Testing a cheap bender that does not suck
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- čas přidán 18. 06. 2020
- In this video I test out a cheap bender that does not suck. ($210AUD inc shipping)Usually cheap benders will just kink the pipe and produce misshaped bends but this one actually works really well as it created a nice curve with minimal marking on the work piece, this complete bender with 7 die sets only cost half the price of a Jd2 or Speedwerx single size die set.I got this to do all the smaller sizes from 25mm down to 10mm and I plan on getting a Speedwerx bender as well to do the larger sizes.I am really happy with it and can recommend this bender I just wish there was an Australian made version.
To get your own bender go onto your local ebay and search
"10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set"
and find a good price I payed $210 AUD in US ebay they where around $160 USD and in UK ebay they where as low as £80 but some of the listings in Australia now are $511 so see what you can find
and then CUSTOMIZE EVERYTHING
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Picked up the same bender a year ago, then all went to shite, really bought it for bending tubing for a side car frame and seat hoops for cafe bike frames. Thanks for the review, really like your content, budget builds are always the best, don't have to worry about them getting scratched, LOL !
awesome and I hope you can get back to it soon and when you do just remember to leave a gap between your work piece and the guide roller to get the best bends then it should work well for the bike parts you want to make.
as for being budget builds well I wish I had some sort of budget to build them so far its just been scraping together what parts I can but hopefully that will change soon.
Awesome vid man. I enjoy how u try to get the kids into the trade.
I like that you get it. I try to show that fabrication is not difficult so anyone can have a go.
In 18 months when my son OMG turns 4 I will be teaching him to tig then helping him to build whatever he can think of.
It should be interesting.
Looks like a very nice piece of kit, very handy.🐶
it will definitely be a useful tool to have in the kit.
Just wait to see what the first project is that I have planned for it you will say OMG...
Ape hangers where just a test piece to make the most out of a bent tube
Now I think I need to get one, I like it. Thank you for sharing.
It's a handy little bender
Try mounting it vertical and bolting it to your work bench. I used 1/2" 8"X8" heavy angle, making it much more stable and accurate. I can also use my body weight to bend, rather than giving my work bench a tour of the shop. Good video.
Thats a good idea but I'm actually planning to customise it by making a new base and handle so the forming die moves instead of the work piece. Much like the way the speedwerx or JD2 bender operate.
Exactly! I watched a video of a homemade rebar bender where they were lifting one end of an 8' long 2x4 from the ground all the way up to make a 90 bend. Even horizontal would have been easier, but elevating/inverting the set-up would have let gravity do the work.
Tour of the shop... Haha that's funny
I have the same bender, except it’s blue-green. Thanks for the tips. I was able to successfully make my first bend on 1”x.083” steel tube. I didn’t need a cheater bar, but had to put pressure on the free end of the pipe to assist it through the 90degree bend. Here’s a mounting tip: the base fits in a wide open 5” vise, if you remove the hard jaws. No welded adapter needed. Pivot the vise head, if you have that ability, so you are not fighting the friction clamps - they will not keep it from from swiveling under force as you pull on the handle.
glad the video helped. I would love to be able to mount it into my vice but my vice is mounted to my fabrication table that is on wheels so there is no way it would be able to put up enough resistance to make a bend. I am planning to mount it to the wall as soon as i can get some more time in the shed
Would you think mounting on a wall and pulling down would be a little easier. I'm looking to bend marine 1 inch stainless .065 wall. What are your thoughts. Thank you
@@redwood1957 That should work. I don’t see why it would be any different from being in the vise in the same position.
mounting on a wall limits @@redwood1957 you to only bending on one plane.
But nobody is saying what bender this is.
In the first 10 seconds you had me, perfect offhand joke that I can relate to just got you a new sub 🤣
Thanks. It was an honest thought as soon as I saw the questionable item
I use a couple of benders. One similar to yours that I have attached to a platform in my workshop (my sewing projects go under this platform and storage on top) so I can direct the force downward towards the workshop floor. I don't have a table that could withstand the force nesessary for bending 22 or 25 mm stainless steel tubing. I also use a diy Bendarc type bender that is also mounted to the platform higher up on a wooden slab, in a way that the force is directed downward towards the floor. But even bending 22 mm tubing will stop me in my tracks for a close to 90 degree bend. So I attach a rope to the end of the extension pipe that goes over the tubing I want to bend. The rope has two pulleys and is attached to the same platform I mentioned. And with the help of the extra force pulleys provide it is much easie to get the desired result. Still hard work though.
I've been want different bars for my Honda. Like I had on a dirt bike years ago...
Watching this
I can make exactly what I want
Along with a tig welder
I'm going to use this to make a new seat frame on my cb600 to turn it into a bobber. Should be a good project
Just bought an Ironman 240 Mig welder... my first.
