldn't he lead the starters? Why, when he was on the floor, he could only be a leader during the last 5 minutes of the game?
I don't understand why he didn't just start , Pop trying too hard to look smart.
Ginobili was the spurs playmaker and game closer. There's a video of doc rivers, kg, and Paul pierce talking about a game where there whole game plan was to stop ginobili! Manu could've been a starter on any team but chose to come off the bench to make the team better.
Cap
You Glazing way too hard dude.
absolutely right
Nah manu was like that played in the clutch numerous of times
@@touregarrett were you even alive when Spurs won those rings? Shut up and sit the f down.
Gil showing his mindset and why he never won a ring 💀
Because he won’t put a bench player over a starter wtf that got to do with a team accomplishment anyway
@@tylersuggs11 because there's some 6 men that are better than starters in the NBA and always has been like that.
To address your "team accomplishment" comment: that same 6 man that could be starting on 90%+ other teams is willing to sacrifice their individual achievements for the TEAM. Which is a concept that you and Gilbert can't grasp for whatever reason.
The suns have 3 "stars" on their team and guess what... Bounced. And why did they get bounced? Because they don't have a 6-8 man rotation. But hey they have KD and Beal and Booker. They don't need a bench right 🤣
@@jhawes8994 if you’re that good then you will start ,and why wouldn’t you go to the team that will start you cause starters get paid more so no I wouldn’t put a 6man over a starter
@@jhawes8994 just like Jordan Poole right
Bro it takes a lot to win a ring, everything gotta damn near go perfectly in your favor, people trip me out when they say "that's why he never won a ring" it's a organization thing bro
You can tell listening to Gil talk how much he cared about being a high scoring starter more than anything else. Dude sounds stupid.
Bruh he discredits them to hide the facts that he fail as player.
Gil Speaks From A Place That Protect Where He Excelled & Failed In The NBA…Gil (Emphasized Scoring, Individualism)…Gil Then Disregard Other Phases Within The Game…What Gil Value Mirrors The Lack of His Success
@@jeanserve619 very well-said 💯
@@jeanserve619his show entertaining though💯😭
@@Dipset415 very entertaining
Ginobili mustve did Gil dirty in the past because hes consistent with the hate
Yeah. I mean manu dont even talk nothing.
Gil hates non AAU players
As a spurs fan I would never have wanted Arenas over Ginobilli.
Prime arenas dropping 60 kobe, with duncan has rings
@@xavierb9061 tony delk drop 50 points on magic, thats how relevant that 60 points is. Still manu is flat out better than gilbert at any given day
@@joeymanny no thats stupid dont
@@xavierb9061 yes thats stupid its like comparing the greatness of a player on a one regular season game, Manu body of work and being the higher IQ player makes him more valuable than areans scoring game. Will I pick gilbert of the guys like Joh Stockton-no, rodman-no, ben wallace-no, pau gasol - no. Scoring doesnt tell you all that, Gilber stats is an empty stats because he played for a garbage team, he is in the same boat of Bradley beal, john wall and kemba walker
@@joeymannyyou sound slow asab we talkin about a 2 time all nba player and 3 time all star before the injury bruh like stop the bs and lay off the crack bruh
If this case...Wiggins making all star starter that one year is crazy asf...
Totally agree
It is lol
It was pretty insane at the time
Hella kpop fans flooded the vote after warriors sponsored kpop guy plugged him
Nick young “ you must be high” I need memes
Ginobliiiiii
Kevin McHale, Manu Ginobli and John Havlicek had NBA starter ability but were asked to come off the bench by their coaches for the best of their teams. All three of them are in the Hall of Fame. ALL were winners.
Manu W-L record(762-295)
Gilbert's Win-loss record as a Wizard was 163-194(253-299 overall). He was essentially the best player on a mediocre to below average team. I notice how an ex-player's point of view is generally influenced by what kind of NBA career they had or wish they had. Gil cares more scoring, individual accolades and money than winning games. Kenyon Martin is the only one on the player in the cast who cared about winning games and competing.
Brandon Jennings best years as a basketball player were in high school and flashes in his NBA career like when he scored 55 points in an NBA game. He played for terrible teams in the Bucks and the Pistons. McCants flamed out as an NBA player and had his best moments as a college player winning a NCAA title.
Ginobili disrespect is crazy
Yeah they tripping alil bit didn't manu win a gold medal at the Olympics?
