You sir, are a real hero. I've been complaining about there not being a series like this for plumbing for quite some time. I hope you make bank from CZcams for this series. I will be telling every apprentice I know about this.
To comment on that toilet picture, we don't know if the guy who laid out the rough in, was the guy who installed it; you know it bothers the installer, and they never forgot it. And they weren't allowed to fix the rough in. Been there, done that. Thank you for the lesson, it is a gift that is very appreciated.
I’m not sure if I’m still confused about this Fernco thing. It has been a subject floating around my area also. I’ve first read the full plumbing code book in the last quarter of 2017, and I must of skipped over 301.2.4 (or just too much to remember). But yes, I had many coworkers say just the same as you did, and I’ve always wondered why, and what the ASTM standard says. I still don’t know, but from the referenced standards cht. 17, it says the same as 705.10 says. ASTM c1137 is for below ground use (Fernco flexible coupling), and Fernco standard no hub coupling confirms to ASTM c1460 as for above ground use. So, no flexible coupling inside/above ground. I typically use these at plastic to Clay connections outside, and no-hubs inside (the ones with blue NSF label all pass inspections). I also noticed that 301.2.4 says “ Cast-Iron Soil Pipe, Fittings, and Hubless Couplings”, while 705.10 says “Joints Between Various Materials”. I just recently got a copy of CISPI 310 handbook, It seems to deal more with cast-iron connections. You videos greatly appreciated, it's prepping me for my c-36, I'm gonna zoom through because of you.
Much of what we do is contingent on the authority having jurisdiction. I've been on projects where the inspector has failed point of connections underground using the "Fernco" and on others where that type of connection has passed. I can't stand the connection that particular fitting provides because there is no smooth transference between piping- ever. That is a perfect scenario for sewerage back ups. Next thing you know, you have to excavate for repair/replacement. I also want to reiterate that it is you that will pass that C-36 because of your diligence in learning our trade. Good luck!!!
My pleasure! But remember, you in Texas are going off the International Plumbing C ode if I'm not mistaken. Which means there will be some differences in there. I'm very happy to have helped you out!
Sorry for the late response. Any brand that conforms to the following standards is fine; ASTM A1056, C1277, or C1540. Fernco has recently introduced some new couplings and I am looking into their testing standards. I'll keep you posted.
Check the ASTM on those and compare that to what is approved in the Code book. Standards for approved materials are located in Chapter 17 Referenced Standards. Not everything at Home Depot warrants use.
Great question. If you look at the last page of Chapter 17 in the UPC (a link is on my home page for you to check out the code via PDF), you will see a listing of standards, testing agencies, etc. All of Chapter 17 is a listing of all referenced standards.
I have been instructing plumbing for over 23 years. I got out of the field to teach full time a little over two years ago. If you wanted to know if I do online classes, the answer is not at this time, but I do have a Canvas course written and ready to go. I just need to get off my tush and commit already. I'm looking into beginning that en devour in the summer.
Do you have any other courses or any other code study material I cam follow up on as well outside of these videos just curious. I want to practice for the drawings but I could honestly use more help on them as well. Hope all is well 🙏
According to UPC Chapter 705.2.2, the coupling shall have a stop in the middle of the elastomeric gasket (rubber), a stainless steel shield that wraps around the entirety of the gasket, and bands. The stop in the middle and the outer stainless shield are both there to assist in proper seating of the two hubless pipes, preventing them from misalignment. A regular "Fernco" is just a smooth walled rubber gasket with no stop and no shield- hence allowing for separation and misalignment, which will create a serious waste backup. Apologies for not answering sooner but I just now noticed your question.
You sir, are a real hero.
I've been complaining about there not being a series like this for plumbing for quite some time. I hope you make bank from CZcams for this series. I will be telling every apprentice I know about this.
I appreciate your comment! The purpose of these videos is to help individuals like yourself succeed in the trade. Thank you again for the kind words.
To comment on that toilet picture, we don't know if the guy who laid out the rough in, was the guy who installed it; you know it bothers the installer, and they never forgot it. And they weren't allowed to fix the rough in.
Been there, done that.
Thank you for the lesson, it is a gift that is very appreciated.
