The top takeaways from the Denver Nuggets’ failed title defense season?
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- The Denver Nuggets title defense season ended in heartbreak at the hands of their division rival. Nikola Jokic ran out of gas, Jamal Murray wore down against Anthony Edwards and the Wolves’ perimeter defense, and Michael Porter Jr. couldn’t hit a shot. So what are the takeaways from this season? The DNVR Nuggets podcast team answers that question and provides several perspectives on how we should remember the year.
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Hangover takes - 2:30
Defining the season - 20:15
Alignment in the organization? - 40:30
Superchats - 59:00
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Are we wasting Jokic prime by not giving him another top 15 player to play with
Nuggets are wasting my prime.
We need to trade all of them except , BRAUN, AG AND NIKOLA🙏🙏trade @JamalMurray; @MPJ they are NIT GOOD, wasting money and DO NOT WASTE NIKOLAJOKIC PRIME🙏🙏🙏😡😡
I've already suggested before the trade deadline and said if Denver wish a dynasty, so they need to bring Dani Avdija from the Washington Wizards to the Denver Nuggets!... Avdija is 23 years old 6.9" high IQ player, elite defender that can guard all positions 1 through 5, can play all positions 1 through 5 as well!... Already few teams like OKC, Grizzlies, Pelicans and so' are very interested to trade for him!... I hope Denver will try as well?
Perhaps, but they win a championship… so can say it’s a total waste. Feel like there will be a lot of parallels to Aaron Rodgers career. And when it’s all said this may 100% be the case. Let’s hope not. Nuggets will bounce back but they gotta get at least another chip with a generational talent like Joker.
@@23jrza I fear it's going to be like Dirk's career in Dallas. One magical year winning a championship and after that a perennial playoff team but not sniffing the Finals again. Not saying Jokic is on the same all-time level as Dirk...I actually think he's already eclipsed Dirk....but he's a similar low key foreign player with values and a personality that clashes with the standard star player mindset and I don't know if he'll be the squeaky wheel to get the Nuggets to change things up.
Jokic is very loyal to Denver but one thing that can push him away is these expectations from Denver media and organization that he should carry a sub par team that relies on average rookies to the title. All Denver opponents in the West have brought in multiple All-Stars or multiple top draft picks (OKC) to compete with Denver. Let's be real, KCP is not a Top 50 NBA player, Murray is inconsistent and Gordon and MPJ aren't All-Star caliber, Christian Braun and Payton Watson are below average draft picks, single digit contributors at best. Jokic is carrying too much load and this could push him away and Denver would go back to being irrelevant as they were before him.
I’m sorry Jamal was awful game 7, his laziness and TO at back court were back breaking
D-Line, come on about Murray. Adam and Harrison is 100% right. You can't excuse Murray's decent performance in ONE GAME and ONE HALF for the atrocious playoffs he had. The reason why the team was taxed and tired was likely b/c of Murray's 23 games off and how bad his shooting was throughout the whole playoffs. And D-Line, Anthony Edwards didn't score well in Game 7, but Edwards controlled his game and controlled his impact in Game 7 better (defense wise, passing the ball, ball handling, 8 rebounds, 7 assists, only 1 TOV, etc.) than Murray did in nearly all of Murray's playoff games this year.
Murray was awful game 7, his non boxing out, his stupid ass TO’s. Literally was picked on defensively the entire series! Wtf is Dline talking about “showed up” 😭 😂
dude is about his coethnic
Coach changed his roatation in the game 7 and didn't adjust even with 20 point lead. Starters showed exhaustion but he didn't bring any energy off of the bench.
This offseason will be interesting. The Nugs need depth, A-holes, and a back-up center. The Wolves pointed out a lot of flaws, time to see how the Nuggets will adjust.
What depth? You can't have it anyway.
I wanted them to keep Isaiah Hartenstein as a backup. I really like him backing up Jokic. Bruce and Jeff Green really brought some magic, didn't they? Their philosophy needs to change, as everyone can see. They need to develop their young talent faster and play them much more. And they need another top notch point guard to run a second unit. They are just playing their starters way too much . They will be burned out in a couple years at this rate.
I would say that Nuggs exposed Ant but team around him is better than team around Jokić, even tho he didnt shoot 3s good enough this year too. We'll see how it goes next year.
For some reason they are building young core on the bench, good for them long term, but Jokic won't have any help. I feel Jokic needs to leave this team if he wants to compete again.
Last year was the first championship in 40 yrs. See you again in 2060
Booth's "Project Dynasty" has to end. You got Christian and Payton (Strawther maybe) that you can keep and develop on the rookie deals. Pickett and Tyson, are total busts (I know that Malone doesn't play rookies a lot, but Christian and Payton got good minutes, and Strawther would probably have gotten more if he didn't have injury issues. So Malone will play rookies if they are ready to play) For years they have been forcing Zeke to play center, even though he is obviously a power forward. Yes, Malone did play starters too much, but there are not that many guys on the bench that he can trust on the court. Nuggets front office has to wake up and realize that this is not going as well as planned.