@@GreenlightBze. For a while there Manu was behind Kobe and D-Wade👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿😮😮😮😮
@@allengreene9954no tf he wasn’t
@@Real843BabySkii. You didn’t see what Manu did to Detroit???? Come on man🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿 Manu was held back by Pop.
@@allengreene9954 bruh it was Kobe , McGrady , Ray Allen , Dwayne Wade , Allen Iverson , & Michael Redd to name some … that nigga not better than not one of them niggas wtf wrong with you ☠️
Ginobli was starter playing the 6th man , he was a playmaker and a closer , the ball was mostly in his hands at the end of the games cut the shit dawg
So Gil would rather be a starter on a terrible team , BUT HES STARTING, rather than be a 6th man on a winning team
What you expect from a dude who said he rather get the bag than win.😂
@@elijaharvinger1178who wouldn’t rather get bag than win?
He was never about winning. The man was all about his numbers.
It’s not exactly that Gil isn’t a baller and he has plenty skill. It’s just not winning skill in the pros because his game is best when he is given a green light. When he has to conform and still be efficient that’s where Gil’s game diminishes but it’s because their are some NBA teams that combine talent with scheme so all players look great ex Warriors 2015, lakers 2010, spurs entire dynasty, current nuggets, 2011 Dallas mavericks, 2004 pistons, 2007 Celtics.
I mean that was literally his career ! . He was and ALRIGHT player on a bum team .
Not all 6 men are created equal
Yeah watch toni kukoc, the dude can be a best player to any other team, he is a smart player doing sabonis or some jokic stuff before what they are now, he can play defense from 3-5 positions. He is like a earlier version of pau gasol
@@joeymanny i said 6 man
Saying manu never carried a team is crazy work. Who do you think led Argentina to beat Team USA in the olympics.....
That USA team was trash but I get it
@@tylersuggs11 put that pipe down and go look at that roster again, I see u in every reply tryna defend gilbert, u probably ain't got no iq just like him
@@tylersuggs11was allen iverson trash? Was tim duncan trash? He score 25 pts in that match. Was the pistons in 05 trash? He avg 25pts in that series.
Gils the guy that barely got into the room but now that he did he acts like he's equal to the guys who were the main event. Gil is a backseat watcher himself compared to the greats.
All star is popularity vote . All nba is where it’s at
I'm not so sure about that because the media picks all NBA. And the bench is not based off popularity its peers and coaches
@@Seven_Aint_Nine my point is all star is mid season , all nba comes after with the 65 game eligibility rule it’s a better way to rank best players
@@curtiszyr i understand now. Do you think that media bias could play a huge part into how players are ranked based on their availability for media?
Depends on the players shoes deals and markets💯I mean deaaron fox nor sabonis weren’t all stars and were top 6 in the conference at the time while lebron and AD made it and we’re play in seeds
That’s only for starters
Jamal Crawford, Lou Will and Manu Ginoblii all started at one point and cooked in both slots. But they had energy and instant offense, so they slid into that role.
Basically Gilbert saying don’t ever say manu ginobi is better than me
Ikyfl 😂😂😂
Bt he was better
@@darrellsaunders6089 soooo Gil could carry Argentina 🇦🇷?
@darrellsaunders6089 preach ppl acting like Ginobili wasn't coming off the bench dropping a dub dub with a pass between yo favorite players legs 😂😂
Ginobli is better than Gilbert. You'll never win anything with Gil he's a bozo who only cares about scoring. Ginobli led Argentina to beat team USA (including Gil's LeBoyfriend) in the Olympics. 😂😂😂
Gil be tweaking real talk.
Facts sometimes he be out there.. sometimes he be on the money
😭😭😭😭he's wildin on this one
Agreed. One could argue starters like Bruce Bowen had equal responsibility to Ginobili.
Bruh u gotta be a nigga typing like dat😂😂
If you notice Gil is truly not happy with how his career went so he discredits players.
For as loud as Gil talks h was never a net positive on a team compared to Ginobli. Never led that wizards team to more than 44 wins in a season. He has a career 253 wins to 299 losses. His teams were perennial first round exits except 1 year he made to semi (swept by Miami). Truly Gil had 3 out of this world seasons and was never truly the same after that. This is why he harps on individual success over team because he never had team success. Ginobli can say he’s in the hall of fame and Gil would never be considered for it.
Gil is drunk, calling Ginobili just a bench player is a CLUELESS take. Ginobili came off the bench but is always a closer.
