Tactical Back Panels Vs. Backpacks. What Should You Choose?
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- There are a lot of misconceptions about how, when, and where to use back panels on your plate carrier. In this video Adam goes over some important considerations you should account for when deciding between a back panel and a backpack for tactical applications.
0:00 Intro
0:28 Back Panel vs. Pack
1:43 When to use a Back Panel (opinion)
2:28 When to not use a Back Panel
3:25 Why have things on your back?
5:03 The Delta Bag
6:49 The Molle Back Panel
11:13 The Assault Panel Core
17:42 The Back Panel Flaps
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Location footage captured at the Direct Action Resource Center
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I find those videos quite interesting and like watching them, but I'm still always wondering who the target audience or the customers are, that you are trying to reach. For me it seems like those videos are made for something like private military/security companies (or maybe LAPRers?), because I have never been in a situation were I needed to assault something nor have I ever been on patrol.
I'd bet a pretty penny a large majority of viewers are LARPers.
Military...?
You need to realise that a large number of military personnel buy their own gear. Command isnt gonna give you everything you want, and if it does, its probably been well worn out by someone else. Security companies requiring their officers use their own gear makes sense too.
On the third hand, yes, larpers and milsim lovers in the civie sector make up a large purchase.
t. I use stuff like this to fill out my duty gear on the job.
@@OfficialPheep Exactly, I've been issued some of the worst gear I've ever had the displeasure of working with. So for my last 4 deployments I've just brought my own shit (command permitting) and it's made my life a million times easier, and more comfortable
Я думаю, що на великій війні всьому цьому знаходиться застосування. Просто ти не був на справжній великій війні. Сподіваюся, світові лідери зроблять все, щоб і не побував, тут відстій.
I hope CZcams can translate automatically my comment.
Backpanels are for people with friends.
*Yup!*
It hurts, but the truth often does…
Or long arms🗿
@@breadm8101LMFAO
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Glad you guys made this. Valuable info for guys who know they want something, but haven't envisioned how or why they would need one or the other. This saves people alot of time and money having to experiment just to find whats finally right for them.
What up, Dirty?!
Can we get a spiritus designed assault pack?
Love how much thought goes into the gear and would be stoked to get a purpose built assault pack from you guys
seconded
thirded
Agree, a backpack is more useful for 99% of us and getting one that is designed to wear over a carrier and also be used as an EDC bag should be something Spiritus makes. I have a Camelbak HAWG and it worls great over a carrier because the should straps can carry wide making it comfortable over a carrier.
have it be able to integrate with the chest rigs or be able to attach to the LBV expander kit, to eliminate strap clutter and lower snag potential.
or
Make a lighter/smaller version, that could hold a hydration pouch and expand for things that might be necessary that wont fit in just the LBV expander.
BE A MAN, put ur shit in a trash bag and walk around like that
With the coming adoption of the sig spear, I’d really appreciate a video on setting up larger magazines. A sniper type kit break down would be nice as well.
I have friends at units that are currently dealing with adopting the new rifle and they are looking for better solutions to carry the bigger magazines and better ways to setup their kits.
That new rifle is such a stupid clusterfuck. We shouldn’t have changed calibers.
Piggybacking off of what you said, maybe in addition to the “sniper” kit, recommendations for a SASS/DMR kit may be nice to have.
ive resorted to using 511 gernade pouches to hold my scar mags lmaooo
Esstac makes magazine pouches just like their 5.56 ones except for .308 mags. See if one of those will fit the sig mag.
Like @declanmagill7624 said: Esstac. Their kydex AR-10 pouches will fit magpul/AICS short action and Magpul SR-10 mags. From Sig interview (v=vlrBEEG__1E&t=8m15s), they'll take any standard 7.62 [AR style] mag.
I enjoy all the content but really love the sustainment type conversations and equipment. Keep up the good work!
I love a team room episode on gas mask basics.
Get fit for a mask quantitatively. Make sure bot to have facial hair or glasses on while donning as it wont seal. There are inserts for mask glasses. Make sure valves and seals are good before use. Dont reuse filters
wear them on your head. thats usually my first tip
A mask is A GIMMICK.
"What if they...."
