Community left shaken after family's apparent murder-suicide
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Marcus Solis has more from West Nyack.
abc7ny.com/cla...
Check out more Eyewitness News - abc7ny.com/
Find us on social media:
FACEBOOK: / abc7ny
INSTAGRAM: / abc7ny
TWITTER: / abc7ny
TIKTOK: / abc7ny
We’re abc7NY, also known as Channel 7 and WABC-TV on TV, home to Eyewitness News, New York’s Number 1 news. We hope you love us on CZcams as much as you do on television!
NEW TIPS:
Online: abc7ny.com/subm...
Email: abc7ny@abc.com
About WABC-TV: abc7ny.com/about/
#nyc #crime #breakingnews
An abusive relationship is harder when the abuser is a cop. No place to run or hide. 😢
Yes, facts.
And they rate of domestic violence by men in uniform is VERY high sadly, such a tragic loss
That's true
Facts how sad 😔
@@FreedomofSpeech86540% *reported* so you know the actual number is quite higher
Very selfish and evil. Your wife and children? No excuse for that.
This type of crime (murder, suicide) seems to be common among this group (Caucasian Americans). No idea why that is, whether it's mass shooters or family murder and suicide, they seem to want to take out their anger/depression on others before killing themselves. Weird type of crime to be associated to.
Usual suspects 😆😆😆
@RUTHLESSambition5 Some truth to it. As an outsider looking in at the US, it seems Caucasian Americans and black Americans seem to commit certain types of crimes far more frequent than other groups. It's like they allocated which crime category they want, sharing some with Hispanic Americans.
@@RUTHLESSambition5yup. The usual suspects .
Yeah less white people now when we need more whites than ever since whites are being demographically replaced.
"The perfect family" is a fantasy. Shows how little the neighbors actually knew them.
🐷💩
Nobody knows anyone
Only life knows
Number one rule of this world that is hidden n not taught
A narcissist opportunity
Do you know your neighbors? do your neighbors know you? do you let them walk into your bedroom while you lay there or sit at your dinner table but pretend they're not there so you can speak however you normally speak? Off your high horse.
@@elihernandez330 Your lobotomy has done it's job.
@@elihernandez330that's what the commenter means, if you do not know your neighbors how then can you call them a "perfect family" 🤷🏾♂️🤔
There is no such thing as "the perfect family."
or a person called an expert
Only the ILLUSION of it. But underneath it all, ya always got yer dirty dollars, and creepy levels of hidden corruption.
you bet very well said love my pup😁@@ScipioVespasianAurelius
@@ScipioVespasianAurelius 🤣👍
And that's the problem and illusion of social media. People pretend to have it all together, and others aspire to achieve this impossible. It's okay to not be perfect. You can still be happy and content.
If you want to take your own life, even though there is help out there, so be it. But you do not have the right to end the lives of others who WANT to live. My heart goes out to the loved ones of those murdered. The picture of the boys wearing shirts with their graduation year is just heartbreaking.
My thoughts exactly. I completely agree with you.
Selfish person who does such things
Maybe neither you listen to the story.
@@toordog1753 There was no explanation in the story about why he murdered his family.
He wanted to take their lives.
Family annihilators are usually narcissistic and/or delusional. The "perfect" family thing makes me think narcissistic collapse/rage. How awful.
They are also being treated for depression. Pretty much every one of them. Does taking medications that list suicidal and homicidal thoughts as side effects have anythingto do with people committing homicide and suicide ? We will never know because the pharmaceutical industry is the largest political doner by far.
@@MR-xc3swdefinitely influenced
Well said...and few people connect the dots. @@MR-xc3sw
@@Edwardsjm one of the same
@MR-xc3sw absolutely!!!! There sure have been a lot of people acting crazy after taking a safe and effective product which has proven to cross the blood-brain barrier.
You really never know what is happening behind closed doors. This is so heartbreaking, those kids.
So true. If anyone out there is struggling with those thoughts, please talk to someone. There are books like 30 Days to Overcome Suicidal Thoughts by Harper Daniels that can help too
Corruption and dirty dollars.
So EXPECTED....These are cops. Its what they train for!!!!
Especially if there is a narcissist there
Or what's happening in someone's mind. You could not even know the person in your life is getting ready to explode.