I appreciate the words, and we have all done installations we wish we hadn't. But we move on and strive to do better on the next one.
i used a fernco as a trap adapter
OH GOD SHOW MERCY
Bro, nooooo.......😂
Good Stuff!
Glad you enjoyed it
I’m not sure if I’m still confused about this Fernco thing. It has been a subject floating around my area also. I’ve first read the full plumbing code book in the last quarter of 2017, and I must of skipped over 301.2.4 (or just too much to remember). But yes, I had many coworkers say just the same as you did, and I’ve always wondered why, and what the ASTM standard says. I still don’t know, but from the referenced standards cht. 17, it says the same as 705.10 says. ASTM c1137 is for below ground use (Fernco flexible coupling), and Fernco standard no hub coupling confirms to ASTM c1460 as for above ground use. So, no flexible coupling inside/above ground. I typically use these at plastic to Clay connections outside, and no-hubs inside (the ones with blue NSF label all pass inspections). I also noticed that 301.2.4 says “ Cast-Iron Soil Pipe, Fittings, and Hubless Couplings”, while 705.10 says “Joints Between Various Materials”. I just recently got a copy of CISPI 310 handbook, It seems to deal more with cast-iron connections. You videos greatly appreciated, it's prepping me for my c-36, I'm gonna zoom through because of you.
Much of what we do is contingent on the authority having jurisdiction. I've been on projects where the inspector has failed point of connections underground using the "Fernco" and on others where that type of connection has passed. I can't stand the connection that particular fitting provides because there is no smooth transference between piping- ever. That is a perfect scenario for sewerage back ups. Next thing you know, you have to excavate for repair/replacement. I also want to reiterate that it is you that will pass that C-36 because of your diligence in learning our trade. Good luck!!!
ferncos are like the sharkbites of waste
HAHAHAHAHA Yes!!!
Thank you from a Texan Apprentice
My pleasure! But remember, you in Texas are going off the International Plumbing C ode if I'm not mistaken. Which means there will be some differences in there. I'm very happy to have helped you out!
What brand do you like? Fernco question. Thank you for the videos
Sorry for the late response. Any brand that conforms to the following standards is fine; ASTM A1056, C1277, or C1540. Fernco has recently introduced some new couplings and I am looking into their testing standards. I'll keep you posted.
Fernco is sold at home depot so it must be up to code !
Check the ASTM on those and compare that to what is approved in the Code book. Standards for approved materials are located in Chapter 17 Referenced Standards. Not everything at Home Depot warrants use.
Out of curiosity, which are some examples of the approved testing agencies ? The manufacturers ?
Code section 301.2 for reference. Just interested in how new technology gets approved
Great question. If you look at the last page of Chapter 17 in the UPC (a link is on my home page for you to check out the code via PDF), you will see a listing of standards, testing agencies, etc. All of Chapter 17 is a listing of all referenced standards.
Do you do any classes
I have been instructing plumbing for over 23 years. I got out of the field to teach full time a little over two years ago. If you wanted to know if I do online classes, the answer is not at this time, but I do have a Canvas course written and ready to go. I just need to get off my tush and commit already. I'm looking into beginning that en devour in the summer.
Do you have any other courses or any other code study material I cam follow up on as well outside of these videos just curious. I want to practice for the drawings but I could honestly use more help on them as well. Hope all is well 🙏
What type of drawings are you referring? Let me know and we'll see what we can do.
@@BGsPlumbingClass the UPC drawings. The water and the waste
Honest to God, I just got got this message. I hope all is well. Did you still need anything?
What do recommend instead if you think Fernco is shit?
According to UPC Chapter 705.2.2, the coupling shall have a stop in the middle of the elastomeric gasket (rubber), a stainless steel shield that wraps around the entirety of the gasket, and bands. The stop in the middle and the outer stainless shield are both there to assist in proper seating of the two hubless pipes, preventing them from misalignment. A regular "Fernco" is just a smooth walled rubber gasket with no stop and no shield- hence allowing for separation and misalignment, which will create a serious waste backup. Apologies for not answering sooner but I just now noticed your question.
Will fernco fail?. Using it for 4 inch abs soil pipe. 11 degree bends