Carlin Sprayer. Broken Knuckle. Grain Trains Follows VERY CLOSE Behind
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- čas přidán 30. 12. 2013
- Broken knuckle. Two trains. One follows VERY CLOSE!
Train looses air at 3.44. Listen close you can here air blow. After train starts a grain train comes up right behind the coal train. And I mean right behind!!
Lots of trains and a couple interesting additions made for a good day. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
The Sprayer is amazingly precise.
It also saves water!
talesin- god of the internet I don't think they would make chemicals like that that much when water will do the same thing
It was invented by a guy that now lives in Montana, it is not just water.
The latex forms a hard seal (which water wouldn't do) so that the coal and especially the coal dust dosen't fly off.
there's a pressure plate underneath it that shuts the water on an off based on the wheels going over it - that's why it kept spraying when the train stopped
Wow! That sprayer mechanism is so much fun to look at. Of course, nice engineering.
That's pretty cool the way they spray lighter fluid on that coal before sacking it and selling it as Kingsford Match Light Charcoal........
Who knew watching the same awesome thing over and over again could be so entertaining EVERY time!! Timed to perfection!!!
It has a sensor activating and deactivating
The water switch operator needs a raise
I have never seen two trains this close to each other
WOW! I have never seen a train so close to another like that!!!!
I have never seen a coal sprayer! So cool! Thanks for sharing!
Do they spray the cars to keep the coal dust down? I have never seen this.
I observed the shadows of the piping gantry on the most forward point on the train following (locomotive) (12:48). I then noted a landmark on the ground where the most rear point on the train leading ("Dup unit") was on the leading train. Then I ran the clip back until the last car (of the first train) was at the same shadow (12:17). I counted 7 cars (maybe 6 1/2 cars) between the shadow and the landmark. Those cars are 45' long. 45' x 7 cars equals 315 feet. The GCOR requires trains traveling "joint" at restricted speed to be separated by 300 feet. Just about perfect. (Especially since my measuring technique wasn't perfect.)
oxenforde Boy howdy, that was......very......zzzzzzzzzzz....hmmm...what....snort...interesting.
oxenforde will you do my math homework from now on?
but it was ..
very astute
i'm suprised they alowed two trains so close together!
Very nice! I didn't think they were allowed to get that close.
Astonishing display of engineering and the wealth of the USA.
Maria das Santos This is in Canada but you are still correct on all accounts.
I was actually expecting the grain train to slam into the rear of that coal drag. I don't see a headlight lit up on the longhood end of that DPU either.
Hehehe, the air compressors on the mid-train unit make it sound like the thing's panting like a happy dog wagging its tail, but eager for the parted air hose to get put back together to resume moving. x3
Neat footage of the bonding sprayers too. Repetitive enjoyment in a good kind of way, that never gets old. x3
3 TRAINS AT ONCE! AWESOME!
Great camera shot at 2:55.
Late comment, but anyway my 5 cents. The grain train may, or more likely, has been ordered to pass the red signal. Been ordered to pass at slow speed to assist the coal train. To be more precise, assist by creeping up to the rear of the coal train in order to secure that from eventually running backwards in the process of replacing the knuckle.
That's exactly what I meant to write. Note, that the front part of the coal train does not reverse at any moment. But the train had to be reunited to continue. So the pusher on the rear of the coal train is, in my opinion, the previous leading engine from the grain train, ordered to push up the ripped off coal cars.
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At 13:05 - Amazing they can be that close to each other.
could have been even closer could have hooked together lol
that seems a little close for a long freight consist.
Great video
There is a video on BNSF's CZcams site that explains how the coal dust spray system works.
VERY INTERESTING VIDEO
awesome video friend...like
He can come up behind him like that because of something called "restricted speed". Short explanation is, depending on what signal aspect he was running on and said signal was an absolute signal of an intermediate signal, two trains can occupy the same block. It gets more technical than that but just gets confusing to the lay person.
