Xeen vs Rokinon Cine Lenses (Part 1)

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    Here is a video where I test the Xeen Cinema and Rokinon Cine lenses. Both the Cinema and Cine lines of Rokinon lenses appear to deliver the same sharpness.
    Actually, I believe that all these lenses are internally the same. It is just that the Cinema line uses the standard (and much larger) exterior housing.
    Also, based on the videos I’ve filmed, the sharpness, color rendition, distortion and breathing effect seem to be the same. I will provide you with concrete video examples in a future review.
    So, it seems to me that the high price of the Xeen lenses is due to the industry-standard exterior build, rather than the image quality.
    Each lens incorporates built-in, cinema-style focus and iris gears that share common positions, making for fast lens changes. The 24, 35, 50, and 85mm lenses feature a maximum aperture of T1.5 and an 11-bladed iris. The 14mm features a maximum aperture of T3.1 and has a 9-bladed iris, while the 16mm features a T2.6 maximum aperture and an 11-bladed iris. The 135mm is still fast at T2.2 and incorporates an 11-bladed iris. As these are cinema lenses, the iris is designed to be clickless, allowing smooth aperture pulls. All these lenses have the common 114mm front diameter which allows for quick lens changes as you don't have to swap out anti-reflection donuts or adapters to use the same matte box.
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Komentáře • 252

  • @vladxx2
    @vladxx2 Před 7 lety +12

    Nothing beats listening to Tom explain differences in glass with calming, soft music playing in the background. :)

  • @SonduckFilm
    @SonduckFilm Před 7 lety +31

    I love the Rokinons. They do well. I just wouldn't shoot them wide open.

  • @Larinator
    @Larinator Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks for this Tom. Always enjoy your videos, they are the so informative. Curtis Judd and you both provide the best info and no-nonsense reviews.

  • @oceantransistor
    @oceantransistor Před 7 lety +4

    I started watching a couple of weeks ago and I've learned so much from you. Thanks!

    • @TomAntos
      @TomAntos  Před 7 lety

      Thank you for watching and its great to hear that you find my videos educational.

  • @SaiKelly
    @SaiKelly Před 5 lety +2

    Brilliant thank you! The advice on why to get EF mount is fantastic.

  • @jaguarprophett
    @jaguarprophett Před 6 lety

    Thanks Tom...your tutorials are always so informative. This video answered a lot of questions I had about the Rokinon lenses...tchau.

  • @Expprods
    @Expprods Před 5 lety +3

    Another amazing video. Tom do you conduct training clinics? I have learned so many good habits for content creation and videography from you. Thank you so much for your lessons and tips.

  • @thadpeters
    @thadpeters Před 7 lety

    Thanks. Just want to say the video looks great and sharp on watching on youtube. Could you show your lighting setup for this interview?

  • @rickvestuto
    @rickvestuto Před 4 lety +2

    hey Tom
    What Matt Box are you running
    I love how it swings away
    Regards, Rick

  • @ezkelionph
    @ezkelionph Před 4 lety

    hey man, i follow your work i think its great and it's been very helpful.
    few questions, im on a sony a6500 at the moment running on mostly native lenses for small commercial work - so far so good, and planning to either upgrade to an a7iii or a blackmagic pocket 4k, do you think the rokinon $1700 bundle can cover the earlier parts of the transition? or are they even good to go for the long run

  • @cburrowz
    @cburrowz Před 7 lety +1

    I've used the cine lens on a MFT camera with excellent results. When I upgraded to a Ursa 4.6K I was disappointed with the focus breathing on the larger super 35 sensor. The ZEEN worked flawlessly.

  • @clintdsouza
    @clintdsouza Před 7 lety +41

    The upgraded Cine line - the Cine DS has the focus and iris gears the exact same distance from the lens mount

    • @vijayasrisubash
      @vijayasrisubash Před 7 lety +2

      Clint D'Souza yes so no need to worry about follow focus placement 👍

    • @David-mg1yj
      @David-mg1yj Před 7 lety +1

      Is that the only difference between the Cine lenses and the Cine DS lenses?

    • @David-mg1yj
      @David-mg1yj Před 7 lety +1

      So which would you recommend, the Cine Lenses or the Cine DS lenses. Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope. :)

    • @Thevikingcam
      @Thevikingcam Před 7 lety +5

      I find the DS line better, sharper, lesser chromatic aberration, focus breathing and the look is much consistent trough the line.

