The Inquisitor's ability prevents bonus defense dice at range 3 because you are always at range 1, THAT's the benefit. He can stay out and get a bonus defend die while denying the same to his targets.
+joel .nevill I'm not sure it works like that. Autothrusters says "If you are beyond Range 2," if the Inquisitor is shooting you at range three HE counts you at range one, but you're still beyond Range 2, so he rolls an extra attack dice, you don't get an extra evade, but you still get autothrusters. That's how I read it, at least.
+Marc Plourde Yupp I also interprit it as Marc and Joel does. It says to treat the attack as at range one, not that the inquisitor treats it as range one. So if the entire attack is treated as range one, as the card says, this applies to all abilities on both sides. But i guess an faq will sort it out sooner or later. x-wing rules and card wordings is a mess and with every release it just becomes worse.
I'm looking forward to your reviews of the other ships in this wave. I am still new to this game (since December) and your videos have been of great help.
i was noticing about your videos worried post any didn't know u were working eleven days wao and sharing little or your time to give us this review im proud of that don't let this channel die your doing a fine work man keep it that way
One of the potential implications of the Inquisitor's wording is also that Talonbane Cobra won't be getting 2 extra evade dice just because he's far enough away.
Baron of the empire is amazing! Green turns everywhere,PTL and V1 for 23 points a pop! You can also concede the intitive and give them auto thrusters and watch your opponent go red in the face trying to pin them down.
Fantastic review Pat ! However regarding the inquisitor's ability, I believe it doesn't only grant him the extra attack dice but also negates the opponents additional dice from range 3 as well as rendering autothrusters useless. pretty neat imo especially vs talonbane cobra for example. Hope the other wave 8 ships reviews will be out soon !
This is always a go to ship for me The Inquisitor equipped with push the limit autothrusters and the title card makes him a relatively cheap ship with an awesome ability
the reason the ability is as it is, it means that when attacking, the extra evade dice and Autothrusters don't work on the defenders. eg, inquisitor firing at an a wing, range 3 with it being equipped with AT, it'll just be 3 attack v 3 evade
+Matth MTF The Tau are a race in the Warhammer 40000 universe. They are a small upstart race, very young but with already very advanced technology. One of their weapon technologies is the Markerlight, basically a laser designator that can make enemy units easier to hit and guide missiles to their target, just like the S-Thread Tracers in X-Wing. :)
+TemporalMeteor When The Inquisitor attacks with his primary weapon, he rolls an additional attack die. If the defender is at Range 3, the defender does not roll an additional defense die. (FAQ v.4.1.1, 3/15/2016)
+TemporalMeteor Yep. Why the card doesn't just read "Attack value is always 3" or w/e the reviewer said in the video. A lot more to the Inquisitor than just the 3 attack dice.
Great video. I really appreciate your commentary and find it interesting. When I got into X-wing I was always equipping ordnance but then decided with the game mechanics, it costs to much. After pondering it for quite awhile, I think most ordnance should cost 1 point and some others (like Advanced Homing Missiles) should cost 2 points. The reason I think that is because the use is situational, most require a target lock and all are discarded after use. When playing the X-Wing PC game you always had ordnance, which made me think they were inexpensive and easy to equip. The miniatures game mechanic is the reverse. In addition, the PC game would (in most cases) get a red (ready to fire) target lock at six kilo-meters (km). I think ordnance would see wider use if you could target lock anywhere on the board at all times (looking forward to that capability in the Imperial Veterans expansion with the T/B upgrade). I've not run the numbers, but I don't really see a 3'x3' board exceeding six square km. and definitely don't see range three being equal to six km. In the PC game you could always release missile/torpedo ordnance well before you were within range of your primary weapon or ion cannon. Granted you were not likely to hit your target unless it was a corvette/freighter/capital ship at that range - but if you didn't hit the target, all ordnance was homing so it would force your opponent to constantly evade or take the hit (unless the weapon self-destructed because it didn't hit something in thirty seconds). Another way to make them more useful would be to have a modification that always flipped focus results to hits when using a secondary missile or torpedo upgrade (taking chance out of the equation when deciding to use the weapon). My recommendation to Fantasy Flight would be to completely rewrite the rules related to missile and torpedo upgrades. Its the one part of the game that doesn't fit the PC game mechanics or what I would think of as 'real' world (as 'real' as a fantasy fiction game could get anyway).
