Are EVs Sensible or Hyped? | Electric Bikes’ Future | Tarun Mehta
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- Gagan and I sat with Ather Energy’s CEO Tarun Mehta to understand the future of EVs in India and the roadblocks it’s facing. We also tried to understand how the two-wheeler landscape has changed in the last 5-6 years after the introduction of high-end EV scooters in India. Tarun also shared his insights on why EV is prefered alternative among all the available green solutions when it comes to two wheelers.
TARUN MEHTA’s WHITEPAPER - drive.google.com/file/d/1J4FM...
00:01 - Preview
01:52 - Intro
02:18 - Tarun’s Background
04:07 - How Ather started
08:56 - Why scooter, not bikes?
11:03 - South vs North India sentiment
18:20 - Why premium pricing
19:15 - Battery replacement & Fires
28:04 - Quality vs Quantity
29:40 - Is Ather Rizta Late?
31:38 - Taking on Legacy Players
34:15 - Burn vs Investment
35:14 - Are EVs Enviornment Friendly?
40:34 - India is Ahead of China in 2Wheeler EVs
50:41 - Is China Benefetting from EV Growth?
54:45 - Will EVs rule autoby 2030?
1:00:46 - Future of Hydrogen vehicles - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Team EV, Team ICE or both?
Two strokes ❤
Team ICE
Team ICE
Once EVs truly become green and clean and infrastructure is sufficient, will think about EVs 😂
Team EV for scooter and Team ICE for four wheelers
Team ICE
30:29 Nahi samajh aa raha tha bas….such a simple outlook! What a casual way of accepting failure. Appreciate it
This is the type of podcast/content/awareness we need more and more.
Ather should focus on expanding their showrooms to Gujarat and North as I seen, other EVs are coming in our city and people choose first come first serve, By the way Podcast is great as usual. Kudos to both of you.
one of the most important questions the media is not asking is what about right to repair situation will be, will they allow 3rd party co to repair? will they provide repair syntax? and connected tech also has an evil side, the subs, remote monitoring by the co, serial no lock already we are seeing that co hates when customers own something for a lifetime (like they revoke perpetual license of somethings )
Bhai ye log same hardware ko alag product me software se limitations laga dete hai , ye thori provide karenge ye sab inke liye sab business point of view se inke thoughts change hote rehte hai
Govt inki g phad denge.....
Govt nai SC phat degi..
Likk ke Rakho..
@@akshatkhedekar8561woh to sahi kaha apne lekin chance bhi nahi hai ki yeh alog itna jaldi right to repair de de kyunki market choti hai aur repair karne ke knowledge hone wale bhi bahit kam log hai tho wo tho question tab hoga jab EV ka sales aur badega
@@gurupramodashetty452 ha ye bhi sahi hai
What happens when big company's like honda starts to make similar electric scooter, then people will choose established companies instead of startups
Honda is struggling to compete in EV againt tesla byd tata etc
They dont have reliable evs and by the time they develop one,market will be saturated
They are not struggling to make evs.....it's just that they dont want to make evs and that strategy is starting to pay of for them
iCube case study
My Ather 450xHR is just 1month old.I noticed panel gaps under the handle bar panel, chipped/rough edges and unfinished mirrors. Even the panels next to headlights have panel gaps.These issues are not there in previous generation vehicles.Even SC agreed these are manufacturing defects.SC team tried to adjust panel gaps but unsuccessful. Panel gaps increase with time After spending 1.8lakhs i get this type of fit and finish. Really unhappy
Then Iqube must sell more than any EV as per you. But its not. Ola is the leader.
18:50 - agr price problem nahi hai to OLA ki sales Ather se jada kyo ho rhi hai North me...
Ather is too expensive for middle class & entry level market
Because ather is not working on outlets and all in north ,ola is opening stores in even small towns , you can test ride and see it and check it
There is undeniably a quality difference in ola and ather.....Ather has proven to be a premium brand
Bhai thoda bht hi price difference hai. I think issue ye h ki Ather abhi north taraf itna dhyan de hi nhi raha hai. Bangalore me you will get to see more Ather then Ola
Bhai Xiaomi sale is higher than Apple in India
He is telling and Want to Sell Ather as Aspirations not Value for money ..
Ye samajh lo
OLA has got incentive under PLI scheme for their scooter. Tarun has talked about this before.
Clear, no bakwas content. Love your videos and your work and especially your unwavering commitment 😊
Absolutely amazing podcast guyz, both of you asked relevant questions and tarun spoke really well and he is such an intelligent guy, no wonders Ather has got customer satisfaction.
