Why NO ONE Plays: Nilah | League of Legends
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- Nilah is one of the most interesting "ad carries" in League of Legends. But despite having room for incredible carry potential, she's one of the least played bot laners in the game. For today's episode of Why NO ONE Plays, we'll be discussing why.
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Nilah's biggest problem is that rather than giving her a base kit that fits Botlane and let her be her own thing, they used her passive to jerry-rig her into a role she doesn't fit in, and if you try to build her the way that is intuitive given her kit, you are punished by her unique scalings.
That was the whole point of the champion lol, they wanted a skirmisher marksman. Obviously it would've been much simpler if they wanted to just make her another bruiser
IMO the biggest problem with her is that they designed her to be a late game scaling hyper-carry. If they made her strong early/mid and had her fall off late then I think she'd work out just fine, but she's got to compound her inability to farm effectively without taking damage with her terrible early game. She'd make a great bridge to the world of skirmisher botlaners, which is something we need if Riot is going to keep putting marksmen in top/mid/jungle.
@@shadenym5094 the problen is they took the turning into a bot laner super hard on her scalling but dint give her a kit that plays nice with most supports. H
She also is the only bot laner that can get flat hard coutered by picks. Cait+ poke support shut her down period theres no plating it dafe to get through your just fed
My main issue is how team dependent she feels. I don't feel comfortable playing her into a melee comp where we need range, into a selfish support (lux/zyra/brand) because you don't get any extra healing to deal with poke, and I hate playing her with poke comps because you get cc'd and die the second you engage for your team.
On paper she would have been a great jungler too but all of those tailored jerry rig scalings just make her so bad at anything but ADC, and even then.
The thing that let Nilah keep all the broken parts of her kit is the fact that no one plays her
Exept nothing in her kit is actully broken.
Her xp seems busted but it barely makes up for the fact she can be forced of her farm
Her heal powerup req certain supports to work
Her q dmg requires 4 items before its a threat
Her dash seems op but really arnt do to her atk ranges shes either in there or not
Her Dodge has a high cd and dosnt last long
And her ults is her 1 way outside of items to self heal and scales off the number of enemys it hits.
Ya she has probaly one of the strongest late games but even that has its counterplay.
Her cit scale locks her i to subpar items for her playstyle
2.5 second/longer than jax e = doesn't last long@@D00ML0RD1
@@D00ML0RD1her W is absolutely a broken ability and so is her Q. Have you read her Q ability? That shit is overloaded as fuck, and I’m a Nilah player myself. And it doesn’t require 4 items before it’s a threat, it’s already a threat at 1 item. Most people just don’t even know what the champ does and also max the wrong ability first. You are supposed to max E first but most people max q because they can’t read
@@joaobrito2653 ive played her shes git no dmg tell wat larer out aide of a vert good matchup she loses lane
@@D00ML0RD1lol just because a champ have counterplay does not mean they are balance, by your logic then every champ is balance then, none of them has ever been broken because they all have counter, CHAMPS THAT CONSIDER UNBALANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO GOOD IN WHAT THEY DO. she only need 2 items to be a threat, 4 item above is like omega threat, her Q is overloaded as f*ck. Her W effect is insane, and her ult is a super ult, it's not the healing that make it strong, it's the fact that her ult is a gigantic zone that group enemy in one place for a wombo combo set up, her ult is one of those ult that just strange up win the combat for you if you land a good one
Yone players can take what they know and apply it directly to the uninstall button.
They have a champ with melee range, fast autos, multiple dashes, high turret damage, a skirmisher type of defensive W and a high damage sustain ult. They took that champ and decided she wouldn’t do damage with her Q or have sustain unless you built crit then also decided that she only has a passive if you force her ADC. Rito did what they always do with champs that go outside the role they “belong” in except this time her “role” was so incongruous with her kit they had to destroy her other roles before she even launched
Good. No other lane wants to face something as disgusting as that. She makes Vayne look tame.
@@HSE331if you’re gold peak maybe
@@Taeyeon89 Don't care. Champs don't have to be OP to be nasty to play against. Look at Illaoi and kangsante.