+Michael Riley So I decided to do some number crunching regarding the scale between the miniatures game mechanic and the X-Wing PC game. For starters, I do think the primary weapon (Range 1-3) scale works in the miniatures game. If wookieepedia is correct, a T-65 X/W is 12.5m long. The model physically measures 4.5-4.6cm. Range 1 distance is 10 cm, which implies a scale distance of 27.78 meters. This places range 3 at 83.33 meters and a 3'x3' playing area would measure 254m across (which seems rather small considering a Nimitz class aircraft carrier is 332.8m). This probably just means there is no scale correlation between the model size and weapon range. In the PC game the effective range of the X/W primary weapon was .08 to .25 {km?}, which I think I need to clarify that I don't believe the PC game was very clear or consistent in the meaning of the measurement - but I always understood it as km. From many hours of flying experience I can say if a ship was within .08, it was so close it was very hard to hit if you were giving pursuit and attempting to stay with your opponent. The small ship base primary firing arc doesn't effectively have a comparison to the PC game. But if I consider the PC game .25{km} to be effectively range 1 (or alternatively 1.25{km} to be range 3), then you would expect to be able to acquire a weapons lock for a secondary missile/torpedo weapon and deploy that weapon between range 14 and 24 in X-Wing Miniatures scale. The standard play area (3'x3') is roughly range 9 by range 9. Giving this further thought, small ship to small ship combat, I think having an effective range for a secondary missile/torpedo of 2-7 makes sense. There's nothing in X-Wing Miniatures that gives you a distinct advantage for using a missile/torpedo upgrade when compared to your primary weapon. Combined with the fact you need to set up a target lock and then get a focus token to make the most use out of it - it hardly seems worth the hassle to pay 3-5 points for a one time one extra die roll at range 2-3. So unless you are Lt. Blount with Assault Missiles or Nera Dantels with any torpedo, what tactical advantage do you really gain for that cost? Can you think of any modern combat air-craft where the missiles have less than or the same kill range as the gun/cannon? Or where said missiles costs 1/5 of the cost of the aircraft? X-Wing Miniatures missiles/torpedoes just don't make a lot of sense to me. I will say, under the current mechanics the Imperial Raider with ordnance tubes is my favorite build for that ship - mainly due to the fact that most hard-point laser weapons are very power hungry and I want to make sure I have a weapon that can be used at ranges 1-3 to the ship in every firing arc. Since huge ships don't get focus (major draw back in my opinion) you pretty much need a target lock to make the most use of your attacks - so using a secondary missile/torpedo that can modify the dice without spending another token, I view that as a major bonus. I will say, if the Imperial Raider is like the CR-90, then in the miniatures game mechanic, it doesn't have the same bite as a CR-90 does in the PC game. Perhaps if it could convert one or two focus results on every attack to a hit, that would give it the bite it needs to be comparable. Thumbs up and high-five to anyone who made it this far in reading my take on X-Wing Miniatures missile/torpedo upgrades.
+Michael Riley Last thought regarding ordnance (... okay probably not) but I was thinking that it would be neat (and avoid a rules rewrite) if the cost of the missile/torpedo was for the technology not the instance of the weapon. For example, use your squad points for Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6 points) and then each ship with a torpedo slot gets an ordnance token indicating it has an instance of the torpedo. If your squad consisted of two B/W (Blue Squadron Pilots) and two X/W (Red Squadron Pilots) (90 points) add 6 more points for the Advance Proton Torpedoes and each B/W now has 2 ordnance tokens for the torpedoes and each X/W has 1 ordnance token for the same torpedo. Pay once and benefit the entire squad. In my thinking this would exclude huge ships with the ordnance tubes modification but I could go either way on that. If the equipped missile/torpedo helps your squad out, great. If the situation didn't arise where it made sense to release the weapon, you are only out six points - as opposed to 8 in this example (6 for the torpedo and 2 for Extra Munitions) which 2/3 the cost of a Z95 just to put two torpedoes on one ship. The economics of this variation to the rules makes sense to me. Of course I don't know anyone at FFG to recommend it to - oh well, I think I'll be adopting it under my house rules. In the event of a mixed squad where some ships have torpedo upgrade slots and other ships have missile upgrade slots, you would just need to use different tokens to represent the instances of the technology of the selected weapon upgrades. This approach would probably work well for bombs, but I've not given that ordnance much thought.
That sounds like an interesting house rule for those weapons. I'm used to playing Star Trek Attack Wing (based on the same ruleset X-Wing is built from), which has a similar issue with its target lock-based secondary weapons. Unlike here, most of them are re-usable through either a turn timer mechanic or a "disable" token which costs an action to remove. The price is a bit higher, and they still require the target lock action, and an additional action or time delay before you can fire again. Even though the restrictions are less punishing than in X-Wing, ordinance tends to be much less cost-efficient than other options. A house rule I recently encountered was to simply rule that weapons which require you to spend a target lock allow you to ALSO use that target lock for re-rolls on that secondary weapon. I'm not sure I'd use that same rule here, but your solution sounds like an elegant solution which suits the X-Wing rules.
+math4U1234 - I hope not. The original X-Wing, along with the TIE Fighter, has already appeared in 3 places (core set, X-Wing expansion and Rebel Transport expansion). I'd be happier to see Rebel Veterans with different ships but including cards that could benefit the original X-Wing.