Yes, but Restricted Speed also requires that you are able to stop in 1/2 the distance between you and the "Thing" in front of you (Train, Broken rail, Cow on the tracks 8^)... etc...). Do you really think that the engineer of the second train could have stopped in 1/2 the distance between it and the back of the first train??? I could be wrong, as it has been since the 1970's when I worked for the railroad, and I am not familiar with CP's book of rules.
Nice sprayer mechanism. I was just thinking 'that poor water line must be hammering all day long!' then I saw they rotate to the trough instead of cutting pressure between every car.
Yes, they must have to pump that trough back up to the tank, as gravity has already brought it downhill.
it's not water
its a latex mixture
Where do you see that rotation, or what does it mean "rotate to the trough"? Because simple Google translation is not very helpful in understanding this phrase.
[0:53 - 01:20] The sprayer head rotates back, spraying the water into the pipe beneath it, then rotates forward to continue spraying on the coal.
Ok, now I also saw it. Thanks
Good video.
Incredible!
Norfolk Southern uses sprayers on the Norfolk to Cincinnati line.
~6:05 until about 6:45, it has 2 air compressors? The quieter one seemed to invoke the most load on the engine though
The crew on the Grain Train is pushing Restricted Speed to the limit here.
They are following that Coal Train in front of them way to closely.
Their reaction time to stop a heavy train like they have is next to nothing.
The sprayer system for dust control is really amazing also.
Great video! It looked like the grain train was gaining on the coal train. Do you know if they made contact? Pretty suspenseful.
I have never seen two trains (moving) so close to each other, but on the other hand the second train has "visual" on the train in front of them. Or, maybe they were caught in the tunnel behind the coal train, so they needed to come out for some "fresh" air. In any case a nice video :-)
NB: Does anybody know the weight of the coal / car? My guess is 50 - 80 tons, but only judging from the size of the cars...
Cheers Adam
105 tons of coal in each car approximately.
+Matthew Hanson with or without the water? Joking
>> Broken Knuckle
Broken knuckle means the engineer was a little heavy on the throttle on the middle locomotive on the train it's a robot locomotive you can control the throttle from the lead engine
The sprayer is what keep the dust under control
Thanks I was going to ask!
For some strange reason, initially the view from the camera made me think it was a model railroad layout. Also, when you see the hands and arms of the people talking, the forced perspective made it seem like a model railroad. Strange.
And between 7.0 and 7.5 m/h
The engineers don't wave from trains anymore, not like they did BACK in 1954
This is to prevent dust, yes?
The Carlin sprayer should be called "the hobo repellent "
Carlin Road @ Tappen Notch Hill Road just outside of Notch Hill in British Columbia Canada........(8^)
It shows up clear as day on google maps.
nudist0885 also just down the road is horse shoe curve
Sorry if I sound inept but why do they spray the coal down?
That is how thing happen, and not always good.
Huh I never saw anything like that for coal trains and I live in kentucky one of the biggest coal places in the USA or use to be, I'm not sure anymore lol. Why are the coal cars getting sprayed with water for?
cool
@13:05 hes probably like free ride, hook it up boys jimmy's is paying fuel this time :D jokes :P
i couldnt tell if it was a real train or an Ho scale
Holy cow, your right, im pretty sure its real, but i could definitely be fooled to think otherwise
Only Awesome
Good luck with your video
whats the spraier mint for/
?
Sir
I have a question what is the purpose of spraying the coal?
And why don’t the 🚂 locomotives 🚂 get sprayed they can sure use a good washing 😆. I am Cherokee Native American living on the Reservation in Cherokee North Carolina I am happy to have come across your channel. I have seen something new today from your channel Thank You 🙏 Sincerely Running Bear 🐻 PS: Do they do that with all coal trains 🚂 ?
Thank You 🙏 again for the great video
Nice catch.... Where was this filmed at?
