Vive XR Elite....Worth the Money???
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- čas přidán 28. 08. 2024
- On this LIVE episode, Tyler explains his first hand impressions of the Vive XR Elite after using if for a week.
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I have to agree with Jeff Messer's comment at the end "it's not expensive, people are just too used to Meta subsidizing now. We have to stop accepting ad driven subsidies". Seriously, while the price is not inexpensive it's cost is comparable to a new phone these days. Given that they run on basically the same hardware that doesn't feel unreasonable to me.
That said the comfort on the XRE is the best thing and the FOV is the worst. I feel the rest of the kinks will get worked out over time... the same as they did with the quest.
I'm keeping mine.
Yeah I am absolutely willing to pay for something if it can or will perform to my needs. But for me, at the moment, I feel like I don't have enough things keeping me I'm the headset. I have some more test to run, as well as using Virtual Desktop, which may solve my issues, so fingers crossed
Well... it doesn't steal my data. That alone makes it worth for me...
Who or what doesn't steal data in 2023
@@coprice94 Well... HTC apparently...
@@refardeon89 if you say so
I just sent mine back. Im done with small sweet spots when I can get the QP for a cheaper price and that headset the sweet spot is basically cover the entire lens.
I thought this would have the same sweet spot since it essentially has the same lenses as the QP. I guess I'll find out in May when mine gets here
Yeah that's a big one for me too. If this headset had better lenses and higher FOV, there's no doubt I would be keeping this headset
@RenderedReality Me too. The small sweet spot is literally the only reason why I’m sending it back. I was willing to put up with the rest of the issues, might get it again if they heavily discounted it is not worth over 1000 how it is right now. Maybe 500 -700 range is a fair prize.
good info, really appreciate it, right now I am feeling like it is going to be a Quest 3 for me and then a BigScreen Beyond v2/rev2-5 model. I've decided to skip the first gen beyond. I really look forward to what they can do after the Beyond ships. as their first headset I feel that they will be more likely to ship a revised product or 2nd gen model not too long after (possibly a rev increment every 3-4 months? and a v2 maybe 16-20 months?) and that it will be very similar but a big step forward for them compared to what the Bigscreen looks to be launching as. The only monkey in my plans is valve... IF valve can give us something in a 5k-8k display range with the same quality, FOV, and higher ppd as the index, I'm in, even at 1600-1800 usd.
If you spend that much on a headset I think you should feel thrilled with it. If you are feeling meh, it should be returned.
That's exactly how I feel. At CES I was 100% feeling that way, but after putting it through its places at home, it misses some things it should have. I really feel like I can't keep it, unless my next few days of testing changes my mind
Thanks for the stream, doesn't seem that many people are trying out this headset and especially nobody else that I value the opinion of so nice to hear you're opinions. I think the only reason I would pick up this over the Quest pro is the glasses mode but not worth the expense just for that feature.
Yeah its tough when comparing it to the Pro, but all in, it is a good headset
Great to hear your experience with it. This is what i feared, that the Vive XR elite kind of came a bit "late" to the party. YES its way smaller/lighter than your average VR headset, yes it has diopters and kind of a hybrid glasses style and battery in the back. But the chip is the same as Q2, XR2, so the standalone performance will probably be as expected. The standalone library is still not the best, i fear that the Meta Quest - library has the upperhand when it comes to standalone. But they can be beat if Vive or Pico gets some juicy exclusives.. Not sure if that will ever happen though.
The Quest Pro price drop really came in hard and competitive just in time for XR elite release. Its much easier to recommend the PRO now. For me, having played almost exclusively standalone since i got my quest 2, the quest 3 cant come soon enough. And the gaming showcase cant come soon enough either :P I still want the Quest Pro, but thats almos exclusively from an ethusiast standpoint, and is not something i actually need 😅
This headset can be stand alone or hooked up to a PC and has steam access
About the bad pc streaming, I’ve seen a lot of people say to turn of “dynamic resolution” I *think* is what’s it’s called. It’s turned on by default I believe and many people have said turning that off makes it much much better. I don’t have the headset though so you might want to check that with someone who has tried it themselves
I'll have to try that, seems odd that one pc works and another doesn't, but could just be some kind of issue with compatability
I have a Quest Pro, a Varjo Aero, a Pico 4, and a PSVR2. While the light weight is nice, the Vive doesn't bring anything to the table that interests me. If it had OLED panels that probably would have motivated me to buy one.
