The Formula that Built STAR WARS

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  • @johnmorey720
    @johnmorey720 Před 3 lety +13

    I always appreciated how Star Wars managed to avoid being '70s sci-fi. it was made in the '70s, but it dodged the weirdness that would have left it extremely dated.
    Alien had a similar thing going on - there were ideas written down that would have made it very '70s, but were cut from the script to instead produce something made in the 1970s, but not horribly dated to that time period.

  • @BrianGeers
    @BrianGeers Před 3 lety +3

    One thing I really appreciate about Star Wars (aside from it being Star Wars) is that it got me into Akira Kurosawa. The Hidden Fortress not just shows the “prototypes” for Obi-Wan, Leia, and Threepio and Artoo, but also uses the wipes, dissolves, and other transitions that someone who’s watched ANH too many times will find very familiar.

  • @williamkovatch3427
    @williamkovatch3427 Před 3 lety +4

    Fantastic! You, sir, are extremely well read in your George Lucas lore. The other influence I would have mentioned “The Hidden Fortress,” the specific Japanese samurai film that influenced the two bureaucrats wandering through the wilderness to save a Princess plot. When I was planning surgery and a long hospital stay about 15 years ago, when Netflix still sent you actual DVDs, I rented The Dam Busters, The Hidden Fortress and other influences on George Lucas just to get an appreciation of his creative process. It was also a blast looking forward his original treatment and prior scripts. I highly recommend “The Annotated Screenplay of Star Wars,” which goes into prior drafts and shows the evolution of ideas to what we finally got on screen. Love your channel!

  • @DEATH2thaSTUpid
    @DEATH2thaSTUpid Před 3 lety +3

    I had watched the academy awards in 1976 and my father said..lets see Star Wars...I thought boring...holy crap..my dad watched Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon. This the real deal and then he saw the trailer for episode 1 before he died..he loved it..the look on his face

  • @andrewgrant2990
    @andrewgrant2990 Před 3 lety +1

    A true gentleman who gives a shout-out to other channels- way to go! Great video sir!

  • @ShatteredTrousers
    @ShatteredTrousers Před 3 lety +5

    You get a 'like' just for saying 'Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets' was better than the critics say. That opening sequence, a potted history of the entire history of space travel up to the 28th century, is simply magnificent!

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety +4

      I don’t get why people were so hard on this film!

    • @marcmcfinn7470
      @marcmcfinn7470 Před 3 lety +2

      @@spectorcreative1872 It was frustratingly close to being a masterpiece. The leads just weren't believable in those roles. As I was watching it, I found myself wishing there could have been a French version with French actors shot simultaneously with the American version.

    • @evanlindsey1100
      @evanlindsey1100 Před 3 lety +1

      It was a good science fiction film, but not a good Valerian and Laureline film.

    • @marcmcfinn7470
      @marcmcfinn7470 Před 3 lety +2

      @@evanlindsey1100 The science fiction parts were breathtaking (like that opening sequence). That's why I think a version with more appropriate leads could be a completely different viewing experience.

    • @evanlindsey1100
      @evanlindsey1100 Před 3 lety +1

      Marc McFinn-- that's my opinion exactly. If they had cast a more appropriate Valerian and Laureline, it would have been a good, if not great Valerian and Laureline film. Strangely enough, in the late 00's, there was a Franco-Japanese animation project called Valerian and Laureline: Time Jam that, while having an original story that had little to do with the source material, the characters of Valerian and Laureline were very close to the comic. I felt that not only were characters miscast, they felt like weren't written correctly. There were little niggling things that were off, and detracted from the story.

