Pakled Warship Analysis - Lower Decks
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My prediction is it will turn out the Packleds were scavenging battle grounds during the entire Dominion War, and that's how they built up their ships.
Easily canon: the Pakleds started scavenging wreckage from Dominion War battles to bulk up their Turkey Class Worships. Maybe each clan of Pakleds have a their own pattern?
That's actually a really interesting premise. During the Dominion War the Pakleds were able to scavenge parts, which makes way more sense in regards to the pink warp nacelles. There's no way Pakleds would ever be able to outwit...or outdumb?... the Jem'Hadar.
And it would explain some of the unknown parts if the Dominion fleet had some Delta quadrant ships.
@@avenuePad The Jem'Hadar themselves aren't fools.
That makes sense, though I have to question why were they lacking Federation technology. Was Starfleet the only one that actually salvaged their ships after a battle?
Yes, I know we see them add Federation hull, but in the tactical analysis, there was no mention of Federation tech. Maybe all the control panels explosions are security functions blowing them up prematurely to prevent enemy races from getting to them.
I like the idea of the Pakleds being a serious threat seeing how that the intent of “Samaritan Snare,” after all. People underestimated their intelligence and threat level because of the way they talked and acted. To be honest I fear stupidity more than malicious intent seeing how evil can be reasoned as they will have goals and desires. But stupidity will kill you because they do not know any better.
B J Vincent
1 day ago Well the Pakleds are stupid because they were originally nothing more than a punchline to some Bad joke! The Pakled Warship's are kinda interesting. I honestly don't think I have enough LEGO's at home to build an entire Pakled Warship.
It works thematically, too. A "Lower Decks"-type of ship would not be faced with an Ultimate Enemy like the Klingons, Romulans, Dominion or Borg. No, an Ultimate Enemy that would be on the playing level of a Lower Decks ship would have to be someone like the Pakleds.
And that's reinforced by the Titan (an actual modern warship) immediately kicking the ass of three ships where one had effortlessly disabled the Cerritos and the Solvang.
The Borg: you will be assimilated, the Pakleds: you will be appropriated.
NX-01 started out with a mechanical grappler before it got a tractor beam.
Did it ever get a tractor beam, I can't remember the NX ever getting one.
@@DavidKnowles0 only in alternate future episodes, like E^2. I think the NX-01 might have gotten one with the refit if season 5 had happened.
People still seem to miss an important point with the Pakleds even after Lower Decks, referring to them as dumb/stupid/etc.
There are different sorts of intelligence. The Pakleds clearly struggle with social intelligence, verbal intelligence, etc, when compared to the humans, but they clearly have strong mechanical aptitude if they are able to cobble these ships together so effectively. People assume that because they struggle with verbal communication that they are a joke and underestimate them.
I've worked in special education for 13 years, and I've met many people who are just brushed aside as an r-word who actually excelled in certain areas, often in the technical/mechanical skills. Don't make broad assumptions about someone's "smarts" just because they struggle in one of the more visible areas of intelligence.
A comment on the “Pakled” video on another channel compared their brains to people with Autism Spectrum Disorders; that would also explain the symmetry of their ship design.
A species must posses enough intelligence to conceive and achieve warp travel and propulsion, which we in real life haven’t, making them smarter than us in a way
In their TNG appearance, they didn't have that knack. They kidnapped LaForge because he could fix their ship when they could not. They didn't even know what was wrong with it. These guys have been upgraded in the brains department. The most obvious option is that another entity is providing the technical expertise (mastermind, slave, computer). Genegineering is also an option.
It's a like a Warhammer 40k Space Hulk...but deliberately built to piece together as many parts as possible to make it more powerful. I wonder how much salvage from the Dominion Wars was recovered to build these four battleships.
I still like ,in my head canon, that the Pakled "raiders" had heard about Bog being strong because they have collected all the pieces ( assimilation) and decided that was not dumb idea.
