The closest thing we currently have to that is a 5+ hour long series Bismuth made on the A button challenge. It's a really good watch but not something I could just sit down and relax to - I had to take notes while watching it myself
The half-A-press thing just means you're already holding A going into a level, so if you're coming from an earlier level you don't need to add it to the counter
@@jaybee27Dthe time they pressed it was already counted as a full a press, but they continued to hold the a button for the rest of the run as it changes some minor things. Whenever this is needed for a strategy they count it as .5, for a variety of reasons
things of note: the actual run was ~11 hours, since 75 were spent waiting for that one platform in BitFS to slowly rise up. this glitch only happens on the Wii VC-we still don’t know how to 0xA any N64 versions
Actually, the comunity just made history THRICE. They just released Mario Builder 64, which is basically a Mario Maker mod for Mario 64 that even WORKS on original hardware. You can create your own levels, custom stars, custom everything, save levels, share those around with people. It's simply amazing, I highly suggest looking that up.
@@leonfire99That video will never become truly obsolete unless there comes a time when it isn’t super entertaining to see someone very passive aggressively explain the concept of a half a press to doubters
Only 70 stars? He beat the game and got to the credit screen not jumping once. You're basically saying "only counts if you 100% it" lol be appreciative instead of a stickler
@@velvetblueco2422 We made it to the moon, but Mars is still out of reach. It's an incredible achievement, but there is still so much more left to explore.
This video is so sweet /g, it's like listening to my grandma describe Mario 64, when my entire life has been dedicated to following the progress of the A button challenge for like 5 years or so
7:47 They found the individual pieces of Luigi's scrapped model in the code like 3 years ago and then the whole community came together to spend the day putting Luigi back together, and his model now looks great! I suggest you look it up
I always understood Speedeunning kinda like the Olympics. There are a lot of ppl that could not care less for it, but for those that do, they watch to see just how much can you push and stretch the limits of whatever you though was impossible for a human to achieve
It should be noted this was done on the Wii virtual console version, which has a few more exploits than what's available on the original N64 version. I know Bowser's 2nd level is one that was feasible on the Wii virtual console, but not the N64 version. At least the last time I checked.
Yep that's the whole thing that makes it impossible on N64. Currently! I know plush and the boys were talking squish cancels etc etc so maybe it'll happen some day.
A half A press means that the run begins with the player already holding A. So on an individual-star basis, the half press is counted as 1, but in the context of a full run, the half press is counted as 0, because the A button is just being held from an earlier press.
“Speed running is for when you’ve played through a video game so many times normally you don’t think you can play through it again.” I heard a speed runner say this and that’s what made speedrunning click in my mind.
I used to be a "Just enjoy a game... WTF" person and I still VERY much would want to speedrun anything in any serious capacity, but I enjoy watching them (especially nicely narrated) quite a lot now! Would recommend
There are no half presses in the full run, just individual levels. Due to the fact one can start or stop the press outside of the level. So essentially to make counting the total a presses for the game you count just the pressing or the releasing as .5 press. This way you will have two levels back to back, the first with the start, the second with the release with a total A presses for each being 2.5 and 5.5, add them together and you get 8 presses, which is the correct amount you would need to finish those two levels back to back. In other words: No Arlo you're remembering incorrectly, it's nothing about rounding down/up. Also no need to worry about the burnt rice, it was probably in a parallel universe ;)
love seeing arlo talk about this corner of sm64; as an avid fan of the entire community for years it's cool to see other people i enjoy also be interested in these topics. to answer your question on what's gonna happen next: there's always more improvements to be made! this was just a 70 star speedrun on wii vc; a full 120 star run currently uses 13 a presses (though a lot are not humanly viable). trying to improve existing strats to be humanly possible + trying to solve the other a presses is something that is being worked on every single day, and there's really no stopping point in sight. in terms of runners getting lower times: unless marbler wants to do more runs, it won't happen for a long time. marbler has been training for YEARS to get these strats to be humanly viable, as well as getting themself good enough at the tricks to perform them. i don't think another person could just "learn the route" and practice hard for a few days - it would take several months, or even years to get to this level. if anyone reading is interested in the history of the a button challenge, there's a FANTASTIC video/series of videos by bismuth that explains everything up until 2022 (also his other videos are goated as well). there's also tons of cool things in the other corners of the sm64 community, whether that be normal speedruns, rom hacks, content creators, etc., there's a lot of insanely cool things going on! anyway, thanks for reading my little ramble lol. sm64 is my favorite game of all time and i got excited seeing arlo speak about it. hope everyone has a good day :3