+ta24u That's awesome :D Congrats on your purchase! Who do you plan on playing with? Friends? Family? I play with my mom (who's actually more addicted to this game than I am! haha) and it's been a hell of a lot of fun. It took 5 or 6 games before I truly started to enjoy it...but once I started to get the rules down and once both me and my mom started to become better at maneuvering our ships...this game has really opened up into becoming one of my all time favorite games I've ever played. I hope who ever you play with, you all have a blast!
hoping to teach my 11 year old daughter she got interested in my 40k hobby and jumped int the tyranids, im hoping to get a game in this weekend and she'll love it, itd be awesome if i could get my wife in on the nerd life
ta24u That's great :D Maybe if your daughter gets into it, you can both gang up on your wife and push her into this game! lol...it's a pretty simple game that's easy to get into. My mom's got some brain damage going on and has a hard time comprehending a lot of things, reading and concentrating for too long of a period usually. Yet she's picked this game up like real quick with very little holding her back! Anyhow haha I'll stop bugging you now! Was just wanting to welcome you to your new addiction! :P
When it says that friendly ships may acquire a target lock, do ships without the target lock ability get to acquire the target lock as well? You mentioned a swarm of tie fighters being able to do that, so I assume the answer is yes, but wanted to be sure.
Derek Barnett Legends ships are still being added to the game, such as the assault gunboat and TIE Avenger, but I doubt we’ll ever see a TIE Predator. It would simply be too overpowered, given that it was made in 130 ABY.
I wish they would come out with alternate color versions of ships. Like an Xwing with blue markings or a Y wing with gray. They could be the same pilots and cards, just variations on paint.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see a blue X-Wing at some point, but probably in something like a Rebel Veterans expansion. I doubt that we'll ever see ship-only packs without any extras like cards and tokens. There's always the option to paint them up yourself, or if you're like me and lack the skill/time/patience for it, find someone you can pay for the service.
Kyle Bartley I paint models, and took 3rd in a 40k painting contest. Changing the stripe on the X-wing to blue should be really easy. the trick would be to avoid touching the grey hull at all, as that requires a bit of a weird grey and an ink wash. or do you mean to paint the whole thing in shades of blue? that could look really interesting!
when it says that the ship has a 360 firing arc but it still needs to fire from its primary arc, what does that mean? I'm referring to the hounds tooth
Hound's Tooth has a 180-degree auxiliary firing arc from which it can fire its primary weapon. Ships with auxiliary arcs can fire their primary weapon using those arcs, but must still use the primary arc printed on the ship template to determine line of sight for secondary weapons such as torpedoes, missiles and cannons.
Maybe reading this wrong and I'm sure I am but does deadeye allow you to fire missiles without target lock as long as you have focus? Because of the header change?
That's correct. The big advantage is that you don't need to target lock a specific target ahead of time; as long as you have a focus token you can fire at any eligible target within range.
+benjamin handziak - I don't really have a go-to squadron. I like to play different things. Right now I have a Ghost/X-Wing squadron and a TIE Inquisitor/Vader/TIE Fighter squadron in my go bag.
Non related to X-Wing but, Are you considering Armada? I ask because not so many people do ship reviews (or, at least, good ship reviews) And I love your videos. I think It would be awesome if you made some Armada video reviews.
+Rocky Arbigaus - my issue is that I've played Armada and while I think it's a good game I like X-Wing more. I don't receive review product for these videos so I'd need to buy into Armada in order to make videos and I don't have any plans to do that.
The Inquisitors card says that, because also in addition to rolling 3, your opponent doesn't get range 3 extra dice, and autothrusters doesn't kick in for them.
Seems kind of self-explanatory, though, doesn't it? His ability is that when he attacks he's always considered to be at range 1, which means that he always gets the range 1 bonus die and his targets never get the range 3 bonus. I DID completely fail to mention that his ability also bypasses Autothrusters completely, making him an ideal hunter to go after anything with that modification.
I don't understand why FFG included Deadeye in this expansion. Everyone with a brain will run the Tie Advanced Prototype with its title card, which means you will be getting a target lock and an evade almost every time you perform an action. I guess Deadeye makes since for other ships that run both the new S-Thread tracers and other missiles or torpedoes, because you can just use focus for all your ordnance ... it's just not ideal for the TAP.
+Jerry Jackson - I figure there must be some application for Deadeye with this ship since FFG usually includes relevant cards for each expansion. But I'm also not seeing it. Seems like there are better Elite upgrade for it.
+The Cardboard Dungeon, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Deadeye is an odd choice here. Autothrusters would have been ideal since it's currently only available with the Starviper, but even Predator or Juke would have better synergy with the TAP.
I know this was 1 year ago, but just discovered the thread. Deadeye allows you to hold a target lock on one target while being able to shoot missile/torp at a another. More useful on ships with multiple ordinance upgrades.
