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This comment is legendary. Thanks for getting right to the point. Love when you tubers do this
Thank You...We appreciate that you appreciate our straightforwardness. We were frustrated when we did our research and decided to consolidate the info and then give everybody an opportunity to share what works in the sphere of growing 💥⚡🍄
Yo that is a lot of vermiculite. Obviously whatever works for you is great but if you feel so inclined you can definitely get away with less.
Nah i just boil water and put it into the bucket with my vermiculite and coir/gypsum mixture. Let it sit for 25 hours. Works for me
ty im gonna do this when I have the time to grow mushies
I do the same plus the pillow case defeats the sterilization process
@@WANDERINGSPIRIT2023yeh that’s what I thought to I was like wait they what 😂
I'm so keen to grow some but all these long processes with the substrate been putting me off, so many things I'd have to buy just got get the stuff sterile, boiling water bucket method I'm Gona give a shit first way more up my alley haha
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A good substrate mix I’ve been using with great results you might want to try is the block of coco, a cup of hardwood pellets, a cup of used coffee grounds.
How are you preparing the coffee grounds? I've been considering it for it's nitrogen content, but many claim the increase in contamination is high. Any experienced advice would be greatly appreciated.
@@rodlangston2138if you paustwrize it’s no issue( I would right after using, I make cold coffee bulk so have a lot left over is why thus caught my eye)
1 brick (600 gr) coco coir-3 liter perlite -4 liter boiling water and 100 gr gypsum. Put them into a bucket for a day, and when it cool down it's ok.
Gypsum is mainly used for calcium, mushrooms love calcium,if you're looking for a pH buffer lime is what you're looking for, you want your substrate slightly acidic as it keeps pesky contamination to a minimum.
Have you ever had a problem with a thick fuzzy/hairy growth over your sub-straight? If yes, can you offer a solution to prevent the growth or rid your sub-straight of the fuzzy/hairy growth.
Not generally. It could be 5hat you are having tomentose growth mixed with rhizomorphic. Does it have any bad smell to it? Any other colors? Anything seem slimy?
@@stevevet3652 I'm not exactly sure which fuzziness you're talking about,it's hard to tell without seeing it. It could be cobweb mold.Get a clean cotton bud and carefully wipe an infected area, if it comes off onto the cotton black it could be cobweb mold,if not it may just be mycelium it can look like that sometimes. If your still getting primordia and mushrooms it should be fine. Hydrogen peroxide will get rid of cobweb mold. It will disappear when it comes into contact with the peroxide and I don't think it harms your mycelium. If it's fuzzy around the base of the mushrooms it's due to lack of oxygen and is nothing to worry about unless it's half way up the stems.
@@stevevet3652 it's just wispy mycelium
@@stevevet3652 proper FAE
Clear instructions.Thank you.
You're welcome!
Great video!!!! Straight forward methods that work, cant beat it!!!👍😊🍄🙏
I use coarse verm to make the sub more fluffy
You can use a double boiler to help aid in not having the bottom overheat
Mycelium loves and needs minerals that are in tap water
Distilled water is used for a casing if using one. And that's not even necessary. Tap water's fine since sterilized when casing.
The idea behind our thought process isn't about tap vs distilled. We consider all variables according to our needs. Contamination is key for us and our household health. Distilled, for us, offers a contaminant free way of doing things. You can use whatever works for you and vice versa. We have NO issues with nutrients doing our method but ultimately it is up to the mycologist to do what works for them. Thank you for your input
@@MycologyExploration yeah...my personal concern being fluoride.
very good, pillow case genius (not sarcastic)
it really is!!! so glad we learned it early on. a big bucket and pillow case makes it easy!
Thank you!
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50% Coco Coir 50% Vermiculite by dry weight, wet weight or volume?
I assume you're talking about 140 degrees of Fahrenheit?
