You Had to Be Strong Just to Wear the Armor as a Viking
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- čas přidán 8. 03. 2012
- Learn from Viking Warfare experts (Kelle and Gernot Longbow) about their armour and the gear that they wear in combat: chain-mail, belt, arm gear, shield, and the sword. They name all the clothing elements, describing what they're made of and how they work.
The Vikings claimed that their swords were indestructible. That's probably a bit of a stretch. But they must have been nearly indestructible to allow the Vikings to wreak so much havoc and destruction. This webisode is connected to our full episode Inside the Berlin Island Museums (Pergamon and Neues) where there is a longer segment on viking swords.
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"Oi mate. Could you get my war axe from the back of the toyota? Thanks."
lol
Olá
Honestly that is reality for re-enactors. Long spears and polearms are the worst, especially when trying to squeeze them into a small car!
Don’t think any Australian would have a Dane axe on the back of a car 😂.
They arent Australian, you knob.
My cousin is off fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty...
More time for sweetrolls then...
*****
Everything for the Emperor of Emperors! >:]
Whats that texture pack for the ebony armor in your pic?
OregonGreen Steel plate armor xP
maybe a dragon will come to you
"Kelle and his son are ready to do battle" the video ends......
lmfao true
They died in that battle as did all the Vikings
Spawn well they didn't die, they just changed their life style
Andrwik Fernandez true that they stop raiding and became civilized
Ready to "do" battle. Lol, I dont know why that cracks me up.
"You have to be strong" we carry the same if not more weight in the military but the big thing is weight distribution. Just like old equipment like with vikings, the weight is distributed pretty evenly which helps cut down on user fatigue. Also, plate armor isn't as heavy as one would think either, there's videos showing men wearing it doing cartwheels and such. Quite interesting
and you'll have water and food as part of the kit you carry, all that they left back with the baggage train
Tbf modern soldiers also need to be strong to carry that much weight too.
Modern soldiers 100% have to carry more weight, even if ur considering that they are bigger n stronger today they still have to carry more relative to their bodyweight.
Depends on the type of plate armor, some were so heavy you literally couldn't stand in it.
Plate armor can sometimes be lighter than maile too. I've worn japanese armor and it was lighter than my costume suit.
The hardness about the vikings was not necessarily their battles, but also their journey across the seas. They were not the best warriors but they were very very persistent and strong. To be able to cross the seas in the ships they had, demanded more than one can imagine. I have tried, and it is very painfull.
I do not get why this video is titled the way it is... All around their gear is around 40Lb. That sounds like a lot, but it is distributed pretty evenly, so it will add very little fatigue to any one area.
My experiance with maille is that even with a belt it still sits very heavily on the shoulders and moves alot when you do, throwing off your balance a little. Add to that the sword and shield which aren't heavy until you've been holding and moving them for an extended period. All the little things add up and carrying that extra weight I've found does sap the strength pretty fast, if you are not accustomed to it.
Yeah I do get that. My summer job involves extensive trailblazing around the 100 mile wilderness of Maine (USA). My load out consist of about 5Lb of blades (Machete, ax, large field knife, and smaller utility fixed blade), a large chain saw when I am unlucky, and maybe even a 3ish pound scythe. When I am using a chain saw I wear Kevlar chaps that are 5ish or so pounds. On top of those I wear light plate armor that I made over my lower legs to help deflect a machete or ax hit. I generally will have a harness over my upper body to help carry gear and maybe use rope. Also I will have a bag with water, rope, tools, what ever I may need.
All in all it is about 30 pounds of gear when I get out of my car, or boat, and I may do a mile or more of walking. When I set up a little area to work from when I get there, I will end up with about 10-20 Lb of gear on me when moving through the brush. All in all what makes me tired is my 1.5 Lb machete with a 10+ inch balance point, and that scythe when it is needed.
I can see it as over whelming to someone who is not used to it. It is even hard for me the first week I start up every year. But after a while I feel it just becomes a part of the normal.
Modern infantry carries over 60 lbs, about as much as a full set of plate armor. Vikings had it relatively easy.
100nitrog yes, 60lbs of padded straps, nice cotton fabrics, ergonomic design. medieval equipment is very rough in comparison, so i would say that the modern infantry has it much easier. plus the vikings didnt have the ability to sue for compensation after a battlefield injury, or being bullied during training, like today's pussies
MrKbonez O go and quite your complaining. Carrying 60 Lb of gear in a hot dry clement, under constant threat of being shot, is no easy task. Being bullied in training, or sue for injury? Soldiers have a hard enough time getting medical coverage in a timely manner after injury. Have you ever been in the arm forces? How many family members of yours are in? You seem to not know much because any one familiar with military gear knows that they use Kevlar over Cotton mostly.