For anyone who is confused about how the half A press thing works, its not actually an issue about registering half an input or anything like that. Ill explain how it works but first I need to explain a couple of other things. First, the way I understand it is as follows. The A button has two states that it can be seen in. Pressed, or not pressed. Holding it down would obviously be one long A press until you let go. There are certain actions that need a new A press to do, like a jump. But some only need it held down ( I believe swimming faster is an example of this ) Second, there are two ways you can view playing a level or a run of the game. 1 way is a full game run, where you are playing levels back to back and counting presses through that entire playthrough. The other way is focusing on a singular level or star. Obviously when trying to discover new A press saves you'd most likely be playing it the second way, but when doing the actual attempt at the game it would be the first way. With that in mind, lets say you have a star that requires an A press. I'm not the most versed in this but I believe an example of this is some of the stars that require swimming. ( Even if this example is wrong, the idea behind it is what's more important ) Without the A button held Mario will swim very slow, making some stars require a press and hold of the A button to swim more quickly to them. Lets say for the sake of argument that our "star" requires only that singular A press in its level, the one to swim to it. If that's the case, then doesn't that mean the star would be 1 A press and that counts towards your total? Yes... kind of. In the second scenario where you are viewing the game level by level, yes, it requires an A press. However, we can take advantage of the way the game views the A buttons states. Lets say you have another level, in this case our "star" also requires 1 A press to jump at some point during the level. That also requires 1 A press, so that would also be +1 to our A press count. Meaning if you played this star then went to the next level, you would have 2 A presses correct? Not in the context of a full game run. Here is what you can do. You can do the jump in level 2 that requires an A press, continue to hold the A button all the way through collecting that star, you make your way to the first level, enter the water, and so long as you never let go of the A button, you are now fast swimming without having pressed A the second time, removing an A press from the run. So the reason some stars get hit with the 0.5 A press is because A full game run can negate the A press, but playing the level without the context of the rest of the game in mind requires 1. So what is between 0 and 1, 0.5. Obviously, if a situation were ever to occur that every single other A press in the game were saved except for the A press to swim in that one spot, then it would once again require an A press in the level to swim, since you no longer have a previous A press to leech of off. In short, you can think of 0.5 A presses as saying "In a full game run we can use a previous A press that is required in another level to not have to used it here, but if I played this level without any others first, it would still require an A press" Since it would be factually wrong to say you don't need the A button at all in the level, we can't quite call it 0 A presses, but it still doesn't have to be a "new" A press, so it can't be called 1 A press either. So long as another A press exists in the game that we can leech off of to reach the star, 0.5 A presses is how its worded. I hope my example makes sense.
I feel like a lot of challenge runs are very compatible with speed runs so it would make sense if now that the minimum has been confirmed "None at all" i'm sure people will move on to trying to speedrun it.
Speed running is so important to keeping old games in people's minds imo and Speed runners themselves usually start out as people who just want a new way to play their favorite games, since there is only so much you can do with a game vanilla style. Plus Speed runs get us back to one of the most foundational elements in gaming, competition, it is literally a evolution of arcade score systems you see in goldenage games. Speed runs allow community to form around single player games and a reason to see someone do something fresh to a game you are familiar with.
The next step would be finding an alternate route for Bowser in the Fire Sea as that raising-platform trick takes up the majority of the run’s time and can _only_ be done on the VC.
Luigi in Mario 64 will happen eventually, but I don't think there's a good way to do Arbitrary Code Execution in the game yet. But if Zelda Ocarina of Time got the Triforce% Tool Assisted Superplay a few years ago, Mario 64 will get Luigi% one day for sure.
It's unlikely that Arbitrary Code Execution will be found in SM64, but if it ever is, of course we will make a Luigi% TAS. One tricky part here though, we were able to stay off of Nintendo's radar with Triforce% because we didn't copy any assets from the Gigaleak and the Spaceworld overdump. But the key assets like the Triforce room and the Unicorn Fountain weren't in those anyway. However, Nintendo's real Luigi model WAS in the Gigaleak. It would be very difficult to convince anyone working on the project not to use it.
It should be mentioned that the fire sea pole A press had been saved in VC for a long time already but what happened recently was just the stream of it live.
Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are probably the most documented games of all time, yet we're still finding all these crazy new things about them. just goes to show how nintendo REALLY put a lot of love into those games, that we still care over 20 years later.
Im very immersed in the community for the real time A button challenge (the 0 a press run marbler did), so if anyone has any questions I can answer them!
Id imagine the next step for the 0 A button challenge (besides what Arlo mentioned) would be finding a way to beat it on original N64 hardware as currently its only possible using the version on the Wii Virtual Console version of the game
Arlo, have you seen the Triforce% run of Ocarina of Time? I wouldn’t be surprised if that kind of thing were possible in SM64. Unlocking Luigi and Yoshi and also every world from Odyssey and whatever all using an unmodified original cartridge and console.
the 3 hour video in question is just a video detailing why the invisible walls work. the door is in an 11 minute vidoe (really 5 as the other half is a thing for members.)