That's why Valve always has the better philosophy in 'carry' roles, BKB & Satanic makes sure they can do something² in a teamfight other than dying.
²by context.
she is perfect fo the Laneswap meta G2 is trying to push in
The issue is that Nilah is balanced around her passive, which gives bonus XP. This means the rest of her kit must be designed around the fact that she is *intended* to miss minions and XP. Remove the bonus xp passive, and suddenly you free up the rest of her kit to give more; more range, longer counterstrike, more damage, etc.
The fun part is figuring out what replaces her passive.
@@P.H691 Indeed a fun challenge, but you could literally have the bonus shielding and healing passive as a full passive. Don't forget she gets that on top of her bonus XP, LOL.
Honestly, were I the one designing a melee ADC (this next part's a ton of yapping because I'm into game design, you can ignore it), I would have made a character, something like a hunter, with a bow and a knife, prioritizing skillshot auto attacks as your ranged attack, and who could slowly close in on a target to deliver an executing blow with a melee attack. Now this is, in a sense, not a truly melee range character, but let's be real--melee ADCs don't work in the current bot lane meta. You would need to rework the entire lane if you wanted something like that to be fair.
Welp if I learn something from nilah wild rift just make her passive to be the current passive on her Q (lifesteal on crit) plus old bt and there you go nilah just out of botlane and become mid / top / junggler, on top of that wild rift still have 25% crit rate so yeah she better in wild rift as non botlane.
@@williamou3005 you just described Samira LOL
Or jayce@@LuizAugusto-st3bb
Ironically, Nilah is my comfort pick for adc. I usually feel vulnerable and not very strong with conventional marksmen.
It feels like everything you can get from Nilah, you get from Samira but better.
@@munchiemunchie5226I prefer nilah’s macro test more than Sam’s micro tests. She’s just easier to execute compared to Sam while still getting good results
Ironically, every time I play her, I just die. I just feel really vulnerable and uncomfortable with Nilah c:
@@munchiemunchie5226 I did try Samira beforehand. She is fun, but I didn't enjoy her as much.
@@Kilesfactor That's a shame. She's really a blast. Weird to get used to, but for me, the effort was definitely worth it.
Wild Rift completely axes her bonus EXP passive and changes her bonus heal and shield passive to just lifesteal based on crit, akin to Nasus, so she can actually get good value out of an engage support, plus, Wild Rift only need 4 items for 100% crit chance instead of 5, so Nilah gets going faster, and she has the option of building stuff like Guardian Angel or something.
Funnily enough this also lets her thrive in the Jungle, I have no idea why.
They Axed Jungle Nilah, she deals reduced damage to monsters now 😅
Honestly, Kinda interested in Vars doing a video on some of the changes some champs get in Wild rift compared to their PC counterparts. Ive seen a few that are apparently pretty different, like Teemo having a combat roll. Might be interesting to contemplate the changes in design and how it might effect League if they ported said changes over (its not 100% of course, a mobile game HAS to have vastly different controls compared to a normal PC game but still would be an interesting analysis)
You can jungle nilah it just takes more time to get going
@@blazichaos7181 would agree with that too, but we will definitwly need to wait
wildrift is an entirely different game with different balancing so something that works on mobile maybe wont on pc, see: pyke wildrift for example, he is whatever in the real league but with training wheels on, everyone has nightmares about him
Ya as a nilah main you right I even feel unstoppable with a soraka or sona support
Nothing is quite as fun as duoing as Soraka with Nilah
I prefer taric have fun trying to kill that
imo yuumi is even more fun
i also love the Nami/Nilah
Nilah is a refugee from Inside Out who's emotions were all burned to death except Joy.
It tends to lead to the most atrocious 1-6 grind, but Nilah/Renata is insane once you both hit your 6 spike. Suddenly you've got the most insane engage and peel and you start getting big damage too.
As someone who has been the Renata on a nilah Renata bot duo I will say that you are right.