Hell, they have Borg TRACTOR BEAMS!
@@DonaldWWitt Yep. They went up agienst the Borg and oblivated them and savage thier tractor beam without having them self destruct. So, they quickly destroyed a Borg ship without then adapting in time, override thier self destruct code, then adapt thier tech. That's not a joke anymore.
The Grappling Arms is a callback to NX Enterprise before they had their tractor beam
Ship pieces!
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Kind of makes you wonder if the "Unknown" ship piece on top is maybe hinting at something next season, maybe it will be a Titan encounter for instance.
Intresting
boimler will have another moment where he knows what they're doing, just like the trade planet
@@zero_gravity5861 Boimler DOES know what he's doing by this point in the season. He needs to learn initiative, though.
It looks like the Pakled ship is sinisterly smiling 😃 with those two red eyes and two lower pylons.
Another Enterprise!
Make us go, guys, make us go!
The Pakled ships are a turducken of ships. And this show comes out on thanksgiving. Coincident? I think not😆
After seeing the episode these ships featured in, I was reminded of how Troi had a massive freak out when she saw the Pakleds and felt their emotions. It was like she couldn't just feel their emotions, but also what they had the potential to become.
I think this is rather genius... people continue to understimate to seemingly weak minded end up getting bested from time to time... has Star Wars not taught us anything? Usually the insignificant character along the way ends up being pretty important
a moist farmer from Tatooine, a smuggler, and a local princess bully the elderly law enforcer and commit a terrorist attack
The ship look like it has a purpose. The ship look like it has a shipyard built into it at the bottom.
Everyone thinks the Pakled are dumb because of their limit communications skills but it take some skills and knowledge to integrate all of those technologies into a ship that
An given how hard Riker come in, I suspect he knew without the surprise even the Titan wouldn't have been match for three Pakled ships.
The unknown piece on the top tells me that we'll see new races in LW.
Also saw an interview online that said we'll see more of the titan and pakleds next season.
@@TheVentrexian So i take it the pakleds would be the main antagonistic race for lower decks? cause they would be a unique idea.
@@Bird-Birdy-Love they aren't the main antagonists no but the show runners did say they'll be back.
Instead of assimilation, wouldn’t the Pakleds appropriate?
Yeah spot on
We are Pakled. You will be appropriated. You weak! We strong!
@@TheMrPeteChannel We will add your ship pieces to our ship pieces.
@@OmegaReaver Pakled will have all ship pieces. Resistance is stupid.
I love that it has a greedy face. Also the dry dock talons are epic.
It does look like the Pakleds have been salvaging (scavenging) tech and ship parts from the various battlefields of the Dominion War. And a few other incidents besides.
I bet a lot of minor powers benefitted from the Dominion war. It be nice to explore that a bit in season 2. See some races operating a dominion fighters for example.
I've gotta ask, being a non-Trekkie, because I've now heard this term a bunch of times and not just here, but I'm unfamiliar.
Why are the modern JJ Abrams movies referred to as the "Kelvin timeline"?
To me, the word Kelvin only refers to the Kelvin scale for exact temperatures in science.
Is that somehow related to the JJ Abrams films, or is there another reason?
As for the actual Pakled Warships from the episode, it gives the Pakleds a good old boys vibe. You see this a lot in custom old trucks and other old vehicles; the ratrod. They always start as classic trucks, usually 40s and 50s style, but parts are removed and added on and modified to the base vehicle until it's something new. Usually it's done for an artistic/stylish flare, as the new pieces are things like rusty old signs and whatnot just welded together in the shape the former vehicle's body shape, but you're essentially making a new truck that's completely original yet is still a recognizable truck. What these Pakleds did reminds me of that in a way. While they may not be the smartest beings scientifically, they still have the specific skillset to basically ratrod a space ship into something new and cooler. However, their warships, while all unique and different like all ratrod trucks are, still maintained a similar design and aesthetic that still classifies them as Pakled ships as opposed to another race's ship. Pakleds have essentially become the backyard mechanics of space travel. They aren't smart enough to engineer one on their own, but skilled enough to build one from parts.