Shut up, no its not.... your main goal it's not getting shot in the head 1 second into CQB.
A gas mask is just ahead of needing radiation iodine pills incase of fall out lol
I usually run a slick hydro bladder that just has a few repair items for my rig and then a back pack over top with whatever is actually needed
Small 20L backpack is the way to go. Easily dawned, easily removed for vehicular activity, and easer to access by yourself.
BE A MAN, put ur shit in a trash bag and walk around like that
Absolutely loved this video. Thank you. Just bought an LV119 for my department
Great informative video. It definitely gives those who don't have experience using a carry system (ie back panel, flc, assault panel). Every "accessory" is a personal preference or best for the mission and position in the team (ie only designated driver).
This is good. I would love more of the why you have what ever wherever on your kit. Over all I am a fan of videos like this.
As eternal patrol medic I've never been in a role where back panels are applicable, the thought of having inaccessible kit useless to me in everything but an urban stack situation was anathema, only thing close to a back panel I've run is a hydration bladder pouch plus a side accessible radio pouch, that can still have a backpack combat first aid kit or field pack over it. That said, it's good that Adam went over the pros/cons and likely use cases, and more power to anyone who needs to runs a back panel for their role.
Great dive into a pretty versatile piece of kit. For other team room stuff perhaps some deep dives like the water video. Perhaps, field hygiene if you know you are going beyond 48/72hrs, rifle and gear repair and maintenance, hot/cold/wet weather ops...your patrol pack video covered summer perhaps a winter one is in order especially with the seasons changing. Just some thoughts.
Nate
Shaw Concepts’ Plate Carrier Panel fixes all the issues. Its a panel and a backpack, and it clips into your plate carrier. Doesnt get in the way, you can set it up however you want, whether you attach individual pouches or a premade pack or panel to it, easy to use and access on your own.
So is defense mechanisms new back pack
and the Agilite amapIII
And javlin concepts
Sckreech
BE A MAN, put ur shit in a trash bag and walk around like that
Damn, I had no ideea that are so many features on these panels! That's nice, keep it up with the innovation 😊
"Awesome" is the word mate. Great updates. We might use it as a rescue apparatus to enhance the capacity in haulage of equipment. Learning & getting ideas. Cheers from Australia.
Really great presentation. I will look for this instructor again.
The majority of backpacks extend down to the hips and lower which eliminates one's basic pace speed. It's easy to prove. Just grab the shoulder straps, lift them up high to achieve having the backpack to located above the hips. Try walking a given distance doing both and you will notice that you can actually move faster with a backpack located above your hips.
thank you for the explanation, when i first discovered about these types of back panels, i always wondered how does the carrier reaches for their kept item behinds their back, i slowly and slowly comes up with speculation with : "oh maybe its for their mate to pick up maybe a flashbang or a grenade, or even an extra magazine", then it was actually true, thank you for the explanation :D !!
that is the coolest room i have ever seen in my life that is awsome also love your content just started whatching your chanel today and i love it already
You guys have such great stuff ❤ and I love your videos
thank you guys for exellent work. please keep up
How about a video of general tips, tricks, and hacks you guys wish someone would have showed you when you were out of basic?
A.i. zippered longjohns for rapid layering on/off, or button compass in shoe for general direction (learned this from a scout), wipes/twist in ziplock bags drenched in gun lubricant (for quick rust prevention during long maritim/wet ops), etc.
You guys have the best back panel there is. I really wish it worked with my HRT carrier. But of course, HRT had to make nothing compatible with any other system. I bought my RAC shortly after it came out and I had to modify my MK3 front placard to work with it, along with a cummerbund. It took HRT 4 years to come out with a decent placard and a good cummerbund.
Yeah, I think I’m going to change out my back plate bag off of my HRT carrier.
Great selection! I agree with all five
I love how he mentioned other brands like ferro he’s a good man and a good business owner. Big respect.
great video was that guardian center in the vehicle clip
Great video, as always!
K, abgegeben,
I'd be interested to see a video on signaling and setting up chemlight bundles. You've touched on how you set them up a certain way and it'd be cool to see a video on the principals behind it. I've never seen any videos like that on YT and think it'd be interesting and unique.