I do not agree with the politics that lead these seemingly pointless wars, but cut the poor pawns some slack.
To this day, Kelle and his son are still protecting us. Thank you, fearless Warlords
from the dragons
@@eduardhagiu9836 and mass immigration
Video stops before the battle. That's cruel!
***** Hahaha thanks :D
+the oncoming storm Do you know if there are any more videos of these guys sparring? They're fantastic to watch fighting, I'd love to see more.
that's not cruel, it's a mercy. The bullshit these guys do in their "fighting" videou would get them killed in 5 seconds against someone who has any idea what they are doing. Hell, I could do it without breaking a sweat, and I'm not even good. I'd probably breake the old guys arm, too, just to be mean...
Jakub Fabisiak ahahaha
If you fought an old man who was a swordmaster
You would be dead before you drew your sword
And if you put guns in this
Then your merciful and an asshole
@@shadowdeslaar no he has a point these dudes fighting video is the two of them charging into each other and bashing each other with dumb strikes with no regard for their own safety.
Most people enjoy being alive and remaining such, this goes for the people of that period too. These two are full of it.
hate it when movies show ppl just wearing chainmail without any padding under. then the mail is almost useless, the force of a strike will transfair right into the chains and then right into your body. while padding will help neturalize the force.
Markus Johansen right, it's still like getting hit by a big heavy iron bar
Enig.
penalcrack Normally they have thin shirts under. Doesn't count as 'padding'.
There's actually some debate as to whether or not vikings wore padding under their armour. Common sense would suggest they did since cloth armour was already a thing, but unlike other types of armour mention of it is curiously absent in the sagas. So it's possible - however stupid it would be - that they just wore the mail over their normal clothes without any padding underneath.
@@NoeLPZC They had furs and cloaks. Not as good as padded armor, but that is three loose layers of thickish, and relatively sturdy, material. I've handled animals and even modern clothing is a lot better at protecting from bites and scratches than many people would assume. An old school flax tunic, then chains and furs, then cloak would be pretty difficult to cut through and not too bad as a shock absorber.
It is also important to remember that most fighting involved much shallower and less impactful wounds than most people would think. People weren't being spitted on spears or having their heads caved in by maces for the most part. It was mostly getting a few inches in the abdomen or getting clipped hard enough to crack the skull that put you out. So Vikings weren't equipped too poorly for the lightning raids against the largely unarmed peasantry and clergy they preferred.
look at all these viking experts......
Gordon Freeman im just wondering: "How the fuck do you know?" to most of the comments..
Gordon Freeman it's well known that many Vikings did not wear much armor and mainly relied on shock and awe on under defended towns for the greatest success, I mean search it up and do your own research
Will Perez
It`s a popular well known "stereotype", utter bullshit. Vikings wore armor just as any other warrior, shields, swords, etc. The guy`s you are referring to are the order of warriors among the vikings called "Berserkir", those were the ones who didn`t fear death and used to jump into battle with nothing rags on them, or sometimes completely naked even. Looking up a webpage, accepting everything it says is not "doing your own research".
Yea it's almost as if you can do research without having a degree.
@@whennever8202 Well no. Most vikings weren't nearly wealthy enough to buy/own a sword or even chainmail. The only reason mail is so popular amongst reenactors is, because it keeps people safe.
that's legit one of the most misleading titles ive ever heard, he never even says anything to make it sound as if its unusually heavy
it is heavy, its like 22kg of gear on the bigger guy (not counting any other supplies like food or bedding they have to carry) walk a few days in that if you are weak and see what happens
Such a bizarre comment, in 3 years only one person replied with logical sense - yes it is very heavy, the chain mail alone being close to 15kg is testament to that, not to mention everything else.
fight with 20+kg on you for a few hours and try not to die, let's see how ''light'' that armour is
@@khalil7011 isnt that just like light infantry nowadays
@@cykablyat6348 so light infantry arent strong?
swords were the side arm of the age not the primary weapon. Axes and spears were byfar more common.
Sword and shield were still a pretty effective combination, the shield allowing to defend yourself from pole weapons while you advance towards your ennemy and get to a point where a shorter weapon actually has the advantage.
Matt Easton did a video on the topic called "swords as primary weapon". You should definitely check it out.
How common was the combination ? I have to admit I have found no information at all... Do you have some ?
