Nicolas Winding Refn in conversation with Gaspar Noe
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- čas přidán 17. 01. 2015
- At the Danish Film Institute. 2014. The two directors discuss their work methods, current state of the film industry and their future projects. Space Rocket Nation is the production company of the acclaimed director/producer team of Nicolas Winding Refn and Lene Borglum. Follow us at / spacerocketnation or subscribe to this youtube channel to discover similar content as it becomes available
2 introverts trying to handle a conversation
Refn isnt lol
Not at all
these two alone create 95% of the business in the neon lights industry
Damn you right
Dont forget half of the movies that A24 has aquired
Two of my favorite directors in a room talking to each other? Sweet.
I so wish I was there in that room...
Gaspar doesn't need to sell his films like others because of his noticeably distinct raw talent.
Bullshit. Financiers just want to make a profit, no matter who you are.
a______�______a yes producers,but not billionaires who love arthouse films.
Yes he needs to sell his movies, that's why he lies in the script etc.
@@warpnl1 those lies seem like taking shorter rout, but in overall it's longer rout.
In the end of this vid you can clearly see the difference between those two routs and directors. One is practical, truthful, and knows when to take the shortcut (e.g. use of app that fixes audio for you but the other one doesn't even think about it and instead ends up with re-organising and re-mixing whole soundtrack for mobile devices). If you look at box offices, and budgets of Gasper's latest films only one that paid off was the "irreversible" the rest are always in the red.
Idk which one is better, but there's clear evidence that those two are completely indifferent if it comes to making a big budget films. One just got luck (had connections - worked with friend's father on films) the other one just worked his way to the top.
that's what i took from this interview, idk if im right or wrong for those assumptions. Just some observation and hypothesis.
@@Har2h Yeah, pretty good assumptions. But with wich you doe you mean that one had luck and the other one worked his way up. I think you mean Refn with luck and Noé his way working up?
Gaspar is such a lovable soul.
These two geniuses have actually met in person?! 😲 I'm in shock right now!
And helped each other out
two of the most polarising directors of all time, love it that they know who they are as directors and dont give a shit what people think of it.
Both phenomenal directors. Shut the fuck up and admire the things none of us could possibly began to create.
I love Refn's style, but that's the only thing I like about his movies. Gaspar is my spirit animal.
Hon Ey explain?
The 'bedroom scene' in 'Irréversible' works perfectly the way it is, because it's so restrained compared to what's come before.
Gaspar's eyebrows deserve a horror movie.
As do Martin Scorsese's
Noé: “Nowadays people care more about the timing of a movie than the quality”
Refn: “I like that.”
😐
Whats means timing? Duration or rythm? Rythm is the base. Both of them has movies that shouldn't be full-length. For example try to watch some De la Iglecia movies Day of the beast for example cause of Christmas is soon and u see how much adventures can be in one lenth with perfect timing. And what make Refn with rythm all this was mad in asian movies before. Its quite radical joke but put more wierd neon lightings in Kitano's films and here you go) Takeshi movies made with math method
I was thinking before that Nicolas Winding is crazy director. After watching this video, it seems that Gaspar Noe is much crazier than him.
Noe's are much more insane compared to Refn's
Irreversible alone...
Noe is not crazy, he is just stupid.
@@VitomirKaucic who are you
Lolol
Finally i find the point in wich i disagree with Refn. Watching movies on Iphone is wrong way to expirience film. Wich is ironic, considering how cinematic his own films are.
To me you can watch a film on a laptop or even an Ipad but on a phone i really hate that.
+RJ reviews yeah, i don't know what the hell he's getting on about there. "i think it's the future" i wonder if he's being serious or not.
David Kingsbury
maybe he's being realistic.)
try watching his movies on iPhone with VR. You'll understand.
RJ reviews the smaller the screen the better the picture.