"Keep finding new TIEs" LOL TIEs have pretty much the largest number of design variants in any SciFi franchise EVER. They are like swords in an MMORPG, coming in hundreds of sizes, shapes and stats. I personally love the TIE Hunter design and the Phantom you already are familiar with. Agressor and Opressor look great too, but not as sharp as the Interceptor. If you are interested in "alternative" designs, go to adamkop.deviantart.com/ as his gallery alone is already filled with dozens of TIE design variations, both his own as well as commissions of others (i have done one too but he hasn´t uploaded it yet).
+Dan Burrell No he does not. Jax's ability requires an enemy ship to be within range 1, but the Inquisitors ability doesn't actually make his ship suddenly at range 1, just his attack. So not only can the Inquisitor get the Range 1 bonus and not worry about Jax, he also doesn't have to worry about Scum Boba.
The inquisitor isn't a Sith. Actually, the First Order is not even ruled by Sith; They use the dark side of the force, but doing so doesn't make you one (nor does using the bright side make you a jedi). :)
+Elavion Dremorill - Are the inquisitors First Order? They're from the Rebels time period of post-Clone Wars/pre-A New Hope and my understanding is they were hand picked by Vader.
+Elavion Dremorill if you want to get technical, there isn't a light side of the force. There's the force, and the dark side of the force. Neutral, or corrupt
TemporalMeteor Not true. It's not referred to as such often, but there is the light side. The dark side is fueled by emotion, the light side by lack of it; therefore it's not even about the morality, simply about the way you access your power. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Light_side_of_the_Force
What you're hearing in my voice is the result of working eleven days in a row, averaging 11.5 hours per day. I worked almost 90 hours last week. I dragged myself out of bed a couple of hours earlier than I normally would specifically so I could make this video for you. But, despite the weariness that's obviously coming through in my voice, I am excited about this expansion and wave 8 in general. I have the next couple of days off so hopefully I'll be able to rest up and restore the old vocal chords somewhat before I record the Mist Hunter vid :)
+twitchster77 - My job isn't bad, and things will settle down some in a few weeks. Maybe then I'll finally have the time/energy to do those huge ship reviews...
+The Cardboard Dungeon - I scripted out the Mist Hunter review tonight. I need to do a proofread tomorrow and hopefully it will hit on Monday. I'm quite happy with it. Go buy one if you haven't already - it's a hot expansion for X-Wing!
The Inquisitor's ability prevents bonus defense dice at range 3 because you are always at range 1, THAT's the benefit. He can stay out and get a bonus defend die while denying the same to his targets.
also, denying autothrusters
+joel .nevill I'm not sure it works like that. Autothrusters says "If you are beyond Range 2," if the Inquisitor is shooting you at range three HE counts you at range one, but you're still beyond Range 2, so he rolls an extra attack dice, you don't get an extra evade, but you still get autothrusters. That's how I read it, at least.
The range of the attack is treated as range one, that shuts down autothrusters in the same way it shuts down extra defense dice for range 3.
+Marc Plourde
Yupp I also interprit it as Marc and Joel does.
It says to treat the attack as at range one, not that the inquisitor treats it as range one.
So if the entire attack is treated as range one, as the card says, this applies to all abilities on both sides.
But i guess an faq will sort it out sooner or later.
x-wing rules and card wordings is a mess and with every release it just becomes worse.
+Gundam Alex it was in the latest FAQ.
I'm looking forward to your reviews of the other ships in this wave. I am still new to this game (since December) and your videos have been of great help.
+Kevin Thomas - Awesome! Thanks so much, and I am glad to hear that the videos are helpful. More are on the way!
Long time watcher, first time commenter Love your channel and your X-Wing reviews, keep up the good work!
+Rich Liptak -Thank you!
If I'm not mistaken, the "Guidance Chimps" bit comes from a typo in the spoiler article that FFG put out a couple of months ago.
i was noticing about your videos worried post any didn't know u were working eleven days wao and sharing little or your time to give us this review im proud of that don't let this channel die your doing a fine work man keep it that way
+Rev an -Thanks!
thanks for the review! looking forward the next ships of the wave 8!
WOOO! It's about time wave 8 starts hitting stores :D :D :D LOVE your x-wing content. You've been a tremendous amount of help to me and my mother!!
+twitchster77 Only thing left for this wave is that imperial defender aces.
+Spacefrisian I don't think that Imperial Veterans is considered part of wave 8. Looks like we're still a month or two away from that one.
One of the potential implications of the Inquisitor's wording is also that Talonbane Cobra won't be getting 2 extra evade dice just because he's far enough away.
Good to see an update man!!!
Baron of the empire is amazing! Green turns everywhere,PTL and V1 for 23 points a pop! You can also concede the intitive and give them auto thrusters and watch your opponent go red in the face trying to pin them down.
This is awesome you really make me want to start to play the game!
Once again...you boil it down to its most simple form. Well done. Salute:)
+math4U1234 - Thanks,
I'm still not completely sold on this ship... I need to play around with it more before making a final decision.
Still one of my favourite looking ships in the game so simple but still great
You are awesome man. rock on!