I understand it and love weird stuff like this, I recently watched Summoning Salts hours long video on the history and evolution of Tetris high scores. Pretty technical, nerdy, and interesting…even the way people press the buttons have techniques, and the way the controller is held for “hyper tapping”, and how the max high score on the community standard Tetris on NES is 999,999 and his after that a score needs to be either figured out manually or the number of times you max out at 999,999 are counted, or many years later a game shark “cheat” was discovered that allows the score to go up higher using a letter in place of the digits. The score is in the millions and the competition is competing trying to time the way they get the points and then figure out how to play on the Tetris kill screen to get as many points as possible when the game is throwing bricks faster than you can get them to where you want. It’s very interesting, some of them were gloves. I can’t even get 800,000 but watching the video made me give it a shot. I’m no where close but it made me appreciate Tetris gen more. But Super Mario 64 with no A button? That is very very hard to believe even with exploits. I’ll have to track down the video.
Speed running is insane. If you think about the amount of time and dedication they put into those games they probably know how to play an instrument by now.
I don't know about finding the Triforce in SM64, but they did find a way to use ACE and reprogram Ocarina of Time, within the game, to create new events that lead to the Triforce...and then some. Now that video was something to watch (should still be on SDA's channel).
7:45 Arlo, sweetie, people have already done both of those things. Luigi was found in the Nintendo Gigaleak and the Triforce was found in the Triforce Percent speedrun at SGDQ two years back.
I played the game for the first time when 3D All-Stars came out, and just 100%ed the game the other week. And yeah, the game really does hold up for being one of the very first 3D platformers. Like yeah, the camera can be a bit wonky, and there certainly are stars that are very annoying, but I really do think Super Mario 64 still holds up as a really good game!
The thing about the 0× A presses run is that it's currently only possible on the Wii VC version of the game due to some floating point rounding error that results in that platform very very slowlt rising up The og release still requires 1 A press
Mario 64's controls are absolutely amazing and still holds up to this day. The camera not so much... That was innovative when it came out, but the way it gets stuck on things so easily or how often you get in situations where the camera can be rotated 7 to the left, or 7 to the right, only to give an error beep if you want to actually make a full circle... Yeah, Banjo Kazooie fixed all those issues and later platformers, the good ones, surpassed it by miles since then. That said, we now have a full reverse engineered source code for this game, and the camera can and has been fixed into something more functional. It's just a shame speed runners can't use that one.
This reminds me of how a few years ago, a streamer named Boba found a skip in the original Metal Gear Solid during her first playthrough of the game. You should look up the Boba Skip if you haven't seen it already.
Super Mario 64 really is a special game. I have 0 nostalgia for it, I picked it up in the 3D anniversary title. I've probably played more of it then sunshine or galaxy
Super Mario 64 is an impressive, infinitely fun game that still proves time and time again how much of a masterful work it is despite its successors improving on it. It gave way to so many new design choices and directions developers could have in their games and it is absolutely impressive how it remains relatively relevant today thanks in part to romhacks, PC decompilations and recompilations and last but not least it's speedrunning scene. I mean, it's insane how much the movement and physics of this game has inspired so many people to try and beat this game as fast as possible. So many news skips, clips, jumps, feel-your-way-through moments have made a huge splash on how people play this game. I mean, people have talked about cosmic rays and how it could affect a copy of Mario 64, like what in the actual frick, man? That's insane. This game is more than a game. It's culture, tradition, history. It's incredible. Truly a game for the history books, man. The only game that can come close to this level of depth, relevancy and dedication inside and outside its world is probably Minecraft, but it's even crazier to think Mario 64 was just designed to be a really darn good game with amazing movement back in the 90s and yet people find just as much depth as a game that was designed to be everything from farming, exploration, freedom, fishing, fighting, puzzle solving, etcetera, from the early 2010s. It's just, wow, idk what to say. It's almost 30 years old and this game keeps impressing me.
Stuff like this reminds me a couple of years back when a LARGE group of people, including the runners themselves, were CONVINCED that it was impossible to beat Super Mario Odyssey in under an hour. And while I admittedly wasn't that engrossed in the high-level speedrunning scene for the game, I had a feeling that was utter baloney. If stuff like "going back through the door in Cool Cool Mountain" is still being discovered nearly 30 years after SM64's release, it seems like a huge leap in logic to assume that NOTHING else useful in a game will be discovered or updated mere years after its launch. For anyone who's curious, the Any% world record for Super Mario Odyssey today sits at 56:10.
