Pikmin 2's Overlooked Battle Mode (An In-Depth Look)
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00:00 - Pick A Man
01:03 - Overview
05:14 - Items
07:07 - Stages
11:33 - Layout Generation
13:07 - Design Flourishes
14:18 - Playing It Today
14:55 - Comedic Wiki Bias
19:05 - Editing Wikis
20:09 - I'm Glad You Came Along... PARTNER
Season: 4
Episode: 26
#pikmin2 #pikmin4 #pikmin3deluxe - Hry
Sup I want to clear the wiki segment up to prevent potential future drama.
Two reasons I talked about it:
1. It's really funny _(please don't harass anyone over comedically bias edits),_ and 2. To promote keeping wiki entries to just the facts without any impartiality.
Anyone can edit these to make them less bias, but it makes more sense to deter something from happening in the first place, than editing pages just to have to do the same thing later.
If you don't want anyone to harass the people changing the wiki then why give a name of one of those people? I'm not saying you want them to be harassed, but you are unintentionally giving them a target.
Edit: Grammer correction
@@redthefoxisWritingUpAStormit wouldn't matter since people can view exactly who made what edit to a wiki. That's how silok knew on the first place. It's not like blurring the name on a comment since on a wiki, people know exactly where to look.
@@redthefoxisWritingUpAStormEspyo left a comment below silok responded to. It doesn't look like there's any hard feelings
I think you did great with that section! It WAS a strong diversion from the original topic but you pivoted back to the focus of Pikmin 2's battle mode by the end and clearly signaled that you were going to go on the tangent beforehand. It was a really interesting look into your personal journey researching this video and I think it was a meaningful inclusion.
@@leftasright Fair point. Seems like they weren't offended anyway so all's well that ends well ^v^
6:08 the fact they could've just made it teleport back, but instead had the marble BOUNCE back like it's mocking you, it's like the visual version of the "neeeh nehneh neeeeeh neh" thing.
Ok I never realized that the pikmin just straight up fistfight each other instead of using their leaves, it’s kind of hilarious!
Their stubby little hands trying to kill the other is just hilarious and I wish this was in the main game, it would be funny to see Pikmin fist fighting a bulborb
They so cute until you realize they have the power to beat each other to death using nothing but their bare hands.
I've had Pikmin 2 for 13 or 14 years and I also now just found out the pikmin actually fistfight.
@@lasercraft32so do children 🤔
As long as the Pikmin wiki isn't consumed by the Fandom site, it's a good wiki.
Hopefully NIWA is here to stay
Fun fact! Originally it was a Fandom/Wikia wiki, but they got so fed up with it all the way back in *2015 or so* that they up and moved to an independent wiki. In fact, they were one of the first wikis to make the move to an independent domain.
@@toriofthestarpalaceFor 2022’s April Fools’ Day, they pretended Hocotate Freight bought the wiki. “‘Another wiki ruined by greed?!’ wiki member says”. Loved that headline.
I know it's not canon, but it's always a crazy experience to hear the Pikmin say something in our familiar language, even if that's just their name, or the leaders' names.
Why is it not canon?
i just imagine one of the captains hearing a pikmin say "They'll never believe you." straight to them
I didn't expect this to turn into an expose video on the Pikmin Wiki Editor Espyo but I'm not complaining. It was funny. Great video as always
If I may ask, can Captains damage eachother by themselves like they can with enemies? I'm asking because I find the idea of Olimar and Louie getting into a bare knuckle fist fight just for the sake of a marble to be really, REALLY funny.
it's not just the marble, its pent-up anger.
Olimar is mad at Louie for being incompetent, food focused, and careless with the lives of pikmin, which are the things that saved Olimars life, and are what they try to use to save the company. financially.
Louie is mad at Olimar for not letting him taste test the first patch of every enemy.