Thanks!
Would love to see some list or a build with this ship.
You also can't use autothrusters against the Inquisitor either.
Fantastic review Pat !
However regarding the inquisitor's ability, I believe it doesn't only grant him the extra attack dice but also negates the opponents additional dice from range 3 as well as rendering autothrusters useless. pretty neat imo especially vs talonbane cobra for example.
Hope the other wave 8 ships reviews will be out soon !
+Rémi Charreire (Orange Doc') Now that you mention it, it does seem to do that, that makes it even more amazing!
This is always a go to ship for me The Inquisitor equipped with push the limit autothrusters and the title card makes him a relatively cheap ship with an awesome ability
Still a very strong, competitive ship especially with Palpatine in the squadron.
the reason the ability is as it is, it means that when attacking, the extra evade dice and Autothrusters don't work on the defenders. eg, inquisitor firing at an a wing, range 3 with it being equipped with AT, it'll just be 3 attack v 3 evade
As a Tau player in 40k I just love the idea of the Tracers.
sorry for my ignorance, but what is a TAU?
+Matth MTF The Tau are a race in the Warhammer 40000 universe. They are a small upstart race, very young but with already very advanced technology.
One of their weapon technologies is the Markerlight, basically a laser designator that can make enemy units easier to hit and guide missiles to their target, just like the S-Thread Tracers in X-Wing. :)
Notably, the range 1 thing means your opponent wont be getting extra dice for defense, and no autothrusters trigger
+TemporalMeteor No, it only "When Attacking". So, that ability can only be used when you are attacking, not when defending.
+TemporalMeteor Oh, sorry, I misread what you posted, ignore me. LOL
+TemporalMeteor When The Inquisitor attacks with his primary weapon, he rolls an additional attack die. If the defender is at Range 3, the defender does not roll an additional defense die. (FAQ v.4.1.1, 3/15/2016)
+TemporalMeteor Yep. Why the card doesn't just read "Attack value is always 3" or w/e the reviewer said in the video. A lot more to the Inquisitor than just the 3 attack dice.
Great video. I really appreciate your commentary and find it interesting. When I got into X-wing I was always equipping ordnance but then decided with the game mechanics, it costs to much. After pondering it for quite awhile, I think most ordnance should cost 1 point and some others (like Advanced Homing Missiles) should cost 2 points. The reason I think that is because the use is situational, most require a target lock and all are discarded after use. When playing the X-Wing PC game you always had ordnance, which made me think they were inexpensive and easy to equip. The miniatures game mechanic is the reverse. In addition, the PC game would (in most cases) get a red (ready to fire) target lock at six kilo-meters (km). I think ordnance would see wider use if you could target lock anywhere on the board at all times (looking forward to that capability in the Imperial Veterans expansion with the T/B upgrade). I've not run the numbers, but I don't really see a 3'x3' board exceeding six square km. and definitely don't see range three being equal to six km. In the PC game you could always release missile/torpedo ordnance well before you were within range of your primary weapon or ion cannon. Granted you were not likely to hit your target unless it was a corvette/freighter/capital ship at that range - but if you didn't hit the target, all ordnance was homing so it would force your opponent to constantly evade or take the hit (unless the weapon self-destructed because it didn't hit something in thirty seconds). Another way to make them more useful would be to have a modification that always flipped focus results to hits when using a secondary missile or torpedo upgrade (taking chance out of the equation when deciding to use the weapon). My recommendation to Fantasy Flight would be to completely rewrite the rules related to missile and torpedo upgrades. Its the one part of the game that doesn't fit the PC game mechanics or what I would think of as 'real' world (as 'real' as a fantasy fiction game could get anyway).
