Why you are WRONG about the Knight's Templar and the Freemasons!
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- Did the Knight's Templar of the 13th & 14th Centuries really hide among the Medieval Craft guilds and become Freemasons? Grand Archivist & Grand Historian, Arturo de Hoyos, 33rd Degree Grand Cross and Maynard Edwards, 32nd Degree KCCH discuss the issue and examine the difference between the Authentic school of Masonic history and the Romantic school of Masonic history.
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Shout out your Lodge and/ or Valley! If you have thoughts or comments lets hear them!!
The Pharaohs are still working through these groups today and you wouldn't know this at these lower levels.
This “lower level” trope is nonsense.
So sorry I missed getting to meet I’ll. Bro. De Hoyos at the Dallas reunion! Greetings from the Dallas valley!
great reactions fraternal greetings from sweden
ok, here i am again, commenting on one of your older videos
the book he mentioned about Star Wars ..i have it, and a series Campbell put out about myths
he was one of Authors i looked up to, showing how myths and social psychology are intertwined
i wanted to go to school, for what he taught, but since i couldn't find a school, i never went
I've read John Robinson but I still think that Freemasonry came from working stone masons guilds. Some say that's too simplistic but that doesn't mean it's not possible.
It’s actually the most likely theory. We have a lot of proof that masonry came from operative guilds and NONE that it came from templarism.
@@ScottishRiteMasons Ah but the fan favorite theory is that Blue Lodge came from Operative craft and Templare that refused to go away like the Sinclairs and the renamed one order of christ group in spain had some members/persons join the blue lodge to influence/guide/infuse secrets. Such as the York Rite Cryptic degrees telling about the Kensinton rune stone numbers.
The Confimed Henry Sinclair did land in the Empire of the Mi'kmaw People a Recognized First Nation , in whats now called Nova Scotia Templar symbols on stone.
Evidence is iffy at best. More research may yield more information. But time will tell.
Shout out!!! Elmore Lodge no. 30
Can you comment on Charles Heckathorn’s Legend of the Temple? Is this a view held by Masons nowadays?(strictly speaking about Hiram Abiff’s family lineage) I have asked many brothers here in Idaho and no one has even read the story at all…
I will bring this up with Art!
On Templar wealth: Philip The Fair to Knights Hospitallers:
"Check's in the mail."
(... Pay no attention to "the coffers of an avaricious king ...")
(Texas San Marcos Lodge 342 - Austin Valley)
Never trust a pretty boy…
What about the influence of Bernard of Clarvaux, if any, on Masonry?
So Bro Art and Bro Maynard have you read the John J Robinson books ???
We have. Doesn't change our opinions.
What about the Sinclair's & the construction of Rosslyn Chapel?
Great content for non masons also
Thanks for watching!
@@debbiecooper3661 i follow Jesus Christ tho i see G things not evil as many may see it controversey
I really don't think it's as simple as that, seems that's what you want, but the Templars were vast, varied and spread out. They were the first major corporation of sorts and developed a banking system. It's a very long and complicated story and I don't think anyone knows all the facts because they weren't documented, the Masonic order of Knights Templar derives its name from the medieval Catholic military order Knights Templar. However, it does not claim any direct lineal descent from the original Templar order. Seriously? Then why use the name? What is to be gained from it?
they definitely are connected
Sign of reverence. Some freemason knights templar have claimed lineage in past but not most. My great great grandfather from Detroit lodge was knights templar. I don't show family record or oral tradition they came from the historic ones nor do I have record of him claiming so from that line. He was 32nd degree grand master. They were all inventors with patents though. His son invented the diamond drill for jewelry. I was under the impression growing up they had the secrets to math in the universe. And they came from stone masons long ago. That was my understanding.
The same reason people claim to be ninjas and samurai when they aren't- they are trying to associate themselves with a set of ideals. They want to be seen as being as honorable and upright as the Crusaders seem to have been.
No. They are not.