They can keep 2 to 3 young guys, and everyone else on the bench should be let go or traded along with the picks. Also, they can get some decent players in free agency who will sing for less so they can try to win a championship. I am not saying they will find players like Bruce Brown every season, but they can definitely get better players than Justin Holiday. They did not even try to find players in free agency, because Booth was so focused on the draft. He was selling future first-round pick for more second-round picks while finals were going on. Booth has to retool this bench and find a way to keep KCP.
After this season, MPJ has to be on the trading block. It is going to be hard to trade him because he has a huge contract for the next 3 years, and every team is going to be scared to get a player with his back problems. We probably would not be able to trade him this off-season, but if he does not have a decent leap next season, then the Nuggets will have to trade him next off-season hoping he is healthy. The way he is playing now he doesn't deserve 35-40 million dollars a year. You can get a role player for a 23-26 million dollar year, that will have the same impact, but it will open more money for the bench.
We can't waste Jokice's prime years, and rely on him to carry us so much, he is turning 30 next season. We need a decent backup center and point guard.
If they continue with "Project Dynasty", we would be lucky to reach the finals again, because the West is only going to get better.
I would like to see Colin Gillespie get a chance. The minutes I watched him play seemed very promising.
Keep bruan ,Watson and strawther and, force them to develop a jumpshot, because 0 point from a bench is nasty. Kcp can go tbh, he is inconsistent, and cb is such a better defender than him, I honestly get scared when we sub Kcp back in 4 cb. We need someone like Andre Drummond, who can rebound, protect the paint, and defend, he’s a perfect backup center within our price range. I’m 99% sure we are trading zeke away thank god 🙏🏽 we need someone like Bruce, and that’s honestly all we need Mpj needs to get his shit together, but I’m not worried about him
All very valid points. As bad as MPJ was in the Wolves series, we have to keep him at least for another season. Yes, MPJ did played bad but overall he did have a pretty good season along with great performances in the 1st round. The truth was he just had terrible matchup in the Wolves series. Getting guarded by guys with length like Jaden McDaniels did really rattled him. The point guard depth situation is interesting. I don't think Reggie is good enough as the backup PG on the team so. My read is Jalen Pickett is Calvin's guy, but Collin Gillespie is Malone's guy. Unfortunately, I don't think both of them are great enough to be backup PG on the team especially in the playoffs. Perhaps, it's possible to develop Christian Braun into more of a combo guard (PG/SG) as opposed to SG/SF. Let Braun handle the ball and make more decision. This also opens up his confidence as a guy who can score. Julian then can play SG while Watson can play legit SF. Watson should never have to play PF, but he does needs to get stronger. The reason why Bruce also fit so well on the Nuggets was because he is the ultimate Swiss army knife. Dude can play PG, SG, or SF and just plug in whatever position Nuggets needed him to play.
First and Foremost, Joker needs help. The supporting cast outside of Murray had 20 points? Ouch. They also seemed to play scared. I appreciate passing but it look like everyone was afraid to shoot. Murray has spurt of games that he score a lot, that's it!! More often than not, he doesn't and I've never seen anyone who picks the worse time to turn it over than Murray. Overall, outside Joker, the team has no heart.
That's it. It's not that Denver lost. It's how he lost 😳
LaJoker - he needs more players.
@@kgar5String Shrug, it'd be nice to have literally another All-Star or All Defense on the team. Not exactly wishing for a super team here. It's super rare to have a situation as lacking in help that Jokic has. Well unprecedented for a team that actually won, plenty of all-time greats did nothing for years cause they didn't have a team.
Outside the Murray ???????
Muray is average player with max contract what are you talking about ????? Worthless player ,,, for that money we should get a real all star player.
Obviously Murray is a different type of point guard than Mike Conley and they are asked to do totally different things, but when Ant missed that wide open 3 on the left side of the court then Murray shoots a transition 3 and bricks it, it seemed like Murray was trying to 1v1 Ant in a indirect way rather than manage the game. Mike Conley picks Murray’s pocket in the 4th then rather than pull up a 3, he passes it to Naz who then makes the right pass to Ant for the corner 3 (where the wolves couldn’t miss in the second half). Murray was elite last playoffs, but this series he didn’t look like a point guard when the nuggets needed it. Not enough play making and too many costly turnovers. Maybe a backup big helps the bench, but Murray has to get the ball moving and also, CB has to be able to beat miss matches and take and make 3s when they are giving him space.
You get how Murray sabotaged the game, but very few Nugz fans do.
Na Murray took the Ant matchup personal. But that’s also what makes him Great!
@@B.Davis1 Murray was not great this playoffs. He is immature still for his age. Part of it is Malone's fault for playing him too much.
@@markkraft6719wasn’t great this playoff because he had a literal calf and elbow injury lmao. One impacts your quickness, other impacts your shooting
@@B.Davis1 and @markkraft6719 Sorry @B.Davis1, I like Murray, but Murray had an awful playoffs overall, regardless of his injury status. Look at his shooting percentages. Shot 50% or over once, and barely. And one of those games, Murray only shot 7-14 because he hit 3 consecutive shots when MN Defense gave up after losing to the Nugs by 16 points with 2 minutes to go in Game 5. In that game, Murray went from 4-11 to 7-14 in garbage time only after Jokic had his historic team-carrying Game 5 for the first 46 minutes. Plus look at the 3-18, 4-18 games and general games when Murray shot only 20-45%.