+Michael Riley
So I decided to do some number crunching regarding the scale between the miniatures game mechanic and the X-Wing PC game. For starters, I do think the primary weapon (Range 1-3) scale works in the miniatures game. If wookieepedia is correct, a T-65 X/W is 12.5m long. The model physically measures 4.5-4.6cm. Range 1 distance is 10 cm, which implies a scale distance of 27.78 meters. This places range 3 at 83.33 meters and a 3'x3' playing area would measure 254m across (which seems rather small considering a Nimitz class aircraft carrier is 332.8m). This probably just means there is no scale correlation between the model size and weapon range. In the PC game the effective range of the X/W primary weapon was .08 to .25 {km?}, which I think I need to clarify that I don't believe the PC game was very clear or consistent in the meaning of the measurement - but I always understood it as km. From many hours of flying experience I can say if a ship was within .08, it was so close it was very hard to hit if you were giving pursuit and attempting to stay with your opponent. The small ship base primary firing arc doesn't effectively have a comparison to the PC game. But if I consider the PC game .25{km} to be effectively range 1 (or alternatively 1.25{km} to be range 3), then you would expect to be able to acquire a weapons lock for a secondary missile/torpedo weapon and deploy that weapon between range 14 and 24 in X-Wing Miniatures scale. The standard play area (3'x3') is roughly range 9 by range 9. Giving this further thought, small ship to small ship combat, I think having an effective range for a secondary missile/torpedo of 2-7 makes sense. There's nothing in X-Wing Miniatures that gives you a distinct advantage for using a missile/torpedo upgrade when compared to your primary weapon. Combined with the fact you need to set up a target lock and then get a focus token to make the most use out of it - it hardly seems worth the hassle to pay 3-5 points for a one time one extra die roll at range 2-3. So unless you are Lt. Blount with Assault Missiles or Nera Dantels with any torpedo, what tactical advantage do you really gain for that cost? Can you think of any modern combat air-craft where the missiles have less than or the same kill range as the gun/cannon? Or where said missiles costs 1/5 of the cost of the aircraft? X-Wing Miniatures missiles/torpedoes just don't make a lot of sense to me. I will say, under the current mechanics the Imperial Raider with ordnance tubes is my favorite build for that ship - mainly due to the fact that most hard-point laser weapons are very power hungry and I want to make sure I have a weapon that can be used at ranges 1-3 to the ship in every firing arc. Since huge ships don't get focus (major draw back in my opinion) you pretty much need a target lock to make the most use of your attacks - so using a secondary missile/torpedo that can modify the dice without spending another token, I view that as a major bonus. I will say, if the Imperial Raider is like the CR-90, then in the miniatures game mechanic, it doesn't have the same bite as a CR-90 does in the PC game. Perhaps if it could convert one or two focus results on every attack to a hit, that would give it the bite it needs to be comparable. Thumbs up and high-five to anyone who made it this far in reading my take on X-Wing Miniatures missile/torpedo upgrades.
+Michael Riley
Last thought regarding ordnance (... okay probably not) but I was thinking that it would be neat (and avoid a rules rewrite) if the cost of the missile/torpedo was for the technology not the instance of the weapon. For example, use your squad points for Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6 points) and then each ship with a torpedo slot gets an ordnance token indicating it has an instance of the torpedo. If your squad consisted of two B/W (Blue Squadron Pilots) and two X/W (Red Squadron Pilots) (90 points) add 6 more points for the Advance Proton Torpedoes and each B/W now has 2 ordnance tokens for the torpedoes and each X/W has 1 ordnance token for the same torpedo. Pay once and benefit the entire squad. In my thinking this would exclude huge ships with the ordnance tubes modification but I could go either way on that. If the equipped missile/torpedo helps your squad out, great. If the situation didn't arise where it made sense to release the weapon, you are only out six points - as opposed to 8 in this example (6 for the torpedo and 2 for Extra Munitions) which 2/3 the cost of a Z95 just to put two torpedoes on one ship. The economics of this variation to the rules makes sense to me. Of course I don't know anyone at FFG to recommend it to - oh well, I think I'll be adopting it under my house rules. In the event of a mixed squad where some ships have torpedo upgrade slots and other ships have missile upgrade slots, you would just need to use different tokens to represent the instances of the technology of the selected weapon upgrades. This approach would probably work well for bombs, but I've not given that ordnance much thought.
That sounds like an interesting house rule for those weapons.
I'm used to playing Star Trek Attack Wing (based on the same ruleset X-Wing is built from), which has a similar issue with its target lock-based secondary weapons. Unlike here, most of them are re-usable through either a turn timer mechanic or a "disable" token which costs an action to remove. The price is a bit higher, and they still require the target lock action, and an additional action or time delay before you can fire again.
Even though the restrictions are less punishing than in X-Wing, ordinance tends to be much less cost-efficient than other options. A house rule I recently encountered was to simply rule that weapons which require you to spend a target lock allow you to ALSO use that target lock for re-rolls on that secondary weapon. I'm not sure I'd use that same rule here, but your solution sounds like an elegant solution which suits the X-Wing rules.
Great review as always, love cardboard dungeon. When will you be doing the other shiz from wave 8?
+John Keegans - Soon!
Hey Patt! What squadron builders do you use? Make a vídeo talking about those tools for building squads!
That's not a bad idea. I'll think about it.
Once again...you boil it down to its most simple form. Well done. Salute! Is it time for a Rogue Squadron X-Wing expansion? Using old wave 1 X-wings?
+math4U1234 - I hope not. The original X-Wing, along with the TIE Fighter, has already appeared in 3 places (core set, X-Wing expansion and Rebel Transport expansion). I'd be happier to see Rebel Veterans with different ships but including cards that could benefit the original X-Wing.
great review i just picked up the starter, and the m3-a interceptor. havent played yet but im excited to get into it. do some batreps for my channel.
+ta24u
That's awesome :D Congrats on your purchase!
Who do you plan on playing with? Friends? Family?