Because it is unit/individual SOP dependent!
Liked and subbed. Love the channel bros.
I wish we have any of this stuff back in '03 ahaha Outstanding job as usual guys.
i love seeing how advanced our combat kits have become and then seeing other countries do the same goofy shit we did back in 00-08 lmaooo... it blew my mexican military friends mind when i showed him my combat belt and explained why drop leg holsters suck. he then thought it was Absolutely insane how minimal our plate carriers have become
You guys think of everything. Not only that but always forward thinking as well. I recommend all of your products to anyone who is getting into this space or doing it professionally.
Just got some cana water filters with your link. Keep the content up.
Thank you.
It would be very beneficial to have a video on setting up kit for snipe/DMR/SPR stuff, there is a definite lack of content on this. Would like to see some solutions for the larger mags.
Thanks Adam
Amazing!
AWESOME! 👍🙏
4:14 i was just going to make this point. Thank you
My solution was the crye zip panel pouch which compresses flat very easily. I throw a pack with minimalist straps like the Haley Strategic Flatpack over it if needed. The flatpack can also be molled on to a carrier too
I run Krydex MK3 chest rig and flat pack together (copy of flatpack plus)
They slip in the front of my helmet carrier on my platatac medium assault pack (gods ruck when you upgrade the waistbelt/pad)
Obviously you can wear the combat load+ruck if the flatpack isnt packed too much as the ruck is spaced for plate carriers anyway. (1609 frame)
The flatpack as you know, can have "velcro panels" on the inside if needed in the worst case anyway, and lets be honest - its not hard to mod the front of the pack to accept panels on the outside anyway)
Great vid
Weird. I think CZcams unsubscribed me. Glad to be seeing you guys again
it honestly sounds like as a pro. You're gonna need more than one kit setup.
Like you said, depending on your role. Seems like drivers would basically be the bare essentials. Minimum gear just to say you're equipped for an assault but not weighing you down or being cumbersome while driving or getting-in or out of a car. You're gonna be reliant on a support.
I think personally that a pack or backpack is meant for a support/breacher/medic role.
Support would have alot of extra gear and extra stuff so a pack or a backpack is necessary. Depending on what kind of support. Maybe weapons support or the 3rd or second guy from the stack.
Breachers depending on what kind of setup they running might just be a pack. But if you're a demo guy. You're gonna need a backpack or an assaulter's kit to house all your det cord, E.D's, initiators and controllers, breaching tools, batteries, cables, maybe an EOD kit.
And medics I know all keep a special bag on them with basically as much gear as an EMT would have off an ambulance.
Anything else is just pack/panel. Or no panel at all especially if you're on a team and you're the point man or the cover. You're gonna be more reliant on the rest of your team than yourself.
A pro for back panels (also applies to WMLs & attaching anything to any other types of gear) is that if you have your armor, you have the stuff that's in the panel too. It makes me think of the 90s to 2000s era Russian tac vests that had cargo pockets on the back for stuff. Yeah, it would suck to have it full while in a vehicle or with a pack on but if you had neither one then if you had the vest, you also had whatever you put in the back too.
Could you guys do a lightweight maritime kit? We are encouraged to get our own kit for this and I'm just now getting into all of it
Spiritus.... It's the best
Team room episode on what a medic carries on a long duration mission.
Why you want to LARP harder? I wonder how many of the commenters in here engage in stolen valor.
Good stuff
Lots of good info here, also, mind sharing what kind of halligan your using?
is here, notification (set to all) received, subscribed, gave you a 👍! 🙂Audio video is good.
read my mind. keep it up gents
Every video with Adam “this isn’t released yet I’m probably gonna get in trouble” lol
Will y'all be doing a video on TUSC at DARC? Would love to see your perspective
What if y’all use a low weight magnet closure on the flash bang panel instead of hook/loop? For noise… I’m very interested in why not if that’s the case. Love how far the company has come since i first learned about it in like 2017/18
Team room video suggestion: CBRN kit considerations/building kit around gas masks and chem suits
Great video. Where can I buy all the charge sticks you're waving around....lol
Thank you for the videos. I hope you don't get in trouble.
