The anecdote of the riot between the (white) sailors versus the Mexican zoot suit(er)s (-> an expressive clothing style back then in the 1940s) as Kenneth's inspiration for his official debut "Fireworks" (1947) doesn't sound like one of his usual myths. In addition to his queer underground short it's important to know. Thank you! PS: for me, Kenneth Anger will always be a rebel in its best sense.
So many snooty commentators on this video. Refn makes self referential jokes or comments and you jump on him and call him fake. The guy made Drive, Pusher, and Valhalla Rising. He’s a good, competent filmmaker. People need to chill out. It’s less of an interview and more of a conversation.
I think it was lucky to get this footage, of this famous man. And i loved his 'Rabbit Moon' I want to be all the players in his movie.. The art is amazing I think renascence period.
i always felt the same about paintings. capturing....not a moment in time but more so a moment in time in the artists head. they don't make art like they did hundreds & hundreds of years ago.
I’m not sure specifically what you’re referring to when you say “they don’t make art like they did”, but if I understand you correctly as meaning the “style” and/or “aesthetic” and/or “craft”, say of the renaissance, baroque, and even romantic periods, then I’d say you’re only partly correct. I think it’s not so much that art like this isn’t made anymore, it is, but it’s not considered to be so worthy of attention, certainly not the kind of art that’s going to attract a lot of media attention in the modern age, let alone be put in museums. I’m sure there are current artists who are stylistically/aesthetically very similar to those eras who at least get some patronage, be it a living or not, from art collectors/buyers, though I can’t name any current artists doing so.. I’m not really a part of any art circles, I don’t actively seek out new art/ists the way I used to, so I am absolutely not an authority, but rather quite ignorant. I simply know enough to be confident of the general accuracy of my general statements, in general. ✌️
Does anyone know the names of the paintings in the background? Primarily the the two big ones directly behind them when the camera's cut to the Anger and the interviewer's close ups. Thank you!
The Fall of the Titans is an oil painting of the Titanomachy made by the Dutch painter Cornelis van Haarlem in 1588-1590:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_the_Titans
@@johnryan3913 ah, yes, i got it now! had problems understanding what is the last name Kenneth pronounced, but i guess it is because of the little knowledge i have about Andre Gide - otherwise the "sound" of Andre's last name wouldn't have left me confused. And i think It is time for me to come closer and get to know him better. Thanks for advice, i ll start with these two works you mentioned. P.S. Rest in Peace, Kenneth.
Shocked by Refn's ignorance. He asks banal questions and then never picks up the interesting stuff that Kenneth comes up with anyway. He doesn't even know Marldoror. I'll be looking at his production in a different light.
I guess one has to be in the moment to know for sure. Refn is no slouch, he has made some good films in his own. They are having a real conversation, seemingly satisfying to both of them.
It's called "conversation", not "interview" though. The likenesses are interesting in both their works; if anything the eye of the camera is intruding and is being the rude one.
Nicolas and Anger are both equals in my book, both like making aesthetic porn . Besides Nic was just musing for attention and acknowledgement from him ,he a feminine boi
Looking at all these great paintings leaves one wondering why they have not been converted into altra realism using digital style photography. Imagine Caravaggio's works from paint to digital altra realism.
@@sitluxetluxfuit4481 imagine a pos Mediterranean like u running your mouth about blasphemy as you bow down before your plagiarized desert god and submit your weakness The weak worship the weak, runt You're lucky we tolerate you ...for now
The moment anger talks is like, you almost feel like saying to yourself (shh.. a genius is talking!) you gotta hear this instead of typing it in your cellphone for other people to read it.
+Juan P www.amazon.com/Maldoror-Poems-Penguin-Classics-Lautreamont/dp/0140443428/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1454790946&sr=8-2&keywords=lautreamont Great book, but not an easy read because it is not written as an inter-connected narrative; it's made up of episodic little chapters. There are some AMAZING visuals though...some of them pretty obscene!
