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This subject is the most important there is in our contemporary world. It's just a shame when private investors try to muscle in on important finds like this and shut all doors on the public gaze. This is the heritage of every human being alive today and not the property of money handlers with vested interests. Watch Randall Carlson's podcast, Kosmographia, for dozens of hours of discussion on the pre-iceage world and its human activities. It's ludicrous to still be holding onto the notion that 12,000 years ago we were all hairy bumbling idiots making a living off the land and living in caves. That paradigm is becoming more and more incompatible with the rising waters of evidence and it's almost at the point at which the current paradigm just cannot dam the pressure building behind it anymore. Of course there was relevant human activity during the stone-age and iron-age when the academics believe there was, but there was clearly a lot more going on elsewhere at the same time and long before then. Gunung Padang is just one of many incredible sites worldwide and clearly shows that human beings have been very busy and very innovative for a very long time; much longer than academics have estimated and peddled to the public so far. I just don't understand why there's so much resistance to new and non-outlandish concepts such as a lost pre-iceage civilisation. The first argument is always; "well there couldn't have been a lost civilisation because we don't find cars, buildings or any other advanced technology anywhere from that time." That is a loaded argument and is based on the supposition that "advanced" means the modern conception of vehicles and electricity. Surely advanced technology for such "primitive" people would be something as humble as fishing with a line and hook, or using modified bones as sewing needles. There's evidence now that someone was creating jade jewellery and using powered drilling technology to drill holes more than 35,000 years ago. Jade jewellery is hard enough to work on but achieving drilling technology that far back when we were meant to be feckless apes is incredible. There's obviously a large part of our history that we either got wrong or don't know about. Frankly, it's parsimonious to assume that academics have got it wrong because they simply didn't have all of the evidence or knowledge beforehand. But then why don't new discoveries lead to a progression or development of the picture already in place. It's surely the very obligation and definition of progress to embrace new evidence as it comes in and to incorporate it into the current paradigm or allow for it to lead to an entirely new paradigm. How can we progress as human beings if we don't even know where we came from. How can we truly progress when the picture of our past has been painted for us using the few facts we thought we knew at the earliest stages of the studies of our origins. It is incompetent to insist that we know it all from the very first few studies when new evidence is emerging all the time. No police detective would be satisfied with the initial, most simple theory first proposed when new evidence is coming to light unless they were trying to cover up a deeper truth or simply just a bad and lazy detective. We all have an equal right to the truth of the human story and to be a part of the discussion. Sadly, these days politics and private vested interests have completely muddied the water so that we are being deprived an accurate and clear picture. What a great pantomime it is to live in the modern world. We're all better off asking our own questions and researching subjects thoroughly because the people who make the big decisions tend not to be free-thinkers and often have layers of intent rolled in with what they say and do. However, those who turn 180 degrees in an attempt to think freely and see the so-far unexplained evidence as proof that aliens were involved have taken a similar route and made presumptions based on fanciful ideas with questionable evidence. Academics respond by digging their heels in deeper and alien enthusiasts respond to that by swinging their ideas even further out. The truth is buried somewhere in the middle of these extremities; which is the reality with most things.
So sad to see science derailed by nationalism and egos and $$$$. All the people of this earth of mankind and especially the Indonesian people have the right and the privilege to share this concealed knowledge. It won't change anything - it will increase our respect for the ones who came before.
Sundaland=Before become archipelago, Malay archipelago=after become archipelago. remember sundaland is not sunda ethnic and malay archipelago are not malay[melayu] ethnics.
Right it doesn't have to be aliens, although it wouldn't be ancient "Indonesians" either since we are talking pre-ice age and the people that currently occupy that area were pre-dated by a much more ancient people of a very different origin. That is most likely why the dig was ordered to stop. Same thing has happened in Egypt once DNA samples from mummies began showing they were not the same people that currently occupy Egypt, and same goes for China and Japan as well.