I just sent mines back. I like it but I didn't love it. For 1100, I had to love it to keep it. Gripes that I had with it was the facial interface isn't as comfortable. I felt like it was a bit too hard and gave me a headache after a while. Also, while using an external battery, the backlight of the screen would suddenly turn off which I had to go to the vive menu and slide the brightness up and down a little. After a few more minutes the backlight would turn off again. The visual were pretty decent. Definitely sharper than quest 2 but not 1100 better. I mainly bought this headset for comfort but tbh, it wasn't as comfortable as I thought. I think my quest 2 with my kiwi headstrap is more comfortable. All in all, good headset. Maybe a consideration if they manage to iron out the bugs and there's more third party comfort options and if there's a price drop. But for 1100...in my opinion, not worth it.
I have been debating about returning mine as well for pretty much similar reasons as yourself. I am by no means a content creator but I will be making my own video with my thoughts on it as well. So hopefully more people can get a better understaing of this headset and who its for.
Also for me the streaming app works very well and I only had to do some small work arounds to get it to work since my antivirus was blocking it from working. I also might be the only one who has tried both airlink and virtual desktop and have had better results with airlink than with virtual desktop
I guess what I really wished to hear was the obviously small sweet spot and the heavy ghosting / god rays. I got both quest pro and vive XR Elite and it's a no brainer that if you're paying this much they you should go for a quest pro. I've returned the Vive XR Elite now
Same here, and can confirm your take. CZcamsrs seem to just keep silent about the quality of the lenses. Mine also had distortion around the edges, made me dizzy. Still disappointed since I wanted this thing to be as good as it looked...
Didn’t you know the Xr had the depth sensor that the quest was supposed to have it has better tech
@@jasonsellers7394 well... Quest Pro makes up for it by having eye tracking and face tracking which XR Elite completely lacks. Also, majority of people will use these headsets for VR content, even though xr is working just fine on both. Vive dropped the ball on this one and didn't expect Meta to discount Quest Pro to become cheaper. I literally had both of these and after a good time spent it was a no brainer to return the xr elite and keep the quest pro.
Hey there.
Mine Vive XR Elite streaming works fine on WIFI6.
I'm using AX200 and windows hotspot to make a direct connection. (There's some hoops to jump through. 100% windows)
I think you missed some settings in the streaming software.
Disabling dynamic bitrate can reduce pixelation.
Change "Streaming graphics preferences" to Ultra can improve image quality.
Lag might be caused by poor WIFI connection. Mesh network might be bad for streaming vr content.
I need to mess with the dynamic bitrate, but most else is working fine. Though today's project is changing out my hub for a switch, and all my ethernet cables to cat7.
Yeah - I just sent back my Elite XR , My friend brought over his Pico 4 and it blew the Elite XR out the water . I cannot see how an extra £1000 is justifiable . IMO if anyone thinks the HTC Vive elite is worth £1300 then you are just kidding yourself. I compared playing Assetto corsa compitzon with the Valve index , Pico 4 and Elite . The elite was a pinch clearer than the Index but no where near as good as the Pico . How can the Pico 4 smash such a expensive headset out the park for £350 , My advise is send the elite back .
Not used a Pico 4 or XR Elite but I have a Quest Pro. Have you compared Pico 4 and Quest Pro? A tad sharper than Index sounds terrible, ouch. I upgraded to the Pro from a Vive Pro 2 and Reverb G2 the Pro made them look like trash, XR must be bad to barely eclipse the Index.
Everyone seems to love Pico 4, especially for wireless PCVR.
@@kevinbrook7033 Ya, the Pico 4 (which still is not officially available in Australia) looks like a very good value headset for wireless PCVR using Virtual Desktop together with a strong gpu (rtx3080 or better?). Too bad that its lower quality screens (no mini-leds) are not Local Dimming capable like the Quest Pro's. I guess you get what you pay for, and still probably good enough for most users.
China though, no thanks
@Ty I bet you watch their TV's , use their phones , PC's and eat their food though lol
@@tomc1380 it's £379 in the UK! Sounds great for the money.
I own the Vive XR Elite and love the size and versatility but I can see why people are not completely on board. With the advent of very likely Apple XR headset, Valve Headset, Quest 3 and very likely others spec wise the Vive seems to seem like a generation back in video quality. But the software issues are likely going to be fixed pretty soon especially in regards to streaming to PC. If you seen Ifixit teardown they where really impressed by the design and the battery swapping technology and the fact that there are two displays instead of one. Few surprises for me is the FOV and easy to swap between controller to hand tracking very seamless.
