Best value CITIZEN hands on: The Tsuyosa small seconds and the super titanium ‘Forza’ NJ0180

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024
  • Integrated bracelet watches are HOT. With the Tsuyosa line Citizen watches already had an affordable Rolex Oyster Perpetual in the collection and with the addition of the small seconds NK5010-51L and the new super titanium NJ0180 series I think they have a great Tissot PRX alternative in the ranks. I’m also getting some grand seiko vibes with those dials .. what do you think?
    In this video i get hands on with both models in the collection to find out what there is to like or dislike about these... Things to know before you buy.
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Komentáře • 127

  • @russellseah2347
    @russellseah2347 Před měsícem +17

    Citizen Super Titanium Forza is Watch of the Year for the build quality, design and price point. Period.

  • @alfredchen4579
    @alfredchen4579 Před měsícem +4

    I have tried on both. The blue one is brilliant when you are suitable for lighter coloured clothes, and super stylish with darker colour as well. The titanium looks quite dim and matt considering the outfits.
    So I think style wise, go for titanium if you are low profile; go for the steel version if you prefer a more exotic and unique dial.
    (I have always been wearing the most silm Citizen ecodrive watch, but the steel version doesn't weigh much on hand, which is a plus)

    • @RedwoodAggie
      @RedwoodAggie Před měsícem +1

      Good points on the style of each. I like the blue, but worry it would be a bit bright and/or clashing with the other blues I typically wear. I think the blue on the titanium model might work better.

    • @alfredchen4579
      @alfredchen4579 Před měsícem +1

      @RedwoodAggie yeah if you have other blues already, definitely no need to go for this one🙂

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Sounds like a well thought out decision. ;)

  • @hendersonshorology
    @hendersonshorology Před měsícem +5

    You have me browsing for one of these! Lovely stuff Tom, appreciate your awesome videos 🙌🏻

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Curious to see where I steered you …

  • @victorio681
    @victorio681 Před 7 dny +1

    Probé ambos en la relojería y finalmente tomé la decisión de comprar el Tsuyosa en azul turquesa,
    para los que decís que es grande, ¿que tamaño de muñeca tenéis? Con mis 17cm se ve perfecto;
    Ambos en la muñeca se ven prácticamente iguales en tamaño, la diferencia es más sutil y estética por la forma de la caja y esfera;
    como dial veo mas homogéneo el Tsuyosa con el segundero s las seis, por algún motivo no me convence el segundero a las 5 en el de titanio, pero esto es totalmente subjetivo.
    Es más ligero sí, pero obvio es titanio frente a acero; cualquier diver de acero es más pesado y hay menos quejas.
    A mi juicio ambos son muy bonitos y realmente Citizen se está sacando la chorra frente a Seiko y marcas Suizas con estos nuevos relojes que ofrecen muchísimo por tu dinero.
    Me quedo con este Tsuyosa small second porque definitivamente con ese dial no hay un reloj parecido; pero si te gusta el de titanio con ese estilo más “innovador” tampoco te vas a equivocar, aunque solo me llama la atención el verde;
    en este tipo de relojes el color del dial cambia totalmente al reloj y te puede encantar o desencantar.
    Saludos!!

  • @RedwoodAggie
    @RedwoodAggie Před měsícem +2

    These are solid, if imperfect releases from Citizen. It is exciting to see Citizen really enter the conversation with enthusiasts. I like the super titanium model, with green or blue being my favorites. The white dial is even nice (affordable Snowflake?), but the colors just offer a bit extra style. The clasp is disappointing, but not surprising considering the price and being from a larger brand. I have even seen the Tsuyosa small seconds on discount already. I'm sure the titanium model is not far behind and will become an even better deal in that case. I tried on a bunch of versions of the orignal Tsuyosa last year and was impressed for the money. I am definitely considering getting the titanium model. Thanks for putting these watches in your extremely well shot videos.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      Agreeing to what you say. 🤛(Always easy to find citizen below the official prices. )

  • @-BlueX
    @-BlueX Před měsícem +2

    The quality of these videos are insane!

  • @derbagger22
    @derbagger22 Před měsícem +1

    I have the small seconds Tsuyosa in this blue. For my 7.5" wrist, it fits PERFECTLY. Well balanced and the blue is incredible. It really is the perfect shade. It seems to go with everything as the blue has some green in it. I wear a lot of blue in my clothing and no matter if it's royal, sky, dark or light blue, casual or dressy, it just works.