Thanks for the information here, greatly appreciated!
Glad I could help, I'm always trying to share information to make fabrication less daunting to anyone that wants to have a go.
Thank you, from a chick who didn’t grow up around a shop, wondering how things work. 👍
Well your in luck. I do my best to educate while making cool things in all my videos and I also try to answer every question so if there is anything you want to know about any of my videos or fabrication in general just ask and I'll do my best to answer.
@@juscozcustoms been going through your videos since I stumbled on this first one - all because I was thinking about making a ladder for my van. I saw one of your first videos was for a Delica - hot tip, you could start a side hustle making ladders for Delicas, should be easy enough with your equipment & they’re in high demand! Btw, you look a lot happier & healthier these days, so hopefully things are going well for you.
3:00 definitely noticed the welding is in the same pitch / key as the music. Class.
Sometimes it just works.
I have one of these, I modified the holder were the pipe slips through with a tab for it to hold against. The pipe now starts off straight and doesn't leave a mark. Cheers great work.
that's a good idea that I might have to implement when I finally get around to building a new base for mine that will make it bend in a totally different way than what it was designed to do (I'm hoping that it will work even better)
Hi , i'm from argentina , i use it for electrical tubes , and ( in situ ) , so i made a special table to work with the bender vertically , still working goood
Awesome.
Great video, thanks!
I was looking at getting one of these but wasn't sure if it'd kink the tubing, or if the tube would need packed with sand or heated, etc
It does a good job for the price and can definitely improve small projects but if it is set up to tight then it can flatten the outside of the tube but I have done another video showing all the tricks that I have worked out to make the most of it.
Good Job Geoff, Nice Welds! A Tig is 2nd on my List after a Bender!! I've been looking at getting one of these El Cheapo Tube Benders, I was impressed with your Vid that they're Not El Crapo! There Alright for the Price if you Don't went to spend $1k+ -Cheers👍🍺
Thanks. I have done a follow up video with tips for getting the best bends from this machine that might be helpful if you get one and I also built a mini off road buggy out of a mobility scooter using this bender for 90% of the chassis
I just bought one of these and I found it works great. I made up an L shaped steel post out of 50x50 box section and it slides into the tow bar receiver of my Jeep. Works a treat :) my only complaint is that I really need to be able to bend larger material :/
Also, if you pull on the handle and push on your work piece, it will bend very easily.
yeah I also purchased a speedwerx bender (Australian version of the JD2) to do the larger sizes, I got this one for all the smaller stuff because this bender with all its dies is cheaper than one small die for the speedwerx machine.
one day I'll build a more permanent stand for this machine and I will make sure it has room for a longer handle
@juscoz customs how much is the Speedworx machine? I'd love to be able to bend larger tube but everything is so bloody expensive in Australia! I'm only using it for home jobs, so I can't justify spending thousands :/
awesome video super helpful!
Thanks.
I have the same one at work, be careful when it breaks you will go flying. 2 repairs and a custom base and it just about works.
thanks for the heads up. I am curious what size pipe you where bending at the time?
It is only rated to bend 25mm with a maximum 2mm wall and I was considering trying some 25mm with a 2.6mm wall for a project in the shedquarters but I might just use the Chinese pipe kinker for that one now.
I also have one that came apart 😂 It was the black tube between the two yellow pieces that gave up inside where the grub screw holds it. I welded it onto the roller wheel holder
@@LoupozE30 Mine too!! I tig welded the shit out of it.
Mine did that, but I was trying to bend 1/4 wall with a 6 foot cheater... lol.
@@rustusandroid yep. that will do it. 🤣
Jolly good bender!
It does a surprisingly good job for the price.
I weled a piece of pipe to the head of an old HF bender I decapitated. I bolt the head into a vice mounted to my tristand, slide a ~4ft pipe into that then "scissor" the bender handle towards the pipe which I brace with my body. Works fine and is mobile (the reason I made it to work with a tristand).
Interesting solution.
Does it give a nice smooth bend?
Great video thanks a lot
Thanks for taking the time to let me know.
Your video is great, thank you, friends from afar are interested
Thanks
Your dog is diamonds!
He certainly has a twinkle in his eye 😁
I'm impressed with that bender and what you achieved with it. I didn't see you use any lubricant on the bends .. was that "out of frame" stuff or did you just not bother for the trial.
No you are correct. I sent it in dry just to see what would happen...
and it worked really well.
There are ways that I believe the machine could be improved but that will require customization and that's fine with me. I just need to find time to do it.
Thanks for sharing
No problem.
Great video! How can you add a degree wheel to this? I have this same bender mounted in floor but it’s basically useless for replications without knowing exact degrees????