Murray was bad in the 3-4 Lakers games BEFORE he got injured and Jokic had to carry them. Then Murray apparently was injured in Game 6 with the elbow (their second-to-last game, so you can't blame his entire playoffs on the elbow), but he CHOSE to keep shooting too much to go 4-18. Yet ever since Game 5 vs. the Lakers, Murray was generally moving fine with the calf, especially in Games 3-7 (so again, kind of an excuse). And I do sympathize a little: if the calf did mess with his lift and shooting rhythm a little, okay, i get it. But don't keep shooting SO MUCH and SO POORLY and try to impact the game with rebounds or assists. He is, after all, a point guard. Just don't unintentionally sabotage the game by being such a negative during your minutes and try to let Joker put the team over the finish line.
No excuses for Murray, sorry. I like him and when he is good, he is great. But he really gets the biggest pass/excuses by Nuggets fans and national media for his inconsistent play. And in this overall playoffs, he was actually consistent... just consistently bad. Joker and his peak window deserves a more consistent #2. That said, I think the Nugs will stick with Murray. He just has to be less injury-prone and work on his consistency.
Malone is the one to blame along with all others who follow his plan to grind for top 4 at the end of season. After wining championship u have to go with young guys and rest your starters until the Allstars game.
He overrated coach jokic carriers him he’s a motivational speaker not a smart savy coach
You are crazy all. Do you want Jokic by self win the game? What do Murray feeling, Wolfe in the middle with free balls, MPJ,none, bunch 0,Jokic play almost all game without break!!!!!
Sound like LeBron fans
@kgar5String sorry I'm fans, my Denver Nuggets
#1 issue is that no one outside of Jokic on this team puts pressure on the rim. Murray, hits tough mid-range but he doesn't put pressure on rim, and doesn't force double teams and doesn't get to the FT line.
Aaron Gordon puts pressure on the rim. The main problem is lack of consistent scoring, playmaking, and rim protection, which is shown by the poor play of Murray and MPJ during the series, exploiting Reggie on defense, and no backup big to relieve Jokic of having to do everything
@@joelvicente8148no in that way to must to guard him by multiple people...
@@joelvicente8148 1) AG did not attack the rim in game 7
2) He can’t be the only person that can get to the rim somewhat consistently
And Jokic settled for threes also! It was so frustrating to see him and the Nuggets not taking the ball to the rim! Thats what makes Edwards so good. He will attack you all day long. What a talent he is!
Nuggets had multiple blowouts this season, OKC and Wolves blew them out in the regular season also. This didn't happen last season. West is loaded. Nuggets are not deep enough. This is the key issue. Wolves have several 25-26 year old solid players coming from the bench.
Calvin Booth needs to procure a 3 point killer.
Malone allowing Jokic to not be aggressive and play the role of playmaker in the first and not take many shots during it resulted in us having to claw back huge deficits and expend a ton of energy in life and death battles
I knew we weren't going to repeat when I saw Jokic playing the role of playmaker and not shooting much in the first half which he did in too many games. I was saying this from the end of the regular season when him doing that in game 82 cost us the #1 seed. How the hell couldn't anyone at Nuggets HQ not know this?
Jokic need to be aggressive and force his way to the basket way more instead of shooting 3s and 12-15 footers
Jokic needs more consistent players around him
We need a killer 3 point shooter
Murray over dribbles and takes difficult shots too often. He needs to balance his shooting and passing more in these situations
And we need a much stronger bench
And stop playing Jokic 79 games
Jokic can play all those games and minutes because his feet literally don’t leave the floor lmao. Rarely jumps. That’s about how 90% of injuries in the nba happen
They won because of KAT. Told you that was going to happen. Fresh legs to chase him and abuse him saving our bigs legs would have helped.
Some teams go back to back: the teams that go back to back are fucking stacked. There's not one team that went back to back that didn't have multiple all stars or all NBA talent. Until Jamal decides he wants to bring it consistently throughout the regular season, we can just hope they win 2 more over the next 7 years. Also fuck all the Tim Connelly love, he's the one that handcuffed the team by giving MPJ a max contract
1:06:33 did you notice the Nuggets didn't wear the whites all playoffs? I think its time for an update to the whites if the players don't want to play in them
I think it is long past time to have this conversation about Murray and I side pretty strongly with Adam here. I’ve been more skeptical of him than most given how often I see fans and analysts come to his defense but his performances last season in the playoffs bought him a lot of equity.
I love Dline’s perspective on a lot of things but I think he’s seeing Murray through the rose coloured glasses I see so often done with him. Murray showed up in game seven, it was great to see it but overall, how many quarters did he show up for throughout the entire playoffs? What was the possibility the wolves series even needed to go to seven games had Murray been the consistent player the nuggets expect of their second option? How much does the team needing to carry his regularly injured self weigh them down over a long season into the playoffs?