    • @derbagger22
      @derbagger22 Před měsícem

      Also, getting your fingers on the crown when it's out isn't too bad. If I just need to wind it, I just rub my finger against the underneath of the crown and wind it with that one finger. Much easier and fewer scratches on the case, over time.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +2

      Thanks for sharing! The blue is incredible. Tried any other straps for it yet ?

    • @derbagger22
      @derbagger22 Před měsícem +1

      @@BowlOfSalmon not yet. The blue leather strap citizen makes for it looks good.

    • @bricksandstones5816
      @bricksandstones5816 Před 28 dny

      Where can i get the green version of it?

    • @derbagger22
      @derbagger22 Před 28 dny

      @@bricksandstones5816 it's blue. There is no green yet

  • @nurariefnugroho1126
    @nurariefnugroho1126 Před měsícem +1

    The success of Citizen Tsuyosa makes Citizen launch successors like Tsuyosa small second & Citizen Forza.
    Citizen just launching New Series 8 GMT with integrated bracelet likes Tsuyosa shape models.
    Maybe next Citizen should be release the Tsuyosa Diver.
    👍👍👍

  • @Ian_CognitoOnIG
    @Ian_CognitoOnIG Před 20 dny

    Citizen has been killing it lately! These wear so much better than a PRX and far better value. Love my green Tsuyosa and gold Series 8 GMT

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 16 dny

      I need to spend time with a prx I guess. Never did for long

  • @talkingabouttime1622
    @talkingabouttime1622 Před měsícem +1

    You know what. I’m really starting to like this bowl of salmon guy! The Ti looks great also! Citizen is killing it in this price range!

  • @moniquelegarda1842
    @moniquelegarda1842 Před 26 dny

    My Titanium Forza arrived today, and I am one happy camper.

  • @julianmoriati4682
    @julianmoriati4682 Před měsícem +2

    I saw your pics already on HF. I was looking forward to this vid. Perhaps, I grab one myself.

    • @Redondo_dom
      @Redondo_dom Před měsícem

      OF**

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      Bedankt voor je tijd hier dan. Leuke dingen hoor voor deze prijs

  • @vincentschneuwly9783
    @vincentschneuwly9783 Před měsícem +2

    I tried them both at the boutique and I totally agree with your conclusions, the Tsuyosa looks great but feels too hefty and bulky on the wrist when the super Titanium wears better being lighter, and I do prefer its dial pattern, so I bought a Super Titanium for a close friend's birthday and for myself you would ask? I bought the new Seiko 5 SNXS which has kind of the same bracelet, which I do really like, than the Tsuyosa and being smaller is way more confortable on the wrist, which makes it IMO the perfect summer watch I was looking for.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      The tsuysa should be fun with a good rubber strap. It’s not a bad watch. Not at all. But I guess I just wanted the total
      Package to be a a good as the dials look. Or something like that. 😅

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Thx for watching btw !

  • @Dialandhands
    @Dialandhands Před měsícem +19

    The new titanium models are definitely the winners over the Tsuyosas. The hands on the steel models are just to skinny.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      I have no complaints about the dials on tbh. Elegant. The titanium feels more original somehow

    • @Dialandhands
      @Dialandhands Před měsícem +1

      @@BowlOfSalmon I love the dials. It’s just the hands on the steel tsuyosas. The titanium models definitely look the best and have proper hand proportions.

    • @samuelkim2611
      @samuelkim2611 Před měsícem

      Strongly agreed !!!

    • @irvinnwin
      @irvinnwin Před měsícem

      Do you think the Rolex datejust hands are too skinny?

    • @Dialandhands
      @Dialandhands Před měsícem

      @@irvinnwin now that you point it out…yes😅😂

  • @BrandoDelgado-i7k
    @BrandoDelgado-i7k Před měsícem +3

    Was just looking at the forza today, love the video and thanks for the info!

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Thanks ! I only found out making the video the us is the only market that had the name Forza for it.

    • @bricksandstones5816
      @bricksandstones5816 Před 28 dny

      Do you know when the green dial is launching?