  • @Canoby
    @Canoby Před 3 lety +2

    I work at a childrens' hospital and we have a couple of Ep7 giant First Order Stormtroopers decorating a few spots- I think you might have worked on those Scott. I still kick myself on not picking up one myself

  • @manjiimortal
    @manjiimortal Před 3 lety +1

    I now totally get your point about The Dam Busters, and why the whole Death Star Trench Run makes no sense when you try to look at it from a "Battle in the Vacuum of Space" standpoint, but it sure makes sense when you consider where it's inspiration came from, so thanks for that.
    As mentioned below, from a narrative standpoint Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress is a major inspiration for the first film, and I'll also throw the correction that the Jedi are inspired by the IDEALIZED portray of Samurai that started showing up on War Tales and folklore during the Edo period (a time where the warrior caste had lost its purpose, due to the iron grip of control the Tokugawa Shogunate had over Japan, and the peace it had installed), as Bushō and Bushi previously didn't really resemble the noble and loyal figures that we associate with Samurai. Actually, they were in many cases the exact opposite.

  • @ZeroAnalogy
    @ZeroAnalogy Před 3 lety +4

    I've recently noticed that unlike other content creators, I often rewatch some of the Spector Creative toy related videos, not just once, but twice. I must be wanting to fully absorb the information.

  • @brushstroke3733
    @brushstroke3733 Před 3 lety +1

    Great job with the side by side comparison shots!

  • @jamesjustice4515
    @jamesjustice4515 Před 3 lety +2

    Hey. Spector. This is sledgemaster. Here to hear more history and knowledge

  • @BadAssXerx3
    @BadAssXerx3 Před 3 lety +2

    Really interesting to see the ispirations George Lucas had. I like the old Spaghetti-Western and the Love Lovecraft Stories which are the Inspiration for my Drawings. Haven't read Valerian. I like the Behind-the -szenes Material too, it's so interesting to watch Documentaries or Making ofs of Movies

  • @darrenbradleytwin
    @darrenbradleytwin Před 3 lety +1

    I wonder if George read any Dan Dare, Pilot of the Future too? A British comic strip character that ran throughout the 1950s and 60s within the Eagle comic which also had a lot of world building and extremely well written characters and plots that spanned 20 years.
    Dan Dare, now there's a character that needs a big screen treatment, long overdue!

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety +1

      I absolutely LOVE that comic and the relaunch from 10 years ago was cool too

  • @brushstroke3733
    @brushstroke3733 Před 3 lety

    The Behind the Scenes movies were my favorites - maybe even more than the films themselves! That's probably why I watch so many of your videos too. I've even filmed my own behind the scenes footage when I was making He-Man videos in case I ever wanted to make a video showing how they were made!

  • @blackdragon5274
    @blackdragon5274 Před 3 lety +5

    It could be interesting to see Dune's references on Star Wars. Spice, sandworms, desert planets with sand people... Probably some more

  • @transfan1988
    @transfan1988 Před 3 lety +1

    I was watching Guns of Navarone the other day and the third act really reminded me of the destruction of the Death Star.

  • @chrislongbeard
    @chrislongbeard Před 3 lety +3

    Valerian was one of the reasons I decided to take French in high school. And yes it loses a little in translation. The other was that they stopped offering German without being one of the "smart kids"

  • @0Aberration
    @0Aberration Před 3 lety +2

    I know it doesn't quite fit the theme of the video, but I think it's important to note that Marcia Lucas (George's ex-wife) saved the Battle Of Yavin, and effectively the whole movie through editing. Originally, the Death Star was in the middle of nowhere and not about to destroy the Rebel base, and Luke takes two tries to blow up the Death Star. Her changes upped the stakes and made that finale work.

  • @Zan_Jayna
    @Zan_Jayna Před 3 lety +4

    The basic plot of Star Wars was based on Hidden Fortress by Akira Kurosawa

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety +1

      And the finale was lifted from Damn Busters

    • @Zan_Jayna
      @Zan_Jayna Před 3 lety +1

      @@spectorcreative1872 Holy defensive youtuber Batman. I didn't contradict you. This is one of your few videos where you didn't say a bunch of incorrect nonsense. You spelled Dam wrong too. Take a pill, buddy

  • @MrColuber
    @MrColuber Před 3 lety +3

    Sometimes, I find something that connects Star Wars to Lucas' previous movie, American Graffiti. John Milner seems eerily similar to Han Solo (even though Bob Falfa has more of an odd resemblance to the smuggler than Milner does - seriously though, it's almost as if the two characters were played by the same person) and his hot rod, which I think is a Ford model A from the thirties, reminds me of the 'piece of junk' Millenium Falcon. Also, he hangs out with whiny and dorky friends, but Henderson and the other two don't have the Force.