Can the role players even establish a serious rhythm and expectation of their roles when such an important player misses so much time. We saw it time and time again that the team was thrown out of rhythm from Murray’s constant entering and exiting the lineup. You have Jokic, a generational player who puts the team first in ever situation, plays as many games as he can and carries this massive load every season. Who on the team is ever able to help take some of that load off of him? For most other teams there’s always the second option that can carry the team through large stretches of the season.
It is unsurprising to me that the team ran out of gas when they lack depth. When their dudes had to sprint through the finish line. When part B to the AB punch was still battling through injuries and kept running out of gas and could barely put up one-two strong performances. It seems pretty clear to me that if Murray doesn’t take his conditioning seriously coming into the start of next season we are just going to get this exact same result again next year. The pattern has revealed itself and it will be impossible for me to believe in the playoff Murray fantasy next year if he’s sitting a quarter of the season again.
Jokic deserves somebody that can help carry him after everything he has given this team. The teams best hope is it’s Murray reflecting deeply on the negative patterns starting to occur season to season. Jokic and the nuggets deserve a Murray that is contending for an all star spot, and that starts with taking the off season with the requisite amount of seriousness.
Time for Murray to grow up and stop acting like Shaq did during his career.
what is Adam talking about...what's the meaning of minutes played together, isn't fatigue supposed to be based on minutes played total? Total minutes for starters, DEN played about 35 more per player, that means one more game...non sense take, making up stuff at this point
What worries me is I don’t feel like Booth and Malone are on the same page. If your not gonna bring in Vets and instead go young you HAVE to play those guys. Maloney Stubbornness just doesn’t jive with Calvin’s vision…
(Posted this on the first segment, glad y’all touched on it 👍)
Need either Bruce Brown, Westbrook as a backup PG, or a Naz Reid type big
Zach Edey is the slowest dude ever, no bueno
Nuggets had collapsed the same as Kings to Lakers in 2002. FIRE MICHAEL MALONE!
Need more Alpha dogs. To many waiting to follow the leader not enough willing to lead..
Exactly this. I couldn’t believe what I was watching. There was no off ball activity in the 3rd and 4th quarter, everyone standing around waiting for Jokic to make a move and no one cutting to the rim or giving him some help. It was crazy.
Boxing analogy maybe stupid by me but hear me out
Great fighter sparring fresh new good fighter every 3 rounds =Jokic vs Kat,Rudy,Naz.They took turns and wore him out.
No backup for him is insanity.Fuking front office thought they could getaway with it
I'm from MN and I listen to you because Jok is my favorite player. I'm so tired of egomaniac players. He's a breath of fresh air and I am sad to see him out.
I know losing sucks, but you should all jump on the Wolves bandwagon. They need a special season worse than any other team in sports, and honestly, would you rather say you lost to the team that won the championship or someone that got bounced in the next round? Don't let one guy in the chat sour you on the whole org.
Congratulations, MN wolves. It's a great win, and good luck
I won’t bandwagon the wolves like other people (Lakers fans) have done but I have respect for them and they are deserving of winning a championship with the way they’ve been playing.
Good luck the rest of the way!
I legit was gonna pull for the wolves, but after that ish that Ant & McDaniels pulled at the end pissed me off royally. Ant smack talking fans who paid good money & McD trying that mega dunk at the end of the game. COMPLETELY uncalled for. They were already gonna win and that asshole still tries to score? Bush league & low IQ.
I’ve tried to like Ant, but the kid is incredibly immature & and me first player. Remember “I’m not winning for Mike Connelly, I’m winning for myself “. That’s embarrassing & shows all I needed to see. Ant has a world class talent level but a 2 cent head. Add to that KAT being the softest 7 footer I’ve ever seen.
Sorry dude.
traitor
I think Mal and Yoke playing at the Paris Olympics will keep them in shape and prepare them physically and mentally for next season. DNVR should cover Team USA, Serbia and Canada this summer.
p.s. Ant led Team USA at last years World Cup and it was massive for his development as a player and leader (like Jordan’s coming out party at the 84 Olympics).
I'm a bit of a casual fan, but watching that 3rd quarter... That one is on Jokic. He missed about 8 straight open shots to let the Wolves back in the game.
The Nuggets wasted 3 years of Joker's prime. How many are they going to waste by the time he say goodbye?
31:06 Yes!!!! This is correct. Malone took out our own players by playing them to death. There were multiple games this year that the starters were in up 20 with 4 minutes left. That has to stop.
something something joke about how they ran out of energy at the end when it’s the mile high city that makes other people suffer.
the defence was just too much. when the wolves were allowed to play hard post season defence the nuggets were getting frustrated and couldn’t play their game. wolves don’t have a flamethrower offence they beat you by defence. they were cold in the first half, Ant was struggling but KAT held it down and it was the perfect storm heading into the locker room. nuggets over confidence and wolves getting to talk about what wasn’t working. once wolves starting hitting shots and cutting the lead, rest of team gave Denver nothing and Wolves smelt blood.
i’m canadian and love all our guys, but lost a lot of respect for Jamal this series. funny that his old talking point was “he meditates and his dad made him do pushups in the snow” but the guy has no mental toughness. put some good frustrating defenders on him and he’ll freak out and crumble 5/7 times.
