GOLF - BALL POSITION, MOST IMPORTANT LESSON
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Many golfers underestimate just how important ball position is and how this can drastically influence your swing, the club delivery and resulting shot.
In this video Chris uses TrackMan to highlight just what can change when the golf ball is moves around in your stance...... the results may surprise you!
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In the last year, I've started using your golf instruction exclusively. You've helped me tremendously! I've been playing for over 56 years and this simple video is still very helpful. The visuals helped me see some errors I've struggled with lately. Thanks.
Always necessary. I noticed this year my ball position for me swing was moving towards my right foot (I’m right handed). I was completely lost and checked everything. I made some notes several years ago, and my ball position was way off. When I play the ball off the logo on my golf shirt I had a good strike. Thanks Chris for this timely reminder!
Good video Chris. I would be really interested now to see a similar video but based around the Driver. It seems the norm to have the ball off the leading heel so I would be interested to see your take on this and the effects of changing from there to mid stance with the driver👍
I'd just come to the conclusion my ball position was too far forward hence straight left shots. As a regular to your channel i looked up this video, which confirms it. Ive now got a fix to work on. Thank you for all the great videos 🏌♂️👏👏
Same here 😂😂 iv been playing my longer irons with the ball forward because id assumed as the driver should be forward but pulled it back today felt so much better now im here for confirmation 😂 how are you getting on since ? Anymore revelations
Ball forward: Club face most likely closed at contact, with a high push to the left. Ball back: Club face likely to be open at contact and also de-lofted, creating a low fade or slice to the right.
Edit: Love the side-by-side view showing the change in swing path with the two ball positions. Subconscious hand-eye coordination working as it should, but not necessarily with the desired results. 😄
This is very well done and helpful Chris! My friends always tell me to move the ball forward in my stance and it leads to me hitting pull draws with my driver which is a bad combination. Both the narratives and images were very helpful to get me to understand these concepts.
Great video Chris. Where constantly told that if we put the ball to far back in or stance (for a lower shot) we would hit to much down on it and increase spin you’ve shown us that actually the attack ankle was almost level (-0.5) of the back foot. Insightful and fascinating stuff. 👏🏻
I really like that you explain the reasons for things instead of just saying 'do this, do that'.
Your video on Ball Position through the bag is a better explanation of what you should do
I find having the ball forward ensures the ball the struck with full release and club squared up, for solid contact and maximum velocity. 3 wood and 3 iron in front of the left foot, 7 iron at the left heel, wedges in front of the left chest.
Great visuals on this video demonstrating ball position. But can you also explain why the ball position is supposed to change based on the different clubs used? For instance, why should a short iron be placed further back than a long iron?
I love seeing the trackman numbers and the swing path visuals!
The manipulation of the arcs and explaining the swing plane that way was a phenomenal visual!!!
Thanks Vincent
The most successful golfer of all time - Jack Nicklaus, said, “Play every shot off the inside of your left heel - just take a wider stance for driver and a narrower stance as the club becomes more lofted.” He then made the same swing for every club. Sounds like simple advice to me. Fades and draws can then be achieved by opening and closing the club face and stance.
Love this. The illustration of the twisted circles helped me really understand what happens. Thx.
Thanks Jim glad it helped
Ball position forward will mean swing path more left. You will have to shift your weight through transition to maintain a neutral face to path relationship. Attack angle will be -1 to 0 at best. Ball flight depending on strike slight pull to a gentle fade for your skillset. Opposite for ball position back. Swing path more in to out to the right. Attack angle -6 or more, face to path closed to swing path, ball flight again depending on strike slight push to slight draw.
Great answer Geoff and pretty close to exactly what happened, especially with the change in club paths. 👍
Okay Chris paused at 2:37 Ball forward on the front is definitely going to go left for right handed golfer !! Ball on Back foot Low on the right with an open face , right back to you to see if I’m right 💡 .
I never knew this before and I've been playing golf a long time! Thanks for the insight.
Ben Hogan says to place the ball 1 inch inside the left heel and adjust the position of the right foot (narrower stance and closer to the ball the shorter the club). So with the driver the stance would be closed in respect to the target lline, square with a mid iron and open with a wedge. Is that a viable method in your opinion?
