The True Story Of WWE's Curtain Call
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- As they prepared to leave WWE for WCW, Diesel and Razor Ramon embraced with kliq pals Triple H and Shawn Michaels in Madison Square Garden in one of the most imfamous moments in professional wrestling history. This is The True Story Of WWE's Curtain Call.
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Maybe the greatest “butterfly effect” in wrestling history
In a short term maybe
@@SheanWalsh46nope it caused Austin to win the 96 KoTR also Keyfabe got broke its really important to the business
@@SheanWalsh46 It was one the catalysts that led to the attitude era so-
The beginning of “kayfabe may be dead but don’t spit on its grave”
In a weird way that was the best thing to happen cause triple h was not liked backstage and he dealt the punishment and he gained everyone's respect
And it also allowed for Austin to get a push and become the hottest star in wrestling
after this, the following year came montreal did he gain respect then
You were there backstage? Cool
That is so not true 😂
@@christopherhinojosa220It’s true, I was the janitor.
Dam HHH reminding them all of the curtain call, because he's always been there sober driver, gives even more contexts to how he's always been a social climber, making moves knowing what's beneficial and destructive to others careers. A cerebral assassin for sure.
A major league opportunist & D-Bag more like it!
@@like2seeit86 I wasn't praising him.
@@miguelgarza2573 I got you!
Triple h reminds me of JFK it's like dude up there said it's a f****** dirtbag but hey it's all part of the family
RIP Scott Hall "Bad times don't last, But Bad Guys Do"
Its crazy to think the founders of the nwo and dx were in the ring at the same time...its too bad we never got to see Hall and Nash vs HBK and Triple H
Sadly, when they were in the same promotion they were nowhere near as relevant, except for Shawn Michael's.
When DX and NWO were at their respective peaks they were in different promotions.
When DX and the NWO as factions were both in the same promotion they were all in bad to terrible shape, with the exception of Shawn.
No need to explain Nash and Hall, and HHH had on too much weight, lowering his speed and physicality.
It's a definite dream match, one of the biggest of all time.
Hhh was the least relevant during 95-96
@@tyrone5969 Triple H was in bad shape? When, when he was 4, or after his heart attack? Because he wasn't in between.
People always love to point out how HHH was always handed everything he had but rarely mentioned the professional work ethic he have he took all the blame for the Curtain Call he never complained and got back to the top , people crucified him for his marriage and backstage politics ( and he did questionable things don’t get me wrong) he took the heat and continue to move he found NXT and have seen His own father in law destroying relentlessly everything he build but still stayed loyal and ready do you everything for his company . A super pro honnestly
What was there to complain about.
Not sure what was his punishment,
Curtain call in May
IC title by October
No people do not ALWAYS!, Please speak for yourself, your a spokesperson for no one
You guys really need to work on spelling and grammar. It's like trying to read jibberish written by a 1 year old.
@@jeffbudd7678 it’s a CZcams comment about wrestling
It’s not that serious 🚽
@@kcole3937 No, he's correct. Ninety percent of the time I read a comment in a public forum, I feel like that person didn't even make it past fourth grade English. People's spelling and grammar is a tell tale sign of their education, or lack there of. The spelling and grammar of many is embarrassing to read most of the time. A lack of education usually can not produce a constructive conversation. With a lack of education, you have to question someone's relevancy on a topic.
So if you think about it, HHH really did do what's best for business - because if he hadn't been buried for a year, Stone Cold may not have got the push he did. So when people complain about HHH being selfish during the Reign of Terror post 2002, just consider that he may have earnt that karma from his previous actions.
Not really, no.
Because he inadvertently made Austin the biggest star in history? I guarantee you he still shouts at himself in the mirror.
The moment that changed the wrestling world, by making Austin King of the Ring and starting Austin 3:16
That was a truly incredible video, Jack!! Thank you to everyone at Cultaholic!!
I need my "I Was At The Curtain Call" MSG WWE T Shirt! That was insane back on May 19, 1996.
Always wondered how things would have been if Shawn went to WCW instead of Bret the year following this.
Keep up the great content, lads.
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Vince wasn't upset because he already had heat from "sports entertainment" promo
The only thing I never understood is, if WWE has pro shoot footage of the event that night, why do they keep showing the grainy footage of the incident?
I will say, being there in person, was definitely a surprise seeing the good guys and bad guys in the ring at the same time. Was like, yeah probably talking about grabbing some beers after the show 🤣
I still think it's hilarious that this gets the blame for "killing kayfabe" when wcw had Robocop show up 2 years earlier.
Briscoe upset... understandable
Cornett upset?... considering his way of life yes, fuck yes.