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety

      Oh yes, a lot if Lucas love for cars made it into SW. the whole finale is a drag race

  • @BrianGeers
    @BrianGeers Před 3 lety +2

    I’m really surprised that no one has really tried to pull off a live action version of the Kirby aesthetic. I’m kind of hoping to see something of that in The Eternals.

    • @drillerdev4624
      @drillerdev4624 Před 3 lety +1

      I'd say Thor Ragnarok was quite kirbyesque during the middle segment

    • @BrianGeers
      @BrianGeers Před 3 lety +1

      @@drillerdev4624 True, but I’d like to see someone REALLY lean into it (like Fifth Element did with the European SF comic look or Avatar did with Roger Dean album covers).

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety

      Man that would be amazing!

    • @jeremymullens7167
      @jeremymullens7167 Před 3 lety

      I learned that Kirby was wanting to do a Thor sequel comic ie after Ragnarok. He didn’t like his deal with marvel so moved to DC. He did the story he wanted and just changed things so he could get away with it. Could be a reason the style is similar.

  • @mattyr5323
    @mattyr5323 Před 3 lety

    About 10 years ago I watched Dam Busters because it is one of the movies on the TV Pink watched in the hotel during The Wall (the movie.) While watching it thought the bomb run was pretty familiar. Then he said the thing about the guns on the tower and I realized it was Star Wars.

  • @MrJtmendoza180
    @MrJtmendoza180 Před 3 lety +1

    One of the influences of George Lucas' Episode IV A New Hope is Akira Kurosawa's The Hidden Fortress. In the opening scene, two supporting characters (peasants) were seen walking away after their army lost in a battle, which is similar to the opening scene of Episode IV where C-3PO and R2-D2 were inside the beleaguered Blockade Runner. Lucas used these droids to tell the story from their perspective. Before Harrison Ford was cast as Han Solo, many actors were interviewed for the role, including Christopher Walken. Ford is Han Solo, but I also wondered what would Walken do with the character if he were chosen.

  • @darrenbradleytwin
    @darrenbradleytwin Před 3 lety

    Not just the scroll from Flash Gordon but also the 'clock', 'curtain', lift and sideways screenwipes from scene to next scene

  • @lucasbachmann
    @lucasbachmann Před 3 lety +1

    Star Wars to Dam Busters is kind of like the comparing Airplane! to Zero Hour!

  • @nerdrock8087
    @nerdrock8087 Před 3 lety

    Scott, you may have already read it, but if not, I recommend 'Starlight' from Image Comics. It's totally up your alley!

  • @aaronburrell3729
    @aaronburrell3729 Před 3 lety +5

    The “mythical heroes journey” was around long before Lucas wrote Star Wars.

  • @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t
    @f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Před 3 lety

    11:19 The crash shown here isn't in the original version of the film; it was stock footage of a B-17, licensed from Warner Brothers, added to the US release to make the sequence 'more exciting'.

  • @eliotbenitez8362
    @eliotbenitez8362 Před 3 lety

    Great video.

  • @majingunplero8472
    @majingunplero8472 Před 3 lety

    Now with the advent of CG it will be awesome to see the Kirby style in movies. Yes his style Is very complicated but beautiful at the same time!! I do liked the Valerian Movie hope at some point more stories are adapted

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety +1

      I am so bummed valerian was not a huge hit!

    • @majingunplero8472
      @majingunplero8472 Před 3 lety

      @@spectorcreative1872 i do believe it was promoted in the wrong way. Luc Besson have an outstanding visual style. But is better to be surprised by it Like the Fifth Element than be showed in the trailers as they did with Valerian

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    I remember watching a Flas Gordon serial in the 1990s and the opening scrawl floored me. STAR WARS STOLE THIS!