@@ScottishRiteMasons you know nothing about freemasonry you little sheep
There's no connection. Some might want it to be. Not only historically but the Freemasons didn't come about until at least after 300 years after the Templars disbanded.
P.S.
To be clear "I will admit"... I'm NOT a fan of the Freemasons but what I stated is historical fact. 😊
Great interview brothers, always seeking the Truth, greetings From Venezuela 🔗🔗🔗
The Knights Templar likely had working free masons with them. I don’t think you’ll find too many soldiers then or now that can build the tunnels and structures that were built. The masons learned from the knights and the degrees were already part of learning their craft.
The army corp of engineers might disagree with you on soldiers building tunnels and bridges.
The KT were warrior monks who were destroyed in 1307 They were not Sappers and Miners
Didn’t the Templars do a lot of that because people kept getting attacked at the time? It would certainly make sense in the context of the Crusades. Plus, a lot of those people I read somewhere were benefactors of the Templars because they gave them purpose and places to be. (I think a lot of them too were less well off before joining the order, and I remember reading somewhere that one of them tried to help the Order during the trials by the King of France.)
Its finally confirmed! The house of the temple is filled with secret caches of gold coins! ;)
the secret entrance is just down the hall past the ark of the covenant, if you find the golden fleece you've gone too far!
Dude!! Shhh….
You want people to get eaten by the guard werewolves??
;)
And even if you do make it past the werewolves, you’ll still have to contend with the Army of Grumpy Past Masters.
But what about the holy grail??? 😱
@@Ammeeeeeeer The first rule of the Holy Grail is we don't talk about the Holy Grail.
We swapped out the fleece for the golden apples last week in a display refresh. The fleece will be moved to the 6th floor for storage.
Not what Albert Pike said
The skull and bones logo of the templars was found in the first lodge in Scotland right down the road from the Roslyn chapel and the local Templar village
Neither Templars nor masons can lay exclusive claim to the skull and bones. There’s no historic connection to Templars and masons. We all wish it were so. There just is no proof.
@@ScottishRiteMasons the templars put that symbol on all their grave sites and flew it as flag on their ships. they are the first recorded group to use that symbol so nice try boys. this can be revealed with simple internet searches. now who used it before the templars is up for debate it seems to start with them and they needed to go undercover and recruit more members so descendants of them that survived the catholic purge started the freemasons as an indirect recruiting tool. thats all that can deduced. what is cool is that they seemed to be instumental in founding the Whig party in the UK which has resulted in america and for that i am grateful but they are currently at odds with the Christians in the us right now and that will be their downfall as a hidden organization, we have to expose them for their corrupt false flag attacks they keep doing with their influence in the CIA, thats really my beef with them
It's a Memento Mori. A reminder that your life is finite and one day, that'll be you. It pre-exists freemasonry but it's a part of freemasonry, stoicism..probably lots of spiritual groups
@@JosephE-yd6ks yes but this symbol has history and you can trace it back to a founder if you look for historical accounts. seems to start with the templars which is important because the symbol is still heavily in use by politically powerful organizations but not marketed as particularly important or without special meaning but it is the oldest symbol if it is from the templars so there is something to it that is not being discussed, (cough cough: the templars were executed for demon worship) so that symbol has an old link to demon worship litterally originated from it. not saying to execute them them today because we have freedom of religion but it needs to be revealed to the voters so we can be informed because right now no news organization is talking about it
once the secrets get out it will hurt recruitment for them because the organization wont seem as intimidating. if we can link the templars to that symbol it exposes them heavily in the modern era. they seem semi-organized from what i can gather. there is not much information to go off of right now but even now there is more out there than there ever was
@@GodGuy8 interesting points!
Love Templers!!!!!
Ancient Picts of today's Scotland mixed with later Scots from Scotia (todays Ireland) and the Vikings and built the fiercest warrior guide called the Gallowglass Warriors, these Gallowglass were the real Templar Knights and trained the Nights Templar's
This is grossly untrue.
Dang it. WHERE IS THE 2nd THUMBS UP. TWO THUMBS UP!