I found his channel a couple months ago, and his podcasts are absolutely hilarious.
Aside from money another reason I heard Hall left was he felt he hit a glass ceiling and wouldn't get the world title
Hall also got fewer days on the road. More money, fewer days on the road, where can a person go wrong? It is a shame too, Hall really wanted to stay with WWE, but, Vince would not work with him. But, in the end, it was the best thing to happen.
Fantastic video Jack.
Not surprised that Cornette and Prichard damn near popped blood vessels at the Curtain Call.
If Stone Cold didn't give that promo and HHH started his push that year I can't imagine how different this industry would be.
Not having a promo that inspired more his "Stone Cold" character which brought more merchandise sales than any quote and character in history would've made things a lot different.
It's difficult to say that HHH's career would've turned out the same when there's a very real chance that the industry would be completely different, including the possibility of WCW winning the Monday Night Wars.
Can't imagine what that alternate time line would look like.
Actually I think it would have been the same. I don't think triple h would have gotten that more edgier like Stone Cold Steve Austin got in 1996 to 97. Triple h with a still been in the mid card while Stone Cold became a main eventer. Steve Austin would have had the backing of Vince Russo and Jim Ross.
@@attiepollard7847 I agree.. Stone Cold was gonna be Stone cold. No stopping that wave
I think Austin would still find a way to the top. Also Bret Hart wanted to work with him since watching him in WCW. Maybe we don't get the phrase "Austin 3:16", but Stone Cold would still get to feud with Bret Hart and the double turn happens.
Remember after it all happened hhh took the most heat hbk couldn’t be touch cuz he was the top baby face and he pretty much had to carry the wwe Bret hart was on Hiatus so that’s another reason why they couldn’t do anything to hbk. But since time where different back then lots of people didn’t know Scott hall and Kevin Nash where leaving to go to wcw till the last minute
If Vince wasn't determined not to do things the oldschool way, HBK would've been stripped of the title and been doing hog pen matches right along side HHH.
Austin was already gaining popularity at a large rate with or without the King of the Ring. 3:16 promo or not he was on FIRE at the time.
Alternate universe where Austin broke Kayfabe;
Helmsley 3:16 says I just politicked your ass.
This story just makes Vince seem spineless to me. Maybe he didn't endorse that thing, but he had to know what was going on and he just sat there. No attempt to stop Hunter from going out there.
Then he gets an ear full and rather than saying "This thing is on me I let it slide" he s***s on a young talent for a year to deflect blame in himself.
The right thing to do is to say that he could have stopped it, but didn't and anyone who has a problem with that can come to me and say so. To sh** on Hunter is so weak.
You needed a sacrificial lamb and to shut up the agents and the boys back in the locker room triple h had to be that sacrificial lamb. Now Vince came out and say if y'all got a problem with it come and see me then the boys some of them would have walked out on the company and you can't have that in a time of competition
It's like when you find out Santa Claus isn't real. You're like, "so what, the presents are real"
Very insightful.
I think stone cold still would have made it there because the pieces were already in place of him altering from the ring master to stone cold. yes we would not have the iconic line, But who's to say that the timeline doesn't just switch cause if stone cold keeps the same momentum the trajectory that he was on originally. The line on the other hand more than likely wouldn't exsist cause if I remember correctly Jake Robert's didn't last much longer in 96. Also I believe the most definitive moment in stone cold's career is the submission match. That one match is what made everybody want to really watch him, and gave us the anti-hero.
Watching this on my Lunch break at work
I didn't even have internet in 1996 and I still knew they where leaving.
Jack the Throbber story time is my favorite time of day
HHH really got over in 1997 because of Chyna. His gimmick back in 1996 was no better than Bob Holly’s Nascar gimmick.
Yes it was. Who the hell looks at nascar anyway
IT'S TIME TO PLAY THE GAME...❤THAT INTRO
Vince couldnt punish the Windbreak Kid Shawn Michaels. He would have lost his smile and gone home.......again!
On the next episode of Dark side of the ring Confirmed.
As childish as The Kliq could be, for McMahon to punish one guy and not tell his company that the fallout is his own fault for not disallowing it, is even more childish.
No no no. The wrestlers backstage would have seen through that fakeness if he would have took ownership for it. But someone had to be the sacrificial lamb so triple h had to be that sacrificial lamb for that curtain call. If you did not punish somebody the locker room would have revolted and walked out on Vince. That's the way of business world
Triple H was a great wrestler. Even pushed to the bottom of the card i think he would have found his way back to the top regardless. And the same goes for Steve Austin, one the best of all times. Maybe his rise would have been a little slower but it's unthinkable to me that he wouldn't have had the success he had just by missing a single title win
The Austin 3:16... It was the perfect storm...Jake was preaching 3:16... Never would have happened without Jake
Isn't everything scripted ? Triple H rise was probably scripted.
