Build it square on the cheap.
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Alright, everyone I am making an impromp to video today and regards to helping you guys build stuff more efficiently and have a better product and a better end resulthanks for joining me. I hope you find this useful. Please like comment and subscribe.#build #square #flat
Like the real world stuff. I know an old timer that can make anything and wouldn’t waste an extra dime on any jig or gizmo. That’s real skill. Keep it up!!!
Certainly demonstrates incredibly well that with the right methods, the old fashioned methods work. However, modern solutions are still developed to make things easier, and create a better result.
Hey, thanks for the comment and the view much appreciated. I hope you have a great day
I agree fixture table systems are fantastic. It’s the best tool that I purchased for my small workshop. All my work is so good now. All my junk just collects in the old table. I will never go back.
You are so right, well said, keep up the great everything you do
This looks like the slow way to build a box frame. Those fixture tables make it look easy. So you have to weld a stop to the table every project? Then grind it off? Fixture tables have the holes to do this faster.
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I watch your videos all the time. Love your comments. Some of us do not have big bucks for fancy cast iron fan tables.
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Good points! Some people still want to apply nasa grade work for a farm gate and that’s just not cost effective. I get sick of people getting all high tech on things that just don’t need to be.
Hey, thanks for your comment much appreciated. I hope you have a great week. Thanks again
You can build it fast and accurate on a fixture table. Thats the point of the tool and video fireball made
You probably should have worn a mask and a cape because you are a superhero, one of my favorite videos yet
I agree with what you said about the fireball video. In this industry if you want more accuracy, you should request it. Of course it costs extra. Im sure the guys "tested" didnt know what kind of standards they were being held to.
You are right on point with that.
Standards that they are being held to? Dimensions and tolerances are clear on the drawing. What do you think they are there for? Shame on them for not having to tools to check the work they did.
@@user-gz6fn2yx9f I guess you don't understand blueprints or tolerances. Not everything is going to outer space. Time is a resource too.
@@derekgreen7319 It’s not for the fabricator to decide to take a shortcut. The 1/8 tolerance he called for isn’t aerospace
@@user-gz6fn2yx9f I don't recall any actual measurements taking place
Welding jigs are a necessity for building things straight, but they are not flawless. The problem is, a welding jig donesn't reduce mechanical stress to zero and it does not measure and report it. A perfectly straight and square thing laying in the jig may turn out to be not so straight and square after being released from it :) Another problem is that even if the geometry if fine, the internal stress is not. For example, a frame like this will likely have a tendency to bend the ribs inside. In that case it requires a thermal post-processing, basically, re-heating the offending welds with acetylene or TIG torch while having a thing you build heavily clamped to the jig. Sometimes even this is not enough and it requires a modified jig that allows to apply opposite deformation forces that overcompensate stresses from these welds during re-heating.
Hey, thanks for the comment and the view. You share a lot of great insights. Thank you
"Runs over it with a forklift" is very specific.😂 I feel like that probably happened to you. There are also cheaper fixture tables on the market or can be built fairly easy.
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i know exactly the video you are talkin about i agree it was an unfair test and the fabricators should have been informed what he was up to that being said he never did disclose what he would have charged for the pieces he had built if your going to invest in the kind of equipment he has there has to be a cost to pay for said equipment wish he would have disclosed what he would have charged for the same pieces
Hey, thanks for your intelligent comment much appreciated. I'm not trying to bust anybody's a**I'm just trying to be real about stuff. I'm hoping that as time permits. I can get more into this and do some more videos explaining my theory. Thank you again.
Why should he have to disclose what it’s for. Just make the weldment to the drawing and everyone is happy. It’s pretty clear instructions.
I cant understand why you dont have more subscribers. You talk and show real life scenarios unlike other CZcamsrs who work under ideal conditions. Keep up the great work.
