Pictish DNA - What can it tell us?
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- čas přidán 12. 02. 2024
- Today I will be looking at the aDNA study of 'Pictish' aDNA by Morez et al 2023. Lets have a look at their findings and what this means for our understanding of the early medieval people of Scotland.
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Good again mate
Thank you!!
Finally, I am getting to get through some of these, always enjoy the content
Thank you! Hope all is well with you and it was great to catch up lately!
Thanks again Alex. Another study I missed! Another great presentation
Thank you! As I have an interest in the area I keep a lookout for papers on it! Hope to be able to do some more videos as things come out!
@@AlexIlesUK Where do you search? Life was easier, when I had the lovely folk at Anthrogenica doing all the hard work for me......
Well I used to use Newcastle university library, but I've had the misfortune to graduate so I usually search all the journals and keep notifications on by email!
Are you an academic?
@@AlexIlesUK Oh, to be able to access University Libraries once more.........Thems were the days!
I agree with you. Very interesting but a too smaller group for any defining statements.
Hope for more research in the future!
No historical secret, that Angles were indeed, a vital component in shaping Scotland. Although I wonder if the Gothic, Batavian, and Frisian Roman auxiliaries, mentioned at Hadrians wall, who served in Britain prior to the initial Anglo-Saxon influx, are overlooked. Did they settle post military service? Or did they just go back to their homelands? With so little samples, it’s interesting what theories fill the air. Ones that I’ve heard, like that the Picts are the remnants of southern Britain’s Beaker population. Although, the Picts not being a homogenous group as much as it was a popular trend for the particular area, has always made the most sense to me. Another interesting thing I’ve learned about Celts and in particular, neighboring tribes of the Isles, lack the degree of homogeneity that is prevalent among the various Germanic tribes
I think that places like Traprain Law are fascinating because of the fact it looks so Roman but is north of the area that's meant to be Roman! I think more will turn up as we go forward!
@@AlexIlesUK looking forward to it!
With picts and shovels we'll have to unearth more Picts! 😊
I like your poem! (Just to say most of the bones come from museum collections and it means you know where they came from and they are recorded).
What were the Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups? That could help identifying who they were.
I'll have a look at the study today and see if I can find it!
What did you find
So you think the Picts only suddenly appears circa 300 ad? if so who occupied what is now called Scotland before then, and no way the Scots destroyed the Picts, you ALSO say that the link to Scythians has been disproved? Can you supply evidence? If information in books I have read is correct the Celts are Y dna Haplogroup R1b (Beaker People) West Scythians R1b, East Scythians R1a (like Anglo Saxons) so what was the Y dna Haplogroup of the “Pictish” males ?
If as you say same as the rest of the ‘Celts” then it will be R1b, so does it come from the beaker People who came from the area the Scythians came from? , we’re the beaker people tattooed like the Scythians? , so many questions, I’m afraid just saying the Picts and Scythians are not genetically related does not cut it, evidence please and am I correct in saying West Scythians were R1b? Thanks, enjoy your channel.
They were bellbeaker people from bronze age so the haplogroup was R1b (celts, italians) from step migrations Yamnaya. Old neolithic Europe vanished 50% to 90%, this means I2, J2, K, Q mostly disappeared especially from west. Eastern Yamnaya, Corded ware R1a mixed with old european I1a and that become germans who have R1b too, 30% each. Haplogroup I (north I1a, south and west I2) was from hunter gatherers
Simplest explanation for Picts are they were a Brythonic speaking elite ruling over a Gaelic speaking population. Gaels predated Britons in Britain. The natural border between Gaels and Britons became the border between Gaels/Picts and the Romans after the Romans invaded and later became the border between Gaels and Anglo-Saxons.
I'd not agree with that, the Brythonics are first and the Gaels come in the 4th and 5th centuries. Except on the west coast of Scotland where there's a lot of travel between there and Ireland.
This is not correct. The whole of the island of Britain was Brythonic Celtic until the Romans invaded. The parts of Britain above Hadrians wall remained Brythonic speaking. The dialects of the language that these Brythonic Celts spoke, would have varied from one part of the country to another. But the closest language we have today is Welsh. The Picts are thought to have spoken a version this too. Then the Gaelic speaking Scots ( from the of north Ireland ) gradually started to raid and the colonise the west of Scotland from the 4th century. Eventually forming the Gaelic speaking kingdom of Dál Riata. There Gaelic language would later move to become spoken throughout Scotland, after the Gaelic take over of the Picts.