>before the last ice age SMH, the ice age ENDED ~11,700 years ago. 20,000 year old date would mean that it was constructed during the last ice age, specifically around the last glacial maximum. Also, I don't think that it changed *everything* this could just be a local development and keep in mind that the total layers have a time gap of ~13,000 years from 20,000 years ago to 7,000 years ago. It is entirely plausible for it to have been made a renovated over a period of 13,000 years.
@@user-yl2px6fp2o umm.. ok. Yes obviously. What I mean by we don't know who is that there isn't really a historical record of who the ancient Indonesians /whoever inhabited Indonesia were during that time period of 25,000 years ago.
I think its about time we start rethinking what we think we know about history. I may take some time to alter our thoughts on reality... Likely not in our life time ;(
Old name for this region is Parahyangan or Priangan, in javanese and sundanese myth, there is a "Hyang" or "Sang Hyang", more like god or devas in hindu myhtology, "Para Hyang an" means a places where Hyang stay, i think this is one of the proof, there is advanced civilization at that time, where people see they have more power than average human and worship them like a god. Maybe
You may wish to do some research on the mud flood (put it in YT search) to get closer to the truth about this place and other similar places right before your eyes ; )
I think that mud flood per say was the flood of Noah and the Ark he and his sons built but the only history book I know that goes back that far is the Bible.
@@jrgmty7685 i havent seen any evidence of "cave man" the older sites get more and more advance, more precise, more megalithic. "cave man" is just another conspiracy theory from pompus academic nutters, like "theory of evolution" all lies, to protect the papal supremecy
It's unfortunate how many people fail to distinguish cultural evolution from biological evolution and then cite setbacks in the former as proof that the latter isn't true. This site would actually support the idea that the people who were around during the ice age were more culturally advanced than academia gives them credit for. And, again, if true, it supports Gobeckli Tepe and vice versa. We know what modern humans can achieve when their culture undergoes a paradigm shift from knowledge based on myth and legends to knowledge creation using the scientific method. We went for hunter gatherers to a techo society in 10,000 years. The mainstream does not want to acknowledge that , what with modern humans being extant for almost 200 millennia, there has been more than ample time for people exactly like us to create an advanced culture. And social history is full of examples of societies that progress forward and fall back when a flood or plague or war ravages their people. Just think of a nuclear war! But we know damn well that the world seems deceptively safe but there are big rocks lurking in the sky that, if a big enough one hit us, we would be back to hunting and gathering. and there is evidence that that is exactly what happened at the end of the ice age, about 12,000 years ago, coniciding in a puzzling manner with the erection of the structures at Gobeckli Tepe. Coincidence? Not bloody likely. Not when it seems like plant and animal domestication and other sophisticated cultural achievements all seem to emerge at the same time from the same place. Somebody appears to have made preparations for the disaster that ended the ice age and flooded the world. When the mud dried up they came out of their safe houses and rebooted civilization.
sono stato a Gunung Padang nel marzo del 2017 e confermo che non vi erano tracce di ricerche in corso e nessuno del posto mi ha saputo dire se vi fossero iniziative del genere in procinto di essere iniziate. Poi ci si lamenta se vi sono persone che parlano di complotti !! che altro bisogna pensare ??
@@RZAJW You will need to understand you mind body and sprit. Step 1 you will need to feel I am not I its We and we are connected. Learn from Gurus until you find the truth.
@@CryptoAnthropologist pretty sure it was this video czcams.com/video/YuaShpnldB4/video.html there are no CC until one guy starts speaking english near the end, i was interested when word got out and have been trying to follow it ever since. exciting times, but every time we find evidence that we need to re-write the fiction we call "history" the people claiming to be experts ignore it or go on the offense attacking the character of anyone suggesting their conspiracy theories are wrong. I have been studying almost everyday for 22 years, and ill tell you this... i see no evidence of "caveman"... the older the sites we find the more advance, the more precision, the more megalithic.