Hexapowa not a single soruce historical evidance in muliltiple dig sites find spears and axes to be far more common. we know swords were expensive they are simply rarer. not saying they were not effective but few people had tham and those who did used them sparingly viking didnt have much in the way of steel eithor, they had iron and iron blades were more the rich mans weapon. the thing that made the roman army so insanely awesome was the fact everyone had a sword that idea was rare in there era. not to mention would you rather a 6 foot poll with a 1 foot spear head bwtween you and your enemies or a 17inch blade when you wear little armor? cause thats is about all vikings had as swords until the 12th century and they wernt around much longer then that.
swords weren't side arms they were just as common but they still used it even if it is for cutting but you could use a certain...pommel to kill off the front lines
Julian Medina dont underestimate the pommel😂😂😂
Axes weren't used as primary weapons if you had a sword. Spears were of course the most common, and then you'd have a sword as a sidearm if you could afford it. If not, you'd have an axe as a sidearm.
Wearing armour doesn't require strength.. However, fighting for hours on end in an actual battle garbed in anything from chain to plate armour, requires both strength and endurance.
And I just love these couch expert marine fans going "Hah, military gear is much heavier". Yes, it is... but they don`t engage in raw meele combat with swords and axes for fucking hours or even days.
You don't have to be particularly strong to wear mail (as it's called originally. Chainmail is a modern term. Not incorrect or anything, just not what was used originally.) Strength honestly plays a very small role in wearing it. Your physical endurance is what matters. How long you could actually wear a weight on your shoulders mattered more than being able to lift a lot, for obvious reasons. Also, more often than not, from the period their armor and weapons are from, hand protection wasn't really a thing outside of a shield or a hand guard. Sometimes mail gloves were added to the ends of the sleeves, but not commonly. Lastly, the son's mail isn't accurate to history. It is thin and not riveted, which is far from how proper mail is made.
Maille
In this case, it was originally (and here still is) called brynje. But yeah, 100% agree. Jason Kingsley from Modern History has a wonderful video about wearing it for a day, and explains that he barely noticed the extra weight.
Physical endurance is what matters with armor in general, indeed. Sincerely pleasant to see someone knowing about the subject. However, having a belt or a way to distribute some weight on waist really eases it on shoulders, which is quite important knowing how arms were involved in battle.
About the son’s shirt: There is historical precedence for butted mail, but not from the time of the Vikings and not in Scandinavia. The only examples of butted mail we have from Europe were a few Roman shirts as well as some finds in Turkey. Most butted mail historically has been from Asia. So not wrong, but not completely accurate either
The rusty iron links in the face would not feel, smell, or taste good
sometimes a ring would be beaten into your face
@@wensongliang1905
I never understood the purpose of protecting your face with mail as opposed to plate. Is it because its easier to see and breathe through?
@@viktorthevictor6240 maybe it’s more flexible?
@@RazzlyCrunch
Of course, but faces don't bend as much as a torso. Mail without padding doesn't offer much protection against blunt attacks, and it also takes away vision as opposed to an open face helmet. I just don't see the need for a flexible faceplate.
@@viktorthevictor6240 First of all, plate armor was really expensive majority of the poor couldn't been able to afford that. Second, the face is very essential your sight and ears and many of their opponents would slash leaving your permanet scars. Without them you're practically dead without even getting the feel of blade going through u
you do realise this weighs a hell of allot less than the gear modern day soldiers carry into combat (western soldiers anyway)
+Farrell 494 Ye, they aren't trying to stop bullets or protect themselves from explosives. Chainmail wasn't exactly great protection, it could still be pierced. Plate mail had not yet been invented so shields were primarily your protection against arrows. As for their other supplies, it would have been carried on mules or horses etc. If in a small band you would simply hunt and live off the land while travelling for days, weeks or even months, you would sleep and wake up with your armor on. Modern day soldiers get supply drops from helicopters when they run low and get extracted to base camp when in critical injury and rightly so, we have technology now and we should utilize it.
+Farrell 494 just reminder that is the armor only, so imagine a supply package back then, if they not bring supply cart.
+Farrell 494 not putting modern soldiers down, but their fighting style is undeniably less physical.
IamHueGraves different- yes, less physical- no
***** in what possible way is fighting today as physical as fighting with sword and shield? again, of course they're very physical, but it can't be as much as it used to be
Mail shirt isn't that heavy, especially after you distribute the weight evenly between the shoulders and hips.
That guys can't even get their armor rust free...
so you think you can defeat oxydation ?
Colonel Dick Faggotson keep it buffed and well oiled
+Ó Slatraigh You don't have to keep maille oiled. When you wear it, the rust will actually shake off just fine!
Aedalor you dont have to, but you can :D
CZcams: We see you like Valheim so here's some vikings
And on that long walk down the dark road they can across a silver man clad head to toe in steel plate..a large build with hulking shoulders and helm polished to a mirror shine..neither man nor men yielded the road and thus ..a battle ensued
Everyone roll initiative.