Mike Conley makes that pump fake 3 most of the time… I’ll give them the Gobert fadeaway was blessed but that is Gobert’s spot.
28:59 if the wolves are saying that Jamal isnt a dude that can beat them... bro jamal and the nuggets literally beat them in 5 games last year and was 1 half of his teammates making just a few open shots from beating them this year! Thats take is freaking wild.
No they needed to win the last game against the Spurs for the 1st seed. Yes stop riding the starters so much. 100%
Hmmm, your Alignment segment was interesting. It makes some sense, because it was odd & frustrating that Malone would never play the rookies, other that Jules who got hurt eventually.
If this IS the case, that Malone & Booth may not be on the same page, then that is a bigger red flag than we’ve ever known. Are things really that bad? Isn’t Josh in on this and working it out?
This is a black men sport boi
Greetings to everyone from Serbia. MPJ played without urgency, it seemed so stoned. In all 7 games specially in game 7, it would be better if Brown played 30 minutes and Porter played 15. I think that by trading Zeke and Porter, he can bring two players plus increase the salary, as KCP would leave this summer. If u want to beat teams like Wolves you nid to have 2 players with 10-15 points, 2 players with 15-20, 2 players with 20-30 points,. Total of 6 players, and the possibility of one more player with 0-10 points. It is so transparent that Denver is failing in the third quarter - every ball as soon as it comes to -10 seconds immediately goes to Jokic, Murray 2 or 3 lost balls in Denver's half or in the very center of the field.
Can’t have 3 defensive liability’s on 1 team to many targets🙄
I just hope we get a wake up call. Dont waste these jokic years….
Im not a genius in basketball finance wise.
But wth Denver gotta do to get back to championship form?
Feel like DJ and even P Wat could’ve contributed to this series. In short spurts just to throw Min off their game with that length and defense. And idk maybe get Joker more then ONE minute of rest… but what do I know
"There is no failure in sports there are only steps to success!"
Not Bogdanovic! VAsa Micic as a back up point guard... that would be peeerrrfffffecttt
Nuggets also need to understand, the season starts game 1 of the regular season. Not after the all-star game. How can we expect Murray to be that guy in the playoffs when he misses so much games in the regular season. Building good habits is so important during the regular season coming into the playoffs. Look at how we went into this year’s playoff; losing a 20pnt lead to a team like the Spurs, losing us the #1 spot in the west, that really transitioned into the playoffs this year. This playoff we only relied on Jokic’s greatness to get us trough games.
Nuggets need rebuild. If they can't make bench better, they need better starters with Jokic.
Nonsense
@@JB-jg8rr Good luck to them beating that Minnesota team next year. Wolves have their players locked for next 4 to 5 years.
Jokic need help kcp mpj gordon total points 13 they played each 40 min that where is problem
also what's up with no reading all the superchats?
Tim Conelly builted a championship and took it away to Minnesota, Nuggets think Jokic can go and beat 3 centars on his own, i really feel slight unintersted in Jokic next season can lead you to play in very quickly
A 20 point lead today isn’t the same as 10byears.ago.
But this group is in a little denial: they weren’t as good as they were last year.
They weren’t that good last year, they beat 3 playin teams.
@@AliMohamed-yq4wn I watched the actual games. This team didn’t lose at home. Swept a good Laker team. I admit Heat were on a heater, but they beat the Celtics!
@@17NateJohnson you named 2 playin teams 🤣 nuggets haven’t beat a 50 win team in the Jokic era 🤣 they stole that championship the dynasty is over.
Nuggets need to retool a little to get back over the edge.
The issue with the Jokic and the Starters minutes is that those same Starters take up ALL of the Salary Cap space. If MPJ and Jokic would like to rework their contracts and give the team some money to work with we can have depth and get the starters some rest.
Jokic? He actually earns his money.....MPJ and Murray are the contracts that they're not getting their value from.
@@KClouisville MPJ def in this series but Murry not playing in the regular season is the worst one. Why pay D.J. if we won't play him.
@@KClouisville Seriously, superstars are underpaid even if they are given every cent of the largest max you can give them. That's literally how any good team wins anything serious in this league. The cap means we literally can calculate what a win costs. The only way to go over that is to spend a lot (which has diminishing returns and an upper limit anyways) or to underpay players compared to the wins they are worth. And the 2 ways to really do that outside the fringes is to have a max contract still underpay your superstar (that's WHY they are superstars and not just hype) or luck out and have multiple young stars on rookie contracts (which again has a ceiling and time limit).
You can’t rework contracts, once it’s signed that’s it.
Not at $30 million a year and defending champ. I’m most disappointed in Mr. Nugget!
Yall overcomplicating the conversation. We do need more depth . Game 7 was mismanaged by Malone when he didnt rest Jokic or any of the starters when we were up 20 to start the 3rd.