You Guys are great I love your stuff very innovative very high-quality.
I get where you’re coming from, you guys wanted your panel to be better. But by making it so different you’re making it to where no one who’s bought into any other system can use your stuff. I will not be buying a separate carrier just to use your back panel. I really like the carrier I already have I think it’s superior to your carrier which is why I got the one I have.
I would love to buy some really cool things you guys have, but I can’t because it isn’t compatible.
I hope at some point you guys realize that just because yours is better doesn’t mean people will buy it. It Has to check more than one box to be a viable product.
what's weird is that they claim non-standard zipper lenght is for stability, but the pannel has pushbutton loops around the top of it stabilizing it.
I completely agree and will be re-commenting this message so it can hopefully get more light. Such a good comment to go to waste
*wrong spot*
@@futurememeudontgetyet1202 What is weird is we have a bunch of preppers and LARPers talking about patrolling and their loadout like they are on active duty military service.
I just purchased a defense mechanisms set up the rokhcondite rear bag can be easily flipped over your head so you can access it yourself love it all Rear panels should have that ability
obviously pick the coolest looking one
I like the Delta bag, however i need a bag that's a little bit bigger. Call it the Whiskey bag for medics in an austere environment. Additionally, an updated ALICE pack with MOLLE/PALS webbing, with no large permanent pockets where the Delta bag or a current M9 bag could ride piggyback for rural operations.
Agreed. I like beaver tail bags that you can shove the m9 aid bag in there. As a cav scout medic doing long range patrols and rucks I’d just always slide my aid bag in the top flap of my ruck.
Very informative video, I usually only have a hydration pouch with molle webbing, that I can attach other pouches to, if I am in a patrol type scenario, then I leave it slick, and carry a small patrol pack.
Yeah where are you patrolling? Your parent's basement?
What about a pack with a Velcro front to allow attachment like a back panel to the carrier but you can remove it faster than a zip on panel
I have a plce yoke, depending on requirements I can have 0-4 10l rocket pouches above whatever I have on my belt.
SpiritusSystems erst mal Gruss aus Deutschland, ich bin selbst mal in der Armee Gewesen in Deutschland, Bundeswehr, ich hatte eine kurze aber schöne Zeit, in Zweibrücken, AGA und dann Stammeinheit in Calw. Ich konnte vieles sehen und erleben, Lindnerhof und Co die Grundzüge ich war vor 2010 dort. Nun mache ich Airsoft seit fast 8 Jahren mit meinen Freunden. Dort musste ich auch erstmal Standarts setzen, Leo Köhler ist der König, King. In den Jahren habe ich viele Systeme getragen und auspropiert, aber naja ich konnte so einiges selbst erleben mit der Ausrüstung, Gear. Weil ich selbst ein anderes sehen besitze, schreiben wir es mal so aus. Ich denke auch etwas anderst, man geht mehr in die Tiefe. Bin bei Pflegeeltern aus dem Jahrgang 1925 aufgewachsen und so sehr früh miliärisch, strukturrell aufgewachsen, alles ist bei mir bodenständig. Keine Panik. Aber ich wurde mit vielem sehr Jung konfrontiert das mag gut sein und zu gleich schlecht. Kleines Beispiel, sehr früh in Taktik und Strategie eingeführ und auch Technik und Technologie, wie auch Globales Denken, die Vernetzung der Welt und zu gleich das abstrakte die FOO Fighters im 2 Weltkrieg. Ja mein Pflegevater konnte mir so einiges erzählen. Nun zu meiner Zeit in der BW war ich etwas zuweit, aber dass ist ein eigenes anderes Kapitel. Aber ich will auf etwas hinweissen was mir in den letzten Jahren aufgefallen ist, Ausrüstung, und mehr, Trageweise.
Ich selbst besitze nur noch wenige System
Belt
Buttpack
PlateCarrier - Chest Rig
(Takonka) Tasmanien Tiger Anfibia Gen 1
SIOEN Tacticum Plattenträger
Ich will auf den Tiger eingehen, an im habe ich mein kompletes System, in kombiniert mit dem Condor Ronin MCR 7 Chest Rig, und es ist ziehmlich gut. Die Frontplatte mit Panel kann ich tagen oder nicht, somit habe ich Chest Rig oder Plate Carrier.