Beautiful wife, beautiful sons… why?! What could possibly justify this cowardly act?! Like as a man who’s faced deep depression and loneliness, I could NEVER imagine taking my families life instead of just disappearing and sun downing myself in privacy. There’s a next level of evil and selfishness to know your going to kill yourself but decide to take other with you. Coward deserves an eternity in hell.
Is there a place worst than the carnage taken place in that home.......
Evil
Tried to warn you about these police😆😆😆😆you can't do dirt on the street and expect to turn it off when u get home.
Unfortunately we are in hell.
Yes absolutely
If this is how it ended, I can only imagine what else they endured in private while they were alive.
WHY DUDE. poor kids
🐷💩
Oh well
AND poor woman who dared to love this male monster.
@@captainobvious6070 ok
Oh well
Anyone that wants to take your own life don't take innocent first. Call and get help, the family will be fine without you !!!!
There are no innocents according to the murderer. Who knows what he was thinking, he probably convinced himself he was showing them mercy
Selfish people 😢
Yeah, some perpetrators think they're saving them from suffering. They have no right to make that decision! Or to say if lm going then no one else is allowed to have my wife and kids, so they're coming with.
If he had a mental break that's sad too, but it doesn't condone what he did.
He was likely being treated and taking meds that list homicidal and suicidal thoughts as side effects. We will never know because the pharmaceutical industry are the largest political doners by far.
He should have never allowed the demons in and take control of his life.
Those pictures of the boys with their future graduate dates really got me! 😢 This is utterly heart breaking!
I know! So sad 😞
If people aren't happy and are miserable they just need to leave... So selfish.. those kids and that lady did not deserve that
There are no words There are no words only prayers for the family members who are grieving.
Doesn't need to bring them back. They are alive in God's Kingdom.
Prayers like good wishes always help.
@@KellyKelly-qd7my🤣
@@KellyKelly-qd7my The father is not in heaven after killing those children..the devil is tormenting him in HELL he has no rest.
😢😢😢😢😢😢😮😮Why!!!!!!!the poor Family the wife and the 2 cute boys they were your family!!!!!!! This act of 😮😮😮😮😮being selfish is Uncalled for( again 4 family's have died ,this way😢😢😢😢😢😮
What do relatives do when an entire unit of your family is eliminated like this. So sad. Everyone would need counselling and I hope they get it.
This hurts. I hope the boys and the mother did not suffer long. I am so sorry.
He probably unalived them while they slept
🙏🏼
Oh believe me they suffered! He probably wanted to hurt his wife so she probably had to watch him take the gun to her children before he took her life. it is what these lossers do!
Selfishness and evil person done this ,took those innocent children life's ,just plain wrong 😢
Stop with “the perfect family” stuff
I know right they sound like naive fools when they say that, Victims are always so special in every murder case. Loool well obviously they weren't even normal family
Exactly
Perfect families don't exist
What is going on?!? 😮This is the 4th one of these I have seen in the last WEEK! God help these families.
Financial hardships….heavily in debt…..wife wants a divorce…..one of those kids isn’t actually his…..wife having an affair…..things not going well at work, etc…. Take your pick. People are killing themself and their family because these are hard times we’re living in. Lack of money or heavily in debt. There are various reasons but it is happening a lot these days.
and the rise of NPD/narcissism mixed in there @@laurenurban3942
Look up Malcolm Gladwell... and his theory on Suicide Idealisation & Propagation after a tragedy is out there in the Media! If u can't find it... it's inside his Tipping Point Book
It's gonna get worse
Think about it. An experimental drug was pushed upon the population. This drug has been shown to cross the blood-brain barrier. Now there are turbo cancers, healthy people dying suddenly and other people seeming to go crazy..........
If that cop could do that to his own family... just imagine what he's done to others......
Not necessarily, there is no substance in what you say.
@@voltrondefenderoftheuniver8658Yes there's substance in what she said...he has done great evil to others during his life on earth.
@@voltrondefenderoftheuniver8658 he was being forced into early retirement. when he didn't show up for his 12 oçlock shift, his superiors were at his front door by 12:20 looking for him. there is A LOT of substance in those facts
@@storytime-wt4hc he said if he could do that to his family, he could do that to other people. How can we prove that that has no facts. There are people that they go their whole life without killing somebody, and then that one thing makes them snap, but there was no precursor.