Manu was a starter bro, he was asked to come off the bench…
Ginobili is my favorite player ever. Damn what Gil talkin about
Nah its depends on the team Ginobili most definitely had responsibility.
@@xavierb9061. Pop asked Him to Come Off the Bench.
@@allengreene9954 u dont have a point
@@xavierb9061. Manu wasn’t happy at first because He thought He was better than that but at the End of Games, Manu was the Spurs Closer more than Tim and Tony.
@@xavierb9061. You don’t have one Buddy. No wonder why they think Kids Today are Clueless🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿
I believe that the reason why the top 6th man on teams are usually part of the second unit is because of the first unit's system. For instance, I wouldn't put James Harden with Westbrook since they are both playmakers, which is why it made sense for Harden to come off the bench. Manu led the second unit and closed out the 4th quarter with the Spurs. These players would be starters on other teams.
The named 6 man on every NBA team can probably start on another team it’s just who is your starting five and how well they work together.
Manu Ginobili literally was an All-Star in 2005 for the Spurs and RAISED his level of play in the playoffs like 15-20% better than his regular season in a CHAMPIONSHIP RUN. Easily the teams second best player and was a FOCAL point as a playmaker in many of his best games WHEN IT MATTERED most. Sometimes a second option can be so efficient and productive that he becomes a SECRET ALL-STAR in PLAIN SIGHT. Ginobili made a third team all-NBA COMING OFF the bench in 2008 in big spurts. He wasn't a REAL bench player -- he was their second BEST player from 2005 to 2011. Sure Parker had more consistent regular seasons here and there, but his playoff production ALWAYS DROPPED, while Ginobili's often went UP. Who cares if hes not double teamed all game when he is literally scoring 21ppg on insane Shooting Percentages. in his GREAT 2005 Playoff run where he arguably was their OFFENSIVE MVP. Why did no other players raise their games to the degree of Manu in their championship runs and even in their losses? except maybe Horry in 2005 and 2007)? Manu was actually a higher volume play maker then TIm Duncan in 2005 and through Manu's prime....and was the reason the offense never went stale from 2005 to 2011. Manu was also their second best player in 2007 NBA Playoffs. Parker had a better regular season, but Manu was always sharper in the playoffs and was always more well rounded. Ginobili usually played his best against the teams where they were closely matched -- Parker was more of a first round tiger.
Manu in 2014 title run was more of a sixth man -- but even in that playoff he was their 2nd or 3rd best offensive player. So he did have a lot of responsibility from 2005 to 2014.
Manu may have been slightly below Vince and Ray from 2005 to 2007 -- but he was damn closed to them if you see him through the "second star" lens. Go look at Pierce and Ray Allens numbers when they had to play with Kevin Garnett (a similiar setup to the Spurs with Tim Duncan as their best player. Manu's numbers look great when comparing them to 2008 Ray Allen and Paul Pierce.
Ginobili was better than you Gil, stop tryna rewrite history
U crazy😮
Nah, you buggin. Ginobili was solid on a great team, Gil made a bad team competitive. Big difference
Crazy as hell 😊
@dippedinbutterprogram1132 how many rings does he have
@@FGPlusbro you comparing the spurs to the wizards be real Gil was a STARTER, GINO knew his role
A starter on a trash team doesn’t start on a good team, the main guy on a trash team is only a role player on a good team
Facts tho..look at Brunson got traded to New York and became the first option 💯
4:26 thought my video froze 😭😭😂
I could argue Manu was better than Gil himself as a player but I won’t go there. Kenyon was noticeably quiet about this topic cause he knows Gil out his fucking mind
he was fasho
Manu came off the bench for the better of the Spurs he also led his country to a gold metal that’s how good Manu is. He’s levels above everyone on the couch
Gil would be an afterthought if he didn’t open his mouth. Being the loudest in the room doesn’t mean you are the brightest.
Ginobili is in the hall of fame with 4 Rings and an Olympic gold medal, Gil is in his basement talking non sense
Gil please on this one! MANU AND LAMAR ODOM MEANT NOTHING?????
Nah having ginobili below starburst is crazy
Gil be tweaking real talk
Manu was a starter the year the spurs beat detroit in the finals and he was damn near the man on that team
Your videos are always on point, keep it going
I gotta go back and check Manu must’ve bust Gil ass he always tough on him
He did just checked the stats 8-4 against gil. where gil average 21 manu 14 but crazy how many more minutes Gil play? 10-15 mins more on average. So he wasn’t any better and just mad it takes a team for success.