I play with my mom (who's actually more addicted to this game than I am! haha) and it's been a hell of a lot of fun. It took 5 or 6 games before I truly started to enjoy it...but once I started to get the rules down and once both me and my mom started to become better at maneuvering our ships...this game has really opened up into becoming one of my all time favorite games I've ever played.
I hope who ever you play with, you all have a blast!
hoping to teach my 11 year old daughter she got interested in my 40k hobby and jumped int the tyranids, im hoping to get a game in this weekend and she'll love it, itd be awesome if i could get my wife in on the nerd life
ta24u
That's great :D Maybe if your daughter gets into it, you can both gang up on your wife and push her into this game! lol...it's a pretty simple game that's easy to get into. My mom's got some brain damage going on and has a hard time comprehending a lot of things, reading and concentrating for too long of a period usually. Yet she's picked this game up like real quick with very little holding her back!
Anyhow haha I'll stop bugging you now! Was just wanting to welcome you to your new addiction! :P
ha very true! no worries buddy feel free to sub my channel and see the vids when i get them up
When it says that friendly ships may acquire a target lock, do ships without the target lock ability get to acquire the target lock as well? You mentioned a swarm of tie fighters being able to do that, so I assume the answer is yes, but wanted to be sure.
+William Cooper - Yep, ships can acquire tokens from other sources without having the relevant action on their cards.
Neat, thanks for the video. I like this one, though I still long for the day when we could see a Tie Predator. Alas for decannonization.
Derek Barnett Legends ships are still being added to the game, such as the assault gunboat and TIE Avenger, but I doubt we’ll ever see a TIE Predator. It would simply be too overpowered, given that it was made in 130 ABY.
I wish they would come out with alternate color versions of ships. Like an Xwing with blue markings or a Y wing with gray. They could be the same pilots and cards, just variations on paint.
I think it's a pretty safe bet that we'll see a blue X-Wing at some point, but probably in something like a Rebel Veterans expansion. I doubt that we'll ever see ship-only packs without any extras like cards and tokens. There's always the option to paint them up yourself, or if you're like me and lack the skill/time/patience for it, find someone you can pay for the service.
Yeah, going to have to find someone with some skill. I feel like I would ruin the model.
Kyle Bartley I paint models, and took 3rd in a 40k painting contest. Changing the stripe on the X-wing to blue should be really easy. the trick would be to avoid touching the grey hull at all, as that requires a bit of a weird grey and an ink wash. or do you mean to paint the whole thing in shades of blue? that could look really interesting!
when it says that the ship has a 360 firing arc but it still needs to fire from its primary arc, what does that mean? I'm referring to the hounds tooth
Hound's Tooth has a 180-degree auxiliary firing arc from which it can fire its primary weapon. Ships with auxiliary arcs can fire their primary weapon using those arcs, but must still use the primary arc printed on the ship template to determine line of sight for secondary weapons such as torpedoes, missiles and cannons.
The Cardboard Dungeon thank you for the clarification!!!!
Maybe reading this wrong and I'm sure I am but does deadeye allow you to fire missiles without target lock as long as you have focus? Because of the header change?
That's correct. The big advantage is that you don't need to target lock a specific target ahead of time; as long as you have a focus token you can fire at any eligible target within range.
The Cardboard Dungeon thanks buddy, much appreciated that's quite a handy upgrade, will you be posting anymore X wing vids?
when are you doing the cr 90,raider and gozanti
Hey Patt, so could you shoot proton missiles at range three with the inquisitor?
+benjamin handziak - Unfortunately, no. The Inquisitor's ability only works with his primary weapon attacks.
OK, thanks, big fan of the videos. So what is your go to squad for tournaments?
+benjamin handziak - I don't really have a go-to squadron. I like to play different things. Right now I have a Ghost/X-Wing squadron and a TIE Inquisitor/Vader/TIE Fighter squadron in my go bag.
Non related to X-Wing but, Are you considering Armada?
I ask because not so many people do ship reviews (or, at least, good ship reviews) And I love your videos. I think It would be awesome if you made some Armada video reviews.
+Rocky Arbigaus - my issue is that I've played Armada and while I think it's a good game I like X-Wing more. I don't receive review product for these videos so I'd need to buy into Armada in order to make videos and I don't have any plans to do that.
+The Cardboard Dungeon Too bad, but I understand. I like both games, but X-wing it the one who consume all my money.
The Inquisitors card says that, because also in addition to rolling 3, your opponent doesn't get range 3 extra dice, and autothrusters doesn't kick in for them.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I'm kicking myself for not realizing that...
I'd like to see some old Republic fighter both clone army and separatist.
You just got your wish. ARC-170 in wave 9 is looking pretty nice.
+The Cardboard Dungeon lol i saw!!! sweet.
You forgot to add for the Inquisitor's ability is that there is no range 3 bonus for the defender
Seems kind of self-explanatory, though, doesn't it? His ability is that when he attacks he's always considered to be at range 1, which means that he always gets the range 1 bonus die and his targets never get the range 3 bonus. I DID completely fail to mention that his ability also bypasses Autothrusters completely, making him an ideal hunter to go after anything with that modification.