    • @MarcinRutkowski
      @MarcinRutkowski Před 6 lety

      Almost, also the focus and T-stop signature are moved to the side of the lenses. Optically there's no any changes

  • @BehindTheKitOfficial
    @BehindTheKitOfficial Před 4 lety

    Ugh love watching your videos Tom. Thank you for doing what you do.

  • @FroggyVids
    @FroggyVids Před 7 lety

    hey! Thank you for this lenses comparison. Could you make another comparison between the Rokinon and Veydra lenses please?

  • @dgfitzpat
    @dgfitzpat Před 7 lety +3

    Very well done and useful. Is it possible to do a comparison between Canon 50, 85mm lenses and the less expensive Rokinon 50, 85mm?

    • @TomMakesThings
      @TomMakesThings Před 7 lety +2

      Great idea... I will do that in another video.

  • @DutchAussieProductions
    @DutchAussieProductions Před 5 lety +1

    Thanks Tom. Will you be trying the Rokinon lenses on your new BMPCC 6K? I will have this camera soon and appreciate your advice should you test them with this camera. I will not be able to afford the Xeen lenses as a senior with expensive hobbies.

  • @Runackbrand-limited
    @Runackbrand-limited Před 4 lety

    Hi, how are you? I have an XEEN 50mm T1.5 lens and I want to place it in a Canon C200 4k camera but I need an adapter and I don't know which is the ideal adapter, can you please help me?

  • @FlyingJackalope
    @FlyingJackalope Před 5 lety

    Hey Tom, I am about to purchase the Cinema DS set but I have a question about the focal lengths. I am using 2 GH5 cameras so I'm locked into the MFT cameras for the moment. I am using a Metabones Ultra .71. My question is, what are the focal lengths that are going to work out best to sync up with full frame or APS-C size cameras? What are the most commonly used focal lengths you use in most of your work? Especially for short films? 24 and 35 seem to make the most sense out of the gate since they would equate to a 35mm and 50mm respectively. Are the 16s or 14s worth getting. Would a 50 or an 85 see more use?

  • @MartinNemeth
    @MartinNemeth Před 5 lety

    Hey Tom! Gret video. I have 2 questions. 1. Do you recommend to get the XEEN cinema lens for something like A7SII? 2. If you can afford only one lens, which focal length will you get? Thank you :)

  • @TheSonsofaadam
    @TheSonsofaadam Před 3 lety

    Tom, you really are the best. So much knowledge and experience and yet so humble and willing to share it with us. I’ve said all this before, but I’ve learned so much from you that I wanted to say it again.

    • @TomAntos
      @TomAntos  Před 3 lety +1

      Thank you!

    • @TheSonsofaadam
      @TheSonsofaadam Před 3 lety

      Tom Antos please keep up the incredible work, and always know how much we appreciate you.

  • @TheFilmmakingChannel
    @TheFilmmakingChannel Před 6 lety

    Hello Tom, I have a gh5s with a metabones speedbooster EF to M43. Are these lenses a good match for that setup if I get them with EF MOUNT? I only own canon glass.

  • @beachcomberfilms8615
    @beachcomberfilms8615 Před 4 lety +12

    Did you ever make a part 2?

  • @DangLeProject92
    @DangLeProject92 Před 3 lety

    Hi Tom ! Love your work. Wondering is there any how can I use varible ND filter on the lens not the matte box ? Thanks !

  • @zuzkarory
    @zuzkarory Před 6 lety

    as far as focus throw (barrel rotation) I'm looking to find the longest throw possible but with the cheaper than xeen class of cine lenses. any idea how many degrees the standard cine lenses focus throw is? what about the slr magic? I know 300 is the sort of ultimate standard and 180 degrees is also quite good. thanks for any help you can provide.

  • @dikkevogel9970
    @dikkevogel9970 Před 7 lety +3

    are you upgrading to the ursa mini pro?

  • @christopherfoulser5279
    @christopherfoulser5279 Před 5 lety +2

    Hi Tom, could you describe your rig setup in the footage at 6:33 please.