I actually did this in another video.
czcams.com/video/McUbW0OjLvA/video.html
Unfortunately my three year old managed to break mine so its a good thing it only cost $2 and is really easy to build 😉
Very efficient thos one is!
Just stumbled onto your Channel. Good stuff Mate, but... Where's the link for Club-X?
On I thought I had all the relevant information in the description 😂
think this is your third bender video i watched.. that opening line got me to sub lol. club X lol
Well thanks for subscribing. I think there will be one more bender to build then I'll be done with bender building videos and I'll start making things from bent tubes. Like a custom bike and a tube chassis race car.
@@juscozcustoms Been there, done that with both including Subscribing.Cheers Cobber.
Thanks NZ Trev
cool video been thinking of getting one , they are cheaper on ebay
I got mine from ebay. The price generally depends on what currency you are using mine was $200 AUD so thats probably close to $150 USD
Shop around on ebay because some of them where listed for as much as $500 AUD.
As i said in the video details just search "10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set" and you should get a good selection of this type of bender.
What do you want to build with it?
I have built a miniature offroad buggy so far and it has turned out really good
I was wondering how that was going to work out when he decided to lock it into his bench vise. Because my Mac Tool vise is great vise but it can't handle xtreme leverage being exerted on it. Without the part that locks down the swivel from rotating.
the bench vise will handle it just fine... its the caster wheels under the table that let me down :D
seriously though I don't thing the bench vice will handle it. There would be some piece of cast iron that will break and be really annoying to fix.
I looked into this year's ago but not much info out there, made another attempt and saw your vid. The baileigh unit in Canada is 1000 bucks and there's a similar knockoff for 300. I remember seeing the specs and they're meant for thin wall tube 18-22 gauge which a few years ago I couldn't find a supplier. What thickness wall have you tried since making your vid. Thanks.
Well the handle bars I made in this video where 2mm which I think is 14 gauge and it bent fine. (Would have been better with a longer handle) not sure how it would go with 3mm though at that point you would be testing the maximum strength of all the major parts such as the base, forming die, handle and your number 2 valve.
I found this machine worked great on the smaller sizes as long as the forming roller is not set to tight (covered in another video) and I even used it to make an offroad buggy (also covered in other videos) so I have found it to be a useful little bender and if I need something bigger then I have a speedwerx bender (aussie version of the Jd2) that can handle everything that this one can't.
Hope this helps
If I have to bend anything more than conduit, and needed one, I’d buy a bigger better tubing bender. Yes, this okay while you are young and fit to tackle the manual bender,BUT, as a person ages, so do the bones, muscles, and all the body parts that keep us alive. If you are blessed with a good back, take care of it, I didn’t, now I’m paying! DEARLY, VERY DEARLY!
I totally agree I have been in the trade for over 15 years and I definitely feel it. I am only planning on using this for making light tube frames and brackets in tube chassis so dont see myself using the 25mm die much on this bender because I am saving for a speedwerx or JD2 bender so I can do bigger and better projects and to get a die for that bender in 22.2mm tube was going to be over $400 so I decided to try this bender for half the price and can do all the small sizes so I will only need to get 2 or 3 expensive dies and the speedwerx and JD2 bender's can be converted to hydraulic to save my back in the future.
I hear yah bud. I had to have a back fusion in 2005 they put two steel rods into my back and fused them to my tailbone and four of my disks my disks were completely worn out, bone on bone, I had lost an inch in my height it was so bad. I had the fusion and fell off a ladder nine months after surgery so it basically didn't heal right. Now I'm bed ridden and for several years now. It's not the way to live, many times I'm very suicidal. Need fentanyl and hydromorphone to survive. Wish the hell I took care of my back throughout my life. Degenerate disk disease don't help either. If you ever need surgery get it done in Germany If I had my time back that is where I would've had it done.
Hi I've just purchased a similar pipe bender. My question is how do you measure the bend angles on this one? Do you eyeball them, measure the angles during the bending or the bend distance? What about the backlash?
the simplest way to do it is to get a plastic protractor that is in a D shape and carefully cut the flat side out so it can fit on the forming die around the center pin then set the machine up with a piece of pipe in it and put pressure on the bending arm like you are going to bend the pipe then line up the protractor with the arm lined up at 0 deg and tape it to the forming die then release the pressure and pull it on again without bending the pipe and make sure it is at 0 deg then you will be ready to bend just look down the side of the arm at the protractor and you will be pretty close.
As for the spring back of the pipe it would usually be around 2 degree's so on your first piece go just past let it spring back and check it and once you have it worked out for that size of pipe it will be the same for the rest of your bends on that size pipe,
it will be slightly different if you change the wall thickness or pipe diameter so just check it on the first bend of each size you use and write it down somewhere so you don't have to work it out again on the next project.
hope that helps,
Thanks for the question I will have to do a video on all this at some point.
