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- Get Surfshark VPN at Surfshark.deals/NERD, Enter promo code NERD for 83% off and one extra month free! Yes, the Netherlands. Holland. The Dutch. It's all more or less the same. But, did you know that the Dutch are responsible for a wide array of fabulous computers. Some massive, some small, but all, INCREDIBLY interesting. It's for that reason, Octav1us and I took a trip to the Home Computer Museum in Helmond (which is in the Netherlands), to see these wonderful creations and to learn how the Dutch do the Computering. Creations include the Compudata Sorcerer, Tulip Computers, the Dai Computer, the Tulip System one and the incredible Aesthedes 2: Good god, what a thing.
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Don't let 8-bit guy in there, with all that yellowing, he'll be retrobriting for a whole year.
Was thinking the same thing! lol
He was there, in a way. I mean Planet X3 was on one of the computers.
@@relo999 true mate
Might be worth it.
LGR wants to come too i guess ; )
Nice to see a tour of this place, what an incredible collection!
I was invited to attend an event there with some other CZcamsrs, but couldn't swing the overseas trip unfortunately. Would love to visit sometime though.
We'll have all the wooden item, sprinkles and toilet emulators ready for your pleasure. Also computers btw.
I was expecting LGR to come here! If it's not for the computers.. maybe stroopwafels could convince you to make the trip??
And that’s not even the biggest pc museum in The Netherlands 😅 but wow!! What a Collection 😍😍😍😍
client from lgr in the house love both this channel and lgr both brings back so many memories growing up with all the old computer tech
Nice to see the Aesthedes2 back again. I used to be one of the lead programmers of it. Still proud of what we made at that time! And by the way: Claessens was indeed a Dutch company, but the Aesthedes2 was made by a Belgian team in their subsidiary in Geel (Belgium).
oh, nice new info! Contact me please, I'd like to know more.
I have worked with the Aesthedes 1 and 2 for 3 years. Still curious if I can work with it.
I used to be responsible for marketing/selling it in the UK (and sometimes demonstrating it, when the proper demonstrator was away) . It was a beautiful product to use. Beautifully designed, perfectly fit for purpose....
@@dragpalace Where was that, Rose? i think I still have some of the demo routines in my head! It was almost totally intuitive..
@@WillowParkAssociatesI worked for the design studio in Hilversum, in the same building where the Aesthedes was developped. Do you remember how sensitive these computers were? I remember that when you touched the computer and you were statically charged, the whole system reset. And when you didn't backupped your file, you could start all over again.
To hell with "reasonable length videos." In a gold mine like this, make multiple videos. Great stuff!
Yes, i would watch even an hours-long video from this place.
The Home Computer Museum has it's own website, check it out.
@Michael O Callaghan Quick quiz (No looking it up): What comes after "Peta" Bytes?
@@JesusisJesus Zeta-Byte?
The Aesthedes computer had a very important role in the advancement of security printing; with it the Dutch state printer SDU designed what would be for many years the world's most advanced banknotes.
douro20
Your still in Holland now, or did you found a real job?
1990, Archimedes was the name of state founding money only!
NOT the ARM Acorn Archimedes.
My School is make the same mistake too, we got the ARM, best choose!
The most awesome thing about the Home Computer Museum that most everything is powered on and ready for you to tinker with. They're really doing a great job.
In the old location there were a couple of displays that showed how much power it took to keep all those computers running. I remember seeing one that said 40 amps at 230V. And that display was only for a small part of the collection.
office computing only!!!!
Few seconds before Nerd said museum is in Netherlands I said to myself "Damn this place looks pretty clean for England".
Protip: The other Helmand is not a nice place to visit. Sunny, though.
As a CAD draftsman and the son of a custom desk maker, I must say, that "SN1483" is LIT! It may be my new grail/unicorn.
His description of it being like Photoshop is wrong, the buttons is mostly for vector work, not bitmap.
@@Seatux What do vector pros use, then? Inkscape?
@@CTimmerman I only know the types of commands from CAD work, don't know anything about vector graphics.
@@CTimmerman Adobe Illustrator
Proud to have been a sponsor of a Philips 2500 and sponsoring the move. Museum is definitly worth a visit.
I'm from the Netherlands so you just gave me a great idea. Will visit ASAP!
YES.
Just my toughts, it's only a 30m drive from my place :D
TheDrunkenMug 30 meters? Barely worth getting in your car for that.
@@JasperJanssen lol, I meant minutes - not meters :D
@Arriaga Two We are savers, not greedy.