  • @SaiKelly
    @SaiKelly Před 5 lety

    Is there much difference between the rokinons and the newer samyang VDSLR II lenses? I bought the 35mm VDSLR II

  • @nimalanjohn2520
    @nimalanjohn2520 Před 6 lety

    I have lumix g9 but I want which cine lenses for flim making cine quality tell about bro

  • @pedromedina7349
    @pedromedina7349 Před 5 lety

    thank you for your explanation; very easy to understand. Well to know a expensivest glass will not affect image quality. Hello from Panamá City

  • @WayneHunter1000
    @WayneHunter1000 Před 6 lety

    Wondering if you would tell me what mat box was in your video. Thanks

  • @IslandFilmMaker
    @IslandFilmMaker Před 7 lety

    Thx Tom, great to see a series showing these comparisons. Although weight and portability has gone to shit you must really enjoy using these higher end Rokinon Xeen Cine lenses on your Ursa.

  • @billionbites
    @billionbites Před 6 lety +1

    Great video, is there a part two?

  • @Metaldetectiontubeworldwide

    Very good tutorial Tom 😀.. well done 😎..
    I have a question:
    I do astrophotography and is a pain in the butt to focus this far away (but not infinity ) btween say 10m -infibity there only a 4 mm focusthrow ...😏😣..i eas wondering if a cine lens would be an better option due that they have longer throws or is it at infinity the same ??
    Grtzz johny geerts

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      That's EXACTLY why I'm here too! :-) I think we are on to something.
      Plus - as I read through the comments I see that many argue that the Xeen lenses are indeed better glass (coatings, grinding, processing, et al) than the cheaper Cine lenses, so I'm inclined to buy a lottery ticket ;-) so I can buy a 24mm (the widest they have)...or an ultra-wide Zeiss brand lens (maybe a T1.3 fisheye?) which tends to be the highest quality glass one can buy.

  • @7evive
    @7evive Před 5 lety

    So even if Im shooting with an A7iii I should buy the lenses in ef mount and then buy a metabones speedbooster (for best image quality)?

    • @andrewmccarty
      @andrewmccarty Před 5 lety

      Yes absolutely. Or just a regular EF to E mount adapter. No real need for the speed booster unless you just want it. Buying Canon mount will allow you to use these lenses with just about any camera in the world. (Not literally but you know.)

  • @PeterDmitriyev
    @PeterDmitriyev Před 7 lety

    he y tom I see that's a camtree mattebox, but what is the baseplate system you're using there. I'm assuming that's a manfrotto plate that comes with the tripod connected to something else

  • @leitmanr
    @leitmanr Před 7 lety +3

    how are they when it comes to flaring, focus breathing, CA, contrast loss when shooting into the light.. I think I saw somewhere that that is where the Xeen do better, but don`t quote me on that...

  • @TheUndisputedGodFather
    @TheUndisputedGodFather Před 7 lety +1

    Great review Tom!

  • @FroggyVids
    @FroggyVids Před 5 lety

    Hey! Could you compare the Rokinon and Veydra lenses please? :)

  • @dariSSightEntertainment

    Which rig are you using, Mattebox with 15mm rod tripod holder?

  • @wolfbainproductions9951

    The Xeen and Rokinon look identical as far as clarity goes, but the Rokinon lenses seem to add a little bit of blue overtones/darker overall, which in post, is very easy to work with. It's subtle, but still noticeable. My partner in film and I went with the Rokinon. Would love to, down the road, get a Xeen or two. :)

  • @medomex8338
    @medomex8338 Před 5 lety

    Thanks for the video, I want to ask you, what is the most affordable adapter to mount this lens (EF mount) on BMPCC4K?

  • @AUltimateMachine
    @AUltimateMachine Před 7 lety +1

    @TomAntos What about PL mount?

  • @dgstudioLLC
    @dgstudioLLC Před 4 lety

    why get a cine lens if you got a gh5, gh5 have cinema mode and do post production. so what adapter do you need for the rokinon for the gh5?

  • @ReRiver_EasHar_NYC
    @ReRiver_EasHar_NYC Před 4 lety

    Enjoyable and informative. Which did you use to record this video?