Jokic jumpshot wasn’t good in theses playoffs like last year
I say get a good back up center doesn’t need to be great. Get another Bruce brown type role player. And continue to develop project dynasty and I think we will be great again.
Problem is we've had decent bigs. And Malone either doesn't play them or WAY overplays them.
Andre Drummond
Hey Calvin, bogdonavich would be a good pull
They acted like they couldn't lose at the beginning of the second half. I think they played cocky and exactly, didn't have the edge. Hopefully the silver lining out of this is getting embarrassed like that will add another layer to the team that they can use next time they are in a situation like that. Hopefully it will propel the team to greater heights. Been up, now down. Bunch of salty ass old vets next year! Project dynasty is still in effect. Murray's health is the weak link. I don't wanna get rid of him but we need another solid guard if we're gonna get any kind of real milage out of him. If we can draft his future replacement somehow, do it 100%
There is no shame in losing in a 7 game series to a team with two all stars, DPOY and 6th man of the year. It is a great team, let alone that it was designed to defeat the Nuggets. The wolves wanted it more and in the end, they were better. If they continue to play the same way, they will win it all.
Copium, there’s shame in losing by almost ten when you were up by 20 in the third quarter 😂😂😂
Sux about the CBA rules…
Too much talk on the bench and organization... Murray and MPJ must be better, much better, regular season (to allow easier March) and especially POs. Simple as that.
All the hate is coming from the ghettos of Lost Again.
Mike Malone not playing rookies makes sense. Unless you jump out the box like Braun and make a name for yourself, stay in the gym.
Sooo. If we win another title next season. We are not repeating? Because of the mentality of Denver? We always gotta be the hunter? Lol…. Ugh
It'll be nice when a couple of weeks go by and the Nuggets are off the radar.
E moj Denvere... Sve dolazi sve prolazi...ali da te na domacem terenu uz MVP i najboljeg igrača na svetu, razvali dečko sa 22 godine... E to ce da boli...ihaaaa... A i treba posteno je . Život ide dalje veselo samo veselo... 😎
I da, trener veliki deo odgovornosti snosi..veliki
Why you guys discuss about this list on a different opinions??? They are NEED TO BE TRADED😡😡EXCEPT BRAUN, JOKIC AND AG!! @JAMSL MURRAY IS NOT GOOD AT ALL AS YOU THINK 😡🙏TRADE JAMSL AND AG AND GIVE JOKIC A GOOD 2DEFENDERS
While I think the Murray criticism this postseason is fair and deserved … he did show up when the team needed him most. I find it curious that we always frame it as him making life difficult for his teammates for his injuries and not his teammates lack of ancillary skills making life difficult for him. Nobody else can dribble on this roster. It’s all him all the time against a ball pressure defense. Did MPJ do anything to help Murray out this series? The guy who did not have an injury going in?
Because even when he's healthy and going good there are still lots of games in the regular season where he'll shoot the team out of their offensive sets and eat up a ton of clock dribbling playing hero ball. Hard for teammates to help him out when maybe the only passes they get from him are for desperation heaves.
MPJ Folded. Murray didn’t.
... and stop saying "basketball Gods..." if you dont believe that arrogance is not impacting the game outcome... of all - players, coaches, media, fans...
Eric is making excuses for Jamal
It's time to come terms.
No Eric is 100% right. Jamal has a reputation for being amazing in the playoffs because he is amazing. The Lakers series would look a lot different without Jamal. Outside of Jokic he is the only person that provided offense in the Min series. Was it a good series for him? No. But one bad series and yall are ready to turn your backs on him, it’s f’n ridiculous
@JB-jg8rr he can't stay healthy. Pretty simple. Look at all the games he's missed. He was bad against la and minn. Missed a lot og games. 2 potential deep playoff/championship runs came to a halt cause of Jamal being injured.
No you guys are screwed! You paid MPJ......have fun with that!
Denver has zero bench. PW cant score a basket even when hes alone under it. CB is scared to make the shot most of the time. Rest of bench i have no fucking clue why they are even there. MPJ cant even walk properly he looks like hes learning to walk. No consistence at all. CP is ok but passed his prime, and it shows. I dono they need to reform this team around Jokic, Murray and Gordon.
There's definitely some deadwood to cut out. I think our 3rd string is largely unplayable which might be fine but we are on the other side of the young team curve and need usable minutes out of that range of the roster. Cause injuries and fatigue are only going to become more problems from here on out with long playoff runs (hopefully).
I thought that was a stupid question about the 20 points.
It was. These media types get all butthurt all the time. Bunch of Sensitive Cindys.
Chill, guys... Denver didn't failed, you cannot win them all. Yes, we are lacking one or two players, yes, Murray is overrated and immature a...hole, yes, Malone is bad with quick adaptations, but we are still one of the best teams in the NBA!
Wolves fan here, you are correct Twolves fans think Murray is garbage. He is way too inconsitent for him to be considered really good imo.
Plus he takes like half of your shots, sure he had 35, it took him 27 shots to do it , under 50% shooting and that was his most efficient game of the playoffs? Got his pocket picked at half court like 3 times as well.