Vince reacted to "the curtain call" like Will Smith at the Oscars. 😅😲😳😡
I don't think austin not winning the king of the ring made it difficult for him climbing the top of the mountain. It was his feud with bret hart and that face turn at wrestlemania 13 that made him the star. The question is, how would his career had turned out if michaels hadn't lost his smile, because michaels was supposed to face bret at that mania.
Attitude today? That's like saying Mickey Mouse said Hot Dog Hot Dog Hot Diggity Dog and raised the eyebrow of 1 sponsor.
If he didn't get punished there would be no stone cold
I still think they would have been a Stone Cold Steve Austin remember triple h's character back then was still the blue blood and I don't think triple h back then have Vincent man's ear when it comes to creativity of characters.
I think Steve Austin would have still made his case to Vince that his current ring Master character sucks and it needs to change so let him go out and say what he want to say but be careful what he says because during that time we were still in a family stage of WWE
Bro… probably the best thing to ever happen to WWE 🤝🏽 Stone cold saved them in the Monday night wars
Great stuff
'Helmsley didn't drink'
Makes sense
Most psychopaths keep their mind clear.
HHH can't ever let anyone see him vulnerable lol. He's such an egomaniac
Although I had known about curtain call incident & the fact HHH was slated to win 96 royal rumble & not Austin.. it never strike me that had there not been this incident there would not have been Austin 3:16 T Shirts 😅
Month goes before the day.
RIP Scott Hall
I didn’t know the curtain call was on my birthday
good video
Please do a video on Dolphins1925. Jack or Sam. I've seen Wrestlelamia's take on it. Now, 1 of you guys has to.
I can’t say I feel bad that Triple H was punished. The Kliq were bullies to most if not everyone in the locker room, and they clearly had far more power and influence than they should have. So I’m glad at least one of them got taken down a notch. Even though it didn’t do much to hinder Triple H’s career as he proved in the following years.
You people complain about the click but didn't Mark calloway along with fatu have the backstage crew who was the counter to the kliq?
I never said there wasn’t, but that doesn’t change the fact that some of the wrestlers ran a foul of the kliq and some of them were unfairly punished for it. It’s almost as if the Kliq were in charge of who would be a big star or not instead Mcmahon and other people.
@@attiepollard7847 bsk= bone street krew... they played dominos together.
@@konahrikbolin8359 tell me during this time. Exactly who was supposed to be a bigger star than the kliq? There was hardly anyone there to be that bigger star. I mean you had to undertaker but he barely even wanted the belt, you have bulldog but he was on drugs too much and come on being suspended and you had on Owen heart who didn't even want the damn belt who was offered it. So exactly between 1994 to 1995 who should have gotten to be on top of the WWE because I can't see anyone other than HBK, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall.
I won’t argue with that. I’m content that at least one kliq member got received some form of punishment. Not that it was much or mattered in the future. I also just recently learned of The Bone Street Crew that Taker was part of by watching Phenom the Undertaker Story by WRESTLE WITH ANDY. So I’m also glad to know there was another group that could help try and keep the kliq from going too far. I don’t hate the kliq though. Even though it seems like I do from of the way I’m speaking of them. I do think they were great stars back then. They’re all Hall of Famers, and that’s all the proof people need of that. And speaking of the kliq, R.I.P. Scott Hall.
Yeah I would say fathering some of Vince’s grandkids helped a little too
thanks!
I still think at some point Austin would have still be one of the GOATs just would have went in a different path
And Triple H would get his revenge for that punishment. When all his top dog buddies were gone, he cheated on his Fiancé, Chyna and destroyed her life, marrying the boss’ Daughter, who was also Creative Head at that time, and got the Roman Reigns treatment. And ratings dropped from the previous heights. Because without using other people, he would’ve forever been upper mid-card.
Excellent video Jack I believe HHH is still being punished for the curtain call this very day
It may well look like it but I think he's being punished because Vince McMahon feels threatened by triple h. Vinnie Mack is thinking it in his own head "what are these people so interested in NXT and developmental promotion for?" Why can't people like my big guy wrestlers and why do they love this independent wrestling thing so damn much", I got to get rid of my son-in-law because they talking about him becoming the next owner. That's what Vince is thinking
11:54 (Brother Love)
All things happen for a reason 😂😂
I refuse to believe either Michaels or HHH really told Vince what they wanted to do,I mean that he grasped it. They probably did what teenagers throughout time have done. Caught there mom or dad busy with something or distracted and asked to borrow the car and the parent was like "Yeah Yeah Yeah Whatever" so they could say But I Had Permission. There is no way Vince would have agreed to that,especially in Madison Square Garden. What that building meant to his Father? And to him also but really his Father. His Father's last words to him were"Cherish The Garden". That conversation Michaels said they had after that is just horsesh*t.