The guy is correct. Gaels were first. As a lad, i saw Gaelic inscriptions on standing stomes in South West Britain. The Brythons came later.
Do you mean the Ogham stones?
Sounds like there were ancestral Picts but they are older than the dates of those graveyards and by the 7th century every tourist to Scotland stopped and had a couple of children with some stranger.
It's likely that the Picts are just one of the many flavours of the Iron Age British that developed within what is now Northern Scotland and people became a part of that as they settled in the area!
Alex lles interesting about the Picts and Anglo Saxon connection in Scotland in 6th century, the Barbarian conspiracy of the 3th century where Germanic tribes Franks, Saxons along with Celtic tribes in Scotland united to attack Romans in Gaul and Britain, they were networking by trade and secret alliance, how far this connection goes we have yet to understand, speaking of connection it seem that Cornwall and Devon connection to Armonica (Brittany) was by language, similar people and building structure by the Tin trade to the Mediterranean before the Romans take over Gaul under Julius Caesar Armonica was trading market center for Cornwall tin. The Roman in settle in the 3th century Roman British legionnaires from Britain there and some Roman Briton fled from Cornwall and Devon settle on Armonica rename it Brittany, but a DNA genetic study in 2015 said there no genetic link from people of Cornwall and Devon with the Breton people of Brittany could you elaborate on this ?
I've not looked at it yet - can you tell me the name of the study and I'll read into it!
@AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
@AlexIlesUK @AlexIlesUK it bioRxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022 and also article form 2015 article by Nature the fine scale genetic structure of the British population.
ah the 2015 study used modern DNA. I will have to look into that. Its intresting but the last 1400-1600 years can realy change the data!
@AlexIlesUK it biorxiv internet site paper on Genetic population structure across Brittany and the downstream Loire basin provides new insights on demographic history of Western Europe 2022, toke note of this chance in DNA drift in Brittany.
When you say "Cynthians" or "Synthians", I assume you mean Scythians?
No I meant the chynthians, the unicorn riding male versions of the Amazon's. Easy mistake to make as most people have only ever seen their name written down on paper and not out loud. Or it could be I have a speech impediment, but I'll never say which it is.
Also - are you Dr Bilton of Redding University?
@@AlexIlesUK I now want the Picts to actually be descended from unicorn-riding Chynthians.
And no, I'm not any of the Dr Biltons in the UK, I didn't even know they existed
@@DrBilton well they can be if you want them to be! Ah there's a childhood researcher at the University of Reading with the same name as you!
Scots from ulster have the same myht but they talk about scythians. When amazons mixed with scythians their offspring become sarmatians
Sinthians..?
Aye mate, Sinthians. Couldn't possibly be I mispronounced Scythians in the moment and you knew what I was on about.
Picts were not conquered by the Scots, The royal families were joined and became one people to unite against the vikings.
What's your source for that?
@@AlexIlesUK Look up Kenneth MacAlpin
@thetaexali9550 he conquered the Picts...
@@AlexIlesUK He was half Pict
Don't really think that can be argued as a 'joining together' to unite against the vikings he was still King of Dal Ratia and may have been able to argue for Pictish connections but I'd not see it as a peaceful unity. I'll look into it but I'd like to see your sources please.
Is it necessary to keep saying "actually" so much?
Actually, no, but we all have faults we can't always help.
@@AlexIlesUK It's like Tourette's then.
You may enjoy other channels, you don't need to watch the content I produce if it upsets you.
@@AlexIlesUK Oh, my God. I just made a tiny comment meant to help you. I enjoyed the video which was very interesting.
It's taken me a while to think about how to respond to you. Ultimately my videos won't be fully polished and sorted. There's going to be small things that are out of place. I have not got tourettes and that really took me back. I can't tell if you're being genuine or not, ultimately if you want to stick about and enjoy what I make please do but I was being genuine when I said find content that suits you as I realise these is something for everyone on CZcams.