This place is awesome and these people are doing an amazing job. Besides having a huge impact on preserving home computer history some of the staff are from social reintegration programs which I think is an awesome way to get people back on their feet. Lots of love,sweat,blood and tears (of joy) go to into this museum and any support is truly appreciated. I still have to check out the new venue, but it looks even more amazing than the previous one.
I like that Roomba, industriously keeping the old folks home clean.
6:31 Doing a interview with a beer in your hand. Bart is a great guy in my book. Forgiven for the bavaria.
Meh... can you really call Bavaria beer?
:)
Should be Hertog Jan, wtf is wrong with him XD
I don't see any beer there.
One hell of product placement! :-D
@@AxeGaijin all beer tastes like crap apart from mexican beer, greetings from the Netherlands.
Father still has a Dutch designed and made/assembled Holborn terminal (with light pen). Sadly the museum he donated the 'mainframe' and spare terminals went to went bust. Holborn were going to do some custom hardware for us to meet some sort of demand, but sadly they went out of business before that could be completed. From the top of my head I can't remember the purpose of that need. The system contained 4, eight inch floppy drives for database storage, and that set duplicated again for backup/ ; so at least 2 washing machine sized boxes were constantly clicking and buzzing away. Because the cables were all run through pipes under concrete and slate floors, dad made a custom switchboard should something go wrong with routing (printers). I can still remember the dot matrix printers screaming for hours when they went through reams of paper. The custom sound isolating sound proof booths my father made for those printers helped, but they only made the sound come down from 'ears are actually bleeding' level to 'my ears only feel like they are bleeding' level. We have no idea were the system is after the museum went dark and we hope it will make it's way into this collection.
Those printers sounded a bit like this: czcams.com/video/no1vf854aUc/video.html
They had very loud belt motors and relais
This is a archive of computing history. Congrats to him. What a treasure! I hope is place is around for long time.
Another Dutch computer museum that is worth visiting is the Bonami Museum in Zwolle. They have an entire warehouse full of old computers and also video game system. And an arcade with working arcade games. Most of the computers are not displayed working though so the museum in Helmond seems more interesting even though it's smaller. I definitely have to check it out one day.
For the #MSX fans:
1:22 (and again at 4:49) there's a Philips #NMS8250 #MSX2
3:23 has a Sony HitBit HB-F700P
4:09 one can spot a Spectravideo SVI-728?
4:59 shows a Panasonic FS-A1GT MSX #turboR, one of the last MSX models commercially produced.
6:33 has a boxed Sanyo MPC-100 (thanks Justadude!) MSX during the interview segment.
Did I miss any other MSX models, or closely related systems?
Spectravideo SVI-328. We have a whole table filled with many MSX models, incl sanyo, jvc and many more.
6:33 Sanyo MPC-100 :))
I went to this museum last year when they were still at the old location (down the street from where they are now) and I can confirm that it's a GREAT place. They have lots of variety in their collection even though the number of Philips computers is a bit high, but that can be expected since Eindhoven is the home town of Philips. Totally recommended!
23:45 Ah, the Philips P2000T, my school computer! So many memories !!!
Currently there are like 3 places like this in the Netherlands. HCM Helmond is the best place to actually use all old home computers. It has a nice size, not too crowded and well presented. You can also grab some nice stuff from the shop where their surplus of donations is sold. VGM Zoetermeer is also very nice, 90% an arcade with all-you-can-play. They still have some old home computers for use. The most amazing collection is at Bonami, but it is so huge, it can be overwhelming, and albeit it may have as much for use as HCM Helmond, you feel lost in an abandoned warehouse all the time. What also makes the HCM nice is the open attitude of the staff, they also do repairs and they are always in for a chat.
Gotta love this Bart guy. I Immediately knew he was the big shot when in the car he told his job at the museum was cleaning toilets. Then a bit further "You think I have any friends". This guy its humor is great. Asides that I will visit this museum soon. It looks absolutely amazing.
Go there!! It is GREAT!!
3:40 I love how they have a Tandy 1000 with Planet X3. It already belongs in a museum!
Love that the best part of this video is Octav1us' in the background love that you two got each other's backs.. good to see friends helping each other out
I'm from Eindhoven and will definitely be paying a visit..love this video
Next time you are in the Netherlands, don't forget to visit the Game Museum in Zoetermeer. It's awesome.
There is also a video game museum in Zwolle
@@Mrstickz don't touch! :P
TotallyNotARussianBot its fun but not necessarily special
Visit the Pianola museum in Amsterdam. Some of the 19th century so-called 'reproduction pianos' make modern day MIDI instruments look awfully primitive by comparison!
Also the Techniek Museum in Delft.
Too bad the Evoluon museum in Eindhoven is gone.