Unfortunately, thats not recent news at all. The president in the video isnt even the current president. I do follow the local news, but there hasn't been any update in years. Hopefully they will actually restart the program soon.
I like how the narrator says advanced technology. I sit and smile, scratching my head. How can it be advanced technology when it's 10,000 years old? :-) we don't look at a cell phone and say oh, oh this is advanced technology. A cell phone is just a cell phone it is current technology for our time, just like their technology was current to their time. I find it amazing how we of this time thank people of the past we're dumber than we are. We want to save whales and other species but yet we kill her own children and just look at Joe exotic. He sits in jail for killing tigers that he bred. Those Tigers were his , he can do with him what he wants to but on the other hand people get 5 years or less sometimes for murdering a human. I'm just talkin to be talkin but it's so amazing how we all think we're so special.
Friends, you can bet that anything that appears as "science fact" on the television series Ancient Aliens is actually "science FARCE." When you hear crap like "Are these 25,000 year old pyramids that are made out of Rice Crispies evidence of ancient astronaut visitation on our planet? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES!" Well now this Gunung Padang has become the lastest flavor of the month in this continuing theater of the absurd called Ancient Aliens.
Please explain to us how old it is and how it was made. Maybe you can do it on your TV show....Ancient Aliens is more factual than MSNBC and CNN combined.
LOL!!! Gooe one wessh005....Friends, you can bet that anything that appears as "science fact" on the television series Ancient Aliens is actually "science FARCE." When you hear crap like "Are these 25,000 year old pyramids that are made out of Rice Crispies evidence of ancient astronaut visitation on our planet? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES!" Well now this Gunung Padang has become the lastest flavor of the month in this continuing theater of the absurd called Ancient Aliens.
Gunung padang definitely had dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were still around when Angkor Wat was built. How else were they able to know exactly how they look anatomically if they didn't see them before they engrave them on the temple walls and that was only a hundred years before Jesus was born
@@twelvehalo2929 isis ndas mu, organisasi gtuan ngincer gunung padang buat d hancurin, lu kira tu gunung mw di bom gtu? gblg bener, belajar lagi sana jgn sotoy, teroris kok ngejar budaya, mabok rinso
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This subject is the most important there is in our contemporary world. It's just a shame when private investors try to muscle in on important finds like this and shut all doors on the public gaze. This is the heritage of every human being alive today and not the property of money handlers with vested interests. Watch Randall Carlson's podcast, Kosmographia, for dozens of hours of discussion on the pre-iceage world and its human activities. It's ludicrous to still be holding onto the notion that 12,000 years ago we were all hairy bumbling idiots making a living off the land and living in caves. That paradigm is becoming more and more incompatible with the rising waters of evidence and it's almost at the point at which the current paradigm just cannot dam the pressure building behind it anymore. Of course there was relevant human activity during the stone-age and iron-age when the academics believe there was, but there was clearly a lot more going on elsewhere at the same time and long before then.