Gil’s channel taught me how to debate basketball better at work 😂
I think Nicki’s right about the 6th man
Wth is this
Toni kukoc Starter, Manu starter Ben gordan, jordan clarkson starters, barbosa Tyler herro all starters this a slap to the face
According to Gill a team is only all stars and nobodies
It's fascinating to watch people that are super competitive argue. Even when they know they just said something stupid...they will stick with their point and fight to the death to try to prove it...knowing that it's wrong...but needing to defend themself and 'win' an argument...at least in their mind. These guys think if you say it louder...it makes it more true. "Oh...he said it louder...I guess it must be true then'. Also love how composed Nick is during these arguments. Dude's facial expressions and body language represent what everyone watching is thinking...it's funny as hell.
You can easily tell why Gil didn’t win a damn thing
That argument doesn't make sense when it come Ginobli, JR, Harden big shot Rob.
Team fit is more important than just having the best players on the floor. For instance, than Westbrook would have been starting.
Ginóbili from 2005 -2011 was top 3 sg on the league in the gold era of SG , Ray Allen,Vince Carter, Tmac,Kobe,Wade,Jason Terry,AI( 2 all star, 2 ALL NBA and he was a sixth man!) the Game plans in the day was doble team or Focus on Ginóbili , WTF is Gil saying , he was the principal Game creador and shot maker in the clutch.
GTFOH with that Top 3 SG BS!!!
@@touregarrettif You making ALL NBA in the SG spot , You are a top 3 sg , not excuses
He mad the 3rd team man
They wasn’t focused on him, he got off off the other guys
They definitely would double manu go back and watch. It’s the same shit with klay Thompson, the double comes too late.
It don't matter if you started or not, you were on the floor during the game, part of the 5 on the floor, you had to do the same thing. You had to either recover or sustain.
You must be high as hell😂😂😂😂
I feel like Gil saying there isn’t any real pressure on the 6th man , whatever they come in & do automatically exceeds expectations
Gil really just be rapping , you would think he had a 10 year prime the way he talk
Manu should’ve started. I love him as a 6th man but maybe he would’ve received way more props if he was starting on a team
What is Gil going on about? A 6th man on one team could easily be a starter somewhere else. Lou Will in Clippers. Westbrook can easily start over a whole lot of point guards still in the league. Manu was the same. Patty Mills moved to starting after the Spurs rebuild. Jamal could easily start for a lot of teams. 30 off the bench is a starter even if he doesn't start foe his team. Gil needs to think longer before making his takes and stop being wrong and strong.
Compare Manu’s and Gil’s 2010-2012 stat line… I chose those years because those were the last years listed for Gil as an NBA player..
All Star game isn't about the Best 24. It's the most entertaining and who the fans want to see. The All NBA is what really matters.
Swaggy took the 6th man slander to heart
Do basketball players get CTE? I know Gil wasn’t never all there but damn 😂
Give me an amazing 6th man over a 3rd option starter. I did it on cam pendleton coachin kids. Brought my 3rd best player off the bench won the chip.
What shook me is when all the hawks players made the all star that one year ridiculous!!!
Talk about kyrie cooking your clippers and your California Boyz Gil 💪🏿
Gil’s takes are so wild. First all stars are not supposed to be the best 24 because you have to fill positions and also why are ppg the only thing he ever focuses on?
So is Deshawn Stevenson better than Jason Terry? Thabo better than Harden? Whoever played in front of Manu better than him? No. 6th men are hella important.
I see what gill is saying. But i just think using Manu is a bad example. Manu coulda easily carried his own team if he had too. The spurs just had a system, anybody else i see what he’s saying. I’m not about to say Malik monk can carry his own team. He’s a great player, he coulda probably start on other teams. But you can’t say he’s better than certain stars
Manu wouldn’t face carried no team
@@JohanLWill7_ What the f are you trying to say? Are you dumb or drunk?
@@JohanLWill7_ carried team argentina to beat a team of nba all stars (nba starters), respectfully sit down.