Please excuse the janky naming conventions I made whilst wandering about. THE EXCITEMENT WAS TOO GREAT. For example, that 'detached keyboard' version of the 'ST' is clearly better known as a 'Mega ST'.
Please do check out the Home Computer Museum CZcams channel. Bart posts a lot of updates and vlogs on there, mostly in English, which are all pretty interesting: czcams.com/users/homecomputermuseum. If you want some Dutch Sprinkles, then nnerd.me/sprinkles ;)
Unfortunately no sprinkels at the link you provided. Try De Ruijter Hagelslag on Amazon and you will find your sprinkles bliss.
Edit: it will be a lot cheaper getting it a Dutch supermarket though.
PLEASE do more videos on this place.
I'd love to build a similar museum here in Australia, so the only way I can see this place is vicariously through your lens.
Thanks mate!
Why does the dutch sprinkles page lead to a german amazon page of blankets?
@@TheSkypetube Peter thinks that's funny I suppose.
Proper link to the Dutch Sprinkles: www.amazon.de/s?k=de+ruijter+streusel&__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&crid=3TDZ7I37HVU5H&sprefix=de+ruij%2Caps%2C153&ref=nb_sb_ss_organic-pltr-v2_3_7
Or from an actual Dutch site in English, which means I take it they also deliver outside of the Netherlands: www.hollandshop24.com/sprinkles-dutch-hagelslag_1
Never undermine the importance of clean toilets. Thank you for your service.
(@DrunkenPumpkins, you know who you are) Yes he's the founder of the museum, I figured that much. My comment was just to respond to his humorous remark. Do I need to explain any other obvious fact? Or does everything have to be matter of fact? Smh
I judge many places by the quality of their toilets, especially pubs and restaurants. If the toilets are sub-par, then what's the food like?
yeah, it's the first thing anyone should check in any establishment -- a well-known service industry "insider tip"/
19:25 - We used to use those pucks with AudoCAD back in the DOS and Windows 3 days. Also, that vinyl cutter reminds me of the drum-plotter (and by extension, the flatbed plotter) we'd use to print out CAD schematics. Good times.
16:48 That looks like a SASI interface, which is pretty much compatible with SCSI-1, try using an SCSI2SD emulating a low capacity hard drive with no parity check, works for the Sharp X68000 that also has SASI I/O.
Raúl Cortés
SASI, predecessor of the SCSI SAS , only the protocol was able to exchange, able to do that on a variety of interfaces.
connectors, apple always did set the standards here.
Philips did a good thing, Tulip too, breaking the IBM dominantly by law, old boys networks...
Why are people not understanding that here?
UK people need to go to the US more often, sprinkles, try Lucky Charm on bread!
Love your location shoots with oktav1us, you guys are always so genuinely excited to show us these delightful places!
It's crzy getting to see different versions of computers you neverwise might have never knon about. Keep up the good work!
Lmao I'm stealing the word "neverwise"
I started programming on my friend's Philips P2000. Our first family computer was that Tulip PC Compact 2 that you can see in this video. These were used in our fancy computer lab at school as well. Man that takes me back. Even the very particular smell of of the machine running comes back to memory 😬 it is p probably 1 hour by car, so i'll definitely hop by in due time.
I’ve been there in 2018 (their first Year) and I loved it. It isn’t just a look museum, but you can play with all machine’s. Going back this year !
Ah Dutch computer glory at it's best. Thank you for covering !
This museum looks like a library of awesome, weird and forgotten tech.
My dad worked for Exidy back in the days of the Sorcerer. The ROM-PAK cartridges that slotted in the side of the computer were circuit boards in 8-Track tape cartridges. I spent a lot of time typing BASIC programs. It was great seeing one of those computers again.
I remember my dad describing Windows to me. I pictured the screen split up into a 4x3 grid of high res DOS prompts.
That shot of IBM'S Alley Cat just gave me goose bumbs...
Dutch sprinklings "Hagel Slaag" . I've loved that stuff since i was a kid!!!!!!
Haven't had any since I was a kid, my nan used to bring it back when she visited the Netherlands.
*Hagelslag
'hagel slaag' means hail beating.
@@JopieHaargel Sorry i'm British. I have never been good at spelling Dutch 🤦
Thats easy, try 'gestampte muisjes"
I used to have two of these very old computers at home in my garage, the strange thing is they are both gone now but I still have all the tapes and documentation.
I think my mom brought them to De Jonge Onderzoekers Groningen over ten years ago, but she says she does not remember :(
and the extra cartridges as well that go into the back...