Early game is quite miserable but holy shit when you as Renata get your peel and when nilah gets to scale it's actually ridiculous. All of Renata's abilities are designed around being able to help an incredibly powerful auto attacking carry and nilah is basically the pinnacle of that in the lategame.
I would like to also suggest Nilah/Yuumi.
1-3 is unplayable but it’s surprisingly hard for damage to stick after first back. At 6 you become basically a bruiser and once Yuumi gets Moonstone you’re actually unkillable.
Main downside being acknowledging that Yuumi exists, but it’s pretty fun to face roll into a full team with 0 life steal and come out with full health and 3+ kills.
The best support with nilah is sona. that healing from w is insane and super combo from ults
Nilah swain is also very fun. Exspecially if swain builds unending despair. Just chill beside him in the ult and you basically habe a perma heal for each other.
Nilah/ nami is a very good combo and nami can help out of the early game pain. also you still get the very nutty 6th
Nilah is like the Kayle of botlane, if that makes any sense 😂
Yep that’s a really good way of putting it
I always thought of her as Melee Samira tbh
AD Diana
As a Nilah player I took that personally.
must suck to be a no one
you'd know @@lol24q
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nah i fw it as long as nobody plays her shes gonna stay broken
As a Nilah Champion Points world no.1
Agree.
Love the ol' cheese comp of Nilah and Taric, you just play super aggressive into the enemy and win hard due to the extra sustain and once tarics ult comes online, the two together produce an insane amount of damage mitigation.
I definitely agree with your points of Nilah needing the supports to know how Nilah works. I’m a Nilah main in Master elo, most players in that elo know how Nilah works. Her lvl 2 spike at 8 minions instead of 9 or lvl 3 at 3 waves instead of 3.5. So people usually play around that, both enemy and your support.
The main issue arises from her not being a blindable adc. If shes against a heavy cc comp or long range poke comp or a double range matchup bot, its going to be a hard time. So you usually would need to see the enemy team comp before picking her. However with the swapping introduced in champ select, adcs, sups, and jg usually go first, so you dont see the full enemy comp b4 picking.
And newly in S14 with the grubs, supports liked to roam up for it leaving you and the enemy adcs to stare at each other bot for awhile. So your exp passive isnt being utilized until they come back.
I always forget about her passive. :
As a nilah main I’ve been waiting for this for so long
There are dozens of us
So what are your preferences for support? As support main I am truly curious as I have never supported a Nilah once.
@@bocconom I have over 50 games with nilah with 70% wr and the best supports to play with nilah are swain , camille , maokai
She's literally my key to climbing ranked along with Jinx. When she is ahead she snowballs like crazy.
I think her main fix will be a simple mini rework, making the healing part of her passive more useful universally. Maybe a way to make her heal herself more so she doesn't require a specific, other champ to make work.
I like the idea of shaking up whats allowed in each lane, but they need to be careful how they do it. I still find Pyke an annoying mistake of champ, but I think his existence is good. It shows a willingness to shatter whats normal an what isnt.
They did that in wild rift. Her passive is just ” after an attack crits heal for 20% of the damage, over heal gives a shield insted”
She don’t need an enchanter and works fully on her own. For better or for worse.
And she still is the less picked adc in the game people where using her a lot in jungle bcs she was working better there then came the huge nerf on her dmg to jungle monster i tried her on mid and the small lane plus too much poke she is not good there and toplane is still a problem and as an adc she only feels usefull with 6 items together with the sup problem plus all adc having a huge range and you with a trynda range makes the her really unfun to play in general everithing is against you
@morr6591 that's a nice start. I still think they need to give her more. For example: better base stats. The compromise for being ranged is less stats, and she is not ranged, so she should have better base stats imo. That or make her able to gain more sustain from her abilities (although that can be risky as well if too good early, if can be too much late). The issue overall is treating a Melee champ like a ranged champ. She isn't, so don't treat her as such. It's akin to treating Urgot like a normal ADC. He's a juggernaut first, and that takes priority for how he's balanced.