@@storytime-wt4hc now, if you tell me that he had a history of that and it’s been documented that he’s been abusive and so forth now we have some substance
Two months shy of retirement?? Just selfish!!!😡😡 My heart, condolences and sincere prayers go out to the family and friends of the wife and boys.💔🙏🏾😔
My father ( ww2 vet) worked in law enforcement till 65. Avid gardner and accomplished woodworker in spare time. Not one loose screw. What the H has happened?
@@julieb7785big pharma
🕊️🕊️🕊️
That in itself screams suspicious to me! Something more was going on. We need to learn to reason & take these stories with a grain of salt. We don't actually know what happened. He couldve known something & they just made it look this way.
@@coldfact. You are right. I mean I know it happens, but it seems really strange as hell to me that a committed hard working individual would wait two months before their long awaited retirement just to delete their entire family and themselves 😞.....💔🤦🏾♀️ This is absolutely heartbreaking.🙏🏾😩
I cannot bring myself to understand how any responsible husband and father could even think about doing this let alone actually carrying out this heinous act on his own family. He obviously must have had a mental breakdown of some kind? As a man, husband, father and grandfather i find this tragic incident to be abhorrent. I am shocked. Robert. NZ.
He wasn't. That was just for show. He probably was kicking her ass for years. Those boys would have been better off with a single parent home
Pretty typical of a high ranking cop to be selfish and domineering, I'd bet she was talking about leaving with the kids.
It’s very common.
She was most likely going to ask him for a divorce,or he was corrupt cop,and someone had something on him,or she was having an affair.
Unless he was not the father. Who knows. I don't make assumptions. People pretend to be perfect in public, but it can be another story behind closed doors. Maybe he had a manic break. who knows. It is tragic regardless.
Why are there so many family murder suicides lately ?
Biden's Build Back Better!
🐷💩
Demonic forces are roaming around in the states. You either chose God or the devil will choose you. .
@@andrewczski1969 What the hell does Biden have to do with this?
@@clifforddang5947 everything! He and his liberal 🤡🤡🤡🤡 have destroyed America! Get with the program! Tooooo many cultures and races we don’t match!
If you are in a relationship with someone violent or otherwise mentally unstable, do not remain under the same roof with that person. Do not remain with that person year after year after year. Get out and stay out. And plan to remain safe thereafter. Don't remain somewhere out of fear, or hoping things will get better, or with the mistaken belief that that person will never harm you and/or any children you may have.
The main thing is to never let the abuser know your plans to leave. Make them believe all is well, then get out and never look back. This guy being a cop probably hindered her from being able to escape safely.
Dating Cops is the most dangerous choice you can make..
@user-py1xm3rz2r If you're self depricating enough to call yourself ugly, I bet you are a fun person. Sorry for your story.
He probably killed her because she was planning to leave.
@@federalreservewolflegend3523 what a bizarre take on this comment.
We are In The Last Day's-"Lord COME QUICKLY!"
We've been in the last days for 2000 or so years.
He ain't coming.
It’s always the families that act perfect ….smh
Yeah. You learn to pretend everything is alright early on. Poor kids.
They shame single women and single moms
@@jesuswilljudge7296I just saw a videos the other day of a single mom that deleted her kids because she wanted a man that didn’t like kids .
@@adamblack6867 it happens
@@Shastasnow Same with depression.
You never truly know what someone really is until its too late...
Garbage people
That’s a lie . You might deny knowing who someone is .
People always show you who they are, some choose to overlook it and believe they are still “good people” or “they have potential” or their past makes them “blah blah” “they are just hurt”. Learn to look at people very critically not as a project.
No, that's not true. Oftentimes there are many warnings and red flags that people choose to ignore.
My condolences to the families, friends, and communities.
No such thing as a perfect family.
Effing narcissist- probably been emotionally or otherwise abusing them behind closed doors for years- and could get away with it. She probably had enough and was going to dip out. Those poor victims.
the female was cheating on him
@@superawesomeminecaft "the female was cheating on him" you can't make that shit up😂😆
jfc@@johnbravo7542 I think we found one in the wild here.
That's what I was thinking 🤔.
@@johnbravo7542 I know right? it happens in practically every relationship, and the female is always surprised with the outcome
You get into a relationship with a cop you have to bet on the odds he's going to be a bully or sociopath. The job attracts these personality types and then you have a system that fosters their bad behavior.