+kwintin1000 *rolls a critical fail* You throw your sword off to the side killing a lonely old lady going on a walk..... Add 10 xp
HoneyTicklesWorth gonna use a charisma roll to shout at the top of my lungs "Sorry!"
DO A BARREL ROLL!
Max Silva Roll d20 for charisma.
I love these types of videos. History is awesome Vikings are legends.
I fight in 20 kg of maille and a 5 kg spangenhelm for 2 hours every Friday. I'm not particularly strong.
Spangenhelm is 16 gauge for steel fighting and the maille isn't a shirt, it's a full coat.
It's butted kings maille.
The aventails add weight to the helm.
Or you shouldn't have made assumptions about something you've never seen. :D
I don't remember you borrowing my kit?
Alan Taylor
Well you wrote about it...and you said you use butted mail which is shit and wasn't used back then.
I remember when I was kid I've always wanted a real fookin sword and then when i was like 14 years old i finally could afford a sword. I bought a cheap simple sword for 160 bucks at a medieval market and my friend bought one too. Then with no idea about how sword fighting actually works, we just started to wield the swords at each other. Of course we would wear 2 pullovers and a thick winterjacket over it plus 3 or 4 pairs of jeans, to protect us from the blows. But we didnt wear gloves and hand injuries were part of it 🤣 Doesn't take a minute. So that guy in the video is right when he talks about hand injuries can relate to that 🤣🤣 The guard of the sword saved my hand many 100 times tho.
Thank you!!! Finally someone actualy knows the original chainmail was riveted
Really awesome a father arming his son & teaching his craft.
My father only armed himself with his sandals as I ran for cover behind the sofa.
Thanks for reminding me of that video. I watched this guys' videos a while ago, and I always liked them because of his convenient points on many historical aspects. :)
You are right that the weight is distributed on the hips and the shoulders, like the video here suggests. The belt certainly makes a difference. I'm not saying that single-layered chainmail would be that cumbersome. But platemail seems more balanced to me, as it's weight is distributed more evenly over the entire body.
His son is with the mason order!!!
Is this some kind of meme or I'm just too ignorant?
+Gabo Derflinger it's from a game 😉😉
Richie Jordan Ohh I was actually trying to find some weird signal or behaviour that could mean something, I feel really dumb now.
Gabo Derflinger Damn you and your profile pic. i thought it was a hair on my screen and started blowing it.
Actually, The Mason Knight was based off of Varangian Gaurds more than Vikings.
That is so freakin cool. I can't wait to till my set of gear is complete.
"RIVETED chainmail" that's so nice
Not necessarily. Though Theon's skill at archery and his commentary about how the Iron Islanders have quite a number of proficient archers certainly helps with the interpretation, since the bow was the preffered weapon of the vikings whenever they fought ship-to-ship combat, and they are partially credited with bringing the bow to the British Isles.
Their last name is Longbow... FRIGGIN "LONGBOW"
That is so coooooooooool
Can you imagine doing this as a living.. dreams come true sometimes.
Chainmail is actually quite comfortable and weight gets distributed evenly if it is well made so it doesnt feel heavy at all in fact you barely feel it after getting used to it
I remember watching this as a kid and thinking about how heavy that shit was, now I think, that’s not that much more heavy that’s my kit
Actually the shield is more Important because Vikings believed that their sheiks is stronger than their sword
cool, good point about the belt.
I really enjoyed the video 😁
that chainmail looks like it has not seen a sand tumbler in a while
Sand tumbling this type of thing is not a good idea, since it's not rust resistant.
Oil or grease only. Avoid water and only use water if necessary, dry off with direct sunlight or via a heater.
It varies as in all cases, there is finds where there has been used chain mail and scale armor (I'm not sure about the last one). However the likelihood of every warrior being able to afford this or even wanting this (As you said it is heavy) is very low. In all likelihood they wore just gambessons or perhaps just hardened leather (the same goes for the helmets, there is finds of metal but very few). If a warrior was equipped like the ones in the video they were likely a chieftain or king.
This video reminds me of that modern day section in Assassins Creed Valhalla.. I was playing as a viking then I was looking around a cabin in the Woods and stared at a van there.
This brought a smile to my face...I absolutely love European history and armor designs.
Alright sweet, I'm gonna go play the new Assassins Creed now
to be armed and armored so well you would have to be a late viking age noble man
+Kaaxe Not very late age and Housecarls also had this kind of equipment. Later equipment for the nobles included a hardened leather lamellar cuirass over the mail, with steel langeted armbands and boots
Reminds me of the first time I wore "full-battle-rattle". It takes a lot of getting used to. On average carrying about 40% of my body weight in helmet, body armor, weapon, ammo...