Hello Chris, i am a one lenght player so i had ti find out on my own what ball position does to my ball flight. Result : one ball widht to the right for all my irons ( one lenght ) will create a straight flight, more often now even a Draw, your explanation was brilliant i will send your video to my buddy struggeling with that issue
Thankyou so much for this helpful insight Chris. Most book theories would just explain that shorter club, ball position would be further back and longer clubs further forward. But yes I believe in reality thats not always the case since we all have differeny body postures and swing path. Now I feel more confident in taking my ball position more towards the middle stance for longer irons (i6, i5) rather than bring it forward to the stance.
Perfect! The best way to improve is to understand how the variations will affect the shot, then make an informed decision as to what is best for you, love it!
What about Nicklaus/Jones? They played every shot off their left heel. They just adjusted their feet width. Wider for driver/long irons- shorter for lower irons.
Forward super high flip or a pull left. Back super low wormburner or a push
I think this is exactly my issue. Been swinging left for months hitting weak slices and dead pulls. Finally filmed myself and saw my ball position is way too forward. Im cautiously optimistic about today’s round now :)
So in general should most of your irons be around the middle of your stance then?
I’m getting a stronger draw and sometimes a nice little draw. Especially off the tee with my irons. Not using driver at the moment. I’m hitting my 6. Ping i59 x stiff shaft. I’m playing it a little ahead of middle stance. My 7 the other day I played center stance a few times and had a small draw. I have been told my swing is a natural draw or something. Going to test all at the range in middle. PW to 60* I play from rear heel to behind center point. I always thought 7 was middle and as you climbed down you went further back in stance and then opposite you gent forward in stance
Good stuff again, Chris.
Ball position deffo something to be aware of on every shot, full, chipping, pitching and putting.
Very true Colin, has such an effect
Good pointer Chris remember a few year back when having lessons the pro kept telling ball a little back in the stance - it worked lead to better ball striking and straighter shots 👍
Great video Chris. The graphics really worked well to help visualise the arc. 👍
Regarding the distance of the ball from the body, what would be the behavior of the ball? Thanks!
When i was taking divots behind the ball, I experimented with moving ball in my stance. I found back would be open clubface, sending ball right, and forward, the clubface would be closed sending ball left of target. I'm still working on correct fix which is correct weight transfer.
Thanks for the great instructional vids.
That is exactly what should happen. Instructors that teach that the ball will fade or draw are manipulating the face open or close relative to the swing path. As you stated, if you keep your swing arc and bottom of your swing exactly the same, the ball will exactly what you described. Exactly.
I have yet to find a video that gets this right which just blows my mind.
If you put your ball excessively back or forward in your stance keeping the same swing arc, you will top the ball both ways, back in stane top to the right, front top to the left.
These guys are changing their swing paths and clubfaces and not telling you the truth.
this is an excellent video, chris. minimal "blahblahblah" and fluff...
just relevant info and easy to understand information.
This is interesting and a bit counter intuitive as you say. Would like a part 2 or link to previous video of what adjustments are required in order to hit the driver with a draw despite the ball positioning being forward. I know you have done those in the past but it would just fill the gap as I doubt you would suggest hitting the driver from the middle of your stance.
Thanks and will try to get something filmed 👍
What would be a good ball position who is hitting it higher and left?
I would think too far forward would produce a slice and back a hook but I'm no golf pro that's for sure.
How does this square with Hogan's very clear instruction on ball placement based upon club selection withthe same, repeating swing? Many of us learned from Ben Hogan, and we strike well as a result... Just wondering...
Off the back foot it looks like a shank ball placement is so very important this was very informative for the average golfer 👍👍👍 great videos Chris 🏌️♂️
Thanks Peter, and yep they ball started way out right ➡️
very good video. I will setup with different ball position and see what is best for me. Thanks
Great video. I like the science behind it. I’m left handed and my issue is this ; 3 hybrid common misses to left of target, 5 hybrid misses to the right. The only difference I can see between these clubs (besides the loft) is the shaft length. The 3 is about 2 inches longer.
What’s causing my misses ?
I’m a lefty too. Check ball position and alignment of course. How’s the ball flight?
How is distance impacted? On 9-7 irons, if ball is to far forward, does it shorten distance?
Up front it will shorten the distance and heighten the flight and left. If way back it will be longer less height and go left.