Yea its crazy girls and people in general dont understand that
Wow, you’re not wrong, but wow.
@@jamesstewart8376 around 40% of cops are domestic abusers
Y'all not citing no sources of research and making mental health diagnoses in comment sections. You really don't know what happened 😂😂
@Akronkangaroo stop expecting someone to do the work for you.....an abundance of information is at your fingertips....takes a couple seconds to type something in a research bar ......but you must be used to trusting things instead of doing your own research and coming to your own conclusion....based on information you read...sad
If you want to die that's your choice but don't take people with you that's selfish 😢
Check yourself lady.
I’m tired of hearing these fathers taking out their whole families because they have issues
Never marry a cop, firefighter or sports figure. Period.
Or Man of the Cloth. Js 😢
Military too
@@jesuswilljudge7296thank you for saying it!
All these mentioned here people think is a plus being married with these professionals but I’m with you, I don’t trust these people at all
@@lindachris1485 me either, I'm done lol
I'm glad there's no picture of him with them. He's not a real father he's a monster.
I agree.
Sending our deepest condolences to them.
Lool
To who their cold dead bodies?
A lot of these are happening. Wtf.
5GW
And will continue.
Republicans..
@@andrewczski1969combined with a product which contained graphene oxide.....
@@RockyIsMeyou’re seriously deluded if you think it’s one party. The political class wants to divide us “peasants,” so they can gain control & get richer. Open your eyes.
Those poor boys. That poor mother. So unfair
Seems like somebody in his department saw that coming. Otherwise, they wouldn't have gone to the residence for a "well check" just because the guy didn't show up for work a single day.
The department definitely would have done a welfare check for a no show!
There is never any healing after suicide. Unfortunately, the sad part is most men who end their lives due to mental illness will take their families with them. That part I don't understand I have a hard enough time understanding my youngest daughter. At age 32 who took her life at the home. She shared with her husband 3 years ago. And I can't even imagine her taking her cat with her much less her husband there's no reason to end other people's lives. She wanted to take her own for whatever reasons that still never makes sense to all of us left behind but it's a sad fact about. Suicide in the US 47000 people and their lives every year and the murder suicides have Ben an uptake in that and especially with a police officer. They are under incredible stress, an incredible mental stress. And they're really the people who similar to my daughter who are risk takers with their own lives because of the job they do. My daughter had no fear of death. She had talked about it way years ago when she was a teenager. But the last 13 years of her life seemed to be filled with amazing accomplishments, and that actually is the way it always sounds when someone ends her life. It's like what they were accomplished an intelligent and. Did so many things with their life. But the pain that's inside is just too much. I guess to bear my daughter left 7 letters to her husband and she's my over 3 years. No children I thanked the Lord for that. I wanted her to have children, but obviously she knew better. She knew that she was not ready to have children. I just had no idea if she had been struggling for a whole year before her death. And we found out so much more. After her death from her husband he would give us little insights over the last 3 years of different things. She was doing and her behavior changing. And you just never said anything to us at all. It hurts suicide came out of the blue. It shocked me her 3 older siblings and a way that has changed us indefinitely. I feel for the children and his wife for their families. I feel for his family, who has now gotta come to grips with what was wrong and you. You're not gonna have an answer for that ever. It's taken me 3 years of therapy to understand what was in my daughter's hat. Just as this family will never know what was in the husband's head. Mental illness it kills more people than we ever want to realize my deepest resolutions to that family to her family and again. Also the grief that his family has to be suffering
I'm sorry you had to go though this, I hope nothing but the best for you.
He comes to steal , kill , destroy 😢
Trump? @@Fat12219
I pray your heart and your mind will find peace and comfort.
I am so sorry for your loss!
MY HEART AND PRAYERS GOES OUT TO BOTH FAMILIES. SORRY FOR YOUR LOSSES.
She probably told him she wants a divorce. This is why women are terrified to leave unhinged husbands, nobody else knows him behind closed doors like she does.
How dare you blame her??
@tananario23 he's not blaming her. He's saying the narcissistic cop she was married to didn't want her to leave. Use your head once in a while
Y'all swear 🐈 is a more important resource than air or water. I simply don't believe it.
Possible but he is evil to do that...
@@RugMann😊😊
Probably on a power trip. If he couldn't have her no one could.