  • @cookiemadison8529
    @cookiemadison8529 Před 3 lety

    Great job. I would also add Asimov's original Foundation trilogy onto the list in terms of how he described his galactic empire

  • @marcmcfinn7470
    @marcmcfinn7470 Před 3 lety

    The Kirby influence shows up in the force, and in the Vader/Luke Darkseid/Orion situation.

  • @dgray7537
    @dgray7537 Před 3 lety

    It's like poetry, they rhyme.

  • @LearningAboutComics
    @LearningAboutComics Před 3 lety

    Another cartoonist worth noting is Al Williamson. He was such a big influence that Lucas lobbied for him to do the comic adaptation, but he didn't come around the to idea until Empire. Many of Williamson's heroes are a dead ringer for Han Solo, especially his Flash Gordon. It's also worth noting an issue of The Marvel Family has the super family fighting The Red Death Star. Cap even remarks that it's no moon, it's a space station!

  • @ericleavitt6615
    @ericleavitt6615 Před 3 lety

    I am 48 and love the behind the scenes on Star Wars. I am surprised I am not familiar with Valerian. Wasn't that a source for Jodorosky's unmade Dune film? I was familiar with the Dam Busters but what about "The Searchers," "The Hidden Fortress," and the Dune novels. My film professors kept talking about The Searchers for Star Wars and other things. I am blown away by Valerian, I am surprised Rinzler didn't mention it in his wonderful books. Did he?

    • @tigerbread78
      @tigerbread78 Před 3 lety

      It's available in digital form, if you know where to look

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety

      Oh there is way more than just these three, I just wanted to cover a bit in this first part

    • @marcmcfinn7470
      @marcmcfinn7470 Před 3 lety

      Jodorowsky used Moebius on Dune (so there was a similar French sci fi aesthetic). The Moebius Dune art ended up in numerous films from Star Wars to Alien to Flash Gordon.

  • @MadDragon-lb7qg
    @MadDragon-lb7qg Před 3 lety +1

    Gil Taylor, the cinematographer on Star Wars, also worked on Dam Busters! en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_Taylor

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety +1

      Wow! I did not know that. That is tight

    • @MadDragon-lb7qg
      @MadDragon-lb7qg Před 3 lety

      @@spectorcreative1872 not only that, but Stewart Freeborn, the makeup man who made Yoda, and Chewbacca among others was the makeup guy on Dam Busters, and Peter Diamond the Stuntman who arranged the Sword fight between Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader and played the Tusken Raider who attacks Luke, played a Lancaster tail gunner, although he is uncredited. I'm a bit of a Movie trivia nerd, especially about movies made in the UK.

  • @matthewpahnke2613
    @matthewpahnke2613 Před 3 lety

    I'm probably one of the only millennials that thinks Buster Crabbe and Richard Middleton when they think of Flash Gordon instead of Queen.
    I'm surprised you didn't mention Hidden Fortress' influence! I've known about it and Dam Busters for a while, but never heard of Valerian until the movie and didn't ever hear it in connection to Star Wars. Interesting... I'll have to check it out!

  • @eddylex4921
    @eddylex4921 Před 3 lety +1

    Star Wars was also very much influenced by the Lensmen pulp scifi series by EE doc Smith. In particular the book Galactic Patrol.

  • @jeremymullens7167
    @jeremymullens7167 Před 3 lety

    Ray guns and melee weapons show up in sci fi pulp. Not always but there was a lot of mish mash going on. This was a time when military units would have guns but still be issued swords. Or you could have a story where the ray gun is rare and used as a climatic weapon.
    I’d say avoid absolute statements unless you’re sure. Sci fi had a long history before valerian. I do believe that it had an impact on Star Wars specifically especially the visual style. Thank you for that. Appreciate your work.