He completely ignore battery change question
Battery acche products mein nahi chamge karni padti mere bhai, lakh kilometer ke upar jaoge tab kaho jaroorat padti hai.
thats a non issue, thats why he ignored it
52:45 pe suno
He did answer
@sahastradhara
My platina 110 has done 4 lakh kms. Can your EV do that on single battery 😂😂😂
@@XYZ-pn2dm sir , then it makes even more sense because of huge savings advantage by cost/km.
Okay..one of the context question.... Which brand is that table over which you guys are having this conversation? It looks like its height can be adjusted electronically. I want the same table for my office too. The one that I have shortlisted costs exorbitantly high. So I was looking for the cheaper options. Is that table under a lakh?
Its not the just the awareness but your availability as well, there are not a lot of showrooms of ather in northen states which is why they aren't getting any good response from that section of our country
i think what ather needs is a scooter with 3 kwh 4kwh max speed 80kmph no maps and all simple clean dashboard with a semi digital instrument cluster which supports ather grid and decent speed of charging at 1lakh near about on road price on all states
Rizta base model
I learnt new things. Kudos! Please have one with tata like u had with maruti!
One correction I'd like to point out at 4:47 is that ICEs don't work on carnot cycle. Carnot is the most ideal a thermodynamic cycle can get. Petrol based ICEs work on Otto Cycle while diesel based ICEs work on Diesel Cycle.
So nice to hear Patna in this video. Love from Bihar.
@icn .. G vitara vs elevate main confused hu.. gurgaon rehta hu.. daily 40 km run. manual lena hai. pls suggest... also why elevate sale is not high if it is a really good product.
North ki sirf ek problem hai ki koi bhi ev company fast charging nhi deti. Sare fast charging station ya toh metro city mai hai ya south mai.
That is not a reason for low adoption in EV in the north. Most of the people charge at home.
PlugInIndia also had made an dedicated video on it Fossil fuel vs EV . People can watch that to get there doubt clear .
i own both activa and ola but have not ridden much of activa since buying the ola.No going back to ice after riding an ev for a few months.Will replace my activa with rizta.
what's your avg. odo for a year vaise ?
@@Adityakumar-mt7lu 3-3.5k kms
its good till OLA working fine once it showing issue i sure u will back to your activa like me. As the services are very poor. Now whoever asking me i suggest them go for petrol one
@@abhimanyusahoo2741 why petrol if one is not satisfied with ola then go for ather or chetak.I have had many problems with my activa.
@@lgsamsung1 that's plausible but to anyone with less that 2k clicks should consider ice instead of ev for sure
Mr.Tarun is far more mature. I am definitely putting Rizta as my first option before buying any E Scooter. Also this will be my first E vehicle in family.
Great podcast.
Just fix a day on a big ground with customers and demo all functions features there. Use well known customers as volunteers.
Amazing.. phenomenal podcast.. should do more such eye opener series 🤝🏻💫
Yar main isko headphones me sun raha tha (without watching video) and i couldn't differentiate between Gagan and Tarun's voice. So similar. Close ur eyes and feel
Get better headphones. They are not at all similar lol.
@@human_boulder get better ears or get them cleaned man , I ve airpods so fckoff
I bought 1st EV Scooter in 2006 that too in Kolhapur. It was amazing bike minus Service Center. It use to run on Dry Cell battery, 80 Kms Range and 55-60 Km/h speed with pillion.
this video is amazing, what a vision of Tarun ,hats off
My Ather 450xHR is just 1month old.I noticed panel gaps under the handle bar panel, chipped/rough edges and unfinished mirrors. Even the panels next to headlights have panel gaps.These issues are not there in previous generation vehicles.Even SC agreed these are manufacturing defects.SC team tried to adjust panel gaps but unsuccessful. Panel gaps increase with time After spending 1.8lakhs i get this type of fit and finish. Really unhappy
When do we get the delivery of rizta
What an interview and what thought process ?... will want to try out ather for sake of his thoughts and research..
One simple question, why does Ather doesn't give the convenience of removable batteries like Vida?
Awareness Awareness Awareness. Tackling mis-information & FUD(Fear, Uncertainty, Disruption) from social media is the biggest stumbling block towards electrification and de-carbonization. The goal of Net zero can only and only be achieved through BEV.
This man,Tarun Mehta !! You are at the top of your game man, carry on the legacy that you have build...
Its always worth listening Tarun ji , his pace , knowledge & dedication it's truly amazing Thanks ICN studio for hosting him
33:00, iQube is already considered as the family scooter, also Ola.