Why? Divorce? Bankruptcy? What possible reason could he have for being so selfish?
Possibly living beyond his means maybe could not afford lifestyle on retirement money but he could let his wife and sons live they could sell the house and downsize...
Selfishness
Law enforcement officers are some of the worst abusers of all occupations, they also rank near the top in adulterers ,alcoholism and suicide. When you see one you should assume them to be dangerous to the one’s closest to them.. This story is far short of shocking in fact it’s highly probable..
Absolutely all correct!
The amount of DV in LE speaks for itself. Open your eyes. Theyll use their coworkers against you.
They look like clones
Something was about to come light that he didn’t want his family to know about so he cowardly took their lives 😢😢or his wife was going to expose him for something
Mental health is seriously a problem in this country so sad
Cops don't become psychopaths!
Psychopaths become cops!
Police also get PTSD. That can make people do extreme things.
Wrong.
Amen!!
THIS
💯
For People who say just leave, It’s not easy to leave. It’s near impossible.
@@angelabobanna7774 You need money to do all that. Nobody can do any of that with no money.
He probably had a dirty coat that was about to be revieled. Or was guilty himself of a hanis crime and couldn't bear it .
It Make s me sick to hear that this so-called perfect family burry their dysfunctional behavior by killing their loved ones....
Domestic Violence is rampant and often not controlled if police or soldiers are involved.
😢😢😢😢😢
@MagdalenaNelles how do you know it was Domestic Violence??or you just feel like talk'n out ur @ss🤡💩
Gorgeous children and mother. Perhaps yet another control issue. Nobody else is going to have them.........
When you describe or say they are the perfect family they are not they are a nightmare
They didn't deserve to die just because the father wanted to. He could've taken his own life but it's despicable and selfish to take theirs. I hope those three are at peace 🕊️🕊️🕊️
A sign of the times. This is really sad.
He must’ve had a terrible secret.
“The Perfect Family” is just an illusion
Heartbroken for the family, the children first. Those babies NEVER expected that. And the mother…..she was probably trying her hardest to keep it together….💔Rest peacefully family. I hope your souls rest easily in this afterlife/ second life 🪽
He looks unwell. I bet everything that she wanted out of the marriage but he couldn't take that as a final decision of hers. Some people are just so desperate to hang onto others, like they don't exist without the other person. I wish she could have ran away with her two children, hid from this monster.
RIP.
The husband looks like an alien.
Usually if a family seems perfect, there are horrible things happening behind closed doors.
My heart goes to those boys. So sad. No need for any of it. They had their whole lives ahead of them😢😢❤❤🙏 🙏
Truth-develop a sense of discernment
The more surface perfection you see on the outside deepens the damaged hidden on the inside.
10 and 12… Shudder. It’s just not possible. I watched 18 seconds, and then had to stop. RIP
Absolutely no such thing as a‘perfect family’, no human is perfect.
Men often have perfectly good families and choose to wipe them out. Nobody actually meant they were 100% perfect. They mean they never saw it coming, that they were perfectly happy/good/content/seemingly normal from the outside. Nobody deserves to die like that.
Clearly NOT the perfect family
These types of familial crimes seems to be exploding. Disturbing to say the least. May their afterlife be in peace.
The surplus of firearms makes domestic violence a much scarier thing.
I tellya all....everybody can have a house!.. NOT everyone has a home!? May they all R.I.P. Amen 😔 Amen 🙏
"2 months shy of retirement!!!"
That part was odd.
I'm not surprised
Just my opinion I think they really need to do more in-depth checking on the minds of these people that choose to be cops you run into an awful lot of narcissistic cops out there
Many high school bullies become cops and military people.
Perfect? I grew up in a loving but flawed,codependent family. I thank Dear God for the memories even when mistakes were made. R.I.P to the mother and her boys😢😢❤
This World has become almost uninhabitable, so many Challenges and so much Sorrow !
And ANOTHER family destroyer. Unbelievable.
Shame on such men!
Women also do it....
@@BeltFedToysNot as much
@@BeltFedToys😂😂 men do 99% of it but ok
Shame on this individual...far from a man.😔😡 Took his own family, especially those poor babies.
@@kccain4011 that’s a man. Men do that all the time. Family Annihilators
He was a demon behind closed doors and a badge
I love when they're described as so perfect because reality sets in real fast and hopefully teaches most of you about the falsehood of living up to the expectations of society.