The Federation help us if there's an intergalactic Auto Zone.
You should be able to google this easily for more details, but in the first JJ movie, the ship in the beginning that fights the Narada is the USS Kelvin. Since the Narada came from the future, this encounter with the Kelvin created a branch away from the Prime timeline, which is why JJ Trek is officially an alternate timeline. I'm not so sure that was always intended since it definitely came out of the backlash, but I can accept they may have because a lot about the Kelvin felt pretty Prime, and it got forgotten since it was dark and because of the focus on the Enterprise, lol.
Sadly, Kurtztrek wasn't so smart and respectful of the backlash so I don't think we have any term trying to make DIS and PIC fit as canon despite claims that it's Prime timeline. People like me simply reject it, so only JJ trek falls under the Kelvin Timeline.
Anyway, nice point about the Pakleds. It definitely fits with their original appearance and a reasonable development. They're alien after all; intelligence manifests itself in different ways but even culturally. They may not have the genetic inclination or cultural environment to encourage novel creativity; maybe they only value or are more capable and curious about appreciating and adapting others' stuff.
Speaking of head canon.. this is the first "StarTrek" show since Enterprise ended that didnt make my head canon cry like a baby.. it's been a 15 year drought. Thankyou Lower Decks!
The cutting beams remind me of something out of Mega Man
Cutting beams looked like the Romulan miming drill on the Narada in JJ Trek.
It seems that whenever a Pakled ship warped in it was quickly surrounded by a cloud of miscellaneous parts, rather like the Peanuts character 'Franklin and his dust cloud.
I think you're thinking of Pigpen.
@@travisbishop782 Doh!
@@curtisrendon204 But that's a good analogy.
I DUBBED THIS NEW CLASS OF SHIP, THE PAKLED TURKEY CLASS WORSHIPS, because its been stuffed with so many different ships.
Also reminds of a Vulture.
Wait, isn't there something called "The Turkey Vulture"?
Well if there wasn't, there is now with this Pakled Turkey Vulture class Klepto-Raider.
HA! Nice!
Cutting Beam reminded me of The Matrix when the Seekers were cutting into The Nebuchadnezzar
To bring another perspective to Pakled intelligence (since how they look and speak doesn't mean much and is honestly judgmental in a way that would also be wrong in the real world), as always, we should remember they are alien. Intelligence can manifest itself in different ways from not only biological but also cultural reasons. Whether it's a biological inclination or based on norms or values in the culture, they may not have much inclination create something completely new on their own (maybe it's even frowned upon; it's insubordinate or ungrateful), but maybe seeing someone else's work and adapting it, improving it, etc., is a much more valuable and rewarding thing to do.
I don't think it's really necessary as any head-canon, but just a reminder on how to have an open mind about aliens. :)
The cutters and grapples reminded me of the automated repair station in enterprise
This was pretty clever, they simply thrive on sheer complacency and built momemtum over the years
Have you guys figured out what species the purple part is? The one where the symbol is the weird triangles? That would be good to know, because that is the part that all four ships have in common, and it's the part with the grapling hooks. So the story probably is that the Pakleds somehow aquired a somewhat large supply of those ships (mining stations?) and that allowed them to start collecting all the other technology. So that purple logo is the key.
Arkonians from an episode of Enterprise according to Memory Alpha apparently.
It has the same diagram design as some of the images on the Arkonian script, you can check out the enterprise episode Dawn to see the reference.
only haveing watched Lower Decks now I must say I love the Pakleds as an enemy here. In general I like the idea of them cobbleing together their larger ships.
As for why their original ship always seems to be in the front? I would think that they might not have set out for that design but as they keep building ships they might have noticed certain things and adjusted .... basically evolution of design over itteration.