  • @bmbfilmshd
    @bmbfilmshd Před 7 lety +3

    can't wait for part 2

  • @saviorkakama691
    @saviorkakama691 Před 4 lety +1

    Though generally the same overall, I noticed that the Xeen lenses are slightly sharper especially when you look at the edges of the lines on the focus checker. The lines from the Xeen lenses seem more bold and stand out better compared to the Rokinon. But of course the difference is minor. The Rokinon lenses seem to have a greenish color cast whereas the Xeen lenses look to have a more clean neutral color cast. Otherwise I go for the Rokinon lenses looking at the minor differences in quality compared to price. Great video bro. Thanks a mil.

  • @ParanormalIndiana
    @ParanormalIndiana Před 6 lety

    I will point out, as others have, that the new Cine lenses under the Rokinon name, "Cine DS", have two differences from the regular Cine lenses: First, the lenses have a dual scale on each side of the lens, and second, the aputure and follow focus ring are in the same spot on all the lenses.
    You will, however, notice a difference in the overall length of your lens with the DS line, which you will not with the Xeens.

  • @SunlightMusicAcademy
    @SunlightMusicAcademy Před 6 lety +1

    Hi, thanks for the video. I think colors are much better and natural on the Xeen lenses, look at the greys. Also, there is many purple fringing on the Rokinon lenses. So, I think it's not the same lenses... What do you think? Bests. Leo

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      Actually both 85mm Xeen and Rok at T1.5 have purple fringing, but when stopped down to T8 that goes away. You can watch @15:00 (or close to that).
      Plus: some other comments here have said that Rokinon themselves claim that the internal glass is exactly the same for all the Rok and Xeen lenses.

  • @limbotvperu6867
    @limbotvperu6867 Před 3 lety

    hi what about the mount? can someonegive me advice i have a mini ursa 4k with PL MOUNT. could i use the cheaper cinema lens, is there a recommended adapter haven found one with good review

  • @williamdaniels4899
    @williamdaniels4899 Před 7 lety

    Thanks for advice. Really helpful stuff!!

  • @puddytat62
    @puddytat62 Před 7 lety

    Tom seems to be able to source out great alternatives to expensive options. NOW I wish he would find us a cheap speedboost for micro 4/3 cameras. In some shooting environments these smaller footprint cameras provide some real advantages. Panasonics do not overheat like some others and while they are not as superb in low light they do offer great low light and with non DCI 4K you are getting great images. Does anyone know of great speedboosters for say Panasonic G85?

  • @mrabhinabdas
    @mrabhinabdas Před rokem

    Hi Tom, How do you take care of your lenses? What do you do to prevent fungus growth on your lenses? Storage?

  • @protasov-by
    @protasov-by Před 6 lety

    Hello! I wanna ask u for advice, what cheapest follow focus is good for XEEN, if use 15mm rods + sony a7r2 + xeen lenses, I looking for plastic gear, cause my metallic one seems may damage painting on lenses. Current model I use is "flama K1141" may google it for pictures of what is it. Also I'm looking for matte box, is there some models for xeen diameter, my seems a bit smaller, and ND I'm using is 4x4". Thanks! :)

    • @ParanormalIndiana
      @ParanormalIndiana Před 6 lety

      Your best bet right now is the JTZ line of products. They make a cinema-quality Matte Box, follow focus, and cage for your camera, and they are pretty affordable. Anything less is going to be of more shoddy quality. Look up 'JTZ Follow Focus' on Amazon.

  • @thatchinaboi
    @thatchinaboi Před 6 lety

    Is there a difference in the focus breathing between them?

  • @cbkproduccionesaudiovisual9410

    Very good Video, Congratulations from Guatemala!!!

  • @revnetllc
    @revnetllc Před 7 lety

    Tom what matte box are you using?

  • @DeistBeats
    @DeistBeats Před 7 lety +96

    You just saved a lot of people a lot of money :D

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin Před 7 lety +2

      ha ! Fool !

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety +3

      @@MikkelGrumBovin Seriously? Tom seems to be serious and the video test seem to support what he said. Is he wrong?