Aber jetzt kommt es so richtig dicke. Ich habe mir von Warrior A. Backpanels geholt 3 Stück. Für Vorne, Rechts und Links. Somit habe ich aus dem ganzen eine Art Patrol Version gemacht.
Kommt an die Süd Afrikanische Armee Weste hin SDAF Vest die kann ja 10 Magazine schlucken, Gaili Vektor 4.
Auf die Seiten Panels habe ich wie bei Minute 10 - USMC Sustainment Pouch drauf genagelt aber noch was zusätliches, und zwar die SOURCE Razor 3L Low Profile Hydration Pouch passt voll da zwischen USMC und Warrior A. Ich muss sagen ich bin zufrieden mit dem System - in Zukunft fürs MILSIM, Long Range Patrol.
Der TT Anfibia ist ja aus TPU Laminat, selbst mit Molle Adaptern könnte ich in auf den SIOEN Tacticum Plattenträger nageln, was meine ich damit warum werden Plate Carrier immer noch so angeboten wie bis her.
Man sieht das diese Sekeltbauweise viel besser ist für noch mehr Mobilität und Effiktivität. Selbst die Norweger gehen den Weg, NFMG hat bei uns in Deutschland hexonia gekauft die die Bundeswehr beliefern, Ausrüstung, Kleidung. NFM Group haben den Thor Plate Carrier System, mein System, an dem habe ich jetzt 3 - 4 Jahre gefeilt und muss sagen da ist was dran an der Seletbauweise.
Den Tasmanien Tiger Anfibia Gen 1 trage ich im moment ohne Platten, könnte aber ICE Plates rein machen somit habe ich noch mehr reichweite mit Wasser, oder Trainig mit Wasser.
Ich finde es ist viel besser eine Art Laminat Ausrüstungs Molle Gitter zuhaben die dann auf einen Mesh Plate Carrier kommt oder mit einem Molle Plate Carrier der Eigenen Wahl mit einander verbunden wird. Klar das Frontpanel ist sehr varibael da durch, aber es gibt viel mehr Möglichkeiten.
Ein weiterer Punkt der viel vergessen wird die Backpanels sollten als Seitentaschen durchgehen, an Berghaus oder Karrmior oder Bergens angebracht werden können, wäre sogar auf höhe der Zeit und sogar sinnvoll und logisch würde Mr Spock sagen, wenn wir uns etwas mal einigen könnten, Grundeinigung ist besser als gar keine. Denn ich habe meine Warrior A, Backpanels die ich an der Seite benutze zum testen mal an die Berghaus Centurio FA Gen 3 mal ran gezippt und es funktioniert aber Zipper sind zu kurz und das Panel ist etwas zu breit. Aber liebe Hersteller ihr seit da in diesem Punkt in der Pflicht.
Ja SpiritusSystems dass war alles was ich sagen wollte, noch was einen Radioman - Bowman Manpack Radio Carrier Rucksack, Desert DPM habe ich mir noch bestellt zu Weihnachten, seht in euch an da ist viel System drin die Nützlich ist dieser Rucksack könnte die Brücke für weiter entwicklungen sein was Backpacks angeht oder sogar Backpanels, er ist eine Zwischenlösung.
Das Radio Panel könnte durch einen weiteren Zipper an einen Plate Carrier angebracht werden können. Oder der andere Teil des Ruckssacks, als Medipack oder Pyropack. Der Bowman Manpack Radio Carrier Rucksack, Desert DPM ist ein altes Konzept aber die Idee dieses Rucksack ist noch lang nicht am Ende.
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So nun bin ich aber fertig, für Schreibfehler Sorry.
Ich sag dann mal frohe Weihnachten und gutes Silvester, und einen FAN Gruss aus Deutschland, Baden Württemberg, Heilbronn.
Man ist ein fleissiger Kommentar Schreiber bei der Epig Group, die Ausrüstung vorstellen in deutsch, für Zivil(Airsoft)und Behörden, Militär.
Und was den Smock angeht da muss endlich was gescheites her, M65+Trechcoat+Smock, dass was ich die Jahre sehe ist immer nur noch, alt aber nur selten überlegt.