I’m guessing ball position relates to club head position (open or closed) at contact? So ball forward, club head will make contact a little more closed? Ball back, club head is a little more open?
Yes correct
Hey Chris. I have a problem with my approach/wedge shots as they almost always go too high yet go straight. My ball position I have been told is to put the ball very close to the right foot. Is my problem either the ball position (should I place more left), or is it my swing where I subconciously try to “scoop” the ball because of the loft in the wedge? I don’t typically have this problem with the rest of my irons.
If you are hitting on the toe move the ball back. If on the heel move the ball forward. Find where your swing bottoms. Sounds simple but it has worked for me.
Great video: explanation and examples were very helpful. Thank you Mate!
Great video!. I was looking for an explanation for why I kept pulling my irons yesterday and after watching this I'm certain it was my ball position.
Glad it helped Brandon
I move the ball back like one ball length to hit a punch or knockdown. I move the ball forward one ball length for anything over a 6 iron. They stay straight and fly well. No need to get excessive. Small adjustments work the best.
Absolutely agree with you there 👍👍
Good advice Chris i will try this out a the weekend
When ball is placed excessively forward the club head is closing on downswing you will hook it. Ball placed excessively back you will push it to the right - I think.
Great video. The visual aids really help.
Chris, you're a genius! I knew ball position was important but those twisted circles really opened my mind to just how critical ball position is. Thanks for a great video!!
Thanks Erik 👍
I'm definitely not an expert but, doesn't ball placement and either how narrowed or widened stance is make the ball contact better? Using different clubs? Shorter the club I bring in my right foot, longer club the more my right foot goes out wider? Worked at the range for me.
Totally opposite of what I would have thought. Thanks for the excellent instruction Chris!
Thanks Jeffrey hope it helps
I was such a slicer before realizing that my ball position was too far forward (nasty horrible slice 195 yd into the trees, back yards? Deck? House??). The simple adjustment of moving the ball slightly back has allowed me to hit diver 260 to 280; dead straight more often.
Wow! That graphic with the orange arc was a very good explanation.
Thanks Paul
Brilliant. I really really needed this info.
Glad it helped
This information is soooo good! Makes a lot of sense! Thank you!
Ball on the front foot will create a high shot and the ball on the back foot will create a low shot. The shot shape will depend on the clubface in relation to the swing path.
Great answer 👍
This is a question I have asked my entire life, without a good answer. Should I leave the ball in the same spot with every iron or move it around. What I need is a one armed golf pro since pros so often give advice by saying, "well on the one hand..."
😂😂😂Love that Glenn, a one handed golf pro 👍👍
So by playing the ball further back in my stance it may help with a draw every little helps with a guy that can't draw a ball to save his life cheers Chris
Dave Weedall it’s not as hard as you think to hit a draw. In your mind it’s bigger than it should be so get some practice and once you actually get it you’ll see what I’m talking about. Fade =aim right swing left. Aim left swing right or out to right field. The trick to it is taking a small swing with quiet hands and letting your shoulder turn back nice and wide and then from the top Swing down your toe line. You got a put the work in on the range though and it takes practice
A smooth swing
Any benefit to bringing ball back in stance for a typical slicer of driver ?
I use my ball played in both of those positions to hit shots around trees. Forward with club face open hard cut Back with face closed hard hook.
Perfect, very usefully to be able to do that
Bingo! Thanks .. (keep it simple). I have been playing the ball too forward. Well done, keep your tips coming..,
Thanks Dave, that tweak could be the difference, hope it is 👍
My first golf coach told me to keep the ball just inside the front heel (like 10 years ago) so I’ve always done that, I’ll try to keep it more centered
Excellent video. Thanks!
I would guess that if the ball is in the back it will go low right and if the ball is up front it will start left and be higher in flight and maybe fade.
Excellent video as always. Would have liked to see the numbers on your last shot out of curiosity.
Thanks Dan, not too sure I even took a look at them, they would have been recorded, maybe I’ll have to go back and look 👍
I play with guys that play both extremes, the ball back guy is low and hooky starts right and overturns. Guy with ball forward high and slicy starts left and overfades..
Back in stance maybe a draw/hook and forward a fade/slice?
Forward = higher flight with fade, back = lower ball flight and draw ?
Struggle with this one. I think you need a certain swing before playing around..but a question, on a nornal set up, I was taught broadly, PW middle.and.move.forward from there, lately any iron a consistent amount forward of centre..what do you do?