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin Před 5 lety

      @@DarrenD777 Hi - I had a long discusion with Tom on that issue... in late march - 2000&17 ! my position is , with the Metabones speedboosters and loads of dump adapters, Nikon -nikkor glass is so plentyfull and cheap, looks more "filmic" and mostly completely non electric - less hassle than fly-by-wire Canon-glass ( the non-hardstops are useless in cinematic filmmaking)

  • @SparkFosterFilms
    @SparkFosterFilms Před 5 lety

    Both sets of lenses are sharp. That's great. But there are a lot of other things you need to take into consideration. The cheaper Rokinons have pretty severe wide angle distortion around the edges, even on the 50mm. Vertical lines at the edges of the frame will appear curved. Are the XEENs any better? Would love to see a comparison.

    • @BaskenmannZwei
      @BaskenmannZwei Před 2 lety

      I never seen barrel distortion on Super 35mm (Arri Alexa) with this lens. But I can't speak for larger sensors.

  • @DeadBoyJJ
    @DeadBoyJJ Před 7 lety

    Are you using the Sennheiser mic?

  • @juanmarcosvs
    @juanmarcosvs Před 7 lety

    Thanks for the tips: EF mount. I'm planning to buy Ursa Mini 4.6k and was in doubt about which mount to buy. Thanks!

  • @wondasnation5284
    @wondasnation5284 Před 2 lety

    I bought a Rokinon 35mm t1.5 but not recording with my canon m6 mark Ii. I bought viltrox adapter. Looking for head on how to fix it sir

  • @eldecampo7041
    @eldecampo7041 Před 5 lety

    Can you please explain why EF mount instead of 4/3 mount ( for Cine lenses )

    • @andrewmccarty
      @andrewmccarty Před 5 lety

      Because the 4/3 lens is smaller so you CANNOT use that lens on a full frame camera. But you CAN use the full frame lens on a 4/3 camera so it's a no brainer. Also putting a 4/3 lens on a 4/3 camera does not eliminate the crop factor as some might believe.

  • @leonardobarone4098
    @leonardobarone4098 Před 3 lety

    I want buy one of the Xeen Lens for my C100 mark II, I need of an adapter or it can fit directly in the canon EF mount ?

    • @TomAntos
      @TomAntos  Před 3 lety

      It fits directly on the Canon EF mount

  • @4thwalltvandfilm
    @4thwalltvandfilm Před 7 lety +1

    Do these cover full frame on Sony A7s? With adapter

    • @andrewmccarty
      @andrewmccarty Před 5 lety

      They offer both full frame and crop sensor versions of these lenses. Buy the full frame versions and you're good to go.

  • @Fredwalkers
    @Fredwalkers Před 5 lety

    Amazing information. Thank you very much.

  • @peterxyz3541
    @peterxyz3541 Před 7 lety +1

    I get the Nikon mount because it has the longest flange to film-plane distance. 5.00-35.00 is an adopter from Nikon F mount to canon EOS mount.

  • @yutakadaimon2598
    @yutakadaimon2598 Před 6 lety

    Did you shoot this with an Ursa Mini?

  • @bunuel38
    @bunuel38 Před 4 lety

    You really explain well and clear.

  • @dharmendrak320
    @dharmendrak320 Před 6 lety

    Sir What lens should i use with Blackmagic Design URSA Mini 4K Digital Cinema Camera EF-Mount CINECAMURSAM40K/EF My budget is around $1500 USD

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      Oh boy, it seems you don't even know where to begin. But, ignorance is never a problem, only stupidity. And you, good sir, seem to be smart - because you are starting to ask questions. Soon you'll know what lens the Director wants for each situation without asking him/her.
      FOV (greatly dependent on the T-stop used AND the distance to the subject in *focus*) would be a good place to start, also, the number of degrees (angle) that each lens can capture and put onto the sensor. (Hint: a 6mm fisheye lens would be close to 180 degrees, whereas a ultra wide 14mm might only be 90 degrees). Also, note the lower quality image a zoom lens has (but it has the advatage of multiple focal lengths) versus a prime lens (thus many DP's ask for a prime to be mounted and rarely use a zoom lens).
      I'm a photographer (looking for the ultimate quality lens) so I usually watch CZcams channels: Matt Granger, or, Tony and Chelsea Northrup as they are pretty reliable sources of tutorials and information.
      Good luck in your video ventures.

  • @nigglaas
    @nigglaas Před 7 lety

    Could someone pls explain me for what you need the big thing on lens thanks

  • @maradonamartin9870
    @maradonamartin9870 Před rokem

    What r the matte box u used in those clip?