@@juscozcustoms thank you very much, I was indeed thinking about something similar. I may try it out too in a few days and I'll let you know 👉
@@juscozcustoms Thanks for the explanation, however for us visual people do you have a video adding a degree will tell a bender? It would help a lot
My back and I will pass, gonna check out the Harbor Freight tube bender.
Fair enough. It definitely needs a much longer handle than what is supplied but if your happy with a harbor freight tube kinker I hope you have more luck with it than I had
Will this take 1" tube or is it a bit tight? I watched another video on this bender and the small 25mm wheel was cracking at the edges when doing stainless. Any problems when you have been using?
Without seeing the video where it broke I assume that would be from an incorrect setting on the guide roller.
If you have the guide roller set to tight it will crush the outside of the pipe but when using stainless it would make the tube oval instead of flattening the outside and becoming an oval it would put a lot of extra pressure on the die causing the edges to crack.
I have not had any problems with my bender since working out the crushing issue with the guide roller. basically set the roller to have a 3mm gap to the work piece before you start moving the handle. this way the roller is guiding or leading the steel into the die not forcing it in and this will prevent it from crushing the outside of the bend.
@@juscozcustoms thanks for the reply. Have ordered one so will soon know how it copes.
@@richardsmith2015 sounds good.
I have a follow up video that shows my method for setup for best results when bending that might help
Dang good job Bro
Thanks. I'm in the process of customising it to make it better.
I got one and tried 25x1.5 no chance,need a longer bar for leverage 👍🏻👍🏻🛠🛠
I am planning on upgrading my bender soon with a new arm that should work a lot better
@@juscozcustoms cool,if you put up a video will keep a look out,I was thinking about using a hydraulic jack but would have to modify it a lot.
@@motorscustomspain2713 it might happen in February when I try to make 28 videos in 28 days
Thanks for the heads up...I am about to try some 1” x .083”. That’s 2.1mm wall. Surely pushing it to the limit.
good review....i was looking for one of those too...i use a clothes line wheel with some heat...
the company needs some scafolding and some dual elevators one goes up one goes down pallat size ,sort of thing for air cargo....want to redeploy passenger jets to air cargo...you might be able to pick up some work if you look into it... make money...so...craft on guy...
Well thats one way to bend steel
Can you straighten pipe with this
Suggestion
1) Get yourself a very heavy wall piece of pipe that is at least twice as long as the one that came with it and save your back and body
2) That roller wheel should spin smoothly - so spray lube it with dry lube (in the center hole) and then feel if it is rough on the outside - if it is then it needs removed and smoothed out. Any roughness will prevent it from actually rotating. I'd take it to a machinist to really smooth it out (but that is me).
I am planning to rebuild the machine into something better with a much longer handle and I will definitely look into the rollers as you have suggested
What’s the brand of the smaller one you have (which can bend up to 10mm)? And what price point is it?
It is ment for brake lines I think and it was in the bottom of a box of holesaws that I brought from Facebook marketplace but a quick search on ebay for "6 8 10mm bender" found many of them and the prices range from $16-$46AUD.
Hope this helps.
Hi again, fill the the tubing with wet sand to stop the cheers Trev NZ
Aah the old cap the ends and fill it with sand trick. The answer to every question asked by novice welders seeking advice on BookFace welding pages. 😉
Cheers NZ Trev
Put pressure on the tube at the same time as pulling the lever it might help
The best thing that i have found is to have a gap between the pipe and the guide roller before starting the bend. It stops the tube getting crushed on the outside of the bend.
Nice welding machine,what machine you used sir?
Which one? my MIG is a 30+ year old WIA machine that welds great and my TIG is a miller dynasty 350 that is an awesome machine and very uncommon to find in a single car garage like mine.
My mates grandma was a treat pipe handler.
Are you suggesting she had many children?
Goeff ... In your shopping, did you happen to see a bender with a motor? if so, what is the low end price for something like that? How about hydrolic? What is a low end price for that?
nothing that would be cheap and good speedwerx and jd2 both have an air over hydraulic around $2500aud but do not come with dies I will be getting a manual speedwerx bender for $900 and a die set for around $500 and anything that is 25mm - 1" or less i have all the sizes i need with this $210 bender
but most of my time shopping was spend looking at speedwerx and jd2 benders cross referencing both major Australian racing regulatory bodies (circuit and drag) to determine what material they require for there cages to be certified and talking to my local steel supply to see what sizes they can get in CDS.
that might be a hint of what i am looking towards doing in future projects
@@juscozcustoms ...That's enough to keep me hanging around ...
Have you tried it with a longer pipe over the handle to give leverage so you dont have to yank that hard?