You make the battle mode sound way better than I remember
That's because I guarantee none of us really understood it when we were playing it. I want some sort of Project Slippy thing so we can play Pikmin 2 Battle over the internet.
louie
face
reveal
@@Danodan94Pikhacker would like to say something though check out Heff’s channel for unique Pikmin mods or Quote Balrog
True, if I had known you could randomize them by just holding left on c-stick I would have played with them all the time
@@Danodan94you can technically do that with dolphin emulator's multiplayer online thing btw
probably only with friends or people you have contacts with of some sort but still
Interesting to see your doing all of these multiplayer videos individually. That said, I am very interested to see a more in-depth look at all of them.
that promo you cut on the pikmin wiki was fucking awesome. Never be afraid to do something like that. It was great.
My favorite stage in Piki 2 battle mode was the Angle Maze layout with the Raging Long Legs. Just the idea of a chaotic neutral gigantic monster dropping in out of the blue and breaking havoc on both opposing teams is just the most amusing and exhilarating thing ever.
Silok should be a Pikmin Wiki janitor. Thank you for taking issue with these damaging edits. Let's all do our part to keep wikis formal and informative.
Bingo Battle will forever be my favorite multiplayer mode in Pikmin and I wish it was made online
Knowing Nintendo Switch Online's Stability, I think it's best that it isn't.
@@user-be3qc7re9othe mode is so good, i would chance bad online if it means Online Bingo battle. It’s just that good, I would personally work through it (unless it’s genuinely unplayable, like mario maker 2.)
Wow I remember playing that mode a very long time ago, I unfortunately haven't played it in over a decade though... I'm surprised at how little I knew about it!
Btw about the Wiki section, things like linking to another somewhat similar gamemode (in this case, linking to 3's bingo mode at the top of the page) is actually pretty common practice since the amerage human being tends to have a considerably worse ability to read than most people think, so attempting to give a sign "hey you're not on the right page if you're asking about the pvp in pikmin 3, go here instead if this is the case" is really important. Not defending that user because they obviously were writing obviously biased information but to their credit that specific edit is actually a good thing
Also worth noting that, even for people who can read well, sometimes wikis can be confusing the navigate, or sometimes they just have a brain fart.
...although this guy seems too have a curiously strong bias against Pikmin 2 for some reason.
7:57 Genuinely has to be one of the funniest trolls in Pikmin history, wow
You & Josh Thomas from TheBitBlock are the only two major CZcamsrs who seem to care about Pikmin battle mode, it is so refreshing.
I loved the Pikmin 2 Battle Mode as a kid, my friend and I's favorite thing to do wasn't even competing against each other, instead we liked to play on the map with the Raging Long Legs and just work together to try and kill it.
Same, my brother and I would do silly things like go to the snow level and just punch everything to death. I think we rarely touched the yellow marbles
Im so glad someone is giving the battles modes in each Pikmin game an in-depth look as I love all 3 of them equally! Each has their own unique strengths and weaknesses so it's fun to see what each brings to the table!
Petty opinions have ALWAYS been a problem in the pikmin community.
So I am not surprised at all that there's petty bias showing in the wiki.
The best thing us how Olimar and Louie either get more smug or more salty
WAOT THE TROLL FACE OLIMAR AND PISSED OFF LOUIE FACES ARE REAL?1!1!1!2!!
Thanks for the real Pikmin content that isn't "have you heard of Pikmin"
One game mode, an infinity of memories.
silok btw, on the pikmin types tier list, whites in 3 didn't get a poison buff, but instead pikmin 3 deluxe enemies generally have less health, it looks like a buff and really should've.
Given the chance, Olimar will throw a bomb rock at Louie with his own two hands. You think you know a guy.
Cant wait to see the in depth analysis of pikmin 4!
Don't tell me about no Dandori battle boy. I was there, in the shit, when there was no mercy. We lost so many min, my god we lost so many.
me and my sister love the battle modes, we even have our own self imposed rule where we each start with 50 pikmin and go down by 5 depending on who wins which often leads to chaos
This gamemode was my childhood. I spent hours playing this with my neighbor. Still my favorite vs in Pikmin.