One of those things that we know would affect such a cobbled together ship would be structural integrety and stress on said ship when going to warp. So maybe their ships are simply "designed" to allow for modification aftwards. after all they cant really guarante that they are able to salvage a deflector dish or a stable segment of the captured ship that will take the stress. By keeping their front open they can still use their own deflector and the corresponding sensors for travel. I think there are also designes that have major hull segments behind the warpcoils, so since theirs are clearly internal this might simply make it easier for them to attach their salvage to the back if the front is already taken up with their own ship....
In the end design features of the original ship (shared) might lead to a general design of the cobbled together ships.
The Romular mining lase in JJ Abrams Star Trek.
Reminded me of the baddies from the first Elite Force game.
The cutting phaser reminds me of mining platform of the Narada in JJ trek
The cutting lasers reminds me of the ship salvage operation in Jedi Fallen Order, those cutters would be terrifying like they are in this episode
It's like a mad Max style bodged together assortment of components attached to the core ship. Like the other commenters have said most likely Dominion war salvage that they acquired.
The space dock style gantry underneath is very useful so that they can start the attachment process on new ships at the point of salvage. It's actually quite efficient.
It could be also just like in TNG they have captured personnel doing the work for them. As part of the salvage operations they could have also come across survivors in the wreckage and be forcing them to bodge together the parts.
When Boilmer scanned the Packled ship it showed Bajoran parts. This could mean that Bajor hasn't joined the Federation. Also I think Bajor was not still a Federation member in the DS9 documentary which talks about a hypothetical season 8.
The cutting beams look like the ones we saw in the "klingon" breaching pod on the holodeck in an earlier episode.
Canabilised rather than assimilated I'd say
Pakleds are now basically Warhammer 40K Orks.
This is good, thoughtful analysis. Got me to hit the sub button. I don't see the similarity with the TAS Orion vessel though.
The cutting beams reminded me of Total Recall when they melted the martian ice to terraform the planet. I dunno
Hi Guys, Interesting ships that are very cool looking, Are the Pakleds a new danger to the sector?. They must go to battle fields and selvage parts when they are not laying traps.
Look at John archer stole an primary Warp coil to defeat the xindi!
The Pakled game plan seems to be to surprise the enemy with an opening Salvo, before clamping onto them with those grapplers. If the enemy tries to flee, they rip themselves in half. If they don't, they're stuck in place until more Pakleds arrive, presuming there's anything left by then.
this works on smaller ships but if these pakled encounter a war refit galaxy class or nebula class, prometheus class or sovereign class or akira class etc pakled ships will get blown to bits.
I actually used a Pakled (Boff) in STO to make a great looking imitation of 'Stanley Tweedle' For part of my LEXX based Captains Bridge crew, now if only they could get it so you could make a good Giggerota Boff... LololoL
I really hope there's a model released of the ship!
remember all the 80s toys where you could take parts of one set and use them in another?
Hell there's a current toyline, Snap Ships, that takes this play pattern and runs with it, the bad guy ships even share a lot of the same design aesthetics as the Pakled Raiders.
It would have been funny if the 'Unknown' part on top of the Pakled ship was shaped like the central hull of the NSEA Protector.
lol, I like the idea
"And they're all differnt, which shows attention to detail" -- Unlike say... Picard's CopypastaFleet...
That ship schematic shows a Romulan ship from STO as the "Main" ship with pieces shoved onto it.
Look for things. Things you need. Things that make you go.
You are smart.
I really want to know what that 'Unknown' race was as that's a BIG hunk of ship they are using a piece of. Just imagine how big the ship it came from must have been o.O
The packleds are now to start trek as orcs are to war hammer
I wonder if the cutting beams are a reference to DS9 Our Man Bashir with Dr. Noah's lasers?
Could the cutting beams have been modified drills from a Romulan mining ship?
aren't those the beams from the enterprise automated repair station?
cutting beams are like the scraper guild ships from the star wars jedi fallen order game
For some reason the cutting beams remind me of the red hot pillars that go into the ice at the end of Total Recall to release all the oxygen 🤔
12:31 the star trek Enterprise Borg episode the asimilated Earth ship used a cutting beam.