Oh, Ive seen your vids and yes, yes you have 👌
lol yes I have. When i get to making version 2 of this bender when I modify it it will have an even better handle
Habit made me look away while he was welding😂
It's a good habit to have. I do it as well probably because I have been welding for 20 years 😑
I recently discovered I can cold bend pvc 1" sch 80 (25mm) over my knee. Any chance you have any 2" (50mm) sch80 pvc could try bending on that thing and tell me if it works. I'm an electrician and alot of my work is laying pvc pipe under ground for traffic signals and street lights. If this works like I think it could it would save me tons of time no longer heating the pipe. Thanks
Sorry for the late response I was going to see if I could find a bit of sch80 to test in my big bender because this little bender only goes up to 25mm. But I got distracted finding suspension parts for my AWD mini build so I can't answer your question
Does it bend anything between given thicknesses? I've got 20mm pipe to bend. So it's neither 19mm nor 22mm.
It might squeeze into the 19mm die but may require a new clamp to be made (its just a plate with 2 holes so simple enough) and a tight die means it will distort less but is a risk of breaking something so just be careful.
The 22mm die will probably allow the pipe to distort a bit but I dont know how much
Has the bender lasted OK? Lots of bends done and not worn or broken?
honestly it has not done a lot of work.
Apart from the handle bars I made in this video I also made a mini offroad buggy out of a mobility scooter for my son to drive but I can say it still bends just as good, probably better actually after learning how to make it work its best.
however I am planning on making a new base and handle to use these dies in a different way that I hope will make an even better bender.
did u try square tube with a piece of rod to push in the inside wall with it?
no I have not because I built another bender using a weight lifting plate that does a great job on smaller size of square steel and it only cost $20
@@juscozcustoms do you need something to push the wall in with the weight plate?
I just tried 3/4" 16 ga (sq tube) with this thing trying to make a 3' half circle arch. I managed to get it done but it deformed the square on one edge. I might weld the rod to the form, I have 6 of these to make for a trailer roof.
it seems to bend ok without a rod tho for this 1.5 foot radius I'm trying to make, it's a little wonky but no worse than the other way
I need those ape hangers. Guess im buying a china bender.
If your into building pushbikes you could make some cool custom frames with it as well.
I was thinking about building a cruiser of some sort but I already have so many projects that need finishing like the mini buggy I built with this bender.
Wish I could find myself a bender like this
They are on ebay and all the details on how to find them are in the description.
@@juscozcustoms thanks man. Problem is, I live in Russia. Postage is gonna be... Well...
@@jared4670 yeah there are a few words that come to mind to describe it.
Good luck finding something affordable.
I see some that look identical (but blue) under the Vevor brand. How did yours hold up long term?
Yeah I have seen them in blue and light green but they probably all come from the same factory.
I only used it for the mini offroad buggy build and had no issues with it but it could use a new handle that is supported on both sides of the forming die and I was also thinking about making a new base as well. Similar to my speedwerx bender so it can be permanently mounted to the wall on a swing away mount to make it more convenient for 5 minute jobs.
@@juscozcustomsalright cool Im probably going to be getting one now because of your vid.
A question I have though which nobody has really addressed is how do you know/reference yourself when doing multiple bends on a tube?
Like at 8:35, you rotate the tube ti get the second set of bends where you’d grab onto on a bike. Is there point you reference from on a bend? How do you know how much to rotate the tube when making the other side?
@@danielnunez3518 well for me it is from years of practice. But I have made a second video about this bender where I add a degree wheel to it for $2 and answer a few questions.
When I get back to making content I'll try to do a bender how to.
@@juscozcustoms Looking forward to it!
I just found a bender just like that sold under the Vevor name for $120.00 and free shipping.
$120USD? That's awesome
How about some grease or lube on the pipe to facilitate easier movement? Great vid.
Good suggestion. I'll have to give it a bit of "motion lotion" next time and see how it goes.
@@juscozcustoms Thanks for the reply! Cheers from Texas.
@@boriskarloff598 no problem. I generally reply to all comments (while the channel is small anyway) so if you have any questions about any of my builds you should get a response.
Have a good day in Texas
From Australia
nice ape hangars :)
thanks one day I'll get around to building the rest of the bike
I want to learn to weld!
The best option is to go to a school and do a basic welding course where you will hopefully have a machine that works properly and an instructor that knows what they are doing.
Good luck.
It would really help if you just got to the point of the video I was looking forward to your opinions of the vendor need one for myself but I'm not going to sit through the other crap to get to that
Ok brian this review is just for you.
I reccomend the bender for light wall tube it is rated to bend 2mm wall thickness steel but that is difficult without a cheater bar.
It works well on alloy and copper but mostly I have bent 22.2mm 1.6 wall steel. The best advice i can give for using it is not to have the forming wheel tight against the material when you first setup the bend it will just crush the outside of the tube but If you leave a 3mm gap between the tube and roller before you move the handle the crushing is minimal if any.