I like the splatoon background music, you should keep doing it
Pikman 2 battle mode is my favorite thing to do with friends, and it will always have a special place in my heart, especially the time when I buried all 50 of friends pikman while trying to stop me from stealing his marble
also 69th like
I really wish the Switch versions of 2 and 3 had online versus battles that would've been amazing
Dude, your pikmin videos are amazing and for some reason I've already watched this video twice (that may just be because its 1am) and I'm just trying to praise how good these are. You made me really want to play this battle mode with my friends and I'm looking forward to your bingo and dandori battle analysis soon
Pikmin 2 player battle (and all the vs modes in general), are some of the best things pikmin has to offer. Shame nintendo still hasnt given online functionality to dandori battle. Oh well, on the bright side we have emulators and the pikmin modding community to give us a varied of vs experiences we can play online with friends.
Also fun fact 1:18 in 2p battle actually blues get buffed to have red pikmin damage, instead of reds being nerfed
The spicy spray thing IS correct, but only for the cutscenes when a treasure is collected, and ONLY applies to the pikmin that carried said treasure. Their timer doesn't stop, but the timers for all other pikmin are paused.
I figure it's because the game has them shown celebrating or returning to the captain and thus doesn't pause gameplay for them.
If you ever look closely, if you have a captain nearby, they are invisible along with the pikmin in their squad, you can tell where they are because the treasure carriers will run right up to the nonexistent captain.
i like louie he's funny
Same!
He killed me but he’s a good lad!
Great video! It took me ages to find a good Pikmin pvp video.
8:05 The Raging Long Legs can also drop a ton of 1-pellets, so the developers are not entirely evil 👍
Pikmin 2 has a lot of personality, that’s why it’s my favorite!!!
Great coverage! The Wiki section was hilarious
6:48 Yo Spotty Bulbear being as a momster drop would be actually insane. Holy am I glad they didn't put that in 💀
Good video love 2p battles glad they getting more attention
12:39 I checked, it's a visual glitch. It just switched to a shot of the three layouts for a frame.
Always appreciate the music choices in these videos. I am not saying because of the Splatoon rep, nope, i swear
Oh good, someone who has a similar opinion regarding Pikmin 1 and 2's swarm command as I do.
I *really* miss swarming, it legitimately feels like I have less control over my army. Pikmin 3 mitigates that issue somewhat with better Pikmin AI and 4 basically removes the problem entirely with the introduction of Oatchi, but for me swarm was kind of what made the series work and I miss it a lot.
That’s what literally everyone says
They added it at the very end of 4, you literally unlock it after the 4th floor of the final cave in the game
@@mystrenula3911 yeeeeeeah that doesn't really cut it for me. That's way too late in the game to unlock what I consider to be a core ability.
I remember hearing somewhere that in the Switch version that the 3 stage choices are bugged and always random.
I never went back to play 2 player mode. But as a kid, I enjoy this a lot. Even with my siblings, we had a blast and it was pretty challenging. Most of my losses was either due to my pikmins getting shocked, blown up, or get crashed by rocks, leaving me to regrow my pikmins. Other case is when the breadbugs kept stealing my marble and when they die, both of my siblings would steal my marble and before I can stop them, they would use the bitter spray on my squad and I couldn't do anything. Also anytime Raging Long Leg, I would go out of my way to kill that thing.
Are we not going to bring up how the Pikmin can speak thanks to them chanting their captain’s name when they are winning?
Holy oh my god someone is talking about the Pikmin battle modes oh my god my life has been saved I LOVE these so much!
Oh man I had so much fun with 2P Battle as a kid, multiplayer was super fucking chaotic and fun.
Can't wait for Bingo Battle's video lol
Fun fact: Since both players have the same lose conditions (damage, extinction, having marble captured) it is possible to draw the game. It end in a draw by both players dying at the same time, having all of their pikmin die in the same attack (bomb rocks are an excellent way to get a draw via extinction), and having both players colored marbles be captured at the same time. Also I think that the simultaneous marble collection can be because one has 4 and the other has the other color, but I'm not sure. If the round ends in a draw, the song will end with the pikmin chanting both names, rather than the winner's name.
