The Flash (1990) - Caravan of Garbage
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- In the lead up to The Flash 2023 a movie that is probably coming out we're taking a look back at three properties that tie directly (or indirectly) to the characters of The Flash, Supergirl and Batman. To kick things off we'll be looking at the very much ahead of its time Flash series from 1990. Starring John Wesley Shipp who would later return to the character in the 2014 series, it's huge budget and cinematic nature put it a cut above what we'd seen on television before. But then they cancelled it. Thanks for watching our Caravan Of Garbage review!
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Extended Audio Edition ► • The Flash 1990 (Extend...
00:00 The Start
01:40 Biggest Budget Series
02:38 Batman 89 Comparison
04:20 The Characters
06:22 Special Effects
07:14 The Flash Suit
08:31 Weaknesses (Too Horny?)
11:11 The Villains
12:38 Connections to CW Arrowverse
13:56 Was it a success?
15:00 Green Trivia
19:26 Final Thoughts
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Boy it’s a strange coincidence that The Flash came up so much in this video about Super Force
We tried to limit the references but it just kept creeping in
@@mrsundaymovies it was delightful and I’m a huge fan of your work even if I only understand about 4% of your references
@@cardthrow18 JB Hi-Fi!
@@mrsundaymovies but he never showed up in the modern Flash shows!!!
No respect
@@mrsundaymovies Try harder.
James and Maso’s knowledge of obscure references that I’ve never heard of before always astounds me
I think they're making them up.
@@qwertyferix they’re not though. Their editors literally show what they’re referencing in the video when they say it most of, if not, all the time.
@@youngrootv It's all part of the conspiracy.
(I was just kidding.)
They huge fucking nerds bro its funny
Yeah same every episode another obscure tv show reference from the 90s I’ve never heard of 😂
Having John Wesley Shipp as Jay Garrick in The Flash and Stargirl was fantastic also green trivia he voiced Reverse Flash in Batman the Brave and the Bold
He showed up in Stargirl? That's surprising
@@WhiteythereaperI mean it’s a show tied to the JSA of which Jay Garrick is part of
@@Whiteythereaper I didn't know he appeared in Stargirl but I saw him on the CW Flash and I love how they buttoned up that old show
John Wesley Shipp as The Flash and Brandon Routh back as Superman were literally the only things I liked about CW's Crisis. I did enjoy seeing Kevin Conroy in live action and Tom Welling back as Clark Kent, but I didn't love how those scenes were handled.
@@robertwild9447 you feel like it captured the spirit of the comic?
The 90’s Flash series made two major contributions to the Batman mythos. First, Mark Hamill’s role as the Trickster was basically a dry run for his groundbreaking turn as the Joker. Second, in this series, the Trickster went on to have a female devotee/sidekick named Prank. You cannot tell me Prank was not the prototype for Harley Quinn. Especially since both characters were created by Paul Dini. This series was/is sorely underrated.
Absolutely. It's also a hell of a coincidence that the main baddie from the very next episode is a female criminal named Harley.
The Trickster and Prank were in the Flash comics long before the 90's show came out.
But yes they were copied from Batman villains. 🤡 🃏
@@briansmith48 - you are correct. But, I’m talking about the televised depictions. Those were entirely different animals.
@@briansmith48 Fair enough. I stand by the Harley thing, though. :)
Funny since this show was inspired by the 1989 batman movie, and it went on to inspire the joker and harley of the dcau batman show.
I'm honestly kinda astonished at how real every shot looks compared to many shows of the day and even the CW Flash show.
John Wesley Shipp's updated Flash suit for his cameos in CW's Elseworlds and Crisis events honestly looked really good, but everything else looked terrible, lol.
I'm kinda astonished that they used my HD remastered footage and didn't give me credit for it
The CW Flash is absolute trash next to the original Flash show.
Shot on film
@@anarchyproductions6259 I was wondering where did they got such pristine image for this show, I'm doing "Isolated Score" vidoes on it and mine DVD does not look like that. Great work!
I love that they got Mark Hamill as the Trickster in this series and paid it off in the CW series as well
They also got the actress who played Prank to play the new Trickster’s mother
8:20 is that Jeff Goldblum?
@@jslberto no ....
One of my favourite Flash moments is in Justice League Unlimited where he talks to The Trickster in a bar and just casually talks him into handing himself in. Like he actually cares about his enemies being rehabilitated.