The ring that clamps the pipe does leave a mark on the surface but could be sanded out if required.
I have heard that it is not great for mirror stainless but i have not tries that myself.
Hope this helps you brian smith
Have a good day.
Apparently poor Brian has the attention span of a gnat.
Need to lubricate tube and die surface should eliminate marks
WD 40. Also check out air/ hydraulic cylinder instead of longer bar??
WD40 definitely. I am going to build a new base and handle for it to make it work better. Then look at getting rid of the handle but I will be upgrading my speedwerx bender with a ram first but might be able to make them both work with the one ram with a quick release system.
Saying the brand when doing a video on it would have been extremely helpful.
It would be if it had one.
I put all the information on how to find them in the video description.
@@juscozcustoms So it didn’t have a name on it? Well,,,,, that is strange. I’m mean even if it had “Ching Chong” on it.
Well I did a search after watching your video and I know this is probably not the same but for your viewers, there is a Chinese company called “Vevor” that makes that bender. It’s cheap but looks the same.
Also Woodward Fab makes a bit nicer one.
But either way, I think all of us watching this video and to you that made it are all on the quest of finding a decent bender besides the dies, I really don’t understand why they cost what they do.
Thanks for the video.
It appeared to have warped one side of the handle bar. I am a perfectionist and cannot tolerate any uneven bends. Why did that happen?
sorry for the late reply I only just found the message. the slight deformation that I got on these bends was because of the way I was setting up the guide roller.
basically I had it wound in to tight so the guide roller was becoming part of the forming process, when I had it a little loser the guide roller would do its job of guiding the material into the forming die so I was getting much better results.
I explain it all in the second mini bender video and I used this bender to make the full chassis on the mini buggy build so you can see if you think the new method gives more suitable results
Can it bend 1' thick walled tubing?
Not as it comes out of the box. It is only rated for 2mm and with a 1 inch pipe 2mm is the limit that I would try with the cast iron handle. I would want to build a new lever arm that has a brace going on either side of the die.
Your the second person this week to ask about 1 inch heavy wall pipe in this bender so I think I might try it out with a custom bender handle
Hi bro i have a Harbor freight 12 tons but the dies are not well built
Yours seems work perfectly.
Can you give me the inner diameter of each dies please.
From 1/2 to 2 inch
Thanks
I don't think the measurements of my dies will help much but I can tell you what I know about hydraulic pipe kinkers. But if you really want the measurements I'll go take some of them but I hope this information helps
So when you start to bend the pipe will naturally try to expand out the sides of the bend and squash the pipe, the trick is that the edges of the die has to be the exact size of the pipe so when the pipe expands the die will grip it and force it to bend.
If the die is to big for the pipe (even 2mm is to much gap) then the die can't grip the pipe and the pipe is able to come out of the die mid bend and if that happens it will kink the pipe or allow it to get ripples on the inside.
if the die is to small the pipe can break the side out of the die because there is a lot of pressure involved. I have seen it happen when the pipe galvanizing was thicker than normal.
I don't know how to make the cheap hydraulic pipe kinker dies work properly but it will make a great video if I do figure it out (I have tried many things)
@@juscozcustoms Hi Juscoz, thank you so much bro for such great explanations, they rock.
i think i 'm gonna purchase a another die, 1/2 from Virax brand, which is more qualitative
Virax is a good brand like Mingori, i think i could get a better result with that die
The chinese dies are really bad and poor quality
thanks for sharing your aknowledges friend
all good @@tonymarcuso if you can get a good die it makes all the difference.
good luck and happy fabricating
@@juscozcustoms Hi juscoz, what's up mate ? The Virax die i wanna purchase is 40mm inside diameter and our chinese dies have 20mm diameter, so i will have to modify the Virax to fit the pipe bender.
What i'm trying to make is a stainless motorcycle exhaust, the dowpipes but bending stainless tubing or pipes seems not easy because of the wall of the pipe
Reckon it will do tight bends on 16mm by 1mm wall Titanium?
Personally I have never worked with Titanium but I didn't think it bent very well and would probably need a former that fits perfectly. This is more of a hobby grade machine that works fairly well. I plan on using it to make brackets and stuff on rollcages and maybe a gokart chassis or two but I honestly have no idea what it would do to Titanium.
If you have a go I would be interested to know what happens.
@@juscozcustoms ok, cheers. I just need something to do 2 bends, might just get a shop to do then.
@@chrisjokinen217 there is a saying. Why pay $500 for something when you can make it for $100 after spending $1200 on tools.
If you only need 2 bends it's probably cheaper just to buy them from someone who has already spent all the money on the special tools to bend Titanium.