1:04 THE MUSIC! SO NOSTALGIC
The blue Pikmin are actually buffed to matched the damage of the red Pikmin in Pikmin 2's battle mode. You can check this by seeing how many hits it takes for a single Pikmin to break an egg. For reds it normally only takes 4 hits, whereas for blues it normally takes 5. But in battle mode, blues only need to do 4 hits.
i wonder if he'll do a breakdown of nintendoland's pikmin battle mode, that would be fun to see
FUN FACT: u could also choose an earlier version of a wiki to revert it back.
I would be so happy if they made it where you could play online with random people. Because my family refuses to play with me.
You can play online with parsec/dolphin
at around 12:38 something pops in for a single frame and then disappears
its just the three different variants of the map
this is such a cool part of the pikmin games and i SO wish nintendo gave them online for the switch releases/pikmin 4.
My main reason for not playing multiplayer in Pikmin is simply bc I don't have any friends who play Pikmin
It's not too great when one person knows how to play and the other doesn't
If Pikmin 4 had a ranked online mode, I'd play it a ton for sure
The spicy spray thing is actually true, but it only applies to the one pikmin shown in the cutscene. Also, the timer freezes once the dialogue box appears, so sitting in the cutscene for a while won't affect it.
You can see the one pikmin power down early at 18:19 (center-right in the squad).
That being said, that wiki editor phrased their explanation very poorly, so I can't fault the misconception. Weird choice to edit the wiki on a game they seem to think so lowly of.
10/10, you can have pikmin boxing tournaments where both players start by throwing their first pikmin into a middle ground, and the winning pikmin fights the next pikmin of the other side until its defeated, rinse and repeat.
This. I like Pikmin 4 a lot but not having Bingo Battle is a huge knock against it for me
So glad the funny got to be apart of a battle map
Tbh i only ever played 4 but this will be an very interesting series so thanks i hope you will talk about the disappointment from no online in 4
I have about 1morbliion hours in it, so yea i fucken love it
Hey, it's me, Espyo! The wiki segment was pretty funny, and I've got some notes to add.
* The note about the smooth transitions in Angle Maze looks to be somewhat true, checking it again. The far edges of the floor and even the walls transition pretty roughly, and overall the transition isn't natural. The article has no other place for that information to go, and this is worth documenting since no other place in the game does this. The information on the layouts was moved to the technical data, but there isn't any information in prose in the article. Can you tell that these articles haven't been touched in ages? ;) They need some cleanup, and poor little baby 2014 me was just doing his best.
* The other stages having 3 layouts and nothing else is because of the rest of the paragraph: the stages mentioned earlier come with all sorts of changes to the norm in their generation, and the stages that remain don't -- they just have the 3 layouts and nothing else to note.
* The spray duration one is actually true, but looks like it got worded poorly somewhere. Only the Pikmin in the cutscene loses out on time.
* Pikmin 3 "fixed" it in the sense that the mistake was a result of how cutscene-centric objects keep ticking their logic during a cutscene, so they can animate in them. The Pikmin 3 devs had to purposely go out of their way to override the normal spray logic (and drowning logic and such) to not tick during cutscenes.
* TCRF's opening paragraphs are all about comedy and sarcasm!
* The redirects exist when a reader wants to find Bingo Battle, but doesn't know the mode's name. They'd search the wiki for some form of two-player mode, and would stumble upon that page thinking it's it because of the name. The redirect notice exists to gently point them in the right direction. Speaking of, it's missing the Pikmin 4 one...
* The bias is wrong actually! I love 2 the most, by far.
* If you spot any sort of bias around the wiki, regardless of editor, please let me or another staff member know.
* I have over 44 thousand edits, so it's only normal to catch a handful of really bad ones, especially from when I was younger. It's pretty funny looking back, and some of the typos I made make me cringe so hard...
* Overall, if you or anyone spots anything wrong, just be bold and edit it to correct it! The wiki is not perfect and will never be, but with the community's help we will walk in that direction.
Ay! My intention wasn't to berate you, so thanks for not taking it personally.
I was just noticing many of the entries on the particular subject were worded much differently than the rest of the wiki and thought it was funny.
I did notice A LOT of the wiki was thanks to you, so legit, hats off to you for adding so much.