  • @jabarcole
    @jabarcole Před rokem

    What was the matte box you use for these?

  • @devote2256
    @devote2256 Před 3 lety

    Thanks for this information. Will an auto focus system work with the XEEN cine lenses?

    • @TomAntos
      @TomAntos  Před 3 lety

      Xeen lenses are cinema glass so it's all manual. Sorry but not possible

    • @devote2256
      @devote2256 Před 3 lety +1

      @@TomAntos That makes sense. The lens is built for a different level of production (manual/follow focus). Thanks for replying-subscribed

  • @w0v3npariah
    @w0v3npariah Před 7 lety

    Is there any focus breathing present in either set of lenses?

    • @sondreformolindheim7108
      @sondreformolindheim7108 Před 3 lety

      @Joe Trent 4 years later, I own these lenses - The Xeen definately has focus breathing.

  • @andyyolesen
    @andyyolesen Před 4 lety +1

    bought my first Xeen 24mm cinema lens today...a proud feeling....thx

    • @SteveT__001
      @SteveT__001 Před 4 lety

      How are you finding it and what camera are you using it on?

    • @andyyolesen
      @andyyolesen Před 4 lety +1

      @@SteveT__001 using Blackmagic 4k production camera... main feature for me is the greater clarity of the glass, better coating and grinding...focus pull is longer at 200 degrees, easier to find precise focus. Could easily rent the entire system out, with a steadicam vest stabilizer for the heavier camera rig and lens. People recognize the lens, wishing they could own it as I smile proudly, explaining that it has eleven blades, where the Rokinon cine DS lens have only 8... those perfect bokeh bubbles

    • @SteveT__001
      @SteveT__001 Před 4 lety

      @@andyyolesen Cool, glad you are enjoying it, I just need to decide what the best focal length is for my purposes with GH5. Are you getting much vignetting? This video shows it quite bad on the 16 and 24mm? czcams.com/video/zYRBvFNkiJs/video.html

  • @MONSTAdancer
    @MONSTAdancer Před 6 lety

    Awesome lens review!!

  • @ensanchefilms9612
    @ensanchefilms9612 Před 5 lety +1

    Interesting comparison. I’ve had the Samyang 24mm but the photo version, and I didn’t like it. It was super soft wide open and even at 2 or 2.8, while the 85 and the 16 performs very well even wide open... In the future I would consider buying the 35.

    • @avalanwa
      @avalanwa Před 5 lety +1

      The 24mm is known to be soft.
      I wouldn't go near it! Lol
      Stick with the Rokinon 14mm, 16mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm.
      Very sharp.

    • @ensanchefilms9612
      @ensanchefilms9612 Před 5 lety

      @@avalanwa Thank you. I will get the 35 and 50 as soon as I can, and then the laowa 7.5mm and I will be happy.

  • @thatsjao
    @thatsjao Před 3 lety

    Do you need a ef adapter for the lenses

  • @JimConnorShorts
    @JimConnorShorts Před 7 lety +5

    Tom, good review on the lenses, I see several contradictory opinions on the choice of mount, you mention that you use an Sony A7, (E mount) and use an adapter for a Canon EF lens, because there are more adapters for Canon EF and the shorter total length provides more options in the adapter. Others commented that the Nikon mount is the more universal mount. Any follow up?

    • @c8vegas
      @c8vegas Před 7 lety

      Both are very versatile. I think its more of a preference thing. I always buy EF lenses because I have an EF adapter for my Sony's and I come from a Canon background. Its just personal preference. Although EF lenses seem to have a higher resell value I've noticed.

    • @TomMakesThings
      @TomMakesThings Před 7 lety

      Buy EF lenses. There's more of them. More adapters. Also those lenses re-sale better.