Please include a link so fellow tool hoarders can buy one
Because this bender is only available on ebay as far as I can tell there is no point putting a link to one individual seller because it would be an Australian store that I purchased from and thats not helpful if your in another country and it probably won't be the best price so I put all the relevant information in the video description to help you find one on your local ebay at the best price.
Good luck fellow tool hoarder and happy fabricating
The range of tube size able to be formed on this device is worded in such a way that it may be misleading. 10 - 25 mm diameter range and 0.8 - 2.0 mm wall thickness range. Nowhere does it actually say that 25 mm diameter with 2.0 mm wall thickness can be formed. It doesn't say that you can't either, but I would suggest that these ranges are inter-related meaning that the smaller diameter tubes with maximum wall thickness are OK and the maximum diameter might be shaped in thinner wall thickness, say 1.6 mm. To be properly worded specifications, there would need to be a wall thickness range stated for each diameter. Having watched your video and reading the comments about breakages I'd be reluctant to try the maximums.
The test would be to send a broken unit back for a refund under warranty and see what they say.
That is a good point GD Livo I have used the 22.2mm die with a 2mm wall and that was quite hard to bend with the short handle that comes on the machine I think most of the breakages probably come from having a cheater bar attached and when you have the power from the extra leverage that's when you feel that you can bend anything and probably go beyond the 2mm limit that the dies have.
but the fact that it is all cheap cast iron breakages will happen
Do I detect an Australian accent in there somewhere ? Cheers Trev New Zealand
Yep tru blue West islander 🤪
@@juscozcustoms I used to live there & thank god I came back home, euro this and that "it's imported" ! Now our cars are cheaper than yours ,if Aussie wasn't created by convict stock & have the minerals, you'd be sunk as a nation, not that I drink beer but what ill it be ? A schooner or a midi with the prawns ? T NZ
Lubrication,,,, AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😎 Mate....the tool and the product,,,,,a little oil goes a long way.....
Yeah. should always splash on a bit of "motion lotion" but I decided to send it dry in this test just to see what it would do.
Put grease on it and it bends smoother!
I'll have to do that.
I did notice that the guide roller was not turning much.
Horses for courses is it a pipe bender or a tube bender ?
The difference between pipe and tube is about the way it is measured so I prefer to use tube as it is an exact outside dimension every time so it will seat in the former better.
this bender is only rated up to 2mm wall thickness but with the handle that is supplied I would not like to try to bend a 25mm with a 2mm wall.
I am going to use the dies from this set and make a new bender that should be much more capable tube bender.
That looks like a lot of work
Yeah I was bending pipe that had a 2mm wall thickness so it was at maximum capacity in this video. I'm planning on making a new handle for it with a bit more leverage so it should be a bit easier to use.
Should make it easier to operate, good luck
thanks
Hi, would it bend 16mm chromoly tube with 2.4mm wall?
It would be at the limit of the handle so you will need a longer handle but I have heard of others using longer handles and breaking the cast piece that holds the guide roller. I am still planning out a build to make a better version of this bender with a double sheer handle bracket and much better working capacity
@@juscozcustoms cheers, I think these benders also go by the name traderight?? In. Blue colour?? Can you confirm. They look the same as the one in your video
Invest in a dial gauge for repeatable bends.
I have 2 of them but they don't work in the horizontal plane that the bender works in so they are not much help with this machine
The handle is not stout enough. I have one and need to modify it. It would do copper I'm sure because it's soft. But steel tubing depending on wall thickness is hard
Thanks for the heads up Kevin I guess that is why it is only rated at 2mm wall thickness for steel. I was thinking about loading in some 25mm2.6 wall but after hearing about some people breaking there benders I think I will leave that for the Chinese pipe kinker.
It works better with some oil or grease on the pipe
yeah I just wanted to see how it would go running it in dry.
But yeah motion lotion always helps
Dude, I've got a request on you. Please can you measure the bottom part and send me the dimensions? It get lost :/ especially the pin. Thank you very much!
is it safe on stainless?
I have not tried it yet but It should work fine for stainless, I would think 1.6mm wall thickness would be the limit. Also make sure that you leave a gap of 3mm between the pipe and the guide roller when you first put the pipe in so that it does not distort the pipe when bending, I cover this in another video on the bender "bender questions answered"
Sir how much if you buy that bender..thanks
All the information is in the video description but I payed $210 AUD in US ebay they where around $160 USD and in UK ebay they where as low as £80 but some of the listings in Australia now are $511 so see what you can find
To get your own bender go onto your local ebay and search
"10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set"
Hi there I am an old fart and I was wondering if you would consider a hydraulic cylinder to help us old guys and how would you connect I am bending 3/4 dia 16 ga stainless 90deg
well I was thinking about setting up my big bender with an air over hydraulic ram from an engine crane but I had not considered it for this bender but when I get around to customizing this little bender to make it better I'll see what I can do to add a ram
What's the name of the "lil fella" he had at the beginning of the video?
are you talking about Shedcorgi?