The lack of composure in game 2 is beyond unacceptable for someone who is suppose to be a leader on your team.
“Adorable” nuggets fans y’all already praying on ants downfall and he’s only 22. better get comfortable on your knees 👋
Jokic has never played with an all-star. 9 years, not once.
10 years...millsap
Dj an all star
You guys have the nerve to criticize Malone??? He ran them into the ground.
Malone is one of the most overrated coaches, I’ve realized that since we lost to the spurs
Start Jay Huff at center and move Nikola to the 4. Same offense, you just get Huff in the dunker but since he can hit 3's that will get Rudy outside. Huff can pick and pop on those 2 screen sets while Nikla rolls with Jamal. A.G. and Huff can split time depending on the matchup. ALSO, draft a BIG and a P.G. Huff also plays D so he can help Nikola out. We MUST play the young guys or get rid of the max salaries.
Jay huff ur alt account is too obvious Lol
U just described not so good coach...or better to say not one of the best...and i agree 💯
Ha fn ha 🤣
Adorable!
The beginning of the end was when Jokic went on Porters podcast--way to comfortable----+ Malone ran the starting 5 into the ground all season + Booths grand plan now looks hubris infantile+ Murray was so disrespecful of other nba players he thought he could play himself into shape during the regular season
The Nuggets should trade Murray. He's a ball hog who doesn't make his teammates better, and why he's not an all-star. The Nuggets should be able to get multiple players for him.
Blaming Mal for this is hilarious ngl. He was literally injured. MPJ Didn’t show up. AG was decent except the last game. KCP was mid
Nuggets fans were a bit arrogant this year but it stemmed from the players and coach last summer calling themselves the ‘Lakers Daddy’ and having all the fans chant it this season. As a Lakers fan I was actually happy for Denver last year because they were humble and whooped our ass. The disrespect was a bit much tho so they got what was coming to them
How many times will "Lakers fans" repeat that bullshit? Malone did NOT say they were the Lakers' daddy....it was a Denver media person. Holy shit. I've seen that repeated like it was a fact about 100 times in comments on here and Twitter in the past year. Only thing Malone complained about in regard to the Lakers was the media coverage....which doesn't actually involve the Lakers team....it was calling out the media for their one-sided reporting and he was absolutely right to. ESPN was doing the same nonsense with that Pacers-Knicks series this year.
@@KClouisville my apologies, I misspoke and it was Vic Lombardi who started the chants but the fans definitely disrespected the Lakers all year for no reason. Again, I actually enjoy watching the Nuggets and was happy y’all got your first ring last year but humility goes a long way in this league
@@Halfricanmj24and Lakers fans are humble?? Calling every other teams "poverty franchises"
@KClouisville FOH! Malone co-signed it and every nugget fan ran with it. You’ll was talking crazy. Then get mad when a player waves bye bye. Literally everybody but nugget fans was rooting for Ant and the wolves. Why do you think that is?!
@@TJWest-if3ny Lol....Lakers fans don't "talk crazy"?....check out any social media platform in the world....and then add that to the disproportionate coverage L.A. gets from the media. People that are not Denver fans also love seeing the Lakers lose. Why do YOU think that is? Getting mad when a player does stuff like Edwards does is a totally different thing. It's one thing to talk trash during a game, but Edwards is very "extra" with his stuff....he's immature...which is probably why he had that hissy fit when they got eliminated last year.....but the media loves him and sees him as the next "face of the NBA", so they gloss over his nonsense.
I guess the coping argument is that Uncle Jeff and Bruce Brown are missing championship pieces and not the coach with his bad rotation and emotional outbursts. and distractions For reference all coaches of recent champions have been fired except Steve Kerr.
Could very well be reaching a Budenholzer situation with Malone. He seems way more of a rah rah guy than an actual coach. To be honest, I think it's probably why he and Murray get along so well....they both act like emotional children at times.
If y’all say “Tired” one more time…
Nuggets running out of gas like the lakers is sweet poetic justice. Nuggets had their WCF in Round 1 😂
Skap Atack YT video : Putrid Nuggets Stab Nikola Jokic in the Back (sum it up perfectly) .
This team is lottery team without Nikola Jokic ..
Nugets as an organization is player development organization not a championship organization.. And they dont know how to handle Nikola Jokic caliber player and they w8sted 3 off 4 years of his prime by giving him Facu Campaso Astin Rivers 3 back surgery MPJ (low iq) ACL Jamal and this year 0 bench players ...
I hope Jokic grow up and move on from this team to any decant NBA team org and finish off his prime with at list 3 or more rings ...
This is a nuggets podcast not a “Jokic is the next savior podcast”
God you Jokic Stan’s are worst than haters constantly wanting Jokic to leave. Go away
@@Neofilmcritic They're not 100% wrong though....how many multi-MVP players have been surrounded by the talent vacuum that Jokic has during his career? They don't do some sort of roster change and I fear he'll end up being like Dirk....a humble foreign guy who's too loyal to the team that drafted him, that got his team a championship and made the braintrust think they're the smartest guys in the room. Dirk's post-championship years were laughable with the "Robins" they tried to bring in and play with him. And that's not to mean I think Jokic should be thinking of heading for greener pastures.....he just needs to use some leverage behind the scenes and make it clear he wants some improvements made....will be better in the long run for the Nuggets and Jokic.