    • @GlueFactoryBJJ
      @GlueFactoryBJJ Před 7 lety +5

      Jim Connor - Because the Nikon mount had the largest distance from sensor to lens, it can even be adapted to Canon, but Canon cannot be adapted to Nikon, so Nikon is "more universal".
      However, for whatever reason, Nikon glass can't be adapted to other mounts and retain any electronic information, whereas Canon glass can be adapted to other mounts and retain autofocus and/or image stabilization with some adaptors (assuming the lens has autofocus and/or IS, obviously). Frankly, I don't know why Nikon electronic support isn't available because any patents are long expired.
      Nikon glass, either new or used, tends to be cheaper up front, in my experience. It also sells for less, but I'm not sure whether the buy/sell gap is, percentage wise, greater than that of Canon glass. However, it is arguably not as good as equivalent Canon glass. Whether the cost savings is sufficient is a call you need to make.
      I started with Nikon glass for my Panasonic because I needed some f/1.4 lenses and the old Nikon AI-S (manual focus) glass because it's super cheap (~$75 for a 50mm lens on eBay). However, I'm seriously thinking about switching to buying Canon when I get a Metabones Speedbooster.
      Anyway, ymmv...

    • @GameChangersSiliconValleyShow
      @GameChangersSiliconValleyShow Před 7 lety

      GlueFactoryBJJ - Thank for for that insightful review, I bought into the Sony Mirrorless series when first released and do not have an inventory of older lenses, but they are such a good value that I have decided to begin to purchase some of these older but excellent lenses.( plus the adapter), Appreciate your effort.

    • @jad5731
      @jad5731 Před 6 lety

      I own a Canon DSLR and I have used Nikon lenses on it with an adaptor - of course, you lose any electronic control, but it was a manual lens anyway; so depending on the use you plan to give it you won't lose much.
      From what I understand, you cannot use Canon lenses on a Nikon camera (you can use an adaptor, but the lens will be too far away from the sensor; so you won't be able to focus to infinity).
      What GlueFactoryBJJ mentions about Nikon lenses not being able to be adapted to "other mounts" is new for me, I haven't had that problem (please, which "other mounts" do you mean?)
      So, leaving that (potientially important) fact aside; I would argue Nikon mount lenses are at least +1 adaptable than Canon. Of course, if you need electronic control and you use mostly cameras with a Canon mount it might be better for you to buy a Canon lens, but from a "neutral" POV, I think Nikon lenses are more versatile.

  • @SteveT__001
    @SteveT__001 Před 4 lety +1

    Interesting points, when you suggest buying EF mount for tjhe Xeens and I can completely understand your points however all my stills cameras are Nikon F mount, my video camera currently is a GH5. I already own a Speedbooster for Nikon glass so that I can use my 24-70, 70-200 and other lenses but do you think I should stick with Nikon mount or buy a Canon speedbooster and get the EF version?

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin Před 4 lety

      Take wild guess, -

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin Před 4 lety

      Nah, Fak Canon, they stink!

    • @SteveT__001
      @SteveT__001 Před 4 lety

      @@MikkelGrumBovin Great input.

    • @MikkelGrumBovin
      @MikkelGrumBovin Před 4 lety

      @@SteveT__001 sorry, I was, in a terrible mood, I had had some rough days, and it's all my own stupid doing, so I'll try again. Give me half an hour, and I'll be back with something, coherent

    • @SteveT__001
      @SteveT__001 Před 4 lety

      @@MikkelGrumBovin Haha no worries Mikkel :)

  • @vijayasrisubash
    @vijayasrisubash Před 7 lety

    if you compare with rokinon ds that will be great thoughtful.bcz they are all identical

  • @rgfilm5848
    @rgfilm5848 Před rokem

    Which matebox are you using?

  • @tannerg440
    @tannerg440 Před 5 lety

    Where did you buy your matte box? I can't find it online

    • @TomAntos
      @TomAntos  Před 5 lety

      Here is the info about thst mattebox and where you can buy it
      czcams.com/video/7EVRdd9jqrA/video.html

  • @reanetsemoleleki8219
    @reanetsemoleleki8219 Před 3 lety +1

    So, no part 2?

  • @rohitkhanvilkr1636
    @rohitkhanvilkr1636 Před 4 lety +1

    where is part 2?

  • @omarockhouse
    @omarockhouse Před 7 lety +3

    What camera do you use to film this and what lens?