Great Podcast. A Big Thanks. 🙏🙏🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
boys...this was great ...keep it up
Thank you! Will do!
This video Convinced me to buy an Electric Scooter. Will look into it, especially Ether, if it is available in my area (Small town in West Bengal ).
Another nice cartalaap conversation session, nice to know the in and out thinking of an electric vehicle entrepreneur
Very clearly understood the concept of EV after this podcast #Good luck #ATHER
price is the real problem for a middle class family ( from west bengal) . Base model ka on road price 1,24,00L too high .
As Tarun sir mentioned about the problem in Mumbai, being a mumbaikar, yes in Apartments doing that wiring costs a lot for charging. Need something for that. Also, have been asking since long, more showrooms and service centers in Mumbai..
Lovely conversation 🙂
At 13.00 sale of activa over ev in terms of rickshw is tht they dont have much range issue as they run and charge and rest while a home person not sure when all of sudden the work will come for the scootor
31:00 but they skimped and cut corners, by not putting disc brakes and flat boot in rishta scooter.
Tarun ji plz address range anxiety barrier and pick up of ather compared to sluggish tvs I cube as well
I think ev ka sirf ek fayda hai, running cost kum hai but agar pricing aur resale ko consider kare to vo bhi balance out ho jayega isliye filhal to ice hi better hai, EVs me kuch bhi easy nahi hai aapko roj charging par lagane ka hassel rakhna padega, charging infra bhi nahi hai, price bhi jyada hai resale bhi zero hai, reliability bhi nahi hai to aise me ice hi sabse badhiya option hai
30:00 - Miniatures, Merchandise, and Toys are a good option for brand building and additional revenue. Ather can license these products to quality vendors for manufacturing.
8:04 In India, YObykes launched their electric two-wheelers in 2006. Taking about cars, Mahindra brought Reva as early as 2001 in India. Although Ather today is doing marvelous innovations, why are these guys more or less portraying Ather as the pioneer of EV in India?
Is there any practical charging solution for those who do not have a covered parking space ? For example, in Mumbai we have at lease four months of heavy rains and in many housing societies two wheelers are parked in an open space. In that case what can help a person who is interested in buying an electric scooter ?
But why live in Mumbai? You live only once, find a decent place to live.
Hi, I'm from North and I want to buy ather Rizta but I think I have to go for TVS only because the nearest Ather service center is approx 145kms away. 😅
Thank you for this detailed podcast ..........
Glad you enjoyed it!
Apartments me rehne wale kya karen, charge kaise hogi. Mere friend ne Jupiter le liya naya, ev lena chahta tha but 8th floor pe rehta hai.. parking me charging nahin hai.
Aap Apartment flat mein aap ka electricity meter laga hoga vahaa se aap ke parking area tak electic Wire extend karke aap apna Electric scooter yaan electric car Charge kar paayenge.
Ev Vechicle ko Charge karne ke liye Ground earthling bhi jaruri hoti hai !
Indeed Episode 👍
Ola is giving 8 years battery warranty wheras Ather is giving only 3 years....and also this pro pack to extend warranty and enabling features really doesn't feel good.....if im not wrong we need to buy Pro pack even to enable Eco mode.....!!!
Hi Mr. Mehta If you could make the scooter which can be pushed to charging stations less like by more regen and also by giving drums which will improve regen and avoid changing discs for every 6k kms to 10k kms will be cost effective even though your scooters cost 1.70k ex show room I never mind, please do these two things which I mentioned rest of the things are good in your Ather scooters
Please think of present
Congrats on your new punch.ev, GC..... 🎉🎉
The cost is More.Where do you get Power to Charge.The E three wheeler s all local made.All are assembled.Good.
When the Rizta Ride Riviews are happening?
this man is like lion of the jungle, very different POV from any other brands very well know how to tackle indian consumer in term of EV-shift very intelligent GUY. Whtevr will be the car EV market in future but thiss man will win the 2-wheeler market and will make drastic shift in his jungle
After 1 year Im seeing the two OGs together in a podcast... Plz do more 😊😊& with a bit of trash talk on cars, it makes it funny
I have ather 450 x
It’s 1.5 years old
And I driven it over 30,000 km
But only serviced it one time😂
Is it ok or i need to service it every 6 months as ather says??