@@thebloodyaussie1458
That one's Wally West Flash
Astronomers have a term for objects which move really fast towards the observer called the doppler effect - essentially because the object is moving towards you the length between waves of sound or light are actually smaller in the direction of movement and larger in the opposite direction.
For light this higher frequency actually causes a "blue shift" since blue light has a higher frequency than red light which funnily enough is how this show got the working title of "Blue Harvest" while watching The Flash run at his incredible speed.
This is the first "Blue Harvest" joke that has genuinely tricked me. Congratulations 💀💀💀
He did it everybody!
You got me🤣
BOO!
+1 for the physics bait snipe
I cannot describe the level of hype I feel when Rodney comes around.
Aggghh
Rod-ney!
Rodney!
It seriously makes my week.
Let's be honest, that's the only reason we all watch CoG
I feel like its such a blunder to not make this the Flash that lives on Keaton's world. I mean idk what they're doing in that movie but damn this would just fit together.
Maybe partially because they don't want to contradict the Arrowverse's version of the multiverse? They established in Crisis on Infinite Earths that Keaton's universe is Earth-89 and as stated in this video, the Elseworlds crossover established this Flash's world as Earth-90. That being said, the multiverse was restored (in slightly altered form) at the end of Crisis so maybe they could just say these two worlds are merged now. Or maybe since they already made a big deal of bringing John Wesley Shipp as the 1990 Flash that they didn't want to repeat that again for the movie. I guess for comparison it would be like bringing Brandon Routh back as his version of Superman again when they already did that in the Arrowverse too (not saying I wouldn't enjoy it either, but I get why conceptually they may want to not repeat things).
They already gave this Flash a canon ending in Crisis On Infinite Earths
I'm pretty sure there's also a scene in this series where Barry walks past a movie poster for Batman 1989, implying that it's fictional in this universe
@@stanley5745 Ezra Miller's Flash also appeared in the CW, and he's in the same continuity as Batman 1989 (although different timeline), so that's kinda funny.
@@groovymovies390 I'm sorry but the arrowverse continuity is already a mess. Been rewatching arrow lately trying to get through it again and holy shit do they not care about continuity
The original 'overarching' storyline of the first season of The Flash was going to involve a version of the "Reverse Flash" who's lightning was blue. And in order to defeat him Flash would have to devise and enact a plan to extract power from the Reverse Flash in order to gain enough power to defeat him. Knowing that this was the plan for the season, the project gained the title of "Blue Harvest" behind the scenes, which is coincidentally the same working title as the original Star Wars. Eventually they ended up changing their plans for the season and the name fell out of use and into obscurity.
Underrated comment
😭😭😭
You had me going in the first half... damn you
I love this comunity
I keep waiting for the guy who yells Rodney but to get old.... But it never does. Can't help but smile everytime
I cheer everytime it comes up
I feel like the Rodney thing has been happening forever now. I wonder when green Trivia and Rodney are gonna get changed
Visually, a good amount of this show holds up. All in all it's also a great time capsule of a bygone era.
By gone era is correct,but,the 90s were GREAT !!! Great music,sitcoms,tv shows and films.No mass shootings,no mass riots,no prolonged wars ( especially lasting 20 yrs ) no covid,,etc,etc,..
I still haven't forgiven Ben and Lawrence for not adding Shrek saying "Donkey" to the guy saying "Rodney" bit, but I guess I'll watch this video and leave a like.
Hi James and Mason! Little bit of green trivia for you: I worked for about a year as a tour guide on the Warner Bros Studio Lot in Burbank, California, and a lot of the filming for this show was done there. The building facade used as the Central City Police Department is actually originally from Batman Returns, it's the Gotham City Hall of Records!
I love how passionate John is about the flash and that he’s played a role in so many flash projects since then. I hope he has a cameo in The Flash movie
I can't believe we got weird cgi copies of christopher reeve and george reeves instead of John shipp and grant gustin cameo's in a FLASH movie
@@projekttaku1 literally like why did they have a cgi render of Jay Garrick rather then even using old footage of John as Jay Garrick it’s a decision I’ll never understand
@@Sheen04 yeah. Hell, they could've even had john as the flash of the flashpoint universe, and we could see him interact with michael keatons batman as those 2 characters feel like they could be from the same universe, and when barry keeps trying to save keatons batman and supergirl john can be the one to reign him in.