Woah, didn't hear of this first story, cool! No A presses accomplished is huge, the door is opened is fun to see, but also, Super Mario 64 Maker! The game is in a great state at the moment!
I thought this was going to be about the romhack that turns SM64 into 3D Mario Maker. So much stuff happening in the Super Mario 64 community lately. :)
I love speedruns. From the outside, it may look like people are rushing through the game without really enjoying it, but this couldn't be further from the truth. In reality, they learn *everything* about the game in order to piece together the best possible run.
There’s still around a dozen a presses left in the 120 star run. Also I believe several stars besides the 70 from the recent run that haven’t yet been achieved RTA
I feel like smallant is a really good like starting the jump pad for a lot of people actually getting into speed running but I personally can't wait for the 4-hour tears of the Kingdom review video that I'm going to be invested in that I burn my Christmas turkey
The "playing as Luigi" one is a fun idea, but it's impossible. There's a model of Luigi in the game, but it's an incomplete model, and there's no way to access it, it's just sitting in the back files. I don't think there's any rigging for it, no animations, nothing, just an incomplete model. The MOST you could do is hack the game to switch the model of Mario with the incomplete model of Luigi, and use Mario's rigging and animations, but it wouldn't look right.
For this we need to talk about parallel universes
I hate that I understand this reference
But what is a Mario
I think that was the exact video that made Arlo burn rice. Watch for rolling rocks in 0.5 A-presses xD
"Marios! King Kooper has kidnapped the Peach and stole ma eggs!"
*Anger in Spanish
@@GameAW1 I LOVE that I understand that reference! :D
Can't wait to get so engrossed in an Arlo video that I burn my rice.
dont forget your rice
Update?
How’s the rice?
Napoleon do not burn the rice.
@@AK_804 Just a joke about the video, no rice was harmed
Pumped for a 2.5 hour Summoning Salt video about this
pannenkoek too I hope.
*Que the synth music*
*HOME - We're Finally Landing*
"This... is the history of Super Mario 64 No Jumps."
I was just thinking the same thing! This'll be so exciting to see the full documentation of.
The closest thing we currently have to that is a 5+ hour long series Bismuth made on the A button challenge. It's a really good watch but not something I could just sit down and relax to - I had to take notes while watching it myself
The half-A-press thing just means you're already holding A going into a level, so if you're coming from an earlier level you don't need to add it to the counter
It only counts for single star runs
an A press is an A press, you can’t say it’s only a half
@@jaybee27Dthe time they pressed it was already counted as a full a press, but they continued to hold the a button for the rest of the run as it changes some minor things. Whenever this is needed for a strategy they count it as .5, for a variety of reasons
@@thepokejohnny5288 they're quoting tj "henry" yoshi
things of note:
the actual run was ~11 hours, since 75 were spent waiting for that one platform in BitFS to slowly rise up. this glitch only happens on the Wii VC-we still don’t know how to 0xA any N64 versions
75?
75 hours of the 86 hour total runtime @@RoseQuartz692
Actually, the comunity just made history THRICE. They just released Mario Builder 64, which is basically a Mario Maker mod for Mario 64 that even WORKS on original hardware. You can create your own levels, custom stars, custom everything, save levels, share those around with people. It's simply amazing, I highly suggest looking that up.
I honestly thought he would talk about this at first when I clicked the video.
That's a different community.
It's also not the first Mario 64 Maker game.
Wouldn't call that exactly history, just another cool rom hack.
Watch for Rolling Rocks in Half an A Press is genuinely one of the greatest videos ever made in the history of the Internet.
Aparently that obsolete now and it can be done in 0.
@@leonfire99That video will never become truly obsolete unless there comes a time when it isn’t super entertaining to see someone very passive aggressively explain the concept of a half a press to doubters
So true 👍
The streamer beat Mario 64 with only 70 stars, there are stars that currently are impossible to obtain without A presses.
Emphasis on *currently*
Only 70 stars? He beat the game and got to the credit screen not jumping once. You're basically saying "only counts if you 100% it" lol be appreciative instead of a stickler
@@velvetblueco2422 Im saying as the means of Its not over, *not* that he didnt do shit and shouldnt be celebrated.
@@velvetblueco2422 We made it to the moon, but Mars is still out of reach. It's an incredible achievement, but there is still so much more left to explore.
@@RealDanteS01Also we made it to the moon without pressing the A button
The invisible wall video is like a drug to me. Every time the graphs start showing the “wall” my brain gets hypnotized
This video is so sweet /g, it's like listening to my grandma describe Mario 64, when my entire life has been dedicated to following the progress of the A button challenge for like 5 years or so
Nerd
A Super Mario 64 Super Mario Maker fangame was also made recently
Super Mario Builder! I can't wait to see it pulled off it to it's full potential.