The media is flimsy and perpetrates the silly fantasies.
These kind of ppl see their family members as an extension of themselves and/or as their property...They don't have any empathy or see them as autonomous people with rights and infinite value (like any human being). This means he was at the very least a narcissist if not a psychopath. Its just so awful, unfair and heartbreaking.
They had to be so confused and scared, especially after the first person was harmed. and I must say you never know who you’re laying next to. I’m certain the night before she had no idea the love of her life would do such a thing. I’m angry.
Are you sure it was a murder suicide instead of a homicide by somebody else?
Of course the husband/father was in law enforcement. RIP boys and mom.
@kohalaLover - you win the dumbest comment award.
@@teressastuckey And you seem to only adore making stupid remarks. I smell a troll.
He knew that by doing what he did….his fellow officers would lose all respect for him and he would go down as a triple murderer. So, why would he not care about the legacy he leaves behind….because he likely was having a problem at work and no longer cared.
Bronxsville is such a lovely place to live. It’s sad this happened. May God receive the soul of those little boys betrayed by their dad
God did..the boys and mother..he went straight to hell.
I'm guessing because no DIE-versity.
How does Love turn to Evil so often...you Murder your own Family...may we all Reach out to God... Ahmen😪😪😪🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿💯🔥
Some parents never love their children - they just have them to use and abuse them. A tragic, and very common, reality.
Last days
The father was a control freak.
Such a sad story! Rest in peace. So tragic.
Unlike the Watts family tragedy the murderer had enough heart to kill himself..... How cruel, selfish and sick!
Rest well 🕊️🕊️🕊️
This made me think about the Watts murders and Hart family murders. There was abuse going on for a long time before he took their lives. People need to stop falling for the masks in place, especially when they find themselves thinking that someone is in the perfect family. It's suspicious if they don't show or talk about toxic stuff because literally every family has a little/a lot of toxicity. This is a horrible situation and I'm sorry about all the pain the community is in.
Also depressed. People look happy but they are crying inside.
You got that right. If it appears perfect. It is secretly flawed.
Monster 👹
I use to have a neighbor lady in Mariposa California she was world-class beautiful. Her ex-husband was a cop in Los Angeles. He used to drag her up the gravel driveway by her hair. He used to handcuff the little girl to the kitchen table legs. In the early 1980s in Signal Hill Long Beach California a basketball star was hung in the jail. There was rumor that he was involved with that. God knows if he was involved but he definitely did the stuff to his wife and daughter . That's a fact.
Was the basketball player black? Also why didn't anyone stop the husband from dragging his wife in front of people?
@HowieHoward-ti3dx I looked it up foot ball player. I didn't live there when he drug her.
Such a shame. It seems to happen often these days. Prayers for everyone who knew them.
Yeah less white people now when we need more whites than ever since whites are being demographically replaced.
Evidently the neighbors had it wrong. If they were the perfect family they would not all be deceased now. I think we need to be more aware of situations. It is so tragic I can't bear to look at the pictures of those beautiful young boys how could their father do that? It's sickening really sickening.
Yeah less white people now when we need more whites than ever since whites are being demographically replaced.
RIP. So many families are killing each other. Please stop. No one deserves to die because of you. We all make mistakes. We are all imperfect. We don't need people killing each other for any reason whatsoever. If you need help please talk to someone before acting on those thoughts. Seek God. I promise he will help you. He helped me. I'm still not perfect but I still try and thats what matters. We gotta try. The world doesn't need hate and pain. It needs love and healing.
Well said, and Amen 🙏
You never know what goes on behind closed doors. RIP
Seem like this is just happening more & more in the world today. Some one killing his own blood relatives some where.
@@omriherron9364 Yeah less white people now when we need more whites than ever since whites are being demographically replaced.
My deepest condolences and 🙏 to the family , friends and community!!!
Sending love, light, and peace to your community from ours🙏🏻
Seeing the boys wearing those “Class of 2029” and “Class of 2031” is chilling now that we know they never will.
All the men have bald heads there?? And not a damned word on WHY. Interesting!
Truth!
I noticed that, too.
Can we just say at least, that law enforcement testimony on the stand is questionable given that so many of them are criminals. The assumption that they are law abiding citizens is a pre y2k thought.
Possession is a very serious issue.
Lord, have mercy...