Been to the museum last year at the old place, and it is amazing. Don’t know if Bart still does tours, but if he does, it is worth it. He knows so much stuff about the systems in there. Going again this year to see the new place.
Yes, we still do tours. It's about 3 hours of background information...:)
Loved it! Thank you for this video! Kudos to the nostalgia nerds of Netherlands that made this museum a reality! I will definitely visit it.
Go there, George! You will NOT be disappointed!
@@WillowParkAssociates thank you Sir, I will surely do!
Nice video! I've worked with several of the machines shown in the video. I started of with ZX Spectrum and then moved on to Commodere pc's. We had IBM's and Philips pc's in school, i had one of the 'portbale' Philips machine and worked on Tulips, early laptops and so on. Strangely enough I've never visited this museum. Must do sometime.
Your production values keep getting better and better!! This is amazing.
This place looks amazing.
I visited this museum today, it was awesome!
It's been changed since this video, more computers are working ;)
I'm absolutely amazed at how much computers, and the internet evolved in such a short amount of time.
I'm extremely appreciative of it to as a musician, because it helped out tools evolve as well. Computers just make everything so much easier which allows us to be even more creative. And I'm more of a hybrid producer who used software and hardware tools. People get into the debate of one or the other, I personally enjoy the best of both worlds.
11:25 - first computer I ever 'played on'. Towers of Hanoi. Friends Dad had brought it home from work in 1981. Colours, graphics, sound... I got a ZX81 soon after, it had none of that fancy stuff :)
I think I visited their old location like a year ago, was a very fun experience!
Dank je wel voor het delen. Ik ga het museum zeker een keer bezoeken!
Thanks you guys for this awesome video. I now know my next travel destination.
Love your channel
Wonderful systems there! Love that "design" computer! Wow at the number of CPUs in there! I can imagine servicing it would be a nightmare!
Sounds like your cup of thee 😄
GadgetUK164 - Retro Gaming Repairs & Mods
Old Office crap,nightmare! Yeah!!!
Back in 1981, I think, I went to a computer fair in Leeuwarden. They demonstrated the DAI overthere. I still remember that, so it must have made quite an impression. But I didn’t know it was a Belgian brand. This is a wonderful museum! I must visit it some time!
This is literally 5 miles from me and I had no idea they were there.
Going to check them out soon!
OverSoft You mean kilometers in non-retarded units ;)
@@HelloSwiftful Miles are objectively better though.
@@drunkenpumpkins7401 in no way, shape or form.
@@ApemanMonkey yeah, yeah, fuck off with your French bullshit and remember who saved your asses during World War 2.
2:17 the one on the end is a Panasonic panavision I had one when I was a kid with the sound adapter and a speech to text program
Great part on the DAI, love it!
Nice to see the Radio Shack Model 16. Mine still works. The best feature of this museum is that the computers are running. That gives a real feel for what the industry was like in the beginning.
@7:46 I think I spotted a Commodore 8032-SK 'Porsche' PET?
What a beauty!
I learned BASIC on a normal PET... never saw that sleek beauty!
I can hear your Brabant accent Bart, even disguised as English! Greets from the west, aka Zuid-Holland!
I'll be dropping your fancy museum a visit any time now
Wow! Such a wonderful place. Putting this on my todo list.
Looks like that was a great trip with fun had by all! Also, 25:55! LMAO! I may have to become a Patron just to see more of that part of the trip!
Amazing place!
Thank you for tour! :)
Been there once and what an amazing museum! Going back soon
True story- when i lived in Amsterdam I also tried carrying a PC home on my bike once- against the advice of my Dutch friends :/ It ended up spread across Herengracht while I tried to pull out the spoke which had gone through my knee...
Woop woop ... Action in my birth town. Feel an urge to visit the museum now. Thanks for this vid and for all others for the matter of fact !
Wow, what a place, brings me back to my younger years, when I was fooling around with my first computers... A friend owned a Tandy TRS-80, my dad had a LASER XT machine, with an orange monochrome "hercules" display. Later on I bought my first own PC, a LASER AT (80286 processor) with a VGA graphics card and a 256 color monitor, of which I was very proud then as my friends only had 16 colors...
Me and my friends were running DR-DOS at the time, and there was a bit of competition going on to tweak the config.sys to free up as much RAM as possible (from the available 1 MB there was in the machine)...
5:14 i still use these speakers! They still sound just fine even while listening music.
Thanks for this nice video. And Bart thanks for the nice museum. Enjoyed it both.
VERY WOW, i honestly did not expect you to go there, i was planning to go there this year, and yes i'm from the netherlands, but not in Helmond
gr8 m8
Gracht macht?