Yeah, you've probably voided the warranty :/
Very good discussion. I think when we launch a new product..always it is expected atleast all good points available as minimum plus something extra new we get. so, for a scooter ,good seat comfort, ride quality, storage and mileage is a must and considered as a basic. on top of that if someone gives more features it can become successful..but at the same time if any of the minimum feature is missing then it becomes a deal breaker..
existing Family EV scooters with usability wise (storage space, seating space, range, build), in my view River Indie, tvs iqube, Ather ritza are good. I own River Indie.. seating and storage space better than other models, it's my personal opinion. Every scooter has it's own pros and cos. Visit showroom irrespective of any scooter, check the product and take a test drive.. opt for the 1 which suits your requirement.
Saving environment using NMC chemistry!!!!!!
Please start using LFP chemistry in your battery.
Otherwise no point to discuss on saving environment
Have used EV Moped for more than 2 years and for almost 22000 km, My observation:
1. EV two wheelers are definitely good. Product Differentiation based on Low and high power motor and High and low capacity battery would EV two wheeler offering more inclusive by covering all the use cases of an urban two wheeler moped.
2. EV Two wheeler aftermarket repairs and spare parts need to be encouraged as it'\s crazy costly to go with original parts. Like a simple Brake pad costs 700 Rs which is easily available at 350-400 Rs. Same thing for brake levers. In case EV, Considering complexity of Electronics involved, OEM must publish repair manuals.
3. EV Cars are for very small number of people who has monthly 2500+ km usage. Otherwise a good CNG car is more than enough, financially and environmentally.
90 percent three wheeler currently running lead acid battery. Because lead acid battery are chip and old scrap battery value almost 25percent of new battery. Currently 3wheller lead acid battery change cost 30000 and life almost 2.5years
Waste battery ka kya hoga?
Why video cut around 13:45?
What about battery replacement cost? No EV manufacturer is disclosing that cost.
Tarun mehta sir need to take some more session in North side . No need of Ad his podcast or short clip can make difference in View making .
Proudly using EV from past 4 yrs and will switch to Car also in coming years . Till my car grow Older
Tarun sir answer on green energy is answer to Gagan concern which he raised in another video on EV that electricity used by coal as peoduct is not green by EV .
And one lame excuse of minerals used in battery are more exploiting that areas .
You didn't ask him about removable battery?! Whyeee?
bhai sab khel running ka hai as you said in the recovery cost section , if running's low it should be ice all the way
nice and informative pc
Glad you liked it
धन्यवाद भाई लोग 🎉
I started doing job around 9 years back. For 7 years i never bought a bike. But during COVID time, I realised that I needed a 2 wheeler. So i bought an electric scooty. I used it for almost an year. I took it on long rides. I had ridden it in city conditions. From my experience no1 - I learnt the reason why do people buy petrol vehicles. 😂 no2 - I'm not that poor.., that I cannot even manage to buy fuel on a monthly basis. 😅 After this enlightenment Now I bought a 400 cc bike.
Base model price of ather is 17k more than top 125 cc activa.
N reliability is bullshit
Honda ka activa ev aane wala hai uske bare m bhi puchna tha
Just hyped
Bhai log electric kitna tez change ho rha specially comuter segmenetgye chaukane wala he, Me lko se hun aur lucknow ke kafi interiore rehta hun pr yha pr bhi almost har 3sri commuter scooty ola ki he aur har 6 ya 7 vi car MG ki wo choti wali car he, aur E richshaw ne to narak macha hi rkha he
i agree for ola and creepy E rickshaw but bhai ye MG ki vo nano type car kaha dikhti hai lko me , infact tata evs ka jada presene hai currently
@@Adityakumar-mt7lu bhai muzhe bhi bharosa nhi hota ya pata nhi kya he, muzhe munshipulia aur gomtinagar side roz dikhti he, itni to me delhi me nhi dekhi, EV literally commuter segments me chahe bike ho ya macro platform based cars, ye segment age to badh rha he
@@awesommshr13 hmm delivery vale bhi ola use kar rahe ab splendor ko chor ke 😅
Ha bhai delhi me to wo sasti wali ati uhhe use krte he Lko me bhaiya ola se delivery ho rhi he, me nehariya pr jb utarta hun to auto ke sath sath ola scooter wale dikhenge ye puchte hue bhaiya kha jana he... Mtlb mere liye shocking tha ye dekhna
yes tiago and nexon is most popular, ig you are seeing same comet ev again and again on same route, i have also seen white comet in gomti nagar
Market will maintain a ratio....
Why ather is not going for pli scheme and decrease the price of scooter just like ola??
There is no doubt that Ather is doing well in 2 Wheeler EV segment but, the word premium hurts a lot, because Mass customer are give way more volume then the premium customers. So I feel that if Ather can do a quality product for the Mass at the price of Activa ..............then the target of EV market share of 2030, they will achieve it as early as possible.......