As a kid, I thought this was a movie. The production at that time was great. The level of budget for this show was a head of its time, too bad it didn't have season 2. Also the score was great.
James getting mad at Barry's dad is the funniest thing I've heard all week.
I was 8 or 9 when this premiered in the states and let me tell you guys my Mom made the most amazing Flash costume for me that Halloween and I still have it and it's still amazing I don't think I could fit into it anymore LOL but is still one of the greatest homemade costumes you'll ever see especially considering my mom actually went to F.I.T. for textiles. I was zooming up and down the block with my candy bag that night I tell ya!
This show unironically ahead of its time. That suit is legit, and the effects are quite more hit than I was expecting.
You can understand why the budget killed the show. For a 90's TV show significant effort was made when it came to the effects.
I love how this looks like it could belivably exist within the Batman 89 universe.
The suit looks amazing but it was difficult to move in hence why he doesn't pull many dynamic poses or action moves.
@@pious83 the budget per episode was roughly 1.6 million and the 93min pilot cost around 6 million.
I love that during your bizarre Super Force ramble, as soon as you mentioned "Metroplex", my first thought was "holy Hannah the transformer?!" And you immediately made a Metroplex transformers joke.
I love you guys.
I love that Metroplex untransformed, like a polite mistake
I never knew Super Force was a thing.
But when I saw the clip of it here I thought of Street Hawk.
The show with the Knight Rider type motorcycle. 🏍️
Still my favorite version of The Flash, it’s like a perfect mix of Batman ‘89 and Dick Tracy (1990)… which I’m pretty sure Dick Tracy and The Flash used the same sets. Two other fun facts you left out: Katie Cassidy, who played Black Canary in the Arrowverse, is the Daughter of David Cassidy who played Mirror Master in The Flash. Also Jay Allen, Barry’s brother, is played by Tim Thomerson, who as Jack Deth in Trancers, a fun sci-fi series of movies from the late 80’s and early 90’s
Big claps for the extremely subtle "We're just innocent men" clip right at the end there, I had to rewind that part of the video just to check I hadn't imagined it 👏👏
lol thank you for introducing this to me, i can't stop laughing at the clip
@@reshmiya it's a gem isn't it 😂
Where was? 😟 I can't find it
@@paragonjones13 when Mason says '...just a regular normal scheme. An innocent scheme.' 21:07
But originally in the comics Barry was not supposed to be a jock to differentiate him from Jay Garrick. I think his creator Gardner Fox was tried emphasise he was more of an ‘egghead’.
The "What are we doin'?" during all the "I'll do it" made me actually spit out in laughter
The editors' "Here's the thing" & "But(t)" running gags in these videos always get me... and ROD-KNEE !!!
I cannot possibly convey the amount of genuine joy that surged through me upon the return of Rodney.
@Magegg Rodney? RODney? RODNEEEYYYYY?!
Loved hearing the sound of Captain Corelli's Mandolin when you boys mention Becker around 6:30.
I always thought that casting Shipp as Grant Gustin's father on the new show was great. Not only as a nod to this show, but Gustin looks like he could be Shipp's son.
"He should have been in jail cause he's so mean"🤣🤣🤣
I remember trying to watch this as a kid but I could never nail down the time slot cuz it always changed. I was watching this in my moms hospital room the night my sister was born. Our car had been stolen and we were stuck for a bit.
Great story!
@@OFED just did a little digging into the history of the show and the last episode aired was the one I was watching. "The trial of the Trickster." I'm gonna blame my sister for the show ending. Funny, she really likes the new Flash series.
@@TheJesselopez1981 they started moving it around ( even though it was second in the ratings behind Cosby still best Simpsons) before the gulf war and it regularly got preempted by updates
"You changed the topic in a flash!" Wow, a segue like that could carry you across the city, instead of having to walk everywhere.
TIL how to spell "segue". Thank you, sir or ma'am.
i agree this is the best live action flash suit....so simple. every other suit adds to much detail...this is simple, realistic, gritty, but most of all comic accurate..and Shipp wears it perfact
But it's much too bulky. Flash is supposed to be lithe, not a muscle man.