Regarding your charger not being able to fully charge the battery in a reasonable time or power the device in glasses mode: you need to use a charger that supports USB PD (USB Power Delivery) and at least 30W power output. If it does not, it will most likely fall back to 5V/3A max, which at 15W just isn't enough.
16:50 it didn't even have a depth sensor when you reviewed this thing 😭
Hi . Is the WiFi 6e working on this elite ? Or we have to wait for a update like with the QP ?
I mean PSVR is 100 FOV & this thing is on par w PSVR 2 110 FOV so anything more then PSVR is a win for me since I havnt experienced anything beyond that. 2 hour battery is fine you should be taking breaks from VR every hour anyway. The resolution and cost is the only issue but the comfort level and finding the sweat spot I'm sure is amazing. These glasses might always be on the back end of each generation so prepare for that. Just need to come down on cost. My issue is I own a PS5 not a PC amd I don't plan on getting 1 so I'm limited to 2 options
Needs to sell battery separately amd knock off $100 so they can advertise it for $799. I hear it's a little heavy on the nose without the battery but splitting the payment makes it more affordable for the average consumer, since you can use a PowerBank. Maybe knock off $100 for buy seperate controllers and advertise for $699 & be super competitive
I'm guessing that the deal breaker for Tyler when it comes to the Pimax Crystal is it's weight? It has been getting excellent previews in terms of it's graphical capabilities and a significant upgrade from the previous generation of HMDs.
Yeah, it is solely on weight. After messing with both at CES, the weight is an extreme difference between the two. And yes the visuals were really nice in the Crystal, the ergonomics just didn't feel as good either. But much better than my 5KX haha
@@RenderedReality Have you seen Bradley's latest video on the upcoming Bigscreen PCVR headset? It has lighthouse tracking, a DP connection, uses modern micro oled screens and is even smaller and lighter than the HTC XR Elite. Although it is not perfect, the positives outweigh the negatives. In his words, it is a headset that he can easily use and enjoy all day. Comfort is one of it's greatest assets. Had I not sold my index a couple of years ago, I would be seriously interested because like you - weight and comfort has become much more important to me than it did in the pioneering years.
It's getting so close to the XR2 gen 2 or whatever they call it chip to come out, it's hard to recommend any hmd with the current XR2 chip. The latest headsets have really nice form factors and optics, when they come out with models using the gen 2 chips the upgrade cost will make a lot more sense.
It's for ppl uncomfortable with helmet style headsets, regardless of being behind, someone will want it. They might wanna sell controllers amd battery seperate to cut cost for the consumer, maybe even come down on the price 100-200 too.
I have a index should I get this?
I think I'll go for this headset even if not that big of an upgrade over Quest 2, just to support what HTC is doing and get off the Meta train. Kind of an expectations reset for a headset that isn't sold for as much of a loss and doesn't sell my data.
I thought the xr had 110° fov? Isn't that more than the quest 2?
The other review/preview on here said they were unhappy about many parts of it sadly... so you're not alone.
Yeah, which sucks bc I wanted to love it so bad
Wanted to like it a lot, tried but knew I couldn’t justify either … software amazingly is the Achilles Heel
I received mine XR Elite yesterday and i'm disappointed with it, the wifi seems not as strong as the Quest Pro. I been disconnected many times and the store is very slow to appear, i was also blocked to update it, the update stayed blocked at 0%. For now i prefer the Quest Pro. Talking about the UI, it's less confortable than the meta. The face cover is really uncomfortable. Controllers looks so cheap. Also HTC dont explain how to claim the 5 Apps we could have for free for people who have pre-ordered. I'm really thinking to send it back.
If it weren't for the facetracking module coming out, I would not keep this headset. The fact that this headset will be so light, have wireless and facetracking is the biggest reason I'm keeping it, especially since the quest pro's facetracking is completely subpar
Have you tried using headphones with this headset? I'm afraid it might be uncomfortable to wear over-ear headphones with this as the frame runs very close to your ears.
I'd probably prefer the Quest Pro over this as it comes with a halo style headstrap.
I haven't felt the need to use headphones with it, as the built in audio is actually pretty good. The Quest Pro in its stock for is really uncomfortable to me, as it puts an odd pressure point on my forehead. But luckily it's something that can be addressed now with aftermarket accessories
Is it better to just get vive index or no? The last system I owned was HTC vive 1. Maybe I'll wait I dunno
valve index *
You have some really cool mixed reality glasses there with awesome tech I had to watch another video about it just to see how cool they are. You made them look uninteresting in your video.