Gunung Padang is just one of many incredible sites worldwide and clearly shows that human beings have been very busy and very innovative for a very long time; much longer than academics have estimated and peddled to the public so far. I just don't understand why there's so much resistance to new and non-outlandish concepts such as a lost pre-iceage civilisation. The first argument is always; "well there couldn't have been a lost civilisation because we don't find cars, buildings or any other advanced technology anywhere from that time." That is a loaded argument and is based on the supposition that "advanced" means the modern conception of vehicles and electricity. Surely advanced technology for such "primitive" people would be something as humble as fishing with a line and hook, or using modified bones as sewing needles. There's evidence now that someone was creating jade jewellery and using powered drilling technology to drill holes more than 35,000 years ago. Jade jewellery is hard enough to work on but achieving drilling technology that far back when we were meant to be feckless apes is incredible. There's obviously a large part of our history that we either got wrong or don't know about. Frankly, it's parsimonious to assume that academics have got it wrong because they simply didn't have all of the evidence or knowledge beforehand. But then why don't new discoveries lead to a progression or development of the picture already in place. It's surely the very obligation and definition of progress to embrace new evidence as it comes in and to incorporate it into the current paradigm or allow for it to lead to an entirely new paradigm. How can we progress as human beings if we don't even know where we came from. How can we truly progress when the picture of our past has been painted for us using the few facts we thought we knew at the earliest stages of the studies of our origins. It is incompetent to insist that we know it all from the very first few studies when new evidence is emerging all the time. No police detective would be satisfied with the initial, most simple theory first proposed when new evidence is coming to light unless they were trying to cover up a deeper truth or simply just a bad and lazy detective. We all have an equal right to the truth of the human story and to be a part of the discussion. Sadly, these days politics and private vested interests have completely muddied the water so that we are being deprived an accurate and clear picture. What a great pantomime it is to live in the modern world. We're all better off asking our own questions and researching subjects thoroughly because the people who make the big decisions tend not to be free-thinkers and often have layers of intent rolled in with what they say and do. However, those who turn 180 degrees in an attempt to think freely and see the so-far unexplained evidence as proof that aliens were involved have taken a similar route and made presumptions based on fanciful ideas with questionable evidence. Academics respond by digging their heels in deeper and alien enthusiasts respond to that by swinging their ideas even further out. The truth is buried somewhere in the middle of these extremities; which is the reality with most things.
you typed so long, thx for your input
So sad to see science derailed by nationalism and egos and $$$$. All the people of this earth of mankind and especially the Indonesian people have the right and the privilege to share this concealed knowledge. It won't change anything - it will increase our respect for the ones who came before.
Sundaland=Before become archipelago, Malay archipelago=after become archipelago. remember sundaland is not sunda ethnic and malay archipelago are not malay[melayu] ethnics.
maybe the ancient indonesians were really smart and figured out how to use technology? why does it have to be aliens all the time?smh
maybe the aliens where just tourist from the colonized solar system (or Saturn system :P). I don't think so but it's fun to consider!
Right it doesn't have to be aliens, although it wouldn't be ancient "Indonesians" either since we are talking pre-ice age and the people that currently occupy that area were pre-dated by a much more ancient people of a very different origin. That is most likely why the dig was ordered to stop. Same thing has happened in Egypt once DNA samples from mummies began showing they were not the same people that currently occupy Egypt, and same goes for China and Japan as well.
@@JA-rn5qv yes that is a fascinating topic
I feel the same way. I definitely subscribe to the ancient human civilisations much more so than aliens!
we're talking about 20,000 BC btw
Do see Graham Hancock videos on lost ancient civilisations
One of my favourite people to follow!
thanks for your create this video ..
Probably gunung padang was known as hanging gardens
Thank you for made this vidio
Thanks for watching:)
Good pronounced of gunung padang👍🏽
Ghoonoong phadhang
Not sure if that was sarcastic or not, but I think I did get that pronunciation right :D
@@CryptoAnthropologist you did... good job
@@ruttiesoothie I should hope so. I lived in Indonesia for 10 years! :D
>before the last ice age
SMH, the ice age ENDED ~11,700 years ago. 20,000 year old date would mean that it was constructed during the last ice age, specifically around the last glacial maximum. Also, I don't think that it changed *everything* this could just be a local development and keep in mind that the total layers have a time gap of ~13,000 years from 20,000 years ago to 7,000 years ago. It is entirely plausible for it to have been made a renovated over a period of 13,000 years.
Chinese pyramids are interesting too....
When that pyramid is in Europe they will claim they build it but it is in Indonesia so they say it's Alien .
I definitely think it was built by people. The real question, is who.