Mario Maker 64 has been around for a while, if memory serves me right.
an a press is an a press. You can't say its only a half
Bro he didn't even mention that why do you want to be mad so badly 😭
@@yoissy they forget so easily the words of TJ "Henry" Yoshi
How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson, old man-
@@yoissy it is a joke !
Well, Mr. TJ "Henry" Yoshi...
7:47 They found the individual pieces of Luigi's scrapped model in the code like 3 years ago and then the whole community came together to spend the day putting Luigi back together, and his model now looks great!
I suggest you look it up
So that's how we got TTYD remake, we finally arrived in the parralel universe.
I always understood Speedeunning kinda like the Olympics. There are a lot of ppl that could not care less for it, but for those that do, they watch to see just how much can you push and stretch the limits of whatever you though was impossible for a human to achieve
Even modern games aren't safe from these speedpixel bros.
Surely it must have been Watch for Rolling Rocks that made Arlo burn his rice.
"An A press is an A press. You can't say it's only a half."
It should be noted this was done on the Wii virtual console version, which has a few more exploits than what's available on the original N64 version. I know Bowser's 2nd level is one that was feasible on the Wii virtual console, but not the N64 version. At least the last time I checked.
Yep that's the whole thing that makes it impossible on N64. Currently! I know plush and the boys were talking squish cancels etc etc so maybe it'll happen some day.
Arlo thanks for talking up TTYD all these years. 3 chapters in and loving it so far.
Who want to re-re-watch a 6h documentary about the A button challenge ?
I'm free this weekend.
I guess I know what I’m doing this weekend lol.
i cant wait until my brain is ready for another dive into that
Bismuth and Panenkoek living good right now
It's peak background video material after seeing it so many times.
Ferb, I know what we're doing today.
Loving this 2nd channel, having so many Arlo videos to go through everyday is great lmao
A half A press means that the run begins with the player already holding A. So on an individual-star basis, the half press is counted as 1, but in the context of a full run, the half press is counted as 0, because the A button is just being held from an earlier press.
“Speed running is for when you’ve played through a video game so many times normally you don’t think you can play through it again.”
I heard a speed runner say this and that’s what made speedrunning click in my mind.
I used to be a "Just enjoy a game... WTF" person and I still VERY much would want to speedrun anything in any serious capacity, but I enjoy watching them (especially nicely narrated) quite a lot now! Would recommend
Sometimes, it's fun to watch challenge videos.
There are no half presses in the full run, just individual levels. Due to the fact one can start or stop the press outside of the level. So essentially to make counting the total a presses for the game you count just the pressing or the releasing as .5 press. This way you will have two levels back to back, the first with the start, the second with the release with a total A presses for each being 2.5 and 5.5, add them together and you get 8 presses, which is the correct amount you would need to finish those two levels back to back.
In other words: No Arlo you're remembering incorrectly, it's nothing about rounding down/up.
Also no need to worry about the burnt rice, it was probably in a parallel universe ;)
love seeing arlo talk about this corner of sm64; as an avid fan of the entire community for years it's cool to see other people i enjoy also be interested in these topics.
to answer your question on what's gonna happen next: there's always more improvements to be made! this was just a 70 star speedrun on wii vc; a full 120 star run currently uses 13 a presses (though a lot are not humanly viable). trying to improve existing strats to be humanly possible + trying to solve the other a presses is something that is being worked on every single day, and there's really no stopping point in sight.
in terms of runners getting lower times: unless marbler wants to do more runs, it won't happen for a long time. marbler has been training for YEARS to get these strats to be humanly viable, as well as getting themself good enough at the tricks to perform them. i don't think another person could just "learn the route" and practice hard for a few days - it would take several months, or even years to get to this level.
if anyone reading is interested in the history of the a button challenge, there's a FANTASTIC video/series of videos by bismuth that explains everything up until 2022 (also his other videos are goated as well). there's also tons of cool things in the other corners of the sm64 community, whether that be normal speedruns, rom hacks, content creators, etc., there's a lot of insanely cool things going on!
anyway, thanks for reading my little ramble lol. sm64 is my favorite game of all time and i got excited seeing arlo speak about it. hope everyone has a good day :3
Time for the first -1 A button press run
Run ends when the guy receives an official N64 controller A button from Nintendo in the mail.
i aboslutely love the Mario64 speedrunning community, i watched Pannenkoek's invisible walls 4 hour video twice because it was so freakin fascinating
For anyone who is confused about how the half A press thing works, its not actually an issue about registering half an input or anything like that. Ill explain how it works but first I need to explain a couple of other things.