Refn strikes me as pretty insecure somehow. Tends to deflect negative comments or rephrase them towards Gaspar. Gaspar himself seems to have an extremely affected way of talking, bit of a neurotic, very introverted. Interesting to see the contrasting personalities.
waterguyroks I think they’re both introverts, but yeah Gaspar more
refn did an amazing series of interview which you can watch here: czcams.com/video/hGfu6AGkgHY/video.html
if you're curious about his insecurities, i highly recommend. these interviews are like a documentary unfolding in front of your eyes
Two of my favourite directors
I NEED 5 HOURS OF THIS!
I think these guys are my two favorite directors.
FUCKIN HELL... This goes to the uploader of this clip: "I CAN'T TELL YOU JUST HOW THANKFUL I AM FOR PUTTING THIS VIDEO HERE, IN WHICH WE COULD SEE TWO OF THE VERY FEW, GREATEST YOUNG DIRECTORS IN THE EUROPEAN CINEMA IN THE LAST 20-30 YEARS (along with Lars Von Trier, and a few others, like F. Akin and others...of course)!SO, THANKS YOU, THANKS, DANKE, GRAZIE, GRACIAS, БЛАГОДАРАМ, HVALA, СПАСИБА..."
These two fellas made two of the most impressive films in Europe, in these last 20 years: Noe - "Seul Contre Tous" & REFN - "Valhalla Rising", along with "Breaking The Waves", "Gegen Die Wand", "Before The Rain", "La Vita E Bella", "Dancer In The Dark", "Assassin(s)", (of course, all these others I'm mentioning, aren't their films, but come from other directors. I'm naming them, just to put them in a context, that they're among the best as well)...and quite a few others ( but it won't be cool if I start naming each and every one I find to be amongst the very best since the 1990's till today)!
Thus, thank you again man....
wow...2 of my favourite directors. Its like when u play a porn of ur favourite pornstar and find ur another favourite also in it.
the only difference between these two is noe's talent is raw true,
as a native English speaker, I am incredibly surprised how English is becoming the 'lingua franca' for Danes, Argentines, etc, etc.
+Benjamin Jack Kata Finau It's a good middle ground on which to communicate, that's all. An argentine might not speak danish and a danish might not speak spanish, yet they might both speak english. English has had that role in the world for decades now.
Noe's accent is definitely French. Just sayin'...
noé grew up in argentine and moved to france at 12, and now he's.. very french
Refn grew up on Manhatten. But yes, Danes are quite good at english.
This interaction between the two is completely eye opening. Refn is extremely narrow in his potential and the potential of his art form. His ideas are forced and systematic. Even his thoughts and questions and the way he addresses himself towards Noe is unconsciously condescending. This light reveals a lot about why they do what they do. Refn wants to be a great filmmaker and Noe wants to just make films.
Nothing about what he says in this interview implies that his "ideas are forced and systematic." People could and have been saying the same thing about Kubrick for the past 50 years, and they are just as wrong.
You hate him as a person? How so? You don't even know him.
Hmm I just saw these comments today. Just to clarify, I wrote the comment after having watched the video and realizing that two of my favorite directors approach their craft substantially differently. Their entire way of looking at film is just not even on the same page. I hope no one took offense to what I had said. It was an observation but I was also a bit disappointed at how Refn approached film. I don't know him as a person but I'm very put off by how he's projected here. I look at his films with new impressions
+Dalena Tran It's just his nordic mannerisms that make him seem that way
+Dalena Tran lmao you're so wrong and unbearably pretentious it's almost unbelievable VFS
I don't particularly care for either of their full body of work, although there isn't a doubt in my mind both of them are extremely talented people who express their creativity in vastly different ways. This was fantastic to watch.
The holy Trinity of controversial filmmakers would be Lars von Trier, Nicolas Winding Refn and Gaspar Noe. I would pay to see that Interview.
I feel like Darren Aronofsky should take Refn’s spot.
HARMONY KORINE
I loved Valhalla rising but refn really fucked up using that cgi blood, everything else is so natural and real that the blood really takes away from the movie.