@@picklericky03 that’s one game anything can happen in one game against one of the youngest USA rosters ever. He’s not carrying one nba team
@@JohanLWill7_ Can a former All Star and NBA Hall of Famer carry a team? Im pretty sure he can, the best team in the nba? idk . but im sure if you put him on a playi n type team or worse he can easily be the main guy
Gil tweaking on the 6th man. Any team that won the chip had at least a solid if not great 6th man
Gil talks about how ppl don’t have to bring bron down to glorify Jordan’s accomplishments but he does it with his panel of ppl.
It doesn't matter who starts the game, it matters who finishes the game. Gil dumb af on this one
What did the short-handed BUCKS "survive"? 🤔
I remember Monta was averaging 25 in GS just to get snubbed. When I saw Jeff Teague Korver and Andrew wiggins elected as all stars I was done with the all star game 😂😂
Gil funny ASF for this one..most sixth man can start anywhere else in the league
Some 6th men play starters minutes and close the game with the starting lineup like Harden in OKC. Sometimes it's a better fit when you have multiple ball handlers (pause). It's no different than coaches staggering minutes IMO.
Perfect player to contradict this entire convo Kevin McHale !
Manu is 1000% better than Gilbert, Manu is better all around, efificent scorer, clutch and defender. manu is been top 5 most efficient player in his prime, go look at it.
First of all, individual stats are a part of the equation for consideration to be an all star, but it’s completely based on voting between fans, players, and coaches. Keep in my mind the all star game is an exhibition game meant solely to entertain the fans and help grow the game and business of basketball. The idea that we should only put in the top 24 scorers is patently absurd. A guy shooting below 40% on a bottom feeder team is not automatically an all star just because he’s averaging 25+ ppg…niggaz wanna dock a player for doing what’s best for the team in order to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS which Ginobili won what 3-4 times, you can’t have it both ways. Manu could have easily averaged 25 on a bad team because he was nice as fuck and had an unguardable signature move, the Euro step, which every scorer has in their bag now.
That's a double edge sword u got guys back then like Kevin mchale that was an all-star as a 6th man 6th man of the year and an all star as a starter later in his career or even guys now like nas Reid who would b a starter at pf or c on numerous teams now had success as a 6th man and starter and possibly have all star numbers on teams like charlotte houston San an Detroit Washington not to mention those top guys that played 6th man like Manu Jamal or Lue
Gil chasing headlines as usual. 😮💨🤣
No love for SacTown only for the bay area and back down, Cali show me love....
LO was the 6th man but closed games. The closers are more important then the starters
I love Gil but he sound like a 7th grader on this take
When Gil is right, he’s right, but when he’s wrong, he is wronggggg.
Mr. "I know it all" Gil
Gil is correct! A starter and a sixth man don't have the same responsibility. Yes you need a solid sixth man. But you can't put a sixth man ahead of a starter with more responsibilities!
Lol its your first time watching NBA?? manu is spurs 2nd best player in his prime before tony reach his prime. Manu is always the right guy to play over a starter like Brent barry or speedy claxton. Same as Phil Jackson played toni kukoc over Bill wenngton or Luc Longley, Its just a style of rotation but thses sixth man such as kukoc and manu are primary players just being sixth man
02:40 Talking about Trae as if he is one of the best is why the NBA is where it is now. Trae can't defend his own man which is 50% of the game while he is a high turnovers machine but we talk about people don't like him as the main reason he's considered overrated. Teammates don't want to always cover other players defensive assignments when there's not even a rotation
Gil is always saying what the NBA is suppose to do like he owns the league. The leauge is jointly owned by the team owners. They can do what they want
Jr smith, lou williams, manu, jamal crawford are some of the best 6th men ever
This seems personal to GIL lol
That show is like shit-take after shit-take after shit-take...
Am I the only one that see nick young missing teeth😂
Carrying the team when starters ( and mostly just one or two stars ) are resting is the definition of responsibility. Manu sacrificed his starting role and helped Spurs win another ring - RESPONSIBILITY TO THE TEAM.
Love these guys are sometimes they just butt hurt
Starting a game will NEVER be more important than finishing a game Gil. It’s a lot of 6th men that finishes games. You can’t tell me that Danny Green or Bruce Bowen or Boris Diaw or Tiago Splitter (all starters for the spurs at some point) were ever more important or better than Ginobli.
Gil off the shits for this one
Would Iggy count as six man when he played in Golden State and won finals MVP
Gil has a great mindset for an individual talent but you can see why he never even came close to sniffing a championship
Ginobli is averaging 30 anywhere as anybody he want to
4:04 lmaooo