I truly do love the wiki and have mad respect for those who keep it alive, so again, this wasn't meant to be any sort of attack on the site or yourself and I apologize if it came off that way.
Edit: Also sorry your comment wasn't showing up earlier, it was in the "held for review" tab (presumably due to the length)
@@silokhawkNo worries, thanks for the words!
I had pointed out to other people that I did explain things in a comment, but when everyone started noticing my comment didn't appear, things got confusing. I figured it was just a silly CZcams thing, so I'm glad that's cleared up.
@@srb2EspyoDon't worry, the Giant Breadbug will come for you in your sleep
This video made me realize my phone has a left and right speaker. Thank you.
I think I played more of pikmin 3's bingo battle than pikmin 3 itself! Sometimes we still come back to pikmin 2's p vs.
6:10
the squeaking is what gets me.
also someone should fire Esypo from the pikmin wiki.
i loved playing bingo battle all the time
Great Pikmin video as always dude. Also whats the music playing at 3:48?
Undertow from Splatoon 2
I never knew a multiplayer mode for Pikmin 2 existed until now
I remember liking the vs mode a lot as a kid but I always won because none of my friends played Pikmin before we would play together. Wish I could’ve enjoyed a more equal experience with this mode.
Really late to say this, but they were right about the sprays, just (as per their M.O.) very misleading.
During the first few seconds of the cutscene, before the gameplay freezes, the timer continues to tick down... on the singular enemy/pikmin that appears in the cutscene.
Video/Stream idea Do pikmin 4 100% but a no death run, if a pikmin dies you gotta rewind, if a pikmin dies in a challenge or night expidition you gotta restart, I been doing this and im on my 4th full restart cause there is no restart the day option
Bingo battle is still goated
Can't wait for the Pikmin 3 video! My partner and I have played 100+ hours of Bingo Battle together and I can't wait to learn some of it's secrets!
Here's hoping Pikmin 4 gets Bingo Battle DLC!
im gonna try get my family to play it with me since i only ever had 1 gamecube controller
Hey silok hawk im making a pikmin drawing series called Pikmin PTSD and it featuring every single enemy but what do you recommend im already working on the first episode also im gonna do this for different Pikmin CZcamsrs don shack suggested a man at legs foe the first episode what enemy do you recommend?
The beginning of the pit against Dandori
Thanks for making an already expensive game even more desirable with a well done video! Sincerely, a GameCube owner that doesn't own this yet 😅
while the pikmin wiki clearly has its flaws, im still super glad its not a fandom or fextralife wiki lmao. those are so much worse
Just FYI you can only pick up bombs in that 1 specific stage in the ENTIRE game!
Fun fact! Did you know that regardless if you have all upgrades, the water damage the Watery blowhog do in story mode will still make your captains do the damaged animation? Yet in vs mode Louie is immune to this, making it the only occasion a water attack does nothing to a captain
0:56 "I'm SiloCock"
played this yesterday
Please do an enemy tier list PLEASE
This is the only appearance of the ghost Pikmin
They should turn battle mode into a full on online spin off game, with references to the games, like the Primordial Thicket, Garden of Hope, and Wistful Wilds.
nice
what buttons is it for wii and switch to pick up bombs ?
and how do i choose the version on switch or wii?
You should have edited the wiki dude’s changes back to the better version
I saw another pretty wierd edit on the wiki once, i wonder if that's r/pikmin insanity leaking over
I’m here for the wiki drama
15:00 do you edit the wiki when that is the case
Do Pikmin have HP? Otherwise, how do the Pikmin v Pikmin battles work?
I want to see if there is a tournament for these
I want to get good if i know there is a recent tournament for these
Also i always seem to get bombarded by 20 pikmen attack me, not moving sporadically enough to shake them or get spawn camped at my base. Oh well
I loved playing battle mode for the first time with my brother.
I'd already been playing pikmin for years, but Pikmin 4 was his first real experience with it, and seeing how differently we played in Pikmin 2 battle was a lot of fun.
No way its the piktuber!!!!
This game mode is peak especially with the pikmin combat compared to pikmin 3 bingo battle