I think you got to go back and look at Vincent man's interview he doesn't like the term pro wrestling or wrestling in general he's trying to get away from that old school mentality that's why he likes sports entertainment better. But at the same time the boys back then did kind of held him back from being ahead of his time and wanted to keep it traditional that's why he got so much heat from the old school in the locker room.
how would you or anyone other than those two know stop chatting shit
Wait did Jack just call Marc Mero, Marc Miro? It's definitely not pronounced Me-row.
Classic
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They were right to do what they did. At that point, even kids knew it was all a show. Essentially what they did was like the whole cast bow at the end of a Broadway show. That's how it was taken by anyone with a brain. The people who got mad are like batman when joker says why so serious? Just way over the top serious.
It was only in the early 90's and such that kids thought it was real, cause the performance was more realistic by a mile than all the over the top non sense that clearly wouldn't even hurt a fly they were doing and still doing now.
I think you overestimate how "in-the-know" people were back then.
You're not kidding, looking back at early the early 96/late 95 roster. They lost almost every 80s single star to wcw, and had to use outside talent to fill out the royal rumble. The main event scene was incredibly small without hall and Nash. Sure Hall was more of upper mid card he could easily slide in to the main event like working a previous rumble with Bret or even his survivor series debut teaming with flair. Bringing in Warrior didn't help things, Vader was so misused that after summer slam he was out of the main event
Edit: although I still loved the new generation as a kid, especially when razor and diesel were still there
Yeah, what about Steve Austin? Things happen for a reason and I don't think Austin would have ever caught fire had this not happened and we'd be talking about HHH and The Rock instead of Austin.
Yes he would have caught fire. KOTH was Austin 316 mark but Bert Hart is the real reason Austin was red-hot
may 19 is this what stated kane see no evil madness
odd background noise in this video?
How you book Jerry Lawler over Razor Ramon?
It's a shame 123 kid and Aldo Montoya weren't there for the curtain call as the kliq is 6 people not 4. At very least kid should have been there.
Are you kidding me? Aldo Montoya? If he had any passion for the business he would have stuck around with the kliq and become more closely associated with them and he has no personality even when he was just incredible in ECW
Lol Aldo was the jabroni carry everyone bags from town to town.
Vince is in charge why does he cares what anyojelse thinks. To think in 18 months Shawn and hunter would play the curtain call footage live on raw and not only were they not punished by the end of the year hhh was European champion and hbk was world championm
Warrior vs Owen sounds like such a waste.
Curtain Hall killed Kayfabe forever
It’s hilarious that after Vince himself was the one who SHATTERED kayfabe publicly and intentionally. He then gets p***y when others do it.
No more kayfabe😭
video starts at 9:38 ........
Really
Even though I loved Hall and Nash growing up, that was some a$$hole sh1t to do honestly. I couldn’t stand Shawn Michaels though.
Yeah right l. You would have done the same thing on your way out with your boys
It also birthed Triple H instead of Hunter Hurst Helmsley. . Remember when Stone Cold was the Taskmaster? Whoever came up with those 2 shitty characters should have been fired.
it was before the Attitude era, when alot of goofy gimmicks were still flying around
Triple h got punished cause of the curtain call
True story was no one really give a shit because very few saw it, WWE dealt with it in house then people pissed and moaned about it years after.
You gotta like how Kevin Trash still does the kilque gesture as he never cared!
Seriously? He was called Syxx cuz he was the 6th member of nwo...
Technically he was the seventh to debut in the nwo...it went Hall, Nash, Hogan, DiBiase, the Giant, fake Sting, then Syxx...
1-2-3 = 6
@@craigbiggam2111 /confidentlyincorrect
Incorrect!
@@craigbiggam2111 but that's -4 tho 🤔
clasisic
I always thought Austin 3:16 was an actual bible verse.
What's all blabbering about this crap??
Wth is Kayfabe?
It's the term used to describe the illusion of pro wrestling. The wrestlers "protecting the business" mostly by staying in character, in and outside the ring.
Ghh
Did this really need to be a 16 minute discussion? I mean, just get to the fucking point.
Yes because it's a story behind this event
Is there anything new in here?
its reaching montreal screwjob/invasion angle levels now. I love these guys and will typically watch anything they put out, but yeah the curtain call can be put to bed any time now