Back in 1995, I took a tour of a super computer center in Southern California. Which was an extension of Pixar. And along with the multiple rooms of servers, they had a computer with a giant panel interface that looked similar to that Aesthedes panel. At the time, I was in 6th grade and wasn't taking in much besides "wow, big rooms and huge monitors!" So I can't confirm if the thing I saw was an actual Aesthedes machine. Maybe they told us, but I don't know. But the minute I saw this hulking machine, I was reminded of that machine I saw back then. They also showed us the famous dancing baby and lamp films. This was before Toy Story came out so most of us had no idea what Pixar was.
04:07 DAI Personal Computer a very interesting machine, great sound and graphics, advanced in those times! Nice place to travel, some day...
Awesome. Also Jamaican ‘piece de resistance at 3:41 🤣
Ahhh, around 1:45 - Tandy TRS-80, may dad had one and I actually wrote my first programs on that one. Nostalgia indeed!
Amazing. A period-specific European pendant to the Computer History Museum in Mountain View. Kudos to the team behind this massive labor of love, I hope to visit next time in the Netherlands..
I suspect one factor for Exidy's computer not doing well here in the US might have been because they were previously under fire for their 1976 Death Race arcade game being deemed immoral and violent. They probably also didn't have the advertising reach or budget that Commodore, TI, or Apple had either. But the funniest thing about that is it was only a few years later that they made Chiller which makes Death Race look like some quaint little programming exercise by a bedroom coder.
A trip to the Netherlands is never a bad thing :)
I never knew that the museum existed and shall be popping by for a day of joy asap. That Aesthedes 2 though!!!! Mother of the gods - I'd have that beauty setup in my frontroom.
Glad that you and your missus had a nice stay in the old country.....Awesome upload man! Thankyou :)
"Because that was the most beautiful machine I've ever seen. Amiga 600"
I've born into Amiga 500 but take my like friend. Amiga really was something else.
I live in the south in US and am contemplating a trip to the Netherlands with this being one of the main attractions to visit =)
let us know ;) for a tour
@Ad Lockhorst true Efteling is of hi quality like disney
Awesome! Helmond finally has something that makes that town worth visiting! ;)
WOW! At 8:48 a *Maze-A-Tron!* Mom got one of those for Christmas in 1979. I have not seen one since we wore it out in the early 80s. We loved that game.😁
Cool. I have this and probably 100 other LED games, 200 VFD games and 100 LCD games. The museum has a few, maybe I should collaberate.
DAI computers are so rare that I, as a Belgian, wasn't even aware it ever existed.
I need to come north and visit sometime. Great stuff.
Amazing collection
I used to operate that big Aesthedes computer back in the early 1990s
13:11 PRINT ""FUCK"
13:11 PRINT "YOU"
LOL, the power of Bavaria beer.
Hopefully there's a Sord M5 in there somewhere...honestly mate, this is amazing. Especially that CAD system...it'll be good to see that up and running again.
Really cool video. I wasn't going to go, but it's actually really awesome. Thanks!
Great video ! The background music kicks ass ! X🤘🏻X
That really look amazing! we are established in the Netheralnds as well. We think it's worth while to visit this computer museum!
NIce video! I am from the Netherlands but haven't yet visited this museum. I like to see the Tulip computers, i grew up with them. At scool i used the exidy sorcerer as a learning computer. Also the Micro Professor was a dutch machine (hint for video). Thanks for uploading, greetings from Holland.
Great video! Now have even more of a reason to visit the Netherlands.
14:35 That cassette stand. 😂 Priceless.
I have one like that. Was thinking of throwing it in the bin when I moved a few years ago but didn't. I did throw away a lot of old floppy disks and I regret that now because they are hard to find. The last 3.5" disks were made in 2011.🙁
Wow, i saw a Tulip PC Compact 2 there. That was our actual first PC. Warm memories.
Was hoping to see some obscure Phillips computer, and sure there were one. The Aesthedes was really something special, I have to schedule a trip to Holland next year
The fact that places like this exist makes me happy :)
17:00 Haha, yeah we are definitely into breakfast. Be it sprinkles, peanut butter, deli stuff, Nutella, etc. The aisles are filled with them over here, including all the stuff to put it on.
Wowww..it's a paradise! I love retrocomputer!
Great video!!! I'll be driving down to Helmond! :)
Ace video, great to see you and and Octav1us up to mischief! TOUCH ALL THE THINGS TO MAKE THEM YOURS. :D
props to your cameraman. paralized from waist up and still at work. great job !!
Wait a minute, we have cool stuff in Netherlands. Nice info for next weekend trip! Thanks.