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Where are today's direct descendents of the historic knights templar?
Well. Since most of the order was chaste, I’m guessing they died out pretty quick.
The knights hospitalier are still around.
Wherever the Templars went it wasn’t among the masons.
@@ScottishRiteMasons so are people or researchers looking for them? Im a direct descendant. But I can't find anything to connect with family today. I know of 1 other descendant personally and there was a guy in a comment section but he wasn't direct and had a fanciful tale of being hunted. Lol your video was the first I found to offer accuracy. I just don't understand why I'm not finding anyone else.
@@darlenemestas5839 Where are you doing your genealogy? With today's public databases on the internet with genealogy, dna testing, old tax, court, census, gravestones, marriage licenses, immigrations record, you can connects thousands of people to each other very quickly over many centuries. Especially if you're from the UK. Have you you tried the mormon records? If they practiced celibacy you won't find much descendants but you can see if they have siblings. Which Templar is your ancestor?
Riddle me this. What’s shown on the carvings in Rosslyn Chapel? …an EA ceremony. That’s a clear connection between the KT and Craft Freemasonry. 😉
No. It’s not.
@@ScottishRiteMasons so what were the Sinclair’s depicting in that carving?
In the Rosalyn Chapel? They’ve made all kinds of claims over the years. But it’s not evidence of Templar and Masonic connection.
@@ScottishRiteMasons Good Sirs, in the Roslyn Chapel, there is a carving of a blind-folded man, his neck in a cable-tow, with one trouser-leg up, and his breast open. The Sinclairs are a Templar Clan. The Chapel was built pre-Freemasonry, and now Freemasons perform that ritual. This is the connection between Templars and Freemasons.
Templars go to Scottland and hide in a secret org and there is no physical evidence. Imagine that. I call it a success.
Using the concept of "No proof is proof" is not valid in anyway. We'd love for there to be a connection. There is NO actual historical evidence of it anywhere to be found.
Gives us back the apple of eden.
Nah. We keeping it.
I understand the part of educating Mason about history and ‘clearing up’ some historical romantic beliefs, but in the realm of possibilities everything is possible.
Who is there to say that 700 years from now someone will find in some obscure vault a parchment stating otherwise.
You say ‘potato’, I say ‘potater’.
Sometimes we could be too smart for ourselves.
The bottom line; let each man, Mason, believe what he may.
Bro. Carlos A. Ávila, Sec., “Luz de America # 255.
32* Valley of Miami and York Rite Mason in Commandery # 13 in Miami.
Possible. But we need proof. We can’t just declare things that we want to be true as true. And there is no proof.
@@ScottishRiteMasons ; I agree. The best policy is not to ‘argue’ if it is o it is not.
I apply a particular way to deal with the profanes. Whenever someone asserts that we Masons do this or that, whether it is true or not, I neither deny it no confirm the assertion. I leave them in the dark. My answer is always; “Is that what you believe? Ok.”
You should see the Catholic templars today the knites of Malta are still in their base 😂
King Solomon built a temple for the worship of Ashtoreth
We use Solomon as a symbol of wisdom, not as an Idol or a deity.
@@ScottishRiteMasons thank you for clarifying this.
How did freemasonry philosophy contribute to establishing Christianity as religion, in the early time? Before Christianity is divided into two east and west, nowadays miserable position?
Christianity predates Freemasonry by at least 1000 years. So it’s wholly inaccurate to suggest the fraternity as we know it had any influence on the early days of Christianity.
The alleged connection between the Templars and Christianity is romantic, but not factual. The crusaders like the Templars did help spread Christianity and also assisted pilgrims traveling from Europe to the Holy Land. But as is stated clearly on the video the just is no evidence of a connection between any of the Crusading Knights and stone-mason guilds that would eventually give rise to what we know of as Freemasonry today.