  • @stevem9191
    @stevem9191 Před 3 lety

    They say the Xeens have extra coatings vs the Rokinons. The DS Rokinon line have matching follow focus ring locations so swapping between only leaves moving the mattebox which is minor especially for the intended user. Would have liked to see the concrete evidence that these are identical but it doesn't look like you made part 2 lol.
    actually I had a full set or 6 amd only 3 were DS and only 1 needed to be adjusted after a swap for the follow focus.. so you can get a rokinon set that matches focus rings but arent all DS ,, some were Samyang and bower bit they are identical

  • @Musiquedecor
    @Musiquedecor Před 7 lety

    Thanks Tom for this

  • @bitspacemusic
    @bitspacemusic Před 4 lety +2

    Do any of these lenses change focal length as you pull focus from one end to the other?

    • @reanetsemoleleki8219
      @reanetsemoleleki8219 Před 3 lety

      I haven't used them but I can confidently they don't. Cine lenses (by definition) simply don't telescope. They're designed to be used with matte boxes which are fixed to the camera support and not the camera itself.

    • @bitspacemusic
      @bitspacemusic Před 3 lety

      @@reanetsemoleleki8219 There are a lot of cheap "cine" lenses that have plenty of breathing (focal length changes as you focus). Maybe someone who has used them knows?

    • @reanetsemoleleki8219
      @reanetsemoleleki8219 Před 3 lety

      @@bitspacemusic sorry, I misunderstood your question. I thought you were referring to lenses that physically change size. Shane Hurlbut has done focus breathing tests on some of the Xeens, but not the DS's, you should check that out. The channel is called Hurlbut Academy I think.

    • @bitspacemusic
      @bitspacemusic Před 3 lety

      @@reanetsemoleleki8219 Thanks, I'll check it out. I don't think any cine lenses change size, not the primes anyway.

  • @RyanAnthonyDigitalMedia

    What's the advantage of using an EF mount over PL?

  • @DjidjiRL
    @DjidjiRL Před 5 lety +1

    Wheres part 2 ?

  • @PhilippeOrlando
    @PhilippeOrlando Před 6 lety

    I wonder how they compare to the Veydra mini primes? Frankly I think the Xeen are just the Cine Lenses re-housed.

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      You should read through the comments. I thought so to, and some even say that, but others say no. Look at the third one before your comment: that's quite a difference.

  • @soumyonath911
    @soumyonath911 Před 7 lety +54

    well I will buy the zeen lenses because it looks cooler than the normal lenses

    • @TomMakesThings
      @TomMakesThings Před 7 lety +45

      Great decision!!! Nothing beats the COOL factor...

    • @whichlens435
      @whichlens435 Před 7 lety +3

      A lot more potentiel, no doubt. They are not just rehoused !! This guy Tom Antos is too funny.

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      LOL

  • @iumprincesingh
    @iumprincesingh Před 4 lety +1

    thanks bro

  • @waynecezair1025
    @waynecezair1025 Před 7 lety

    I'm pretty sure that the cine DS lenses all have the focus and aperture rings in the same position. Maybe the lenses Tom has are not the cine DS lenses

  • @bobuk5722
    @bobuk5722 Před 7 lety

    Hi Tom, and other posters. Thanks folks, very helpful explanations about mounts. Delighted to have found this channel and web site. I'm so new I'm not even a newbie! Bob.

  • @JayWieczorek
    @JayWieczorek Před 7 lety

    This was very informative! It makes me feel good with the Cine DS Rokinon lenses I purchased! Keep up the great reviews and tests coming! Thank you!

  • @adsertheblade
    @adsertheblade Před 3 lety

    I suppose if you need the quick swaps that the identical body sizes provides, then you gotta spend...otherwise, I actually thought the Rokinon 50mm looked like it had less purple fringing than the Xeen.

  • @aidenlowe4002
    @aidenlowe4002 Před 6 lety

    do the lenses cover s35 or ff

    • @DarrenD777
      @DarrenD777 Před 5 lety

      FF - you can see at their website, or at Samyang's (who actually makes all these brands.

  • @ze1makaveli
    @ze1makaveli Před 5 lety +4

    It is NOT true that the Xeen and Cine DS lenses have the same image quality. Why did you make such a statement without testing it first.
    The Xeen lenses are much, much sharper wide open then the cheap Cine DS lenses.
    Also, the Xeen lenses have a much more true to life color rendition then the cheaper DS lenses.
    The Cine DS lenses have a lot of color fringing and for some reason the image is more magenta tinted.
    The Xeen lenses have 11 blades and the Cine DS only 8 so the bokeh looks a bit better on the Xeen.