Nice video!!
Didn’t catch in the beginning that the other guy was his son 😂 I thought his wife just had very strong features 😂
18 kilos of armor isn't that bad really because of how it sits on your shoulders and hips. Most people can handle that though you would obviously get tired more quickly.
Ian Hollier
Not more so than todays soldiers.
Pontus Welin the soldiers today are not using shields nor axes and sword
Sexgudjoel No, but they carry assault rifles that weight about as much as a sword and a shield put together.
during my enlistment my average carry weight was 80lbs but could be upwards of 120 depending on the mission. but no matter what I would have my 20 pound armor, 7 pound rifle, and my pack with radio and batteries and other essentials weighing around 60lbs. also had to be able to run in it all, a mile or more sometimes.
Have you tried sparring for 5 minutes? Have you tried sparring for 10 minutes? To walk such distances and participate in battle would be extremely tiring in a naked body, but, trust me, those 18 kilos make it significantly harder.
Must say it its awsomly cool. I am from turkey and old empire of ottomans were wearing the 2nd helmet but its a bit similiar but not the same
I was prepared to watch an hour of this when it ended
It's funny to watch this when you actually know a bout armor
Fixed title: *You Had to Be Strong Just to Wear the Armor as a Noble Viking*
Didn't have to be a noble. Just a soldier.
That Viking car is dope!
probably just the one i saw in movies... :D well cool vid bro keep i coming.. :D
These guys are rich as fuck vikings to afford chainmail
Stefan Blandin Or killed a saxon noble and took it!
Stefan Blandin they are notorious for raiding english settlements
not all Vikings bought their chainmail some actually forged it themselves
+Tommy Holm Or looted it.
+Stefan Blandin These guys are rich as fuck now, Riveted chainmail is REALLY expensive
nothing says "historically accurate" like butted maille and leather armor lol
The maille isn't butted, he mentions in the video it's riveted. It's hard to tell the difference with round maille, but when it zooms in you can see the flattened areas and the dome rivets through them. But yeah, leather armor in that sense is more of a 13th/early-mid 14th century thing.
The thing that most sticks out to me though is the gambesons, not only the armpit holes but the fact that they're there at all when we had no evidence for quilted textile armors for vikings, they'd rather wear one or multiple thick tunics.
Usually, yes, your carry it on a shoulder strap until you need to fire it. Which is opposed to chainmail, where a belt around your waist helps distribute weight.
This is exciting!
In general, when you could you would go armed in battle. It greatly increased your chances of survival. However, when a descent armou costed the equivalent of today's luxury cars, the less money you had the less you could afford an armour. Also the more far away you travelled the more troublesome to carry around heavy armoury. Vickings did distant surprise seaborn raids, mostly against defenseless villages and towns so really had less need for armour and more need to have empty space for loot!
viking shields were much bigger than those things they were about 80 cm in diameter
+nathan wallacw Thats a normal round shield one of the most common viking shields if you see big shields in hollywood movies it doesnt mean they are real
Some vikings used shields that covered from their necks to their knees, those shields would be among the smallest ever found.
In fact a viking shield would cover at a minimum your torso.
And thinner at least by half.
To start-- the only Viking-age maille shirt found in Scandinavia, from Gjermundbu. Most common ring diameter was 7.7mm (with a few outliers both larger and smaller), with wire centering around 1.3-1.4mm, outliers from 1.09 to 1.68mm. This does not a 30-40 pound haubergeon make.
Birka find- wide range of sizes, but most rings have a diameter of between 8.6 and 12.5mm, the most common wire being 1.5 and 1.7mm.
Coppergate- 7.67-7.86mm diameter, 1.07-1.16mm wire.
I can pull up more if you'd like
I remember putting chain mail on at a school trip to a museum when I was a little kid and it was pretty heavy
1. There is no evidence that Vikings wore gambesons.
2. Those rings appear to be 14g, 3/8" ID rings, which are 95% ahistorical and much heavier than extant examples.
3. The gear of a modern US soldier is heavier than what the Vikings would have worn.
true, but re point 1, there is also 150 years during the viking age when only left-footed shoes have been uncovered by archaeology. Therefore, for 150 years, vikings all had only left legs.
TheBaconWizard
I for one, trust the wisdom of the Bacon Wizard!
Vikings had access to whatever armor their enemies had after a successful raid einstein. That includes gambesons.
Chainmail without padding is useless. Everyone everywhere in history who wore chainmail also wore a gambeson of some sort.