First, the way I understand it is as follows. The A button has two states that it can be seen in. Pressed, or not pressed. Holding it down would obviously be one long A press until you let go.
There are certain actions that need a new A press to do, like a jump. But some only need it held down ( I believe swimming faster is an example of this )
Second, there are two ways you can view playing a level or a run of the game. 1 way is a full game run, where you are playing levels back to back and counting presses through that entire playthrough. The other way is focusing on a singular level or star. Obviously when trying to discover new A press saves you'd most likely be playing it the second way, but when doing the actual attempt at the game it would be the first way.
With that in mind, lets say you have a star that requires an A press. I'm not the most versed in this but I believe an example of this is some of the stars that require swimming. ( Even if this example is wrong, the idea behind it is what's more important ) Without the A button held Mario will swim very slow, making some stars require a press and hold of the A button to swim more quickly to them. Lets say for the sake of argument that our "star" requires only that singular A press in its level, the one to swim to it. If that's the case, then doesn't that mean the star would be 1 A press and that counts towards your total? Yes... kind of. In the second scenario where you are viewing the game level by level, yes, it requires an A press. However, we can take advantage of the way the game views the A buttons states.
Lets say you have another level, in this case our "star" also requires 1 A press to jump at some point during the level. That also requires 1 A press, so that would also be +1 to our A press count. Meaning if you played this star then went to the next level, you would have 2 A presses correct? Not in the context of a full game run. Here is what you can do. You can do the jump in level 2 that requires an A press, continue to hold the A button all the way through collecting that star, you make your way to the first level, enter the water, and so long as you never let go of the A button, you are now fast swimming without having pressed A the second time, removing an A press from the run.
So the reason some stars get hit with the 0.5 A press is because A full game run can negate the A press, but playing the level without the context of the rest of the game in mind requires 1. So what is between 0 and 1, 0.5.
Obviously, if a situation were ever to occur that every single other A press in the game were saved except for the A press to swim in that one spot, then it would once again require an A press in the level to swim, since you no longer have a previous A press to leech of off.
In short, you can think of 0.5 A presses as saying "In a full game run we can use a previous A press that is required in another level to not have to used it here, but if I played this level without any others first, it would still require an A press"
Since it would be factually wrong to say you don't need the A button at all in the level, we can't quite call it 0 A presses, but it still doesn't have to be a "new" A press, so it can't be called 1 A press either. So long as another A press exists in the game that we can leech off of to reach the star, 0.5 A presses is how its worded.
I hope my example makes sense.
Bismuth is the guy you wanna look for when it comes to the subject of a button challenge lore
Oh sweet the bonus secret channel. The straight sauce.
Finally, TJ Henry Yoshi can sleep peacefully at night
They actually already figured out Luigi. His data was scrubbed from the final release but his model was found in those leaks a while back
I feel like a lot of challenge runs are very compatible with speed runs so it would make sense if now that the minimum has been confirmed "None at all" i'm sure people will move on to trying to speedrun it.
Butternut Squash? Yes Please!
Loving the uploads I have a lot to catch up on!
I’ve never played sm64, but I always find it so comforting to watch, especially to sleep, truly wholesome content
Great Stuff, as always!
This channel is amazing, I had no idea you followed the a button challenge
is wild how much creativity & ingenuity Mario 64 has sparked in it's community, much to Miyamoto's annoyance
Speed running is so important to keeping old games in people's minds imo and Speed runners themselves usually start out as people who just want a new way to play their favorite games, since there is only so much you can do with a game vanilla style.
Plus Speed runs get us back to one of the most foundational elements in gaming, competition, it is literally a evolution of arcade score systems you see in goldenage games. Speed runs allow community to form around single player games and a reason to see someone do something fresh to a game you are familiar with.
Thought this was a Mario builder 64 vid for a moment
The next step would be finding an alternate route for Bowser in the Fire Sea as that raising-platform trick takes up the majority of the run’s time and can _only_ be done on the VC.
Luigi in Mario 64 will happen eventually, but I don't think there's a good way to do Arbitrary Code Execution in the game yet.
But if Zelda Ocarina of Time got the Triforce% Tool Assisted Superplay a few years ago, Mario 64 will get Luigi% one day for sure.
It's unlikely that Arbitrary Code Execution will be found in SM64, but if it ever is, of course we will make a Luigi% TAS. One tricky part here though, we were able to stay off of Nintendo's radar with Triforce% because we didn't copy any assets from the Gigaleak and the Spaceworld overdump. But the key assets like the Triforce room and the Unicorn Fountain weren't in those anyway. However, Nintendo's real Luigi model WAS in the Gigaleak. It would be very difficult to convince anyone working on the project not to use it.
@@Sauraen Aaah damn, that's unfortunate. Interesting insight though, thank you for sharing!