Two of my heros
Gaspard Noe was extremely inspired by the first Pusher film from Refn. That is very clear… however Noe has a more Extreme approach than Refn does. I think they are hard to compare.
this was before the neon demon
the future of film (audio) is brightly coloured, if they are directed, edited, mixed.. created.. for iPhoney film buffs..
I've seen Gaspar Noé compared to Nicholas Winding Refn before, but I wonder how much of that comparison has to do with their usages of violence, and maybe colour? Because beyond that, I wouldn't really liken their films.
Refn (and I say this as someone who really likes his movies) belongs very much to the artsploitation class like Dario Argento and Tinto Brass.
Whereas if I had to find Noé a spiritual counterpart, this maybe a hot take, but I'd go with Rickard Linklater. Tonally, the two couldn't be further apart: Noé practically lives in the darkness, whilst Linklater is light, and real-life, almost to the point of being mundane [but never committing the sin of being boring].
However, both Linklater and Noé seem determined to represent certain aspects of life (and death), that we seldom get to see, and most importantly, to do it _truthfully._
They are both directors who use their cameras to capture truthful moments and emotions, and tell stories that ring equally true... even if that story is about a soul being ejected from its body and drifting through time and space.
Even their explorations of time, whilst wildly different in approach, arrive at similar places. _Irreversible_ ends on a card that reads "Le temps détruit tous." ("Time destroys everything") but Noé has said, in interviews that the card almost read "Le temps dévore tous." ("Time devours everything"). Now watch _Boyhood_ or even the _Before_ trilogy and try not to see the Wolf of Time lurking in the background.
In short, Linklater and Noé may be telling fictional stories, but they refuse to lie.
meus bebe
It seems that Refn wanted to extract Noe's technique, but he asked too directly. I would imagine that he should have been subtle.
i love this two but by the end Nicholas seems to be provoking Gaspar
I don't know why Refn thinks movies should be seen in small screens...his films are specifically made to be watched on the biggest screens possible.
That's where he lost me... but not completely, he's truly right but damn, that right call sucks ass
Was this filmed in munich? Thanks for the upload
Hi, no this conversation was filmed in the "Dagmar" cinema in Copenhagen.
Maestro meets Maestro
Refn is not a good talker. He wants to imbue everything he says with meaning and intrigue, solely because he loves his art that much. However, he fails to do so and instead comes off as pretentious and condescending, mainly because of the language barrier and him being awkward in general. But, like with most artists, we see his best self through his art, because he can whittle down, analytically, all his mistakes and unclear thoughts into what he really wants to express.
P.S. I find these two guys to be the most interesting directors in film today.
Linkinbird617, perfectly stated observation! 👌👍
The goats
At 24:08, whats the name of the movie Gaspar is talking about? I cant clearly understand when he names it.... ;(
I believe he said Kenneth Anger - Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome
Same doubt here... We need a captain. "Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome" doesn't have the scenes he describe.
"Te Boston Strangler" by Richard Fleischer :)
Thank you very much!
le choc des titans !!
I've only seen "enter the void" and "irreversible" also a couple music videos from gaspar. Will someone please recommend other things from him that I might be missing out on?
IEATN ightmares check out I Stand Alone
It's a cinematic masterpiece
Only Death Is Real cool thanks I'll check it out forsure
CLIMAX
He made music videos?
Refn calls the 5D a "D5".
I think Refn was joking about the iPhone stuff
25:21 😬
How Gaspar Finances his movies:
Seul Contre Tous: Its Low budget
Irreversible: Monica Bellucci and Vincent Cassel and fake Tarantino genre + Pre-movie of Seul Contre Teus
Enter the Void: false reference points
Love: Cannes loved enter the void
Coco Channel How was Irreversible a fake Tarantino movie genre?
Fake Tarantino genre? Have you even seen Irreversible, it's miles apart from a Tarantino film!
ur dumb i guess
If anyone is the poser here, it is Tarantino
Irreversible was nothing like a Tarantino film. If anything, it sorta ripped off Memento.
imagine if they both made a film
They do both make films.