@@ThreadBomb right but in the context of a comic book even the smaller heros are jacked. And this suit managed to take every detail from the comics and bring them to life. The muscles are big enough to make him look like a comicbook hero but not to big where its goofy..besides some people really have bodies that look like that and it's not even that big. U just need someone bigger to play a superman type. The rock is still way bigger then the flash suits muscles
@@ThreadBomb the pre crisis flash which this is more based on was in fact very well built .
Props to the editors for finding a clip of Super Force forcing his way through a door with his crash helmet.
My happy early 90s memories with Superboy, The Flash, Knight Rider, MacGyver, Super Force, and Sunday morning anime. Late 80s was the M.A.S.K, He-Man, Silver Hawk, Gobotron, Centurion, Captain Planet. CZcams is like time machine revisiting those times.
Wesley Shipp coming back as Henry Allen was a nice touch, I loved it! Thennn he came back as golden age flash Jay Garrick which was just sooo good, I was eating that shit up! I thought this was such a good use of the actor but THEN to top it off he comes back as his Barry, with a honestly good death scene, chefs kiss mate!
"Maybe the Allen family has a hive mind." Simultaneous best DCEU theory and most hilarious off-hand comment on this show yet
I remember that series was released as a movie on VHS up here in the UK. It must've been a 3 part bottle episode or something. I didn't even realise it was a TV series until I heard someone mention it on a CZcams podcast. Might even have been you guys?
The more you know...⚡
Also from the UK, the version I watched was the pilot. I think it was a 2 or 3 parter. I never did see it on TV though.
I lent my complete Flash 1990 tv show DVD set to a cashier who worked at the gas station near my house who happened to also be a huge Flash fan like me and had never seen the show, then I found out two weeks later he no longer worked there anymore…now I’ll never finish the series. This makes me sad. I’m now a sad Flash fan
Gullible
@@Selfinflictedhummusrocket gullible means “easily persuaded to believe something”. He never lied to me, just left without leaving the dvd set for me to get back from the kum n go 💁🏻♂️
This show was also a victim of the Gulf War and other happenings at the time. It was constantly being pre-empted by breaking news, and was either delayed or not shown when it was supposed to be. It was really frustrating.
No matter the issues that people had with the Arrowverse, one of the coolest things that they did was bring back a few of the 90s Flash actors. John Wesley Shipp as Henry Allen, Jay Garrick and Earth-90 Barry Allen (Season 1-9)
Amanda Pays as Dr. Tina McGee (Season 1-3)
Mark Hamill as Earth-1 and Earth-3 James Jesse/Trickster (Season 1-3)
Alex Désert as Flashpoint and Earth-1 Julio Mendez (Season 3)
Vito D’Ambrosio as Earth-1 Mayor Tony Bellows (Season 1-4)
Corinne Bohrer as Earth-1 Zoey Clark/Prank (Season 4)
i could not stop laughing at the visual joke at 2:43. thank you to whoever edited this
Thank you!!!
Honestly surprised it’s taken this long. This is perfect for this series
The "here's the Thing" cutaway really made this for me.
I grew up with JWS being my Flash and I absolutely love that he got a second chance and a proper end for 1990 Flash as well as playing Henry and Jay. :) Also super nice to interact with on his social medias and meet at conventions. He's a cool guy. :)
Looking forward to the Supergirl one next week. I swear it's not as bad as everyone remembers - it even has actually good looking flying. Mark my words!
I don't understand my brain... No matter what I'm doing I have to stop everything and look at the screen when "the guy who screams Rodney" comes on 🤷🏿♂️
Barry's friend from Becker and one of the cops in this series also reprised their roles in the CW Flash series, playing characters with the same names
i did not expect the Becker bit to return
Love the channel, and the podcast! I love listening at work while I’m getting things done.
SUPERFORCE!!! oh my God this was buried deep in my subconscious I was 5 years old when i watched this and even then i was blown away. A key reason to why i love anything sci-fi and comic books
The actors who played Tina, Julio and Trickster's sidekick all also show up in the modern Flash show.
And Mayor Bellows
2:43 "Here's The Thing though.." Gold star for that editing joke.
The edit right at the end of this video is genius!
Cheers legend!!