@@CryptoAnthropologist ancient people related to ancient egyptian not the egyptian right now
@@user-yl2px6fp2o umm.. ok. Yes obviously. What I mean by we don't know who is that there isn't really a historical record of who the ancient Indonesians /whoever inhabited Indonesia were during that time period of 25,000 years ago.
@@CryptoAnthropologist black people in the bible
@@CryptoAnthropologist black people the choosen people of God
Suppose this one is the oldest heritage of the world, then what will world societies will do?
I think its about time we start rethinking what we think we know about history. I may take some time to alter our thoughts on reality... Likely not in our life time ;(
I don't know about you, but I'm going to buy a taco.
@@forestgreen827 there's a lot of truth in that joke
@@forestgreen827 funny, how did it taste?
Old name for this region is Parahyangan or Priangan, in javanese and sundanese myth, there is a "Hyang" or "Sang Hyang", more like god or devas in hindu myhtology, "Para Hyang an" means a places where Hyang stay, i think this is one of the proof, there is advanced civilization at that time, where people see they have more power than average human and worship them like a god. Maybe
You may wish to do some research on the mud flood (put it in YT search) to get closer to the truth about this place and other similar places right before your eyes ; )
I think that mud flood per say was the flood of Noah and the Ark he and his sons built but the only history book I know that goes back that far is the Bible.
Amazing. It doesn’t get the credit that Gobekli Tepi does because it doesn’t fit the narrative.
But Gobekli Tepe is also a headache for the mainstream. It destroyed the hunter gatherer timeline bullshit.
@@jrgmty7685 i havent seen any evidence of "cave man" the older sites get more and more advance, more precise, more megalithic. "cave man" is just another conspiracy theory from pompus academic nutters, like "theory of evolution" all lies, to protect the papal supremecy
It's unfortunate how many people fail to distinguish cultural evolution from biological evolution and then cite setbacks in the former as proof that the latter isn't true. This site would actually support the idea that the people who were around during the ice age were more culturally advanced than academia gives them credit for. And, again, if true, it supports Gobeckli Tepe and vice versa. We know what modern humans can achieve when their culture undergoes a paradigm shift from knowledge based on myth and legends to knowledge creation using the scientific method. We went for hunter gatherers to a techo society in 10,000 years. The mainstream does not want to acknowledge that , what with modern humans being extant for almost 200 millennia, there has been more than ample time for people exactly like us to create an advanced culture. And social history is full of examples of societies that progress forward and fall back when a flood or plague or war ravages their people. Just think of a nuclear war! But we know damn well that the world seems deceptively safe but there are big rocks lurking in the sky that, if a big enough one hit us, we would be back to hunting and gathering. and there is evidence that that is exactly what happened at the end of the ice age, about 12,000 years ago, coniciding in a puzzling manner with the erection of the structures at Gobeckli Tepe. Coincidence? Not bloody likely. Not when it seems like plant and animal domestication and other sophisticated cultural achievements all seem to emerge at the same time from the same place. Somebody appears to have made preparations for the disaster that ended the ice age and flooded the world. When the mud dried up they came out of their safe houses and rebooted civilization.
World Heritage Site designation?🗿🌴
sono stato a Gunung Padang nel marzo del 2017 e confermo che non vi erano tracce di ricerche in corso e nessuno del posto mi ha saputo dire se vi fossero iniziative del genere in procinto di essere iniziate. Poi ci si lamenta se vi sono persone che parlano di complotti !! che altro bisogna pensare ??
Use your Akashic Records to find out.
How tho
@@RZAJW You will need to understand you mind body and sprit.
Step 1 you will need to feel I am not I its We and we are connected.
Learn from Gurus until you find the truth.
What is Akashic Records?
2 weeks ago they resumed excavations
Did they? I can't find any info about that. Very interested to see how it goes.