  • @Awatchguyslife
    @Awatchguyslife Před měsícem +2

    Great video! I’ll have to try that titanium on. Looks really good

  • @iansegal
    @iansegal Před měsícem +1

    Another great review Tom! 👌🏻 I like the background music.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      thanks ,, about the music: ? when you noticed it does that mean it was too loud ? :s

    • @iansegal
      @iansegal Před měsícem

      @@BowlOfSalmon No not at all. It was a nice wallpaper tune to the edit.

  • @smoove314
    @smoove314 Před 22 dny +1

    The funny thing with these two watches is that they stuck with the miyota 8000 series. The new small second-hand 8300 introduction mitigates the second hand studer. I wish the Forza would have at least used the Miyota 9000 series.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 16 dny +1

      Yeah … but now it’s silly good priced I guess

    • @smoove314
      @smoove314 Před 12 dny

      @BowlOfSalmon Yes, picked up a first release off eBay in the turquoise blue dial for under 200. The panda chronograph looks so classy.

  • @timepeacelove5837
    @timepeacelove5837 Před měsícem +2

    A great video Tom! Both look amazing, but I think I’d choose the titanium. Really love that case and agree, the clasp could have used more love, but not a huge deal breaker. Cheers!!

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      Thx J. Not a deal breaker at this price point. Just parts of me who wishes they would totally knock it out of the park

    • @timepeacelove5837
      @timepeacelove5837 Před měsícem

      @@BowlOfSalmon Anytime! Yes I know, with just a tiny bit more effort and $ spent, it could have fully delivered

  • @maritimuse9127
    @maritimuse9127 Před měsícem +1

    Awesome video! I will probably add the super titanium watch to collection in the near future. Might go for the eco-drive chrono though

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      The eco drives are cool. Maybe a little more reliable too

  • @What_is_ai_anyway
    @What_is_ai_anyway Před měsícem +1

    Weird choice for the super Forza to go with the lower grade movement and the same stamped clasp as the basic tsuyosa.. actually makes the tsuyosa small seconds more compelling with current discounts imo

  • @joakimdam9723
    @joakimdam9723 Před měsícem +1

    Would definitely take the solar quartz version.

  • @keithburford8589
    @keithburford8589 Před měsícem +1

    Good stuff as ever Tom. The offset small seconds on the Titanium appeals to me but a couple of negatives do not. I like to feel that I have something on the wrist and the only Titanium watch that actually does is a ruddy joke , yes the Rolex Deep Sea Challenge !. Personally I think it would look better sans date as the proximity to the sub seconds looks a tad cluttered. So in stainless minus the date I would probably give it whirl as for the money Citizen have been releasing some pretty good affordable pieces of late.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Personal tastes. I got used to it. And learned to love it rather quickly.

  • @weppingtonhardcastle8199

    Citizen is on fire right now

  • @danielgillrup9518
    @danielgillrup9518 Před měsícem +2

    Both watches are just 2-3mm too big. Hopefully they offer more sizes in the future

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      But do try the forza. Wears a little smaller than size suggests.

  • @FuegoBoricua203
    @FuegoBoricua203 Před měsícem +1

    I hope some company out there will make a better bracelet upgrade for this watch then it will be perfect

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Bracelet. Not sure. But rubber straps , they will jump on it I’m sure

  • @danish.s
    @danish.s Před 17 dny

    I was looking for a comparison of these 2 models for a while! Though I'm still undecided, i'm leaning towards the small seconds since i want sometbing more dressy and I like to look of the dial and bracelet quite a bit more.
    Might consider the Eco-drive version of the titanium as an addition afterwards

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 16 dny +1

      Thx for your time. But different watches so depends on the goal I guess

    • @danish.s
      @danish.s Před 16 dny

      ​@@BowlOfSalmon agreed. Already got the metal casioak G-Shock as my rugged, "sporty" model so the small seconds it is.
      It also helps that I'm seeing discounts on it already since it released a bit earlier than the titanium ones!

  • @timetexas1518
    @timetexas1518 Před měsícem +1

    Really nice looking watches!

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Something there to appeal to a lot of ppl

  • @cristiabc1310
    @cristiabc1310 Před 16 hodinami

    PRX concurrency only on looking, technically far away from the Tissot and metal bracelet not very comod. For the price especially with reductions sometime occurs, its more then acceptable as every day clock.