Hey, thanks for that much appreciated. I guess all I can do is rely on people to share my videos and stuff like that. Thanks again
Cool... but I'd certainly like to see you make the same piece he asked the other shops to make. I am not a metal worker in any way, but I have enjoyed following this drama, and so far - that I have seen - no one who is really upset at the expensive table guy has actually built the exact piece to spec, with their ownb methods and tools, and then shown that it meets those specs.
That could settle all of this. All of the metal people on YT who think he is a tool, or wrong, or whatever... just make the project and show the proof that you met the plans he gave those shops, and show that you did it with your own tools.
Once that has been shown, the debate ends.
Hey thanks for your intelligent comment which appreciated
I agree let’s see someone actually do it. They keep saying that it’s easy without a fixture table but nobody steps up.
@@user-gz6fn2yx9f Sounds great. I appreciate your comment. Let me see what I can do. I'm trying to get out from underneath a bunch of projects right now. But this is something I want to take a deeper dive into also on my end
@@26feironworks79 Take your 2 parts to a machine shop and have them quality control it. That way we can see the true results. Keep track of your time or better yet film the entire process.
I watched the same Fireball tool video. If you think that the test was so easy you should build it and show us how it’s done.
Where's the end product? Weld it up, and show the product is in spec, flat and square. You didn't. You talked shit about the FB guy jason, who did show the results. Hell, you making a show of using the square. But, your square went into the radius of the tubing. That wasnt even an accurate verification.
Jason FB guy is promoting good fixture tables and tools. Take that out of the argument. He hired SIX fab shops make the squares/squares with legs. All six failed to meet a standard in multiple ways. Do you agree there is something wrong when our industry is that unreliable?
You forgot to mention Jason FB guy had an employee with little fabrication experience meet the standard when he used tools that were designed to remove variables. He showed the results.
My impression of your video is that your ego was bruised, and this video is a knee-jerk reaction. That's fine. But, you could have taken the challenge and shown us your results. You didn't.
On a side note: if your defense for not investing in good tools is your employees will steal them, then invest in good employees. Pay more for better quality people. Get cameras and fire the thieves, file charges against them.
Again, this video did nothing to support your argument. You are absolutely right that extra time cuts into profits. But, 2 rejected parts and zero payment cuts into profit more.
I weld/fabricate food/pharma grade stainless products with 1/16" specs, 1/32" flatness and less than 1 degree. My fixture table at work isn't a fixture table. It's a heavy large weld table with holes creating a circle around the center. It's mostly flat. The owner doesn't supply good fixture tools. We're not allowed to weld to the table. Angle iron is slightly warped usually. The result is more time, less profits. And, the welders are blamed. Did I mention it's stainless? The distortion is a constant battle. I actually give a shit about producing a quality build. But, I'm looking at leaving this company because the owners have your mentality.
Hey, thanks for your comment. And I appreciate your time that you took to say what you needed to say. I think I was just kind of disappointed. And I took it personally. Because that made me feel like I was a s***** fabricator.
@@26feironworks79 I totally get that. My employer has made me feel like how you felt after the video. So much to the point I'm leaving this career. Make a response video showing you making the frames meeting the tolerances. Show him it can be done. Run the numbers to show it can be done and be profitable. This video was not a good response or defense. Make one that is.
@@IronCornsurfer Hey, thanks for your response much appreciated. Also, don't leave this industry. Please stay and fight.
I think Jason’s video is trying to help fabricators get the job done easier and better. We need tools to help us. That’s the point of the entire video series. But everyone keeps hating on him. Fixture table systems are the future and are here to stay.
@@user-gz6fn2yx9f I'm not trying to bust anyone's a**I think I was just more frustrated that those fabricators let their product out of the shop in the condition that it was in.
You also loose operating captial buying super expensive tools. Which hurts your ability to buy materials and such
Thanks for your intelligent comment much appreciated
Tools are assets not liabilities. Better tools will always reward the user. Just look in the dump for all the cheap crap made today.