Freemasonry go's back before Christianity Egyptian is the first known trace
My grandad trained me into my own order said I'd be in the Angel of truth for the families because someone had to do universal law was my orders I had to swear to it he said my order was to protect the faith millitary order of the red cross ... A special one off further back from the essenes
Said I'd be the blood stained angel and I'm going to heaven ... And my mums team isn't...because she's of the hell I'm of the heavens
Your granda told you your mother's "of the hell"... That's kinda fucked dude... Think for yourself.
Sounds like your Granddad likes to tell tall tales.
Fake news..lol. I think freemasonry came from the Knights Templar meeting up with remnants of the Essenes after exploring UNDER Solomon'sTemple ruins... (Why are those pillers 2 different heights agn?) Sand elevator any1?.. Akhenaten=moses, and im pretty sure the Essenes wher originally the Egyptian priests in charge of maintaing the Ark of the Covt, while it was inside its pyramid before Akhenaten removed it.. I wish u guys would just come clean with it already. The world is waiting!
This is untrue and silly.
@@ScottishRiteMasons exactly the kind of reply id expect.. Who where the Freemasons "Ramsay and Pritchard" then.... And what exactly is "The Cremona document ".. I think youve lost your Scottish roots brother.. The truth needs to come out
@@alohaandchillohana i guess, youd have to learn what "the Ark" did in the past to begin with... And then youd have to realize that whatever it contained allowed Moses and the Hebrews to cross the Red Sea.... Then, youd have to realize that an Ark type box that contains a "god" IS an Egyptian concept... Then, youd have to look at what the ACTUAL purpose of the Great Pyramid was.... It wasnt a tomb. It was a machine... Yeah, i know, thats weird! But go read "the Giza Power Plant" and see the parts that are still left.. So, Akhenaten tried to convert egypt to monotheism. Look at what HE was teaching... When it didnt work out he was forced to leave.. Changed his name to Moses, and then returned to TAKE the Hebrews out.. Well, looks like he took something else when he left too... Something that was likely inside the stone box inside the Pyramid... So why did the pharaoh send his whole army after Moses? Id say all the lights in Egypt probly went out after Moses left. And the Pharaoh wanted his power source back... Didnt get it though. It ended up in Solomon's temple... After that, and much later, the king of Babylon decided to take Jerusalem. They surrounded it, and dismantled the whole temple, and then took it to Babylon in pieces.. The Ark wasnt found though. Because it was hidden underground.... And whatever was in it was taken to Ethiopia... When the Templar Knights took Jerusalem and occupied the temple mount, they did alot of digging. And followed the trail.... THATS the info they had and why the pope and a few others had them exterminated... Well, the survivors fled Europe and headed to N America. Changed their name to "Freemasons" and to this day ARE STILL KEEPING THESE SECRETS .. Dont ask me to prove all this in a CZcams comment section... Please, by all means, dont take my word for it, go research this and see for yourself...
@@kilroy6765knight Templars were Christian monks, mason's don't believe in God, and that's a fact.
@@stillvotingarewe.Lies
Scottish Rite taking jabs at the York rite? lol jk
Lol. Not in the slightest. We are all in fact York Rite masons.
But as guardians of history in a manner of speaking it’s important, that we separate our romantic history from our authentic history.
this is either misinformation or disinformation
probably misinformation in this case
This video is what’s known as FACTUAL information.
There is NO conclusive proof of a Templar/ Freemason connection. The modern groups- including Masonic ones- using the Templar name are doing so in a romantic attempt ascribe to the knights ideals.
If there were ANY ties between the crusading knight and modern freemasonry we’d shout it from the roof tops.
Agreed. I would suspect originating within anti-Catholic sentiment. The Knights Templar were smeared in the past as devil worshippers and homosexuals. Their own pope turned on them over money after they had answered the pope’s call to defend all Christians. At the time, the Knights Templar, most of whom were not soldiers, were pioneers in banking. You could make a deposit with the Knights Templar in one place and withdraw credit from the Knights Templar at another.
Full of lies
You misspelled facts.
I laugh at your ignorance. Yet appreciate it.
I laugh at you attempting to refute proven fact.
There is no legitimate historic connection between the Templars and Freemasons. Have a great day.