Bin gelernter Winzer - ich hab auch eine Marketing Prüfung ablegen müssen daher weiss ich - Preis und es muss ich auch ja lohen, Herstellung und so weiter.
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Haven’t watched the full thing yet but I have a feeling it’s gonna end with “choose whichever fits your situation” or something like that.
100% of videos that say they will decide which is best will never decide which is best
Fax
Could you make one of those back panels in AMCU? (Australian Multicam)
When are you restocking multi cam black assault back panels? I’ve been waiting forever to get one :(
What's you and your teams opinion on Shaw concepts back panel
Make a mini assault pack with low profile backpack straps, like your own take on the Haley flatpack.
Depends on your mission
I like the backpack because you can drop it easily if you need to back panels are for people working in groups
About 16 min in helped a lot. 😅
What about a video with drones? Gear used, panel layout, how a drone would be used in the field.
I mostly run with a haversack, but I’ve also run a DIY Alice frame with a music box also works just as well for carrying cargo, although whilst having a full on rucksack might be better off for both larger containers or cargo items, having individual panels, does make access and support much easier to deal with, that being said if I was in a similar position, it mostly depends primarily on the mission specifics but I would run a medium to small sized container pouch on the lower section of my plate carrier whilst having several utility and smaller pouches above the cargo pouch, for example things like additional food, first aid supplies, grenades and even two or more extra magazines for the person behind me if they need extra ammunition, other than that, it’s mostly individual choices really, that being said, it would be nice if there was a system where you could mount a small or medium sized bag onto your plate carrier, again I simply used two pieces of flat metal, bent one end do it hooks onto the mollee whist the other end is bent into a sort of hanging frame in which I mount my box onto so the weight essentially becomes one with the place carrier allowing the weight to be distributed even more so across my body
Where are you "running" this stuff? In your imagination?
@@thomgizziz no I actually do run this although it’s mostly just for airsoft
Would it be possible to put a beaver tail on the lower GP pouch, so that it can fit a gas mask? If a lot of people are asking about it, then it seems like it might be worth it.
nice
More civilian load out and kit set up videos as well as perhaps some prepping/stockpile content.
I want to know more about that battery pack
Can someone point me to where I can get that life support patch?
So the Assault Back Panel actually is NOT compatible with Crye AVS Zippers, did i get this right? Anyone knows mod options so it could fit?
As a Brit, I would like to know what you think of the “Warrior Assault Systems” Back panel & gear in general ? We don’t have the market size or options here &, the cost for good USA made gear is through the roof ! especially after the import duty. Thanks guys. All the best.
The US has subsidized your import duties that go towards your social programs for decades... while the US consumer got hit with the full force of the UK and europe's full cost and duties. It is about time that you all learn that other people shouldn't have to pay for stuff that you get just because you cry about it.
TLDR is that back panel is for your team or for later and backback is for you and ASAP
Is the backpanel compatible with say the Ferro zippers?
I got both
How about full body armor and plate carrier ?
what bag is that to the right in the thumbnail?
Does anybody know what the gray backpack in the thumbnail is. I can’t find it anywhere.
Wow 😳
Do a CBRN team room
Make a pack with a dedicated solution for me to clip/unclip my own pack and get my own stuff. A load out supplement pack. Extra mags, batteries, power pack chargers, small rifle repair parts, breaching, change of socks, etc.
Spiritus Poncho release in the future?
I like being able to take off part of my kit without always having to remove my plates - options
Where do you get one of those retractable Halligan tools?
Looks like a Ruhl Tech halligan
My hunting backpack is a mystery ranch Pintler. I’ll run it rather then a back panel
3:39 is there a new type of cummerbound in this lv119 plate carrier?
cummerbound isnt a word.
Any thoughts on a pack being integrated with a chest rig?
Too complicated. Wont be able to drop the bag if SHTF
For all the ppl saying no need to add weight on the back of your plate carrier.. think about the way nods get mounted on a helmet, all the extra weight out front needs a counter balance to not cause major neck discomfort or injury....
I've had both the panels for a while now and actually didn't notice some of the features lol