  • @ZeroAnalogy
    @ZeroAnalogy Před 3 lety +1

    I was tempted to create some Star Wars looking formula in response. I have become too predictable with being "pun happy" in the comments and so I felt that I had to break the trend to subvert expectation. You were safe this time Scott. Be warned.

  • @rodrickadamginsburg8960

    22.8K 🥳

  • @rolandkatsuragi
    @rolandkatsuragi Před 3 lety

    4:27 That seems like something that would've been easier to do as an effects shot

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    I don't think the Jedi were based on the Green Lantern Corps, but some parallels.

  • @brushstroke3733
    @brushstroke3733 Před 3 lety

    Was the Sky Sled influenced by the 1980's Flash Gordon movie? They look like the vehicles Flash flew around on.

  • @tommarvel9442
    @tommarvel9442 Před 3 lety

    So wait, does that mean in the Dam Busters there's a Han Solo-type character who swoops in at the last second and also saves the hero pilot from getting shot down by the villain???

  • @benflay6038
    @benflay6038 Před 3 lety

    Definately d war films look at the guns there was star trek before and the Japanese films he was into he made it all come together plus the genius people back stage who designed and built everything

  • @johnkenobi
    @johnkenobi Před 3 lety

    Jidai Geki is a period piece or historical film genre- not a specific film

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    Probably too obvious to mention, but the Empire was essentially Nazi Germany. The whole Star Warsmovie could be remade as a fun WW2 movie. In fact, I thought of it for awhile years ago. Hans Solo, a pilot defector and his copilot, a long haired and bearded Cossack who doesn't speak English but mostly undetstands it. .

  • @sda9650
    @sda9650 Před 3 lety

    👍

  • @loverofbeers
    @loverofbeers Před 3 lety +1

    Hidden Fortress, cough cough.

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    Did a foreigner type your channel heading?

  • @rumblehat4357
    @rumblehat4357 Před 3 lety

    Still don't agree that Star Wars was inspired by Valerian. They both look inspired by Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers, and John Carter. It's hard to make a claim when both come from the same sources. I read valerian, and can see how that could be thought (in a bubble,) but the similarities could be cherry picked this way, but it's just not really there. The similar things had all been done before. The differences are much more. Any true fan of the original film knows about the Dambusters. It's my opinion that Lucas used film of the bombing as stand in for the effects shots. Later, I believe he slightly changed the dialogue to fit his film. I have never heard Lucas state he was a fan of Valerian. I've never even heard him mention Valerian. What source is that reference from?

    • @spectorcreative1872
      @spectorcreative1872  Před 3 lety

      He mentions it in old interviews and the books are on his shelf

    • @lucasbachmann
      @lucasbachmann Před 3 lety +1

      Even if Lucas liked Valerian - most of the similarities seem "Scènes à faire" to use a copyright law term. That is to say - you can't copyright the notion of aliens and spaceships because it is a requirement of being a science fiction story.

    • @rumblehat4357
      @rumblehat4357 Před 3 lety

      lucasbachmann true. Writers had been using these ideas for decades prior. See EE Smith, etc. Even Star Trek predates Valerian, and it had different kinds of aliens in it.

  • @thereisnosanctuary6184

    Take Flash Gordon, The Hidden Fortress, WW2 movies, the King Arthur legend, stir.
    Star Wars.

  • @Duck_Dodgers
    @Duck_Dodgers Před 3 lety

    The princess was supposed to be the main character originally. The studios said woman hero wouldn't work go rewrite

  • @slimewizard5000
    @slimewizard5000 Před 3 lety

    HIDDEN FORTRESS?

  • @silverbullet1620
    @silverbullet1620 Před 3 lety

    This does explain why Star Trek is superior for me.

  • @ericpurnomo8173
    @ericpurnomo8173 Před 3 lety

    George Lucas is the luckiest celebrity ever...Read his bibliography ...

  • @rodrickadamginsburg8960
    @rodrickadamginsburg8960 Před 3 lety +1

    Hollywood & original ideas……. 🤔….. 🤡

  • @thestorm99
    @thestorm99 Před 3 lety

    All art is derivative.