@Wá nax defenitely. Not sure about lorica segmentata
How the hell did such a stupid title end up on a video that wasn't bullshit like one would expect with a title like that. Mail is heavy but the weight gets distributed around the body. Anyone of a reasonable fitness level could wear and fight in it. At what point in the video did it discuss how you had to be really strong just to wear mail?
You are a Raider Legendary
I love how he says Gambeson
I know where I can get the chainmail and a helmet. where can I get the clothes?
I make clothes like that, send an email at lindazwamp@hotmail.com
I don't have the money at the moment I only have enough for the chainmail and the helmet.
HairyViking111
Just sew your own clothes, it is not hard, i am 14 years old and i have made my own chainmail and sewn my own clothes.
Linda Zwamp I trade ya ten seashells of the finest grade for one of your garments
MrHestichs
Yeah indeed, its way easier then people think it is. You just need patience
Blood eagle to all who disliked this video!
Forgedinsuffering lol seeing a lot of vikings are we?
A magnificent idea!
After learning how the chain mail is made, I have more respect for ancient artistry...
as someone who wears maille myself. its very heavy but once its on you it spreads very evenly so its not actually too heavy. also swords were only really for the norse aristocracy. spears were a much more common and effective weapon
CARADOC?
@@jasperluke12 BEAR MAN??
(If you see anything I said 8 months ago then please don’t take me for someone smart) I wasn’t
One does not simply "Fus Ro Dah"
FunnyAsSin Skyrim is not Viking you assfuck !
Michael Blood Lazarus but it kind of is. some of the boats have a viking style and the werewolf place is the shape of of a viking boat with shields everywhere. vikings did this as well
Michael Blood Lazarus yes though it's dealing with magic and wizards and vampires and shit theres.still a viking presence
Zac Young God of war is even closer lol
Skyrim is basically a big nonsensical mix of many different cultures, myths and legends. Pretty dope tho...
They use hokey gloves, yet the vikings did not have any hand protection/gauntlets. Neither did they feel the need to forge bigger guards on their swords...so definately something is off here.
Its so they can practice sword fighting without breaking their hands all the fucking time
You still seem to miss the point- If breaking your hand was an issue, the Nords would have come up with smth for several hundred years, dont you think? Obviously it was not a threat
Dovahkiin Dragonshout
Its possible that they had something like this to protect their hands but you can practice without protection if you like, means you can't hit each other hard and well
zupergozer I am still not sure, m8. From waht I've seen/read about the viking age they didnt have gloves. Now, for a culture skilled in metalworking producing mail gloves wouldnt have been a problem. What I am saying is this- these are the facts (note taht ppl were not retarded) - if things didnt change for hundreds of years they probably worked great. We cant force things we are yet to fully understand into our models, just because it is easier that way.
+Dovahkiin Dragonshout the hands is one of the most common places to get hit
Just learned more history from this video than I ever have learned from the History Channel
My favorite sport. 💪
Shield are too small.
+SkeulIz normal round shields
Alexandros grivas they are from my research on the small side but still accurate
I highly doubt most vikings could afford chainmail
+GamingTaylor From reading wikipedia (not very knowledgeable on Vikings myself):
"According to custom, all free Norse men were required to own weapons and were permitted to carry them all the time. These arms were indicative of a Viking's social status: a wealthy Viking had a complete ensemble of a helmet, shield, mail shirt, and sword. A typical bóndi (freeman) was more likely to fight with a spear and shield, and most also carried a seax as a utility knife and side-arm.
...
The difficulty of obtaining mail armour resided in the fact that it required thousands of interlinked iron rings, each one of which had to be individually riveted together by hand.[2] As a result, mail was very expensive in early medieval Europe, and would likely have been worn by men of status and wealth." (all seems adequately sourced)
Seems like chain-mail was more of a wealthy man's armor rather than completely widespread. Makes sense...
+Awale Abdi "As a result, mail was very expensive in early medieval Europe, and would likely have been worn by men of status and wealth." You quoted it yourself, chainmail was only really rare in the early medieval ages. These guys don't have to roleplay/re-enact from that period.
Also, fun fact I noticed. The text mentions 'bóndi (freeman)'. Bonde is actually modern Swedish for farmer. I'd bet a raiding viking would more likely get himself a set of chainmail, compared to a farmer.
+SHATORR well when one would go Viking they would have what they could afford . if the were rich they had maille. if not they had textile armour. ie gambeson .
bóndi (freeman)
Bóndi translates to farmer... Not freeman...
Going viking makes you a shit ton of money though, that is literally why they did it.
Their name is... Longbow? You literally could NOT make it sound more medieval/viking than this.
This is perfect.