@@Largentina. like worked together on a film
@@Gabe-ss1hi Oh I know what you meant. It's just not what you said.
I get watching movies on i-phones. I do. At an airport, on a train, a road trip, board at work, etc... But, I never watch something for the first time that I really want to see on a screen the size of my fucking palm. I want to immerse my self in it, feel it, let it surround me and possibly transport me out of this world, escape the grind so to speak. But, I'll make sure from now on, that when Nicolas Winding Refn has a new film out, to watch it on my phone to pass the time while standing in line at the cinema to see Gasper Noe's new one.
I’m pretty sure Refn was joking
@@jordanlonsdale9468 I doubt that
Refn is one of my favorite directors but I prefer Pusher, Pusher II and Bronson to Only God Forgives or The Neon Demon. I think he gets in his own head too much, he's too deliberate in trying to make movies full of symbolism. He doesn't need to make straight-forward movies, he can be weird and experimental, but he literally removes 80% from his screenplays and then movies like The Neon Demon just seem way too stripped down, not enough substance at all. but he has displayed moments of genius. but this happens to all good directors. Tarantino gets in his head too much. Even Christopher Nolan who I think works well with smaller budgets but loses his grasp on the story and the script when he's given an unlimited amount of money to work with
Wow, so many points I agree.
Best Refn films:
Pusher, Bronson, Drive & Fear X
Great comment
12:08 he cannot help himself, bragging about being in the presence of the great Jodorowsky. There is only one great director in this video and you don't get a prize for guessing who it is.
I see your point, BUT, if you meet Jodorowsky would you not brag about it?
Gaspar prefers Anger
These guys don't seem to gel together like I thought they would. Their mutual respect is apparent, but it's still a bit awkward.
22:39 Watching What?????
Vampyr (1932) - Directed by Carl Theodor Dryer
A Masterclass by two very discticted directors of how to fuck with the producers 😅
i will never watch a movie on a phone sorry Nicolas i agree with Caspar if not at a movie house then i will download watch at home with a good sound system at home
I hope Refn was being ironic about watching movies on an iPhone, if he's serious my opinion of him has gone down a tad.
He's being serious. He's said that dozens of times in interviews. This is seriously the only time you've seen him speak on this?
He is just a dad that feels like he knows about Technology
Refn is a genius, but pretty pretentious
And what's wrong with that?
I vehemently disagree with Refn at the end there, I think Refn is forgetting what makes cinema good and set apart from just brainless entertainment
man, Refn is a really boring, flat speaker. Love hearing Noe speaking tho
Tu passes un message pour j'ai un mot de passe pour toi parce que moi je peux espérer moi je respecte tu as toujours mal jamais il m'a proposé un film qui passe parce que jamais j'ai trouvé un film en retard moi j'ai une amie Clara je donne un grand respect pour moi à tout les publics quand je vois ce côté un film comme ça je touche pas parce que tous il va croire parce que moi je dors à toi je veux voir le film avant j'ai touche X3 collège parce que toi tu es un symbole à tout les journal je vais l'espèce beaucoup parce que il y en a des critiques mais moi je vois pas les physique parce que tu es un homme le film extraordinaire mais tu es méchante et merci et bon vent pour le chemin qui travaille à toi parce que tu es un film pour 10 jours qui travaille quand tu vois un film tu as démoralisé toutes les grandes respect à moi parce que moi chez Leroy Merlin pour vivre je ne le bonjour tu vas continuer monsieur je continue avec toi tu es pas continuer passe-moi un message parce que tu es mon frère à tous les moments de m'excuser
Refn is nothing compared to Noe
However Noe only exist because of Pusher 1 and La Haine
I feel like they're Bergman and Tarkovsky of this century cinema
Why did I see this, now I don't like Refn :(
You don't like him now? Why?
Enrique Godinez He comes across as arrogant, almost snobbish...hope i am wrong.
Fenil Parekh
Nah he's not I've heard many other interviews from him and he is a guy that apreciattes different types of cinema and has different views.
Refn has always been like that dude
Refn is insufferable