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 and that is the problem in wild rift also her early is still bad but late game if allowed she can easy 1v1 a mundo if she is full build and heal a ton her problem in botlane is her "time" i think early game too bad it takes too long to get to a good point with her but when you get to that good point she is too good but her too good comes too late they shoulf balance that i think takes a bit of her late game and put in her early mid she is too much of a problem in general
@DaviVolpi437 yep! They need to straighten out the power curve for her, let her actually have a chance to survive early game but not make her oppressive late game.
As a Nilah player I took that personally
bot stole your comment and got 5x the likes😜
Unrealated info from a Soraka OTP: Soraka Q gives her HoT (heal over time) effect.
Nilah gets healed whenever Soraka's Q HoT ticks which is like 6-8 visually times and if Soraka uses her W that HoT effect is given to the target as well. The noise that Nilah's passive effect makes when Soraka heals herself with Q so Nilah gets a heal combined with Nilah heals from Soraka QW so Soraka gets healed is truly by far the funniest thing and noise I ever wittnesed in my 14 years with league 😂😂😂
I don't think I had any idea what Nilah's abilities did before this video lol
I play Nilah botlane a lot with my partner who mains soraka, the moment I have to play to with another support that synergies even a tiny bit less the difference in my ability to survive fights or have meaningful impact is night and day.
That thumbnail is very nice! I like how it’s more focused and neat
12:44 Nilah can become a more frequent pick if they introduce more melee bot laners, since once critical mass of such characters is reached, they will all go form niche picks that aren't exactly worth it to master, to a main stay
it's kind of similar to what Genshin's Navia has to deal with, there aren't enough DPS characters that take up half a rotation to do their damage to compliment her, which lowers her meta viability, because the only other character that fills that role is Ningguang, and she is trash due to being a 4* Geo DPS, also known as the second worst possible combination of attributes a character can have in Genshin, only behind 4* Physical DPS units
Samira was the first champion that I truly fell in love with playing - when Nilah was revealed, I was super excited because I thought she could be my backup for when Samira was banned... but when Nilah released it just felt like she was the far lesser version of something that was already doing just fine...
Yeah, it is the same thing. I would think that I would love to play Nilah because she is a late game hyper carry, but she kinda feels souless compared to playing Samira. It also feels like I can't even have her as a backup because I need to permaban Nilah because she is by far the most horrendous matchup against Samira, it feels like if I play against Nilah as Samira, I just lose, there is nothing I can do because her W just straight up makes Samira useless.
as a mid lane main from s13, she was easy to learn after I tried learning other roles with the new map changes. i didn’t mind her weak early game bc i like to play a very safe laning phase. putting her with a enchanter support is fs the best way to maximize her kit. during late game, i was able to dive and kill a whole enemy team with a yuumi support!
Nilah is one of many riot's failed champions. But in this case failed in a bad way not failed as in being broken like yone samira and others
I mean I don't think Samira is broken, I think Nilah is what they were going for with Samira but then they doubled down.
She's such a meh champion in everything she is. Meh appearance and design, meh lore, meh kit. She isn't much of anything. Also her voice is annoying
based opinion @@munchiemunchie5226
She has the highest win rate bot…
Nah i love Nilah
It's been a minute since I've watched your videos. But it reminded me why I used to binge them in the first place! Gonna replay alla them while gaming yeeeehaw
Every time you post a “no one” plays I get the sudden countercultural urge to play the hell out of them, so thanks for the Ls my guy 😎
FINALLY AFTER A LONG TIME. I remember the day I commented on one of your Twitter posts about this and it's now happening YIPPIE
Nilah is an incredible split pusher AND has absolutely insane team damage.
She's only bad if literally nobody on your team does their job.
If your support isn't getting farm trades and going 1 for 1 on spells, you're at a disadvantage to begin with no matter who you're playing as or against.
If you leave her unattended by mid game she'll walk right through towers even if she's behind and if you send anybody except the VERY strongest duelists she brutally stat checks them or just walks away.