Hi Marc, I wasn’t advocating playing around with ball position, just highlighting what can happen if the ball gets too far forward or back. I’d agree with your comments about ball position, short irons middle abs then slightly forward from there on up through the bag 👍
@@ChrisRyanGolf thanks, that helps and thanks for the response, I see you respond to most if not all questions, top stuff
Thanks Crris, You have cleared many cobwebs by your explaination. Keep up the good work. Thanks a ton.
Information was stellar!
Excellent coaching Chris! Really great work. The circle/swing graphics showing the swing path are excellent as well!
2:40 Ball up in stance - Contact lower on the face and path left
Ball back in stance - contact higher on the face and path right. My prediction.
Great video Chris once again shall be taking that info to the course and having a practice ......cheers
Thanks Andy
I know that when I play the ball too far forward, I almost always pull it dead left with a draw. When I play it too far back, I hit it fat and skittle it along the ground forwards ..or hit it dead right low. Mildly back or forward, no more than a ball either way, I can use it to play a lower shot, or a higher shot varying heights with different clubs. Also, depends if I aim for the dead center back of the ball or the slight inside of the back of the ball .. or the slight outside of the back of the ball.
Great Information. Thanks Chris you are the man!
Excellent explanation!
In Jack's "Golf My Way", he says to position the ball the same for every shot! Off left heel. Is this because the modern swing is different?
No there are just two ways of setting the ball position, constant and variable, they are both good and the results will be the same there is just an adjustment in stance width with the constant ball position
I straight pull my drives left if they aren’t hit straight, is that a swing fault or should i move the ball slightly towards the middle of my stance?
Tough one Anthony as moving it back should straighten them out a touch.... but they may fly far too low and lose distance. I’d keep the call forwarded and work a little on path with the driver 👍
My guess is, as a total beginner and from the few beginner youtube videos I have seen, in either extreme position you would still cut the turf in between your legs but miss either ball. Or maybe, with the ball in front of the target foot, you might slice it and the ball would shoot out along the ground but have no flight.
Another great one, thanks.
When I played I could put the ball back and still hit high due to my ropey flicky swing. Changing ball positions didn't do much to fix my hook either. The best fix for it was the "super stay down" which went against all teaching theories.
My ball position stays the same every shot.
Inline with the inside of my left pec.
The only thing that changes is my trail foot position. Wider stance from low lofted clubs. Close stance for high lofted clubs.
Yeah perfect, constant ball position works for many 👍
Chris going on this basis is the traditional position for driver wrong?
No I’d say what’s been coached is correct, but I don’t think as an industry we have been good enough at communicating what this ball position can do to impact and therefore what may need to be adjusted in order to cope 👍
Ball Fwd: Ball is impacted as club arcs left around the body causing a hook left.
Ball Back: Ball is impacted as club face is still open causing a hook right.
Pretty spot on
Chris, I would appreciate your views on the one ball position advocated by the likes of jack Nicklaus. I have had some lessons with a guy who will only teach this method only altering stance width.
Hey Jamie, a ball position which moves around would be the same as a static ball position with a changing of the stance width. Both work well and will create the same relationships so it’s just whichever the golfers feels more comfortable with 👍
Super stuff! Thank you.
Ball forward high hook. Back low slice?
excellent vid, thanks
way front will give you s harder time to get your impact position right and it can end up in thin shots or behind the ball striking.
mid is much better and the way back is to steep and top the ball and very low shot difficult to stop the ball.
Very informative video Chris. Great info.
Thanks Randy
Loved the graphics
Did not know this, thank you very much Chris!
Forward will cause a hook and back may cause low and right ball flight
I think the ball forward position will be topped or high and weak
The ball back position will be low and left with a lot of run
Very good! Great! Thank you!
Topping foward ,digging when back
i tend to hook the ball alot, could this be down to the ball being too far forward?
Hi John, afraid not, if you hook the golf ball then more likely that the ball is too far back if ball position is the issue
ball position Forward ball travels left and high flight Ball position left flight low and possible push or fade right
Perfect..... very left 😂
@@ChrisRyanGolf The ball well forward used to be a drill for over accenturating weight shift and worked very well. however it did cause hip slide to an excessive amount to hit the ball straight