@@quester09 Collins is a infamous family name in witchcraft . There was two separate family's from that clan on the Mayflower when it landed in America. All the family's on board the Mayflower where directly involved in witchcraft. Anger is a direct descended of the Collins clan.
Why is Nicolas so unbelievably try hard and cringe. “We as filmmakers are celluloid dreams”….”hah”. What do you say to such a fake deep opener to an interview. Nicolas is a different side of the “film bro” archetype, the type that has done the studying but is so incompetent that he has to make movies and talk as if he were a prophet when in actually he comes off like a pretentious clown. He seems to be as insufferable as his filmmaking. “Like a destiny concept like it was meant to be”… *waits for a reaction from Kenneth*… nothing… realizes or neglects to realize that what he said was pseudo intellectual and something you’d hear from anybody who wants to appear smarter than they are. The forced chuckles from Anger say it all. Unbearably insipid interviewer, but genius interviewee.
Who the heck gave these guys the green light to be our cultural influencers? What about these two boring, dry individuals makes people think 'heroic'? We need to be very careful about who we look up to.
You do know Ken essentially is responsible for the "music video" as you know it today? Do you want them to be the embodiment of cliche for directors? outlandish and eccentric?
Anger's biggest legacy is his gay film from 1947 in a time where such films were illegal. Hollywood Babylon, regardless of its factual underpinnings, influenced the modern tabloid gossip (which Anger must have known a lot of since he knew who was gay in Hollywood).
Lmao taking advice from some high estrogen male about the nature of heroism is the height of irony - and hilarity Dont you gave some gay mountains to climb, runt?
It’s so sincere, you feel the same way Refn and Kenneth Anger feel while the conversation goes on
The anecdote of the riot between the (white) sailors versus the Mexican zoot suit(er)s (-> an expressive clothing style back then in the 1940s) as Kenneth's inspiration for his official debut "Fireworks" (1947) doesn't sound like one of his usual myths. In addition to his queer underground short it's important to know. Thank you!
PS: for me, Kenneth Anger will always be a rebel in its best sense.
Both of them have the "Innsmouth Look".
hahahaha
Oh my God they do!
Really? I don't see it....
Hahaha
Nailed it.... well done sir.
So many snooty commentators on this video. Refn makes self referential jokes or comments and you jump on him and call him fake. The guy made Drive, Pusher, and Valhalla Rising. He’s a good, competent filmmaker. People need to chill out. It’s less of an interview and more of a conversation.
wait, what?
But he's so plump and pink and smug.
Paintings aren't like a pre-photography snapshot at all. Look at that painting behind him for example.
Anger is 81/82 years of age here
I think it was lucky to get this footage, of this famous man. And i loved his 'Rabbit Moon' I want to be all the players in his movie.. The art is amazing I think renascence period.
Nick: Coming across more like a health professional in his questioning style. Dr Refn.
What a waste of a good chance to actually sit with Kenneth for a half hour.
Why us it a waste?
i always felt the same about paintings. capturing....not a moment in time but more so a moment in time in the artists head. they don't make art like they did hundreds & hundreds of years ago.
I’m not sure specifically what you’re referring to when you say “they don’t make art like they did”, but if I understand you correctly as meaning the “style” and/or “aesthetic” and/or “craft”, say of the renaissance, baroque, and even romantic periods, then I’d say you’re only partly correct. I think it’s not so much that art like this isn’t made anymore, it is, but it’s not considered to be so worthy of attention, certainly not the kind of art that’s going to attract a lot of media attention in the modern age, let alone be put in museums. I’m sure there are current artists who are stylistically/aesthetically very similar to those eras who at least get some patronage, be it a living or not, from art collectors/buyers, though I can’t name any current artists doing so..