Suprised he isn't talking about the Vivian discussion online
It should be mentioned that the fire sea pole A press had been saved in VC for a long time already but what happened recently was just the stream of it live.
Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time are probably the most documented games of all time, yet we're still finding all these crazy new things about them. just goes to show how nintendo REALLY put a lot of love into those games, that we still care over 20 years later.
Im very immersed in the community for the real time A button challenge (the 0 a press run marbler did), so if anyone has any questions I can answer them!
3rd thing this week, Mario Maker 64 realesed!!
good video, speedrunning and challenges are great
nice pfp
Id imagine the next step for the 0 A button challenge (besides what Arlo mentioned) would be finding a way to beat it on original N64 hardware as currently its only possible using the version on the Wii Virtual Console version of the game
In high school pikmin 3 speedrun videos were the only things that got me through a day
Arlo, have you seen the Triforce% run of Ocarina of Time? I wouldn’t be surprised if that kind of thing were possible in SM64. Unlocking Luigi and Yoshi and also every world from Odyssey and whatever all using an unmodified original cartridge and console.
ACE has not been found in SM64 and is unlikely to exist in that game, but if it ever is found we'll definitely make something like that!
the 3 hour video in question is just a video detailing why the invisible walls work. the door is in an 11 minute vidoe (really 5 as the other half is a thing for members.)
I understand it and love weird stuff like this, I recently watched Summoning Salts hours long video on the history and evolution of Tetris high scores. Pretty technical, nerdy, and interesting…even the way people press the buttons have techniques, and the way the controller is held for “hyper tapping”, and how the max high score on the community standard Tetris on NES is 999,999 and his after that a score needs to be either figured out manually or the number of times you max out at 999,999 are counted, or many years later a game shark “cheat” was discovered that allows the score to go up higher using a letter in place of the digits. The score is in the millions and the competition is competing trying to time the way they get the points and then figure out how to play on the Tetris kill screen to get as many points as possible when the game is throwing bricks faster than you can get them to where you want. It’s very interesting, some of them were gloves. I can’t even get 800,000 but watching the video made me give it a shot. I’m no where close but it made me appreciate Tetris gen more.
But Super Mario 64 with no A button? That is very very hard to believe even with exploits. I’ll have to track down the video.
Speed running is insane. If you think about the amount of time and dedication they put into those games they probably know how to play an instrument by now.
I don't know about finding the Triforce in SM64, but they did find a way to use ACE and reprogram Ocarina of Time, within the game, to create new events that lead to the Triforce...and then some. Now that video was something to watch (should still be on SDA's channel).
cant wait for the -1 a presses run!
7:45 Arlo, sweetie, people have already done both of those things.
Luigi was found in the Nintendo Gigaleak and the Triforce was found in the Triforce Percent speedrun at SGDQ two years back.
Don't tell Arlo somebody recently made a Super Mario 64 Maker romhack, too.
Iirc the Wii virtual console is the only version that those platforms raise, so the A button challenge has not been beaten on original hardware
To be fair I’d burn my rice too if I had to wait hours for the platforms to move
Now that it has been beaten with 0 presses, it can become a legit speedrun category.
Cant wait for bismuth to finish his documentary now
Mario 64 is still the best 😊
I played the game for the first time when 3D All-Stars came out, and just 100%ed the game the other week. And yeah, the game really does hold up for being one of the very first 3D platformers.
Like yeah, the camera can be a bit wonky, and there certainly are stars that are very annoying, but I really do think Super Mario 64 still holds up as a really good game!
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@@Traveler_of_the_Stars it’s the first 3d platformer
@AK_804 I said that but just added the "very" for emphasis dude lol. Who even corrects people's grammar on here
The thing about the 0× A presses run is that it's currently only possible on the Wii VC version of the game due to some floating point rounding error that results in that platform very very slowlt rising up
The og release still requires 1 A press
Mario 64's controls are absolutely amazing and still holds up to this day. The camera not so much... That was innovative when it came out, but the way it gets stuck on things so easily or how often you get in situations where the camera can be rotated 7 to the left, or 7 to the right, only to give an error beep if you want to actually make a full circle... Yeah, Banjo Kazooie fixed all those issues and later platformers, the good ones, surpassed it by miles since then. That said, we now have a full reverse engineered source code for this game, and the camera can and has been fixed into something more functional. It's just a shame speed runners can't use that one.
This reminds me of how a few years ago, a streamer named Boba found a skip in the original Metal Gear Solid during her first playthrough of the game. You should look up the Boba Skip if you haven't seen it already.
And for today’s recommendation: A rice cooker.