Agreed on the Pakleds not being a unified culture.
I can see a scenario how Shaxs survived here.. he was in an ‘acquired’ ship piece which was weakly connected and was blown away very easily/quickly.... fairly intact. ?
What are all the factions of ships used to make this? I recognize Bajoran, Ferengi, Klingon, and Romulan but not the other one.
Maybe the ships run and stay together because the Pakled want them to, makes them seem like the Orks from 40k.
Maybe they should paint them red so they'll go faster.
"Red makes us go... faster!"
The Pakleds have obviously increased their knowledge. They've been able to combine a number of different species tech to work together. I one refers to the old back story for the Connie. The Constitution was the first ship to incorporate a number of tech from member races of the Federation. Enterprise was the second ship being constructed. The Constitution had a number of issues getting the tech / computers to work together.... They were able to get the systems up and running on the Enterprise because they were able to correct the problems they had found w/ the Constitution resulting in the Ent. launching first while they where tearing the parts that would not work / making repairs on the Constitution resulting in her launching second although she was constructed first....
I totally see Dominion warp nacelles. These guys took out Jem'Hadar. That's more impressive than Romulans or Klingons.
No, more likely they scavenged Dominion War battlefields.
@@sodadrinker89 Yes, that's definitely more plausible. lol
Trekyards
58.1K subscribers "Ha ha ha! And I thought the Enterprise was strong? We are strong!" (Captain Carol Freeman: "This isn't the Enterprise, this is the Cerritos!") "We thought you were the Enterprise?!" (Captain Carol Freeman: "Pakled's?! What the hell do you want?!") "We want your ship pieces to add to our ship pieces, so that we have all the ship pieces!" (Captain Carol Freeman: "Look. Just stop this senseless attack and let's discuss this like...") "NO!!! We are strong!!! WE WILL CUT YOUR SHIP APART!!!"
- Jackabog, 2380 ("No Small Parts")
I wonder if the Pakleds will reappear.
Trekyards be like: We want your money pieces to add to our money pieces! Then we will have all the money pieces!
One thing I have always wondered about the Pakleds is how could they have achieved even the basics of spaceflight much less warp drive seeing how they are so mentally challenged as a species.
They aren't "stupid" like they get that stuff imo. They just don't understand or can't quite comprehend the complexity of most situations?
Well if you want to reconcile the model reuse, you can argue that there's some civilization/company out there selling basic ship hulls to pre-warp species and/or warp species that just need extra ship hulls, and then the customer modifies them with aftermarket parts.
You are mistaking their lack of communication abilities, for their intelligence and cunning in many other areas.
Are the Pakled destined to be the scavengers of the borg?
Why not?
"The BORG they are strong! We fight! Help bring down the ships!The Borg take big things we take the little things!"
Borg: "Will someone rid us of these flies!!!"
Smartrocket today I guess.
Maybe that's what happened to the USS Blackheart...
It's a Pak'Turkey'DeX War Chicken
Give me warp factor in 5,6,7,8 punch 🤛 it
Did captain and commander get sobered up after last night booze cruise through all 10 episodes of Lower Decks?
maybe the cutters are borg
Season 2 enermy?
The ships look like a Turkey Vulture.
They look like something you would see turning into a Megazord that kind of Sentai/power ranger aesthetic.
Same flaw as an imperial star destroyer all the weapons are forward facing nothing facing aft
You expect them to use the parts they harvest in a proper way? Don't forget they got a planet destroying bomb which they friggin wasted it to "test" if it works.
Trolls!
Sir another starship is coming in it’s the titan shields up red alert 🚨
I literally screamed oh God when it was revealed
Sir another starship is coming it’s the titan shields up red alert 🚨
Needs some exclamation points to really drive home how epic it was.