I’m not really a part of any art circles, I don’t actively seek out new art/ists the way I used to, so I am absolutely not an authority, but rather quite ignorant. I simply know enough to be confident of the general accuracy of my general statements, in general. ✌️
i wish the color temperature was more consistent. Throws me out of the scene when they cut to the seemingly gopro wide shot. Great interview though
I love Anger so very much.
@John Johnson because he hates God? Because he loves human shit?
Because he is A.W.E.S.O.M.E! You jugdemental shit! (Christian warrior,how daft can one be????????????????
I don't. Have you ever met Mr. Anger?
@Hugo Werner I doubt Anger would even consider himself a left winger at all
@@djbendersheleighly8068 Yes, for that
Does anyone know the names of the paintings in the background? Primarily the the two big ones directly behind them when the camera's cut to the Anger and the interviewer's close ups. Thank you!
The audio is horrible!!!
I just started watching so I hope they talk about him playing with demons if you will.
For real, this interview was awful. I hate small talk
THE LEGEND THE DIVINE MASTER AND MISTRESS OF THE DARK SIDE OF THE SUN AND ITS CHILDREN, BLESSINS SIR ANGER
What exactly are you blessing?
I'm surprised they got the sound backwards, they need to flip it around.
To bad they (The Business) will not work w/ Writers that are on strike.....Wow they need their help....
Why is it so hard to hear Kenneth and the interviewer is loud and clear? Amateurs..
what a real human!!!!!
can anyone tell me the name of the painting behind anger?
The Fall of the Titans is an oil painting of the Titanomachy made by the Dutch painter Cornelis van Haarlem in 1588-1590:-
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_of_the_Titans
It's a painting of nephilim fallen angels = titans
who is Andre Kenneth talks about on 13:23 ?
Andre Gide (1869 - 1951), who is well worth investigating. I first read his novels The Counterfeiters, and The Immoralist, when I was about 20.
@@johnryan3913 ah, yes, i got it now!
had problems understanding what is the last name Kenneth pronounced, but i guess it is because of the little knowledge i have about Andre Gide - otherwise the "sound" of Andre's last name wouldn't have left me confused. And i think It is time for me to come closer and get to know him better. Thanks for advice, i ll start with these two works you mentioned.
P.S.
Rest in Peace, Kenneth.
found it! its fall of the titans by cornelis van haarlem.
Nice living room.
Can't believe this guy is 81. Maybe i do have a bit of time left after all.
he's 95 how and still kicking it
@@sideshow4212 very interesting guy. I can't belive i just became aware of him. Im 66 and i read and study history all the time.
Winding Refn has a large neck
Shocked by Refn's ignorance. He asks banal questions and then never picks up the interesting stuff that Kenneth comes up with anyway. He doesn't even know Marldoror. I'll be looking at his production in a different light.
After his revelations about his hard dyslexia (part 2), my above comment seems unfair.
I guess one has to be in the moment to know for sure. Refn is no slouch, he has made some good films in his own. They are having a real conversation, seemingly satisfying to both of them.
@@PierluigiPuccini Refn is one of the best directors working today.
He’s a complete an utter dullard. The epitome of pretentious. He is flashy but there’s no brains behind anything he says or films. Pseudo intellectual
The height of rudeness is when an interviewer promotes their own work during an interview. Awful.
It's called "conversation", not "interview" though. The likenesses are interesting in both their works; if anything the eye of the camera is intruding and is being the rude one.
Nicolas and Anger are both equals in my book, both like making aesthetic porn . Besides Nic was just musing for attention and acknowledgement from him ,he a feminine boi
Talk about Elle Fanning and the White Goddess tyranny of pulchritude!
Would've made sense if you're doing an interview to have a microphone.
Hi Alex, take a look at f.ex. 10.08. Both men are wearing microport clip on mics. Hope you enjoy the interview.
@@SpaceRocketNationfilms guys can you please add captions?
@@SpaceRocketNationfilms well, someone forgot to plug em in then...
Which is the film they mention in 26:50?