Mark Hamill played the Trickster in all reprising roles in the Flash (1990), Justice League Unlimited, The Flash (2014), and Justice League Action
Also, the actress who played Tina Mcghee was in the CW Flash as a separate character. She is in season 1 and season 2(?). She has her own business. Just to add to the CW connections.
Edit: This comment was written before Green Trivia.
Given the sheer amount of references to "That Mitchell and Webb Look" I insist we get a series of videos just about that. It is a great series that a lot of people have not seen and I insist we hear your takes on it for at least 45 minutes to an hour.
It would’ve been great if they’d gotten Michael Keaton and Christopher Reeve to show up in the show. Do the extended universe 26 years before
The Rodney bit gets me every time
5:43 That is actually very believable for me. As an Asian, my parents told me they went through much worse every single day of their life when they were young and they still lived a good life with a good job and how fortunate I was to be born in the family
Thumbs up for the guy who shouts “Rodney”
Great episode gents.
I had those VHS tapes. One had the first episode and the other had both Trickster episodes. I watched the nonstop when I was younger to the point they stopped working. Luckily later down the line my mom found the complete series on DVD. Needless to say I love this show.
Thank you RAWCollings, for the edit
Cheers to you Justin!!
Cheers guys! Thanks for covering this oft-overlooked show!
I really hope John Wesley Shipp does a cameo in the new Flash movies this Summer.
Collings, great job with this edit! that "here's the thing" moment did it for me from the very start.
Great work everyone. The banter and editing were on-point.
Another part of The Flash's scheduling woes: after one or two episodes, they put the show on hold to air the World Series. When they brought the show back, it had changed nights. Most of us in the pre-internet era couldn't watch the show because we had no idea when it was on.
"Here's the thing though..." [Inserts a cast photo from the 1994 Roger Corman Fantastic Four] Sometimes I just want to kiss the editors right on the mouth. Lmao 🤣
I used to go to ska shows around this time, in L.A. and the 'Inland Empire' (Riverside), and this guy with the hair 2:15 was in a band called _Hepcat,_ and they were OK. Update: He's still in the band, but to me he'll always be the guy who was in that other thing and also this thing.
the momentary use of the Becker theme was delightful. Stellar edit
that space force rant had me thinking we were being twilighted again. twilit? I don't know.
I'm kinda disappointed we didn't get twilit
As someone who has met John Wesley Ship multiple times, at various comic cons I can say he is really that smooth looking in person.
I definitely spent the first several minutes of this episode wondering if we’d been faked out again and this was actually an episode about Super Force.
Thank you! Here I thought Super Force was this fever dream I dreamt up as a kid! I remember when Mortal Kombat 3 came out featuring these new cybernetic fighters of Smoke, Sector, and Cyrax and thinking, “they copied their look from somewhere… I could of sworn I’ve seen a show with a black version of these who rides a bike!” But I could never remember the name!
Watching green trivia while wearing green is a surreal experience
Add it to the trivia 😂
wish i was smoking some of that green stuff right now....
RODNEY
I can just feel the editors pain every time Mason brings the wrong 90's show and they have to trudge through hours of Super Force in order to get footage.
'Here's the thing though’ and shows The Thing, it cracks me up
Flash I grew up with. I loved this show.
The fact that they referenced Sir Digby Chicken Caesar really threw me for a loop
Whenever Sir Digby Chicken Caeser is mentioned I feel immense joy. Such a beautifully dumb niche reference
Dudes! I love your channel!!!! It is fantastic! As much as I loved The Flash from 1990, The Surprising Adventures of Sir Digby Chicken Caesar is now at the top of my list!!!! I had never heard of That Mitchell and Webb Look or Sir Digby Chicken Caesar before, so thank you for opening my world up to another classic!!!!!
They watched my remaster and used it throughout the episode (for the edit), but didn't give me any credit... Thanks...
4:56 that’s enough
@@hayhydm not really, I didn't get a name drop
nice to see the return of the 'I'M RIDING A BIKE I'M RIDING A MOTORBIKE!' clip
I’m always here for a Sum 41 reference. I love that they always reference them lol
you guys always cheer me up. thank you :)
I would agree that a lot of the "romantic tension/attraction?" (Looking for a better descriptor) is missing from a lot of modern Spiro movies.