At the second coal car, just towards the rear, there seems to be a spark after the coal got wet, did anyone else see it?
Are there in the system with restrictive (sometimes also called permissive in some countries) signals also advance warning (yellow) signals?
Otheriwse it could get a bit dificult when the end of the train in front of you came to a total standstill lets say 1/3 in the section, stopping distance for the train entering the section at line speed and starting to slow down when the engineer sees the red signal could be short. When he had a yellow warning signal the section before he will already be advancing at reduced speed to that red signal.
Like it is in france, the restrictive signal can be passed at danger, but the speed must be reduced to the allowable limit before that section, a yellow signal warns the driver the section before to slow down. (the driver must be able to stop in the distance he can see forward, so in heavy rain or fog he must slow down even more or rules can state that the signal is absolute in such circumferences)
Down below, phillyslasher, probably gives the best explanation of what is going on with the two trains being one right behind the other. It's in a reply to fah q.
the censers are on both sides of the tracks just out side the tunnel .......
The sprayer needs to spray the engines...
they spray with water so the coll will not light up from the heat or for dust?
Is this accessible to the public?
13:00 So much for Be able to stop in half the range of vision. I wonder what CP Operating rules say about this situation and what sort of signal/territory they are on.
Canadians
no further words necessary
its only a back engine it is attached to the first part of the train for so many cars and leainths u need extra engines.....the water sprays with censers and timers the train drives one speed and main trains it for the timing
3 TRAINS ALL WITHIN MINUTES APART FROM EACH OTHER??? Insane! Also judging by the Canadian Pacific engines this must be filmed in Canada but where is this place?
+CoasterFan3001 It's in British Columbia between Salmon Arm and Chase in an area known as Notch Hill.
Christopher Long I found it, thanks
Carlin Road. Just east of Tappen Notch Hill Road.
I HAVE BEEN HERE
It looks like the grainer is trying to assist the coal train. I pretty sure the grainer doesn't want to lose any momentum that it has.
Could they even do that?
really that's crazy cn would never do that
Is that really a "2nd train"?.....or is it just an intermidiate engine?....
wonder how much additional weight of water is added to each car? would build up steadily over a long train, maybe another couple of hundred tons?
Well, I don't know exactly. But probably under 100 tons. It's better to add water+latex than lost around 5-7 % of coal due to dust loses.
I assume that this is sto stop dust, also ver satisfying, didnt know id like wet coal/coke
Sealant. Dust suppression. Polymer coating.
Ontario Hydro had locos, and possibly cars, to ship coal from Alberta to Thunder Bay and ran on CP tracks. CN got that contract, Ontario stopped using coal, CP bought the SD40s.
Is the water turned on and off automatically, or is there a guy sitting in a box somewhere pressing a button?
How do you feel about staffing these days?
How much coal can you get in a car?
Twice as much now that we started spraying it down.
Train got a little heavier!
12:50 I hate getting stuck behind slow traffic that I can't pass
I love this video great action. The sprayers are neat to watch and right on time with the water. I was wondering what happens to the locomotives during the spraying process, do they get a bath as well?
MultiMusicianman No, the locomotives don't get sprayed. You can see at the beginning of the video that the spraying doesn't start until after the locos have passed the gantry. It's hard to tell in this video as he zoomed in on the loco in the middle of the train but in another video I saw about this the sprayer only sprayed the coal cars, the leading, middle, and end locos didn't get sprayed. I don't know if this system is automated or human controlled, if automated the system can tell the difference between locos and coal cars.
I see thank you much.
I've seen a video of this from another view, it doesn't spray middle or end locomotives. There has to be some kind of scanning of the unit before spraying
At 11:28 you can see the poles with the optical sensors across the tracks, at two different heights. The Loco's are higher, so if it trips the top sensor, then don't spray. It doesn't do the grain train at all though, so maybe the system has to be enabled on each coal train. It also obviously doesn't reset when they start moving again.