The first time she wins a duel in sode lane the game is over. She'll be at full health by the end of the wave, they'll have to send someone else to defend the side lane, and now your team cross-maps them for everything they've got
The struggle is that she has all these major problems, and things you have to know and play around as the Nilah, while praying your support knows what they're doing,
And then, when you do all that successfully and can use your strength lategame... suddenly everyone complains that Nilah is broken, no-skill etc.
Well, the lategame 1v3s, 2v5s and pentakills make up for it.
Ironically Riot trying to rotate ADC meta is like an all you can eat restaurant changing the dishes at the counter. Different foods for those hungry solo laners to feed on, and not get bored of killing the same champs
Being honest for the way that Nillah works it gives so much vibes of Quinn and Corki... And i think that it would be a moment when with a change she would end in completely different role
as somone who plays every lane i love playing nilah mainly because i was a kat main so i enjoy here dashes and she was the champion that finally got me to play adc since this was the only lane i didn't wanna play since it's play style wasn't really enoyable to me well at least until i got her and started to play her and it was crazy i won my first 5 games in a row either way im just yapping now just wanna say she is very fun and i kinda hope she never becomes meta because she is basically my only adc well her and zeri she is fun too.
I love how theres some people on youtube literary speak for a huge community in a right way just by oberserving the situation. Great content man
I knew this day would come :(, I just didn't know when. I love some Nilah.
I have two friends that duo together with me as a third friend. When they both lane together their most successful picks were Nilah/Yuumi. They were unstoppable if they did well in lane. Crazy not a lot plays Nilah than your usual bot champs
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As a yone yasuo 2 trick I picked up nilah on pbe before he release and she immediately became one of my best champs I already had adc experience from playing aphelios
In Wild Rift Nilah is a jungle skirmisher like Yi. Riot could rebalance her there and she'd probably find more success.
I haven’t seen anyone play Nilah jungle in wild rift tho
@@bibuleher top players are al junglers, but she is very situaitunable (idk of i wrote this right) pick.
They actually nerfed her jungle, making her basics do basically no damage to monsters. Of course, they *would* have to nerf her despite already being weak, because she is a complete balance nightmare like Samira. Both of them are just ult bots that can 1v5 easily, or completely useless champs who can literally contribute nothing.
As a monster hunter youd think shed be a jungler anyway
yet another "fun detected, remove fun" moment from rito@@FeiFongWang
her passive should gain a shield when a nearby champ CCs an enemy, gives her more synergy
I picked her up lately she is so op but none plays her so rito doesn't nerf she has a similar play style as Samira both EQ and can all in at early levels but nilah feels more difficult to deal with when she gets ahead cause the. She has 3 lvls ahead everyone or if she behind she can easily catch-up she isn't feast or famine like samira I'd say she is Samira but better
I love this champ but I’m also a deranged mofo that learnt adc by playing kayn bot in s10 when I opted him. And nilah just played like kayn did where u chill untill u get a wave bounce or an opportunity to all in. It’s fun and I love it
Nilah is one of / if not my favorite champion. I feel like a god fighting other marksmen lategame, and against melees in general. Tank fighting with passive lifesteal and armor pen is also great.
As someone who has mained ADC for a decade, I found Nilah to comfortably fall into my lineup because, despite seeming like she is a foreign entity, she has a very close sibling in bot lane named Samira. I play a ton of Samira, not as much as Vayne, but enough to understand the ins and outs and her kit is essentially button for button the same.
Q to deal damage, just a line instead of Samira's melee swipe. Use it during dash to get a free (almost) guaranteed hit.