Ather has poorest distribution network compared to TVS and Bajaj. In Maharashtra, in more than 15 district centres, still Ather has no presence . In Karad (Maharashtra) major city of western maharashtra, Ather is still not available. More number of evs on Karad road are from Benlin Aura, Bgauss and Okinawa.
बेल्ट कि आवाज कम कर दो, मेरे पास 450 he बहुत आवाज आती है
Where is the link to the white paper?
It is there in the description box of the video
Here you go assets.atherenergy.com/Ather_ICCT_Emissions_Report.pdf
I don't think that ather is 95000 ..
I purchased on 31 march 24..
But its cost me down payment..
24500....emi..4690 for 28 months .
On bill its show 112046.....
Sbsidy pending 14500...still
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Incredible podcast 😊
Thanks for listening
I really like Tarun's personality, simple but knowledgeable. Vikas bhai ne EVs ko neech bola and Tarun came out with statistics and he had to consciously restructure the question to be precise.
Even in the comment section, people are so negative in terms of the reception of EV as a solution. Aur ye woi log hain jinhone kabhi bhi EV na own kia hai na test drive li hai. People need to come out of their bubble and see for themselves that the EV space is not in nascent stage right now. It has significantly matured in last 2-3 years.
Ev is costly. Ev has low range. No skilled 3rd party to repair for cheap. Ev's are highly explosive compared to ICE. Evs are very unreliable. EVs have high carbon footprint hence bad for environment.
Evs are scam.
Dude you really need to up your game. I won't type too much, just humbly suggest you to read/ watch about the carbon emissions and inhumane aspects of extraction of Lithium and Cobalt... It's 60% more polluting than an ICE
@@judgementholder People only care about the "cost savings" part.
They are indirectly proving his point about people falling prey to misinformation and lack of awareness assets.atherenergy.com/Ather_ICCT_Emissions_Report.pdf
I have two questions for Tarun or can answer by other two jigrees 👬 @autoyogi & @gagan ....
1. The magic twist which he introduced on 450 and now on rizta can effect on motor in any terms on long run ? Saying 3 years/ 30K is fine ... ?
2. Does slow charger increased battery life ? Sorry i does not have engineering background but trying to standard comparing with cellphone batteries .....
Video editing thora achha karlo sir..
Jaise ke questions ka puch na likh le te?
13:30 - the penetration of electric 2 wheeler is low because of two reasons:
1) Need for longer distances of commute, especially for migrant labourers.
2) Poor road infrastructure at local level.
Solutions can be hybrid bikes that can be used on electric locally and on fuel for long distance ride.
@@aditya.k.kochhar no space for meaningful battery size on scooter level if it is hybrid. If you say that in future battery tech will advance, then it will do so for EV also, the bike getting 100km today will get 200km tomorrow, makes hybrid in scooter totally moot
also the battery life on hybrid will be worse because of how frequently it is cycled in traffic (1 cycle = 100-0-100), avg ev scooter 1 cycle = 100km, you can drive 50000km+ on original battery before range starts reducing.
All good but whats the issue with center stand in EV's, Iske sang sautala vyahaar kyun ?
i guess you should also do a Bhavesh Agarwal's interview and see what's his take on EV!
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I have the idea for hill hold advertising.
Any information regarding battery recycling?? And ideas around battery waste management???
Also will i be able to buy motorcycle in the next 5-8 years considering govt and the market would prove it to be a niche 😭
@@user-wj5lw1rn5p
Spent up battery can be used as home electricity storage. Batteries that suffer electrical or any other damage, can be replaced at individual cell level. With minimal efforts, all battery cells are fully recyclable to be build into newer cells - this is much better than mining for new materials.
Fossil fuel vehicles aren't going anywhere, but they aren't the future. When compact batteries can give you more mileage per tank and charge in about 15 minutes from 20% to 80% with 150-180 km of range in that 60% of range, you won't be riding a fuel scooter/motorcycle anymore. Scooter still give you about 200km of range with
@@meetankush bhai tu 3 baje kya kar rha hai??
I think there are few startups working in this recycling area.
Points for Tarun - You got free advice from one of the industry's finest. You definitely need to make edu-adverts 20 seconds each for advanced "SUV style" features in two wheelers. At least 6 such ads explaining one feature in under 20 seconds. Think of how short Zoo-Zoo ads worked for Vodafone.
2 features that are relevant for youth. 2 features relevant for older women - fallsafe, manually limiting speed. 2 features for older men - bigger boot for stuff, charging woes in emergency situations.