@@CryptoAnthropologist pretty sure it was this video czcams.com/video/YuaShpnldB4/video.html there are no CC until one guy starts speaking english near the end, i was interested when word got out and have been trying to follow it ever since. exciting times, but every time we find evidence that we need to re-write the fiction we call "history" the people claiming to be experts ignore it or go on the offense attacking the character of anyone suggesting their conspiracy theories are wrong. I have been studying almost everyday for 22 years, and ill tell you this...
i see no evidence of "caveman"... the older the sites we find the more advance, the more precision, the more megalithic.
I really need to go here. This isn't that far (relatively) from my home..
Unfortunately, thats not recent news at all. The president in the video isnt even the current president. I do follow the local news, but there hasn't been any update in years. Hopefully they will actually restart the program soon.
Lara Croft, you interested?
I like how the narrator says advanced technology. I sit and smile, scratching my head. How can it be advanced technology when it's 10,000 years old? :-) we don't look at a cell phone and say oh, oh this is advanced technology. A cell phone is just a cell phone it is current technology for our time, just like their technology was current to their time. I find it amazing how we of this time thank people of the past we're dumber than we are. We want to save whales and other species but yet we kill her own children and just look at Joe exotic. He sits in jail for killing tigers that he bred. Those Tigers were his , he can do with him what he wants to but on the other hand people get 5 years or less sometimes for murdering a human. I'm just talkin to be talkin but it's so amazing how we all think we're so special.
totally agree. humans act like we arent animals ourselves..
I suppose I could correct that as "more advanced that what we think we know about those civilisations."
interesting indeed
Friends, you can bet that anything that appears as "science fact" on the television series Ancient Aliens is actually "science FARCE." When you hear crap like "Are these 25,000 year old pyramids that are made out of Rice Crispies evidence of ancient astronaut visitation on our planet? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES!" Well now this Gunung Padang has become the lastest flavor of the month in this continuing theater of the absurd called Ancient Aliens.
Please explain to us how old it is and how it was made. Maybe you can do it on your TV show....Ancient Aliens is more factual than MSNBC and CNN combined.
it's high time that lost ancient human civilisations were more widely accepted
Very interessting, but also very Disturbing, ugly and a most horrobly Music in the Background! Please take this stressful Music away from us!
It is great. But pyramids in Bosnia are yet 10000 years older :)
Soon.., will describe 4 public
They found an iPhone from 20k years ago.
LOL!!! Gooe one wessh005....Friends, you can bet that anything that appears as "science fact" on the television series Ancient Aliens is actually "science FARCE." When you hear crap like "Are these 25,000 year old pyramids that are made out of Rice Crispies evidence of ancient astronaut visitation on our planet? Ancient Astronaut theorists say YES!" Well now this Gunung Padang has become the lastest flavor of the month in this continuing theater of the absurd called Ancient Aliens.
Hello. Do you have a reference of evidence about your iphone claim? It would be amazingly intriguing. Thank you.
#meltwaterpulse1b
You have your dates all mixed up. The pyramids and the Sphinx are far older than 2648 B.C. Stonehenge is over 4,500 yrs old too.
These date to dinosaur age
No.
Gunung padang definitely had dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were still around when Angkor Wat was built. How else were they able to know exactly how they look anatomically if they didn't see them before they engrave them on the temple walls and that was only a hundred years before Jesus was born
That was 50 million years ago dumb ass
Ustadz Abdul Somad will tell to all muslim to forbid (HARAM) historical heritages...so all of that must be destroyed!!
Bocah kalau mabok jangan komen balikin hape ke emak lu
@@graboteam5300 emang kenyataan nya...ISIS tuk mengusai negara lain budaya setempat dan warisan budaya nya yg hancurkan terlebih dahulu....
disgusting, don't associate with religius issues
LOL that's good one!
@@twelvehalo2929 isis ndas mu, organisasi gtuan ngincer gunung padang buat d hancurin, lu kira tu gunung mw di bom gtu? gblg bener, belajar lagi sana jgn sotoy, teroris kok ngejar budaya, mabok rinso