Interesting - does it spray every train that comes by? If the train were to stop, would it just keep spraying water on the coal hopper until it fills with water? :)
This comment made my day for some reason
uh...wow...
12:43 trains disadvantages solutions = when they go one after the other at, a few meters closer than the subways that go one after another from 3 to 3 minutes.
3:47 Canada ? disadvantages
This video need a little more narration as to what was going on. The title was accurate in that there was a Carlin Sprayer, some disturbance due to a broken knuckle, and Grain Trains passing by (mostly on different tracks). It is difficult to discern what feats of operations were carried out or what blunders were in the making. A better title would have been "see trains going by."
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Got a knuckle with a DPU? LOL
They did not show the knuckle break
Why do they spray the coal
Im guessing the grain train helped push that coal load and then cut off in motion after the coal train gets going. Thats the only reason he'd be that close to him. Otherwise that's pretty unsafe honestly.
Maybe they should have kept the sprayer on for the DPU as its roof looked filthy 🤢
How does the sprayer not spray the locomotive?
The sprayer is operated by weight there fore the coal cars are lighter than the locomotive
+Sam Compton Dont believe thats true. First - weight control would be far too expensive. 2) The system would surely lack Off/on precision between the cars.
IMHO this is regulated via the double photoelectric barriers from ~ 09:00 until ~ 11:00 directly after the tunnel.
The lower barrier switches the water, the upper barrier switches between cars and lokomotives, the setting of delays for every gate needs the train run with a dedicated speed.
moonspots01 I think it’s some guy sitting in a room hitting a switch that turns it on and off. He’s well paid, gets $75,000 a year, annual vacation, medical, dental, life, vision, annual Costco membership, all state and federal holidays along with 2 weeks at Christmas.
senorkaboom . Wrong sensors on coal cars and Paid provincial holiday's
It's too bad they dont wash those poor dirty locomotives once in a while. As much as they cost,
Nice capture! Is that sprayer automated at all?
computer contolled
Yeah the cars weigh less than the engine so they detect the weight of the engines and cars
Never seen the coal sprayer, Why is that done?
Downeaster Productions to keep the dust down and keep it from building up in the ballast
What the hell were they doing?
How come the locos didn't get sprayed?
Because those locos are not carrying coal.
There's a sensor/camera
Am I the only one who wants to run under the water sprayer after the train just for the fuck of it lol
It's not water.
Correct. Latex I believe. There is a pump house and storage tanks at the top of the opposite bank where the people are seen talking.
How far from salmon arm is this
Close enough to see Pierre's finger. LOL
what is the water use for
It's not water Deron, it's a binding polymer used for coal dust control when the sprayers coat it the coal turns into a hard crust so no dust gets out.
Thanks Jonathan . Pretty cool.
Deron Williams Why the dust control-- is to reduce the loss of the load. Studies have shown as much as 10% of load to be lost by fines being blown out of cars between the mine and customer. Consider this train of 154 cars of 100 tons is 154 X 100 X 0.10 = 1540 tons being lost in transit-that is significant or almost 16 cars of this train being emptied in transit.
Thanks for the information
They might use a little bit of water not really sure but it's mostly a foam like spray the majority of the time
3:44
Hobo repellant spray
Why are these things not everywhere? It would shut a lot of environmentalists up in the Columbia River gorge.
what were the sprayers for?!
I suppose it is a measure against the self combustion of coal. Fine ground coal tends to heat up in large bulk loads by auto-oxydation which produces in the worst case enough heat to ignite.
Although 196Sefan2 is correct with his description of self combusting coal, he is incorrect about the sprayers. This is simply a bonding solution to reduce coal dust.
Are they spraying Brine Water on the coal?
evets sdoow to make it less flammable?.
To prevent coal dust from flying off the train
obviously it's not ctc it's ocs
Actually it is CTC.
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"loses", not "looses".
what on earth happened why did that train ride the other trains a$$!!??