W to avoid damage when you're getting focused
E to dash into the enemy team or out of a bad spot
R when surrounded to win the game
as a nilah main i second all of this. described everything pretty damn well. going from cait/jhin/trist and adding her into that pool was hard but once i got the hang i can play her better than i can the others ONLY and i mean ONLY if i am in a duo Q with support. ( GF sitting next to me lol ) i found that nilah works really really well with Milio ( his auto range boost with is W is too good on her ) and rakan. especially if you W you and rakan before he goes all in. ( since you block all the autos he can just walk up and knock them up at that point )
but on ARAM? GL to the other team when i get collector, boots, and quickblade. currently sitting at 70% winrate with her right now
As a top main she is my go to if i get autofilled adc, the playstyle is definitely familiar, you just need to communicate what you need with your support, if they are any good they catch on pretty quick
Unpopular opinion as 300k nilah main :
Nilah could be a great jungler if they buff her in many ways :
- more dmg on jungler monster + drakes
- more resistance from their dmg
- buff her when she is near water
Because nilah thematic + lore
Fit very well in the jungle !
She knows baron nashor and she slays legendary monster's and demons
And her abilities depend on water
She will have something similar with diana on ganking ( lvl 6 )
Also she will not take much xp
When ganking and pushing waves
And can give her allies move speed + ghost + dodge auto/reduce magic dmg
So she can really be playable as jungle with her currently passive !
Or if riot want to change her passive
She can be a good top laner
Because her dmg on towers is insane
But that will make her unbalance
As ADC and will change her alot
So i prefer if riot buff her as jungler
Because that will be alot easier
And will fit her lore accurately 🔥
I really like how they made Nilah in Wild Rift. While not absolutely perfect, it gets rid of the trash passive she has and allows her to be played in jungle.
the three houses music is crazy
I've been playing Nilah and I feel like the hardest thing to pick up is knowing when to go in and learning her trading patterns. She's so fking strong once she gets a couple of items but that's because she pretty much HAS to be in range of everyone to do her thing, while building no defensive items. Also her laning is hard, especially against champions that want you to go in on them like Karma, Thresh, Alistar, etc; or long range marksmen like Ashe and Jhin.
Trading? Whats that? (nilah main here)
Nilah launch was nuts. I watched one 1v1 a jax who had an item and a half and multiple levels on her by standing still and pressing every button. Most 200 years shit I've ever seen.
I learnt Nilah and I thoroughly enjoy playing her. I’ve already got 23 penta kills this season alone on her and ranking up is so easy because I 1 shot the enemy team late game. You just need to farm well and be confident enough in your ability to scale to let a dominant matchup win early without killing you so you are still able to maximise your gold.
I decided to main her a month before the last season ended. Never had as much fun AND success on botlane. It's a bit delicate to make your support understand to play around you though :,)
Vars could tou judge my rework idea?
- Auto attacks (ADJUST): she should have only her Q cone ranged attacks as AA and she can move while attacking, so she can have more room to trade with other ranged champions.
- Passive (NEW): each 6 whip slash hits (auto attacks, Q and Ultimate) towards enemies, she gain a temporary barrier that could stack into a certain limit. Exceeding barrier will be converted to heal
Another possible implement: If has nearby allies, her passive barrier and passive heal will be share/divided for all of them.
- Q : same
Empowering: more range and brief stun all the enemies hit in the area
- W (NEW): same , but she use only in herself and gain temporary attack speed.
Passive: absorb some enemy damage dealt to her, converting into energy to her orb, empowering her Q
- E: same (but change her q interaction animation... Instead a wave could be a whip slash)
- R (NEW): a violent whip slash sequence in a rectangular or cone shape, that damage all enemies in area. It has a long range and she could move during the cast. Each hit per enemy counts as 1 whip slash. After cast she gain temporary attack speed. Can be interrupted by CC abilities.
>Duo lanes are born of the duality of marksmen and supports, where supports don't need as much gold and marksmen must not be alone as a tradeoff for dealing damage at a safe distance, aka, first move advantage.
>Build a melee champion with the disadvantages of a marksman, yet not their fundamental boons.
>She is difficult to balance and play around.
Nilah main here 😢 yeah your right
3 Weeks ago you made a comment on this channel that you were a Kog’maw main lmaoo, someone’s lying!! 😮
(Plus you made this comment a minute after the video came out so you didn’t even watch it 😂)
@@owlson2527 I play adc in general you can have two mains dingus when I’m bored of the other one I swap
@@Muuony My dude, you have an Yandere, dont argue!!!