If you have the cash to blow the Pico 4 is awesome for Steam.
Wait for quest 3
10:00 Completely disagree. Controllers can be as light as air for all I care as long as button presses, triggers, and thumbstick movements feel nice and smooth, and no creaking of the body when squeezed... Which these controllers do not do. They do feel cheap :/
Glasses wearers: I only have the Q2. I want this or Pro. Does this having build in prescription lenses make a diff, or is the Pro comfy? .. I use VR Wave lenses for my Q2.
I wear glasses and both actually work great for this. Though if you have a pretty strong prescription, I would verify it falls in the range for the XR Elite. And The Pro is very comfy with glasses bc of the halo design
Wtf? The headset didnt come with a charger??
Wall charger no. And the link cable is only 3ft btw…
Nothing comes with chargers now days. But my complaint, you require a charger with a higher rate, then you should absolutely include one. As well as it protects the device by receiving the correct watts/amps
@@RenderedReality my quest 2 did
I believe the qpro comes with a chager as well
Come to think of it so doesnt pico 4, so actually everything but this one comes with it
Eero is not a great router for this. Especially if it’s the same router that the rest of your house uses. Try again with a dedicated TPlink or Asus access point/router. Have only gaming PC and headset as only two connected. (PC on wired)
I need an index with Quest Pro lenses and displays.
And eye tracking and facial tracking imo
Yeah, I'm with you. I wish Valve could just make another headset truthfully that was wireless
@@namegoeshere197 eye tracking sounds good for foveated rendering… but I don’t care about face tracking.
Sent it back.. was very disappointed with it.
Sounds like it’s trash. Send it back. I couldn’t hear one good reason to get it. Get the quest pro and when quest 3 comes out you will already have the pro controllers for it
What the Hell is that add on that covers the nose?
IMO thats a lot of money to spend on something that's "kinda sorta" an upgrade over the Quest 2. If it's not a clear and obvious choice that this would be an upgrade over the Quest 2 as your DD then it's an obvious decision. The Quest 3 is right around the corner, and keeping the Quest 2 until then costs you nothing. IMO it's throwing away $1000 as both headsets will inevetibly tossed on the no longer used pile when the Quest 3 comes out. That's a lot of cash to throw away on a 6 month rental that's not even a clear upgrade over what you're using now.
You nailed it, if I can have just as good of an experience in a headset I already own, I feel like I will have a lot of buyers remorse
I think this headset was 12 months too late personally. You just can’t release a premium xr2 headset when we know the xr2 gen 2 is only 6 months out with twice the horsepower. It’s a shame as we need competition.
How do you know a gen 2 is coming in 6 months?
@@meki___6881 it's in the Quest 3.
@@kevinbrook7033 ? i dont understand
@@meki___6881 Quest 3 ships later this year with XR2 Gen 2 chipset, meaning XR Elite will be obselete.
This is why these guys are trustworthy. They may be sent free accessories and game codes ,but they spend their own money on expensive headsets! So we get a refreshing genuine opinion about a VR headset.Not an "Exclusive Early Access "opinion from Career CZcamsrs who's honesty can be questionable. .
Come on guys, what did you expect from HTC? Just looking at the spec and headset says a lot. Resolution and FOV are important factors in next-gen vr which were overlooked. Yes, great comfort and but PICO was already comfy and somehow managed to get best pancake fov, high res and low price, unbeatable.
Shawn here, I am going to send my Pico 4 over to Tylera for him to try for a while with Virtual Desktop.
Before launch I said I'd buy it for 750, then in the middle of their launch I said 600, now I think I'd rather only pay 500 for it haha
Yeah, I would say it definitely compares to a Quest 2 more than any other headset
Because alot of people spend a short amount of time on the controllers, they must just be pretty standard and average.
Pico 4 seems to have a worse pc vr experience than XRE, so that knocks it out for me. The quest pro and XRE have minor differences which seem more like personal taste to me. Quest Pro and XRE are both USB C so not the fidelity of display port, but XRE does have wifi 6e. I have read that quest pro pc vr is not playable wirelessly.
Believe me, the differences between the XRE and Quest Pro are NOT minor. The lenses and displays are night and day, as are the controllers.
You ramble too much, collect your thoughts before going online dude.