@@Neofilmcritic Look its sad but true at list Spurs Maveriks or other serious organizations supported their star and give them the reason to stay and play for that teams .I wish Denver do the same for Jokic but year after year (now 3 of 4 years (excluding 2023)) they give this kid (Nikola) nothing to work with to get to the championship.
The reality is Denver is and always bean player development organization not a championship organization like Lakers Mavs Spurs Celtics Bucks and on..
And that's ok but i dont know that Jokic knows that and that is sad..:P
As a Wolves fan, this will be my last hate watch of you guys. I got more basketball to watch and, not sadly, you don't. D-Line, I'll miss you, you're just so adorable.
This isn’t an airport you don’t need to announce your departure 🤡
NOOOOOOOO! Don’t goooooooooo 😢
They’re not as good as people swear they are. Nuggets are one hit wonders.
Thought you bums were a dynasty never seen a fanbase talk so much shit after 1 ring 😂😂😂
Critics are right boys...u are too close and too bias.... It's that big. How u say just game 7...my god what about LA barely... what about regular season struggles... what about 50 points defeat and first 2 where they all lost in another universe???? What are u talking about
Remember “we’re adorable fans” “you figured us out” were just “worthy opponents “ 😭😭😭😭😭 enjoy your long ass summer, fix that bum ass bench, good luck bringing everybody back 🤡
Very classy
Trpaj zaslužio je. Čovek pun sebe a ne vidi....zajebano. ali se polako budi ne brini 🙃
Love the wolves team but fans like you talking like they won the chip! Nugs lost but keep it classy lil bro
@@robertgeorge3773 I’m worse on twitter
@@ohhmyjesuswe did win the chip when we beat y’all cheating ref paying ass last night lil homie
God can we just stop saying “Wolves comeback from a 20pt lead”. It’s so cringe! 20 pt lead early in the third literally means nothing in todays NBA. Heck 20pt lead early in the 4th also means nothing! Today’s NBA is about runs and teams can easily go on a 15 to 5 run in a matter of minutes! Wolves didn’t comeback from anything and Nuggets didn’t lose a big lead. 20 point lead early in the third is not a big lead!
It’s fair to say though they were up 20 with like 10 minutes left in the third then proceeded to end the quarter only up 1. That’s pretty insane.
Are you serious? This is what you’re going with?
It absolutely is a big deal. Embarrassing as hell. This wasn’t the in-season tournament, it was game 7.
Yeah 20 point lead is nothing. It’s only like 7-10 Possessions.. cmon man you’re up that much in the second half of a game and BLOW it. It’s a big deal. And a huge part of the story.
I really feel like DJ could’ve contributed to this series. As well as P Wat. Throw those dudes out there with all that length and defense and just give the wolves a different look. Rattle them a little bit. Maybe let Joker get more then ONE minute of rest.
Yall getting destroyed in every major media till november. Yall done😅😅😅
Big problem with Denver is that all thinks that Nuggete was so close to win title. Guys even if you pass Minnesota, Nugets would lose against Dalas or Boston.
Guys you have Jokic and no one else. Only 1 guy that needs to win 82 regular and 16 playoff games and Denver still do not get it that do not work. You are wasting Jok prime, and you do not have best starting 5 are you crazy. Minnesota won 1 game by 45, and few others 20 plus. On game 7 you lose 20 points lead, WHAT BEST 5 ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!! You need 3 more guys that will play offence, and defence, trade Murray and MPJ and make real team.... Look on other teams they are geting a lot from role players. Denver needs major rebuild.....
100% 👍
I don't understand the narrative that Denver has the best starting five in the game. No all stars beside Jokic, no all defensive nba players, bunch of solid average players with a guy who carry them hard for years now. Find me another team where one player leads the team in every statistical category by a far margin. Points, rebounds, assists, steals and even blocks. I mean the guy who can't jump leads the team in blocks?!
Murray was always excused because of those two good playoffs that he had but in reality he's just a solid player with pretty average production. Beside inconsistency and being injury prone, his biggest problem is that he thinks he's much better than he actually is. When he's on fire, it looks amazing but he continues to play the same way even when he's dead cold, Too many iso, too much ball handling, dribbles and too many tough shots for no reason, That cools off the squad and breaking their rhythm. And when I look at the other guards through the league, so many of them have several signature games during this playoffs...Brunson, Maxey, Edwards, Shay, Irving, Luka, Mitchel, Haliburton, White....Jamal didn't have a single game like that
Porter is inconsistent too but at least he's accepting his role. The biggest problem with him is his overvalued contract. His contract is the biggest reason why Denver have such a short rooster this year
Front office have to make some changes in offseason or Denver will not be relevant for a title shot. Imo only Joker and Gordon should be out of the market trade