Thats your chance, use your best Rizz!!
@@owlson2527damn cooked
Hey Vars! I've been watching you for a long time and I was waiting for this video for the longestttt time, as a Nilah main, thank you. I was afraid you were gonna mention how she should get nerfed into the ground because of her godlike late game.. She's my favorite champion and she will always be meta in my mind ^_^
Still love the background fire emblem music
Good thing with Nila:
she pairs with enchantment supports who where buffed and pushed into bot by Riot.
Bad thing with Nila: that random support is suppose to pick op enchantment supp that works with her and know whats going on.
Or play all in tank, next thing thats always good.
Everytime i played Nila i got Lux supp, true story.
HOWEVER once you DO figure out and pick up Nilah, she is very fun and very strong. She is very matchup dependent however, if shes matched against most of the long range ADC's, shes going to lose. She can win/beat most mid to short ranged ADC's, but her weakness are long range ones like Cait. Also her support is important (as outlined) but the support she is against is also key. Shes a good champ, but far too narrow in what matchups she wins.
In my experience. Nilah works better with an engage or poke support than enchanters. Regardless of what you do in the lane you will get poked out if you just cs. So going on the offensive and going for the kill is more efficient than trying to farm under turret. Nilah is really strong early and late but has a massive dip in the midgame
In my experience, the main thing holding Nilah back is her passive. Because of that bonus healing/ shielding, support players will alter their picks to try and get more value out of that. This is a trap. Not only do supports, because they're unfamiliar with Nilah lane, pick champs to increase her passive value, but they tend to do this despite not being well versed at those champs themselves. It's great that they are thinking about stuff like this, but as I said, it's a trap. She needs engage support, not healing and shielding. She has adequate sustain to deal with some pretty rough matchups on her own, between Q and early life steal (and conqueror in fights), so the support providing heals and shields is just redundant.
What really helps is engage support. Someone who can go in with her and set her up. She has no cc outside her ult, so something to help her stay in range is great. If the support goes in too, her W has more value, and that is much more important than getting bonuses off her passive. What that passive does do, however, is give her an easy level lead. It's pretty rare that she's pushed off out of xp range, and every minion last hit is bonus shared xp. You know who likes xp leads? Melee engage champs.
Nilah is actually decently strong early compared to enemy ADC. Every time I pick her up again, it's like "hooooly shiiiiiit, why am I not playing this more".
I got my first Penta with Nilah, but yeah a lot of the things said in this video is true. I even hated when I can’t cs properly when the enemy duo goes poke.
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I main mid and jungle, but when playing with friends i was sometimes forced into adc role, nilah was absolutely perfect for me
I duo bot lane with Nilah and my sup spams Pyke. In low elo, it’s the freest lane combo ever if Pyke spam engages
As a Fiddle jg main, Nilah is my favorite adc. She plays somewhat similarly so she’s easy to pick up.
Nilah is clearly support reliant. I have played her but only duo because she requires a lot of communication to get going and for the support to adapt to her playstyle and matchups. The fact she is so low ranged makes early kills only possible if you play around your passive level up, play perfectly or you have a very consistent aggro support but not getting these opportunities delays her impact on the game more. In earlygame, her dashes are good part of her dmg and if she gets zone out and cant use them on the enemy champions she loses dmg and conqueror stacks. She is melee but she plays like an adc, builds like an adc and has the stats of an adc. She is a really nice champion but no wonder why most adc mains wouldnt play her whereas bruiser players wouldn't really play duo bot and be abused early game playing in hard mode
This video should go viral.
I think the way nilah xp work is it make the xp shared -1. Meaning that 2 people gaing xp like there were alone. 3 people gain xp like the were 2people sharing, etc. Cause the way xp share work in league its not linear. Its no like if 1 person will get 100xp, 2people will get 50xp each, they get something like 70xp each.