You will find adding heat to the thicker wall stock will help exponentially. Not in the directions, but if you call the manufacturer, they will tell you to use heat to assist with bending.
Dont ask me how I know, but to large a cheater bar will bend or break the bender. 😂
🤣 yeah the design of the bender suggests that might happen with a cheater bar.
I don't really plan on bending anything much more than the 2mm wall of the steel that I bent in this video but if i do then heat will definitely help.
Well not in this machine anyway because I brought this one to just do the small parts and I have a speedwerx bender (aussie version of a jd2) to do all the larger stuff because each die for the big bender costs as much but usually more than this whole machine
@@juscozcustoms I got the round and square stock combo kit. I really struggled making 90 degree bends in 1"- 16ga wall square tube with a 4' cheater sleeved over the handle cold. Grease and heat made it bend like a completely different tool.
Great tool for the price.
Got a link to where to get it?
All the information is in the description if you read it there is a line that is a description that is used in every ad that you just need to copy and paste into whatever online shop works best for you.
Whats the brand of that bender
It does not have a brand but if you read the description it has all the details of how to find them online.
Just copy and paste the phrase into the search bar
It bends. I have that one. You need another 3ft on the end of the lever
That is the plan. I was limited on space where I had it setup but when I build the new mount next to my big bender it will be getting a much better handle.
This looks to be a pretty cool bender for the price,
thanks for posting.
I damaged my eyes watching you weld
maybe we can settle out of court?
'send me $50 USD and I'll drop the case
Your right about it being a cool bender. I plan on making it better with a new base and handle.
How about silicone spray?
Silicone spray is not good if you want to TIG weld or paint the part afterwards MIG weld will work through the Silicone spray but just be a bit rough and paint will not stick to silicone at all so every speck will have to be cleaned off before paint.
@@juscozcustoms That makes sense if you are going to weld or paint. So what is your preferred lubricant?
Will this bend rebar??
I wouldn't recommend it. It would probably break the cast handle or the forming die. Probably best to make something like my $20 bender but bigger with a stronger longer handle and solid mounted to something
What I’m trying to make is a round circle then weld 3 legs on it for a fire ring something I can cook from at a campfire?? Set a round kettle on it too?? Any good ideas??
Thanks for making this video... But sorry pet peeve lmao pipe isn't tube and tube isn't pipe!!!! Lol the dies are very different for the two things sorry too many people don't realize that and waste money buying something that won't work properly for them... More so with larger pipe and tube . Been down that road ... Lol
But I got a little pipe bender just like this one and like it a lot so far but just picked it up for small projects because it was half the price of the die set for my large "real bender"
That is the exact reason I bought this bender because even if it sucked it was still only half the price of a single die for my "real" bender as you mentioned and I figured I could use the dies from this to make something that worked.
But it works surprisingly well so it will be getting used for making mini buggies for the kids probably a gokart or two and many more brackets when I get around to building my mid engine tube chassis car using the big bender that is both a tube and pipe bender depending on which die is fitted 😉
If you were to lube the tool and the material everything will work much better.
This bender does a good job even when going in dry so I will have to try that next time I have to bend something.
thanks for the suggestion.
Only need to bend to about 30 degrees
I'm guessing this is about your other question I answered 30° should be easy to achieve
a couple of dabs of grease would help
Possibly.
Is that Thor's hammer on your wall?
yes it is and it has been there for a long time.
I really like hammers but it is there for a different purpose that will become apparent in the near future.
Link to where I can buy in the states...
I have all the relevant information in the video description
To get your own bender go onto your local ebay and search
"10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set"
if you want it to be easier than that just highlight the phrase
"10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set"
right click on it and select search google and it will come up with many places to buy from (this works in firefox but I don't know if other browsers have this feature)
Here Is a link to the google search if you had any troubles.
www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=10-25mm+Manual+pipe+tube+bender+set
What is the brand to search for
Sorry michael but there is no brand or part number but I put all the relevant information I could into the description so to get your own bender go onto your local ebay and search
"10-25mm Manual pipe tube bender set"
and since buying mine they have started selling them in blue as well.
I hope this helps
@@juscozcustoms yes it does and thank you for the reply
no problem. hope you make something great with it
I want this machine what can I do to have this machine
All the information you need to find one on eBay or Amazon is in the video description
Hello Brother how much price this
I guess it depends on your currency. I paid $200AUD. There is information in the description on how to find this bender on your local ebay.
Well @@Yourbikeclinic go to ebay.in and search the phrase in the description of this video then spend some rupees wait for the bender to arrive then make something awesome.