Super Mario 64 really is a special game. I have 0 nostalgia for it, I picked it up in the 3D anniversary title. I've probably played more of it then sunshine or galaxy
i mean, there's an obscure japan gameplay with luigi found months ago
note: this is about 70 star, not 120 star. for a tas, there are still 13 a presses left
Super Mario 64 is an impressive, infinitely fun game that still proves time and time again how much of a masterful work it is despite its successors improving on it. It gave way to so many new design choices and directions developers could have in their games and it is absolutely impressive how it remains relatively relevant today thanks in part to romhacks, PC decompilations and recompilations and last but not least it's speedrunning scene. I mean, it's insane how much the movement and physics of this game has inspired so many people to try and beat this game as fast as possible. So many news skips, clips, jumps, feel-your-way-through moments have made a huge splash on how people play this game. I mean, people have talked about cosmic rays and how it could affect a copy of Mario 64, like what in the actual frick, man? That's insane. This game is more than a game. It's culture, tradition, history. It's incredible. Truly a game for the history books, man. The only game that can come close to this level of depth, relevancy and dedication inside and outside its world is probably Minecraft, but it's even crazier to think Mario 64 was just designed to be a really darn good game with amazing movement back in the 90s and yet people find just as much depth as a game that was designed to be everything from farming, exploration, freedom, fishing, fighting, puzzle solving, etcetera, from the early 2010s. It's just, wow, idk what to say. It's almost 30 years old and this game keeps impressing me.
I thought you were going to talk about the Mario Maker style tool that just released for SM64 lol.
I never thought I'd see this day come those last A presses seemed insurmountable
you're thinking of 120 star
Stuff like this reminds me a couple of years back when a LARGE group of people, including the runners themselves, were CONVINCED that it was impossible to beat Super Mario Odyssey in under an hour. And while I admittedly wasn't that engrossed in the high-level speedrunning scene for the game, I had a feeling that was utter baloney. If stuff like "going back through the door in Cool Cool Mountain" is still being discovered nearly 30 years after SM64's release, it seems like a huge leap in logic to assume that NOTHING else useful in a game will be discovered or updated mere years after its launch.
For anyone who's curious, the Any% world record for Super Mario Odyssey today sits at 56:10.
imagine a little kid watching your video looks to find yoshi and he's actually there
Woah, didn't hear of this first story, cool! No A presses accomplished is huge, the door is opened is fun to see, but also, Super Mario 64 Maker! The game is in a great state at the moment!
I thought this was going to be about the romhack that turns SM64 into 3D Mario Maker. So much stuff happening in the Super Mario 64 community lately. :)
I wouldn't be surprised if there were an ACE exploit in SM64 that let you modify the game into letting you play as Luigi.
The first person I remember who talked about A button presses was pannenkoek2012.
I love speedruns. From the outside, it may look like people are rushing through the game without really enjoying it, but this couldn't be further from the truth.
In reality, they learn *everything* about the game in order to piece together the best possible run.
In order to get the Tri-Force, pr unlock Luigi. We have to find the Boswer Room. I hear a guy named Tomar knows.
Arlo over here spouting spoilers at the end
If you haven't already seen it, "the A-Press Guy" also did a _double feature length video_ about invisible walls. That one'll _really_ burn your rice!
There’s still around a dozen a presses left in the 120 star run. Also I believe several stars besides the 70 from the recent run that haven’t yet been achieved RTA
I feel like smallant is a really good like starting the jump pad for a lot of people actually getting into speed running but I personally can't wait for the 4-hour tears of the Kingdom review video that I'm going to be invested in that I burn my Christmas turkey
The "playing as Luigi" one is a fun idea, but it's impossible. There's a model of Luigi in the game, but it's an incomplete model, and there's no way to access it, it's just sitting in the back files. I don't think there's any rigging for it, no animations, nothing, just an incomplete model. The MOST you could do is hack the game to switch the model of Mario with the incomplete model of Luigi, and use Mario's rigging and animations, but it wouldn't look right.
We need koopa the quick to go on a training arc and become the very best (assuming that the one in oddessy isn't him).
The secret to unlocking Luigi is to play the ds version
You can press the A button in SM64? Never knew that
Actually, three huge SM64 things happened, since a level editor was just released for this game
I wonder if they knew about triforce% when saying the thing about wondering if people have found the triforce
I think I saw a ROM hack that put Yoshi on top of the castle.
They opened it after watching a Pannenkoek video
Even with insane glitches and tricks, how the hell do you beat the game without EVER jumping…?
Luigi% is gonna be a rough one
I love how passionate you are about games. I get that. Wanna make your own game someday?
I actually really enjoy this 2nd channel. I cant say that about many other youtubers..if ANY.
@TopicArlo Triforce was found in OoT through dma mods. I'm sure similar could be done to add Luigi to SM64.