  • @dultanur
    @dultanur Před měsícem

    Citizen have replaced seiko in the entry level for me, including the pro master series. Looks great,very good entry level movements at a great price. I can easily forgive the bracelets, they had to save somewhere. I might just swap my blue tsuyosa for the new ti model…

  • @devstories-iv1mw
    @devstories-iv1mw Před 24 dny

    I am waiting for them to create a bit smaller versions like 38mm

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 24 dny +1

      maybe they will do quartz... the super titanium wears a little smaller than size suggest imho. do try it

    • @devstories-iv1mw
      @devstories-iv1mw Před 24 dny

      @@BowlOfSalmon It would be nice. Yup, have to try it

  • @Harisampath
    @Harisampath Před měsícem +4

    If only the colour matched the date wheel 😫

  • @samnova450
    @samnova450 Před měsícem

    Looking for more colors to come out in the US market.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      Undoubtedly. What model are you eyeing most ?

  • @appak6280
    @appak6280 Před 3 dny

    I wish the Three-hand version was also an automatic 😥

  • @bricksandstones5816
    @bricksandstones5816 Před 28 dny

    Hello sir i am looking to buy the green dial but i am not able to find the exact color in the same model in the United states. Can you please help me out?

  • @Phaevryn
    @Phaevryn Před 17 dny

    But can you use straps with them?

  • @Bscott-390
    @Bscott-390 Před 2 dny

    Where is a good place to buy these?

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 2 dny

      I reckon there are Plenty of online stores available that stock the euro version (green ti )

  • @SoeUnfiltered
    @SoeUnfiltered Před 19 dny

    Is that 3kliksphilip's Atomic Amnesia?

  • @shubsodhi5986
    @shubsodhi5986 Před 25 dny

    where can I buy one in canada? Someone please let me know kindly.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 25 dny

      Green could be the euro version. I’m
      Not sure

  • @kennethchong6752
    @kennethchong6752 Před měsícem

    I will be perfect if its eco drive and 37mm bezel

    • @jamest6373
      @jamest6373 Před měsícem

      They do an eco drive version at 39mm! Look it up

  • @samuellinchen5793
    @samuellinchen5793 Před měsícem

    Where can i buy it in the US?

  • @user-yu1pm9vj8j
    @user-yu1pm9vj8j Před měsícem +1

    €379 and €429

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      True. But I usually don’t mention exact prices because they are outdated fast

    • @user-yu1pm9vj8j
      @user-yu1pm9vj8j Před měsícem

      @@BowlOfSalmon I mention them because people want to know.

  • @Chou005
    @Chou005 Před měsícem

    Even i can afford to buy luxury watches...i always choose tactical watches..

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      i tend to lean towards tools a lot too

  • @Leaptab
    @Leaptab Před měsícem

    Why not centre, my OCD!

  • @0x2fd
    @0x2fd Před 26 dny

    How accurate they are

    • @0x2fd
      @0x2fd Před 26 dny +1

      6:04 I found it

    • @0x2fd
      @0x2fd Před 26 dny

      Can anyone recommend me an affordable titanium watch with quartz movement

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 25 dny

      Solid question. Perhaps I should find a quartz lineup to feature.

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před 25 dny

      Check out RZE and the mecaquartz

  • @georgecupac1202
    @georgecupac1202 Před měsícem

    its okay but its not a Seiko turtle.

  • @ummar02
    @ummar02 Před měsícem

    That’s not my cup of tea or rather go for tissot PRX

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      I get that. I think The tissot prx is great and perhaps a safer design overall to appeal to more

    • @ummar02
      @ummar02 Před měsícem

      Exactly

  • @TinBin-Craig
    @TinBin-Craig Před měsícem

    nice watch i love it ... but intergrated bracelet i hate it .. will not buy one cheers

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem

      Fun to change it up once in a while ? Aftermarket bracelets will come

  • @electricjoshaloo
    @electricjoshaloo Před měsícem

    That really is a shame about the clasp on the titanium. It does look cheap.
    I was gonna run out and grab one but maybe gotta think about it now

    • @BowlOfSalmon
      @BowlOfSalmon  Před měsícem +1

      True but again. They had to cut a corner somewhere I suppose. Still a solid new line

    • @electricjoshaloo
      @electricjoshaloo Před měsícem +1

      yeah for sure...great looking watches for the price.
      I want one.