Joan of Arc (1928). The director is Carl Theodor Dreyer.
eng subs ? pleaseeee
Looking at all these great paintings leaves one wondering why they have not been converted
into altra realism using digital style photography. Imagine Caravaggio's works from
paint to digital altra realism.
An alter:native vis a vis the :real:?
Blasphemy.
It is starting to be done now with some pieces I believe, or will be given what I’ve seen. I have no opinion on it, just something I know is.
@@sitluxetluxfuit4481 imagine a pos Mediterranean like u running your mouth about blasphemy as you bow down before your plagiarized desert god and submit your weakness
The weak worship the weak, runt
You're lucky we tolerate you ...for now
The moment anger talks is like, you almost feel like saying to yourself (shh.. a genius is talking!) you gotta hear this instead of typing it in your cellphone for other people to read it.
What was the book mentioned in 17:24?
+Juan P I also want an answer to this. I tried spelling it and various other ways. I can t find it. Anybody?
+nick pociiask Found it! Les Chants de Maldoror by comte de Lautréamont
+Juan P www.amazon.com/Maldoror-Poems-Penguin-Classics-Lautreamont/dp/0140443428/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1454790946&sr=8-2&keywords=lautreamont Great book, but not an easy read because it is not written as an inter-connected narrative; it's made up of episodic little chapters. There are some AMAZING visuals though...some of them pretty obscene!
Kenneth Anger...What a totally un nervous guy.
omg the guy who interviews him makes me so uncomfortable i cant watch it
They are both evil.
Christian Warrior how?
@@djbendersheleighly8068 sauce or are just making shtt up again?
@@djbendersheleighly8068 are you a pirate, big man?
There is something really worng about the vibe that freak anger =(Collins) has got going on. I wonder if he is john Todd's brother?
That's an interesting comment you made.
Barnabas Collins?
lolwut
???
@@quester09 Collins is a infamous family name in witchcraft . There was two separate family's from that clan on the Mayflower when it landed in America. All the family's on board the Mayflower where directly involved in witchcraft. Anger is a direct descended of the Collins clan.
love anger, forever. cant stand refn
look what they did to Jesus
Refn was too much of a mouth breather so it seems
The interviewer is giving me weird vibes. Lmao
Can Oba He is here, he shouldn’t be as a profession, it’s a good thing he’s not. 🤷♀️🤣
Orate
What pretentious tripe lol.
Stick to Marvel. 😉
That's just your low testosterone speaking Danny boi
Back to your toys
Why is Nicolas so unbelievably try hard and cringe. “We as filmmakers are celluloid dreams”….”hah”. What do you say to such a fake deep opener to an interview. Nicolas is a different side of the “film bro” archetype, the type that has done the studying but is so incompetent that he has to make movies and talk as if he were a prophet when in actually he comes off like a pretentious clown. He seems to be as insufferable as his filmmaking. “Like a destiny concept like it was meant to be”… *waits for a reaction from Kenneth*… nothing… realizes or neglects to realize that what he said was pseudo intellectual and something you’d hear from anybody who wants to appear smarter than they are. The forced chuckles from Anger say it all. Unbearably insipid interviewer, but genius interviewee.
Yawn...
Who the heck gave these guys the green light to be our cultural influencers? What about these two boring, dry individuals makes people think 'heroic'?
We need to be very careful about who we look up to.
Nobody did! Everyone's free to choose and follow, neither are these 2 dry individual forcing you to!
You do know Ken essentially is responsible for the "music video" as you know it today? Do you want them to be the embodiment of cliche for directors? outlandish and eccentric?
I do. I met him briefly in 1984.
Anger's biggest legacy is his gay film from 1947 in a time where such films were illegal. Hollywood Babylon, regardless of its factual underpinnings, influenced the modern tabloid gossip (which Anger must have known a lot of since he knew who was gay in Hollywood).
Lmao taking advice from some high estrogen male about the nature of heroism is the height of irony - and hilarity
Dont you gave some gay mountains to climb, runt?