The Cardboard Dungeon Never thought of that part
wait since the inquisitor always atacks at range one doesn't that mean you can only use secondary weapons that attack in range 1
+Grey Games its only primary weapon not all attacks
+Grey Games Primary weapon only. Says so on the card.
oh, lol. thx
With the new FAQ Inquisitors ability shuts down autothurstors.
+kervin35 - That is very nice.
I don't understand why FFG included Deadeye in this expansion. Everyone with a brain will run the Tie Advanced Prototype with its title card, which means you will be getting a target lock and an evade almost every time you perform an action. I guess Deadeye makes since for other ships that run both the new S-Thread tracers and other missiles or torpedoes, because you can just use focus for all your ordnance ... it's just not ideal for the TAP.
+Jerry Jackson - I figure there must be some application for Deadeye with this ship since FFG usually includes relevant cards for each expansion. But I'm also not seeing it. Seems like there are better Elite upgrade for it.
+The Cardboard Dungeon, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Deadeye is an odd choice here. Autothrusters would have been ideal since it's currently only available with the Starviper, but even Predator or Juke would have better synergy with the TAP.
I know this was 1 year ago, but just discovered the thread. Deadeye allows you to hold a target lock on one target while being able to shoot missile/torp at a another. More useful on ships with multiple ordinance upgrades.
"Keep finding new TIEs" LOL
TIEs have pretty much the largest number of design variants in any SciFi franchise EVER.
They are like swords in an MMORPG, coming in hundreds of sizes, shapes and stats.
I personally love the TIE Hunter design and the Phantom you already are familiar with.
Agressor and Opressor look great too, but not as sharp as the Interceptor.
If you are interested in "alternative" designs, go to adamkop.deviantart.com/ as his gallery alone is already filled with dozens of TIE design variations, both his own as well as commissions of others (i have done one too but he hasn´t uploaded it yet).
AH, actually the inquisitor could use proton rockets at range 2 or 3.
+Sam Perry Not true since his rule states his primary only.
Christopher Wallace
see after I got offline I realized it was primary only...sigh.
So the Inquisitor triggers Carnor Jax's ability as well then....
???
+Dan Burrell No he does not. Jax's ability requires an enemy ship to be within range 1, but the Inquisitors ability doesn't actually make his ship suddenly at range 1, just his attack. So not only can the Inquisitor get the Range 1 bonus and not worry about Jax, he also doesn't have to worry about Scum Boba.
+Timberwolf139 Indeed! I see it's in the latest FAQ too. Thanks for your answer...
gotta get me dem scum!
The inquisitor isn't a Sith. Actually, the First Order is not even ruled by Sith; They use the dark side of the force, but doing so doesn't make you one (nor does using the bright side make you a jedi). :)
+Elavion Dremorill - Are the inquisitors First Order? They're from the Rebels time period of post-Clone Wars/pre-A New Hope and my understanding is they were hand picked by Vader.
The Cardboard Dungeon Yeah, that's true, but they form an organisation separate from the Sith Order. I meant FO as another example.
+Elavion Dremorill if you want to get technical, there isn't a light side of the force.
There's the force, and the dark side of the force. Neutral, or corrupt
TemporalMeteor
Not true. It's not referred to as such often, but there is the light side.
The dark side is fueled by emotion, the light side by lack of it; therefore it's not even about the morality, simply about the way you access your power.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Light_side_of_the_Force
It's just me, or you don't sound very excited about this expansion pack?
yeah, I got that too
What you're hearing in my voice is the result of working eleven days in a row, averaging 11.5 hours per day. I worked almost 90 hours last week. I dragged myself out of bed a couple of hours earlier than I normally would specifically so I could make this video for you. But, despite the weariness that's obviously coming through in my voice, I am excited about this expansion and wave 8 in general. I have the next couple of days off so hopefully I'll be able to rest up and restore the old vocal chords somewhat before I record the Mist Hunter vid :)
Holy crap! I had no clue! I'm sorry! Please make sure to get plenty of rest!
+The Cardboard Dungeon Sorry to hear that. Get well soon, and I'm looking forward for the next videos.
+twitchster77 - My job isn't bad, and things will settle down some in a few weeks. Maybe then I'll finally have the time/energy to do those huge ship reviews...
first!
I must say I like your videos more when they're scripted, still a nice video though.
+TH[O]RN UPSB - Yeah, me too. My main problem right now is time. I'm going to make an effort to script out the remainder of the wave 8 videos.
+The Cardboard Dungeon - I scripted out the Mist Hunter review tonight. I need to do a proofread tomorrow and hopefully it will hit on Monday. I'm quite happy with it. Go buy one if you haven't already - it's a hot expansion for X-Wing!
+The Cardboard Dungeon Hey, no worries! I know that scripting the videos requires more time and effort and it's not always doable.