Why is it that here in the Philippines we make our substrate a lot more wet? A bunch of water comes out when we squeeze the substrate. But it works A LOT better than the type of field capacity people from the West show us on youtube and shroomery. Does it have to do something with the climate? We dont do casing layers either. And we do not cover the holes in the monotub while waiting for it to start pinning. We do a set and forget technique. No misting, fanning, etc. We just wait for it to fruit and harvest. When I try the teks i see here on youtube it doesn't work as well.
Please guide, Is it applicable for button mashroom
We haven't grown button mushrooms, we forage for those however I bet this substrate would work.
Thank you for the easy instructions.
What size tub do you use?
We use all sizes of tubs!!!
Might be a silly question but I gather that it’s 140 F? Sorry to ask as I am in Australia and we use Celsius thank you
Yes. 👌🍄
50/50 mix by volume or weight?
Hello I'm just wondering does PDA work well for truffles? I want to innoculate some oak saplings with some colonized agar but I don't know if it will work
So Up until this point I have bought kits so mycelium, and substrate are all included. Except for wine cap mycelium in mulch from a community source. In the backyard. I am looking more for more of an indoor ideas What are the best types mushrooms to grow in this substrate? I admit looking for more than Bellas or buttons. Example can you do lion mane or shake, or oyster? Thank you
We use this sub for so many types of mushrooms!!!
Do you absolutely need Gypsum to complete the substrate recipe, or can I go without it? Long time researcher of mycology, first time mushroom grower!
I think it has more to do with the PH of the water your using... We just noticed with experimentation that we had best results with gypsum added. Ultimately you CAN grow without gypsum unless your water source is way off PH wise
@@MycologyExploration I see! Thank you so much for that clarity!
Coffee grounds are a good gypsum alternative.
You can just pasteurize straight coco coir and use for your substrate. Cubensis love it just fine.
@@MycologyExploration how does gypsum effect pH?
How do you guys like that brand of coco bliss? I’ve heard if it’s for plants it has added trich in it for root growth/protection? I see many use it though with good success. Does gypsum lower ph or just add calcium and sulfur? (Calcium sulfate)
im not an expert but i don’t think you are supposed to use calcium with mushrooms, correct me if im wrong
Good question… I am curious about the same thing.
We love it! No problems so far.
@@Micheal-vy3vz mushrooms love calcium if you hadn't found the answer,lime is used as a pH buffer.Try not to use anything with trich in it,it's a mycologists worst nightmare,the reason we pasteurize Coco coir instead of sterililizing is because it leaves useful microbes in the substrate that help fight off trich.Thats not to say you won't get good results using other methods if it works for you go for it, in mycology cleanliness and patience are key. Happy mushrooming!!
I have more bulk substrate then I need right now from a grow is it safe to use if it’s been days or weeks
Yes. Just add clean water if it dried out.
Is 10 weeks normal for colonization? I used 2 10cc syringes. If after the bags are colonizing should you empty the bags into the tub?
So 50/50 by volume after hydration of the coir?
Before adding water...doesn't have to be perfect
I might have missed it.. How much water do you need to use tho?? I'm about to try this for the first time, and I never heard anyone say how much water.. And this is the first video where anyone mentions that you have to DRAIN the water out ⁉️🤷
We fill up the pot so it's easy to stir and mix, also so you don't cook it. You can use as much water as you want then strain it.
Don't you need some kind of food source in the mix?
Birdseed/grain along with the agar or LC/slurry from which the mycelium came from all have nutrients for growth. Moisture is vital, so clean water is recommended. We don't use rice because it has no nutrients.
Hi there, the gypsum from my local stores, they are for gardening purpose, to release calcium and sulphur, will not upset soil's PH level, nor increase alkalinity of soil. Would you suggest if that sounds a correct one?
We're not sure. You don't have to add the gypsum especially if you use clean purified water.