Me standing outside a barrow, talking to the draugr and necromancer inside, re-equipping my heavy armor set
Just lol at the title:
14kg chain mail, 20kg total armour weight tops is NOT a lot. Modern soldiers have to run wearing 45kg (all the weight on the back, not evenly distributed). Plate armour from medieval period weighed up to 50kg.
Might seem a lot to a modern couch potato but any active healthy male over 10 years old would have no trouble with the weight of this armour.
medieval plate armour wasnt even that heavy. what was really heavy were the jousting armours, but they were essentially highly specialise sports wear, nothing worn in combat.
And modern soldiers don't have to be strong?
Gilmaris I said modern soldiers carried twice as much weight, how does that imply modern soldiers don't have to be strong?
Jim Giant You scoffed at the notion that vikings had to be strong in order to wear that armour. One would expect the example that followed next to involve average or weak people; not strong people. An example involving physically strong soldiers has absolutely no bearing on the argument, because what you're saying is, "you don't need to be strong to wear that, because strong people can carry even bigger loads". Well, that's neither here nor there.
The title of the video is "You Had to Be Strong *Just to Wear the Armor* as a Viking"
This implies that even walking in the armour requires good physical strength so fighting in it would require near super human ability.
To make such a big deal of Viking strength also implies that they are superior in strength to their modern counterparts hence why I brought them up.
If there are millions of people in the world who can not only carry over twice as much as you but run for miles on end with it then you are not strong.
This isn't to imply that Vikings weren't strong or didn't need to be strong, just that you don't need to be strong *just to wear* their armour.
Trust me you have to have a fair amount of strength to wear chain and fight. Being in the SCA I have fought many times in nothing but chain and it will wear you out quick. They also didn't have the need to wear anything but chain because of their fighting techniques. They were some of the first gorilla style fighters there were. Because of their travels they had access to all kinds of armor but what they used suited their needs.
I didn’t know Vikings were playing hockey back then brutal
the french used to wear the chainmail in between the tunic and the gambeson/aketon. its the same amount of protection. exept it gives off a different aestetic
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NOT HISTORICALLY ACCURATE CHAINMAIL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Mike Vike yeah lol and they are over exaggerating the weight, chain mail doesn’t weigh 18 kilos 😂
Things Vikings didnt had: Gambesons, Hand Protection, Small Shields (Those found where 90 to 120cm)
Kater Störenfried Agreed- I remember reading something like the smallest shield discovered from the Viking age was 75cm in diameter or something- I recently made one about 95cm in diameter- it covers your whole body from knee to neck when you hold it in front of you- nothing like the tiny dinner-plates these guys are using.
Vikings didn't have gambesons? What did they use under mail? Nothing?
As far as i know they used either nothing or some extra layers of cloth. The Rus had sometjing gambeson-like. But i could be wrong. We know fairly little about the early middle ages. But gambesons like those used in the video are from the ca. 12. Century.
Mining Forge hah! Im currently building a roundshield of the same diameter :)
Kater Störenfried The reality is we don't know. Gambesons are a popular theory, I wouldn't discount them as "didn't have", when the reality is more like "inconclusive". And that goes for all viking armors. Literally all of them. We don't have enough evidence to conclusively support anything. The cloths and cottons are just as speculative as the gambesons by the way, there's nothing to support them either. They're all good guesses though, the Vikings had an array of linen and wool, the materials traditionally used in a gambeson. We know they had "vápntreyja", and that nearly confirms some sort of clothing besides armors and leathers, we just don't know what it is. Gambesons are loosely defined, they're basic to construct, the Vikings would have ran into them in the late to mid 11th century, and they're made of materials the Vikings were known to have and use. Their winter clothing might even have been similar to a gambeson in it's ability to defend the wearer, there's really no information out there because such materials don't last in a grave. Anyhow, there's not enough information to say they didn't, and as far as guesses go gambesons aren't a bad guess for the mid 11th to early 12th century vikings. Neither is winter clothing, or many of the other cloth materials, but to say gambesons are out of the question is just silly at this point.
I make riveted chainmail, WD 1.2mm (before flattening, meaning that after flattening it is ~1x1.5mm), ID 7-8mm. I've seen in museums even thinner wire, but also thicker. However, most mail made of thick wire has a much bigger ring ID, meaning significantly less rings and therefore smaller weight compared to the wire thickness.
This is awesome
Holy shit. That son must have women literally throwing themselves at him. Fucking gorgeous, strong, and sword fights? Jesus!
+therebinthe Nobody gives a shit about sword fighting.
D K9 false!