I would say that the first Thor, Captain America, The Amazing Spider-Man, MoS and BvS, and Deadpool successfully integrated that element into their movies
I think it's also because that it's an easy thing to screw up. The Killing Joke and Invincible come to mind with just god awful romantic plots
@@YaBoiBigNutz I can't speak to invincible as I don't know anything about it. But as far as the killing Joke is concerned, I'm not even sure if I could barely consider that a romantic subplot. It was mishandled because it should have never been handled in the first place. I was less of a romance plot and just Bruce Timm's gross obsession with pairing Batman and Batgirl together
Happy to see you guys cover this show. It was a big part of my childhood. I had just gotten into the Spider-man and mcu movies at the time and my mom bought me The Flash series and season one of the Incredible Hulk on dvd. I loved it so much. I go back and revisit it every now and then and it still holds up in my opinion. Also having Mark Hammil as the trickster is just too much fun lol.
I loved this show as a kid! So glad you covered it! I remember being excited that John Wesley Shipps would be in The Never Ending Story 2... The less said about that movie the better. But I got to work with him years later when he was on One Life to Live. Was so cool!
I caught the pilot on TV when I was like 11 at 11pm on a Saturday and loved it, I thought it was just a Flash movie I never heard of until I got a magazine about superhero properties right when Iron Man came out and it had a little article about the 1990 Flash show - I was very shocked and very hungry to see the rest.
I lol'd hard at Sir Digby Chicken Caesar suddenly appearing.
Made sure to check some comments before I dropped these two pieces of my own Green Trivia...
1. Shirley Walker, who composed the music for the Flash TV show, went on to score Batman: The Animated Series (and a number of other DC animated shows in that era) which theme took inspiration from Danny Elfman's Batman '89. Walker and Elfman collaborated together numerous times, and Bruce Timm reached out to Walker for BTAS because of her work on 'The Flash.'
2. I can't remember the actor's name, but the guy who played Jay Allen, Barry's older brother, he was in an episode of Lois & Clark where Superman and a petty crook (the Jay Allen actor) get body-swapped. Just another fun DC show fun connection there.
I vaguely remember seeing reruns of this when I was a kid.
Little known fact:
The episode "Twin Streaks" features a clone of The Flash, not so much modeled after Reverse Flash, but a unique tragic character in a blue costume. And the working title for the episode was "Blue Harvest", which coincidentally was the original title for "Star Wars".
Only 4 weeks left before the D&D movie, when are you going to do the 2 D&D movies?! Help me, MrSundayMovies, you're my only hope.
what are you talking about... there is no D&D movies....
@@GarmrsBarking Ummmm yes there are. 3 of them in fact, and another one coming out in a few weeks. 2000 - Dungeons and Dragons, 2005 - Wrath of the Dragon God (the best) and 2012 - The Book of Vile Darkness (I didn't even know this one existed)
@@markhalver3391 all falsehoods and lies....
next thing you gonna say is that there are more than two terminator movies or god forbid an alien 3...
@@GarmrsBarking Why be an idiot?
@@markhalver3391 do you know the concept called a joke?
This is a very fun show. Also, maybe an unpopular opinion, but I find Supergirl to be quite a delightful movie. 99% of that comes from Helen Slater's performance, but still, it's a good time.
The shadow force banter was one of the funniest convos I've ever heard...
You guys really captured how, in the 90s, whether we were listening to Counting Crows or Spin Doctors from the jukebox at the Pizza Hut buffet while talking about the latest Fireman Bill sketch on In Living Color, we made sure to say "we're in the 90s!" at least once per sentence.
Just a little BTS for you Mr. Sundays. I was pulled on to this show during the pilot. by the Camera Operator, whom I went to school with and had just done a low budget horror with.
The pilot went insanely over budget. The next two episodes went $1 million over each. That's when I was let go. We were working insane hours - mostly at night. The suit was something that had never been attempted before. The vfxs were groundbreaking and took time. CBS wanted "Batman on network TV"< but doing that cost almost as much as Batman, so eventually compromises had to be made. The incredible lighting in those first few episodes is what took up a lot of the time, and we were shooting at night, which runs up your budget.
John was awesome. So was Amanda. BTW: Barry's parents are still alive because this was made before Geoff Johns did the re-boot on the character.
So glad you guys did a video on this show, so underrated! I hope they remaster the whole show and put it in streaming at some point.
The smoothness you refer to is added Digital Noise Reduction in the upscale.