I use just vermiculite 💯base, cake , case. Vermiculite lasagna
What size tubs are those?
such a great video husband and wife ;)
i take it the Gypsum is to rase the ph? I'm thinking of using Azomite. do you think that would be a good replacement? n what about worm casings from my worm bin? I'm a little scared about that
Gypsum for ph yes!!! We don't know about Azomite.
Gypsum does not change Ph, it’s a source for calcium. Dehydrated lime for altering ph. cvgl tek on CZcams
Are those 140 degrees celsius or fahrenheit ?
Fahrenheit
I thought pasteurization was between 160-180?
Thank you for watching our video. As always do what research you need for your particular substrate. It might be that certain materials need different temps. This quoted info is from PennState Extension.
"An effective pasteurization will eradicate harmful bacteria, nematodes, insects and fungi. In general a compost substrate temperature of 140° F for 4 hours is adequate for a complete pasteurization. To insure a complete pasteurization it is suggested to have a minimum of 2 hour crossover time, where both the air and compost substrate at 140° F together"
"High override temperatures may kill or inactivate the good microbes. Sometimes it is necessary to have a high override because the cross over time is lengthen to insure inconsistent compost substrate is properly pasteurized. The compromise with a high override temperature is that it will take longer to convert ammonia to protein after the pasteurization, because more good microbes are killed or inactivated"
thanks again and keep the community updated on your progress and what works for you 🍄😎
170 is the sweet spot
140 - 170
So what kinds of gourmet mushrooms grow well on this substrate?
So many different types grow well in a 50/50 coco vermiculite sub!!! It's our go to for most types.
Have you ever had a problem with a thick fuzzy/hairy growth over your sub-straight? If yes, can you offer a solution to prevent the growth or rid your sub-straight of the fuzzy/hairy growth.
That's probably mold or mycelium, which if your using it to grow mushrooms, then that's a good thing
Need to fan it 3 times a day for 50 seconds
Sounds most likely that tomentos growth is occurring. General rule of thumb is to see if there is any smell.. If the answer is Yes toss it quickly. If it's a No then like mentioned before it's probably an issue with airflow. These are just good general rules of thumb to keep in your "mental toolkit"
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Are you using high EC or low EC cocopeat?
Low EC... Didn't realize there was a difference until you asked! They are bricks of coir
who else thinks this looks good enough to eat lmaoo
hello is this substrate ok for button mushrooms '
maybe, we only forge button mushrooms.
Too complicated
Is there a complete substrate available?
There are grow kits available but the risk of not dedicating to some kind of proper technique and understanding the in and outs of growing mushrooms you are more than likely going to run in to issues along the journey that could've been avoided by just doing all the steps yourself. Good luck and mush luv 🍄
@@MycologyExploration Thank you for your time. Keep up the work.
Do you mean 140 degrees farenheit or Celsius? In my country, the degrees are only Celsius. Don't forget that your videos are watched all over the world...
Fahrenheit !
If you have internet, check out the fahrenheit to celsius converter. Don't forget that people all over the world use it...
@@shimono992, We don't use Farenheit in Latin America. But, OK, I've checked the converter 140=60 degrees celsius.
Why not just use the oven with foil turkey tins?
To each there own. There are so many different ways of doing this hobby it's mind boggling, but I bet you already know this. A better way to make your statement might be. " there is also another technique that I use... It's etc.... " That way we all, this channel included, can learn and grow from each other. Mush love
140c or 140f ?? too much information out there
Fahrenheit
So that is one and a half pounds of coco coir and one and a half pounds of vermiculite. Are we talking wet coco coir or dry?
You will mix all ingredients in clean water, everything will be wet. We use a pillow case in a large bucket to drain the water out.
You can think of it as 1:1 regardless of the actual weight. I believe the 1.5 pounds is a dry weight because a common CC brick is about 650 grams or 1.4ish pounds.
The lady talks very slow. Sounds normal at 1.5x speed though
Lol..... As long as you don't have the problem of keeping up I guess you still got the info you needed