"you had to be strong just to wear viking armor"
Boy this is so stupid, by that logic warriors in the middle east were stronger due to wearing 2 coats of mail or wearing mail with lamellar armor. essentially viking armor isnt unique or especially heavy. all this stupid viking hype needs to stop
just because its heavy doesint mean they are weak dumbass you think the weight is everything... you have to be mobile om the battlefield... if they were very heavy they cant run and they will dir very quickly... besides vikings are the strongest
"Vikings are the strongest"
Wow, that is the least academic and provable statement i have heard in a while. If anything, heavy armor is very useful and effective due to warriors from the middle east (cataphracts/mamlukes) and western european warriors (knights) being very effective. When the vikings invaded andalus, they only succeeded when they attacked weak towns and villages. When they finally faced the andalusian army in a fair battle, all 16000 vikings were slaughtered. All 3 invasions of andalus by the vikings were destroyed. Now i dont hate vikings, they were actually good warriors. But saying vikings were the best and could kill anyone is bullshit due to the lack historical evidence we have about vikings. We dont know anything about their martial arts, or even if they had one.
Noah Sabouni 1 you say this because your middle east 2 you cant just say vikings swedish vikings for example were the best traders in the world probably the norwegian discovoree america
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vikings had the best weapons look up ulfberthr its a legendary sword
4 we are the best sailors
5 norse men can easier tolerate cold
6 we had big variety of weapons
7 we were all over the world if it wasint for the christanity norce mythology whould rule by now
8 we were th biggest people in that time
9 we were the cleanest folk
do i need to say more..? i have plenty of more things if you w i s h
and its a reason vikings lived so north its because we were explorers and middle east... hhahahHahhaha
Noah Sabouni seems like you got owned
glima is a viking martial art
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"You may now kiss the bride" haha
Imagine just chilling in a forest and then see these two coming towards you
As some people have pointed out, most Vikings would have used axes, not swords. Axes require less skill to forge, less metal, are less expensive, and are also used as a tool, so they are a more practical weapon for vikings. Also, chain mail was rarely worn- anyone who's tried making chain mail will know why- it takes hundreds of man hours to create a single shirt- it was therefor something ridiculously expensive and worn only by the wealthy and those of high status- thus, 90% of your average every-day vikings would not be wearing mail into battle- some historians argue they wore no armour at all, just their linen clothes and some hardened leather, when they raided Saxony and Normandy. So your average viking had an axe, no armour and if he was wealthy enough to afford one/picked one from a dead corpse on his raids, an iron helmet.
***** Yep, agree with you- by axe I was referring to a one-handed axe, like a hatchet- commonly used with a shield.
***** It was an Anglo-Saxon law put in place before Alfred the Great. All men of Wessex and Mercia were required to join the "Fyrd" (militia) when summoned by their shire-reeve or lords.
King Dormak As to my knowledge, I cannot recall there ever been a finding of leather armour in viking burial graves or any records of it in history- leather armour seems like the logical option if chain mail is too expensive, but there are no historical records of vikings wearing leather armour.
Mining Forge Well not that unlikely considering leather is organic and wouldn't hold up that much better in the ground than the person's own skin. It might last a few decades more, but not 900 years more.
Rhynome Very true- I'm just stating the facts, there's no archaeological evidence of leather armour, you think even scraps of it would survive in a burial mound for example, but that's also a possibility.
But I think even if leather armour was worn, it would still be rare, the majority of vikings did not wear armour- the shield was the primary defence, it protected a man from the neck to the knee- shields were cheap, armour was expensive, it was cost that was the deciding factor- I'm sure every viking would have loved a suit of mail, but whether they could afford one is a different matter.
Yeah right... millionaire 'Viking' perhaps. Or wait, there where no 'Viking', only 'Northmen'.
Look at me im so fucking educated no one else knows they weren't called vikings
I was reffering to wouter
Alright wormhole we're square
Thanks, I'll see you next time you self centered smart ass.
You are all replying to a two year old comment.
Just saying.
I guess, but what im saying is just some quick reaserch i did exept for the thing about them being described as giant deamons, that i saw in an actuall scroll in a museum. Pretty cool.
Eivor wearing his armor behind the scenes.
i made my own chain mail gambeson, its so heavy, without a belt i could only stand to wear it for ~10mins and thats just standing/walking. Although i didn't work out at the time.
Those dudes are ready to Ragnarok
you are right, my mistake, I was mixed up with the basic metal suits such as the one the Greeks and Romans(and others) used to wear, but the chain or the lamellar or leather top was superior for the viking's fighting style.
That's awesome he does this stuff with his son.
Those shields look remarkably smaller than they should be
Wow that was very cool
The Katana is designed to be thing/light/easy to swing and require technique over strenght. The Broadswords were used alot more as blunt and pierce over swinging. To knock someone out with the blunt side of the sword isn't easy.
"my boi got finessed!"...