Nilah biggest problem is that she is meele with ADC stats
Her resistances and HP scaling are low and she has only one defensive skill, making her as fragile as any ADC while having no range advantage
Also being meele gives her broken stats over items and runes, Riot keep those interactions such as Bork, Conqueror or eclypse and although it looks nice Nylah doesnt need those broken stats on items as most of her Power comes from crit items that doesnt change from meele to ranged
Also she is a nightmare to kite, having to land your Q every 3s to do anything on a fight is honestly ridiculous
As a Samira main, Nilah was an interesting experiment to me when she first came out because she felt so similar but nilah somehow being even more supp dependent is the reason i couldn't put her in my adc rotation
she is so fun and cool! i played nilah when she was free (vs bots) and i wanted to main her IMMEDIATELY. but a bitter surprise awaited ahead. eh, i wish they would rework her for another line or smth...
love how you say that "will nilha ever be meta?" and the next week she is the top adc at 56% wr in all ranks
Tbh I think I would just put it as follows
1: Nilah is forced to be played bot lane
2: The vast majority of people who play bot lane want to play ranged class cannon marksmen
If bot laners wanted to play a nilah style champion they would probably be playing a different role in the first place
Is that Tales of Symphonia music playing in the background? Reminds me of one of the dungeon themes. It sounds so familiar.
dwellings of the ancient gods, its from the game fire emblem three houses
@@eduardocardenasmoreno6705 Oh yeah, you're right.
the problem is that nilah also needs her support to stick by her side but in current league the support leaves for vast portions of the game to secure both grubs and roam which hurts nilah even more than most other adcs unless shes ahead enough to 1 shot the enemy adc
My favorite champ, I like the feeling of rushing into the middle of the enemy team
It's the passive that Gates her from getting leverage for a better Playstyle, The point of her design as a skirmish marksman is there, But there's Limitations and it's too stupid of a Limitations that she's almost unplayable on 50% of the supports out there.
Out of the 10 best support with Nilah, 10 of them are either Engage or Poke (Maokai, Brand, Renata, Leona, Tahm, Zyra, Swain)... This video is kinda talking shit, she works just as well if not better with engage and poke supp than with defensive enchanters.
@@guiliguilde literally though. Nilah is super strong even from her early game (2 AA resets with E charges) but she's often locked out of that snowball potential cuz people have assume that just because her passive seems enchanter-oriented, she should always be played WITH enchanters.
P.S. Pyke is my fave lane partner with her.
Happy to hear Fates music.
I definitely agree with the main point that Nilah is unlike any other "marksmen" out there and that it would be tough for that environment to get used to her playstyle. But I also think that that mainly applies to people who play JUST marksmen. The majority of the playerbase, or at least the vast majority of people I know, have a pretty wide champion pool with all very different playstyles, ranging from marksmen to bruisers and tanks. People obviously have their preferences, but I don't think that for people who switch their playstyle a lot it is THAT much of a challenge to adapt to the scenario with Nilah on the botlane.
There could definitely be some tweeks made to make Nilah feel more familiar, but I also still like her the way she is :).
The problem is there is hardly any nilah players to learn from, and normal adc guides dont work for nilah the same way.
Nilah is a solo laner with parts of her kit taking power in a duo lane... very good design as always.
the reduced viability due to her passive is HUGE. But I also think about part of why she suffers is that her gameplay is super linear. Her E and W exist mainly to support her being melee in bot lane. So her Q has to carry the bulk of her damage and gameplay, but since its just a simple skillshot and Cone AA's shes not very exciting. U hit Q, ok thats all u gotta do then. Im surprised she doesn't also seem to pair well with Bard or ivern , but ig Taric and Rakan are just much better combos
Nilah is like kayle. Their kits work in a 1v1 and 2v2 setting. But through bad champion design, Nilah was made to not perform in a 1v1 setting while kayle can work in a 2v2.
As someone who played adc when I still played league I absolutely hated playing against nilah. It always felt like she got all the broken parts of a skirmisher without any downsides. Thank God she had a small pick rate
Nilah, my first pentakill on my third game on her
I know im a bit late but what they did in wild rift is honestly what they should do for nilah in pc to make her feel much better
This video made me finally pick nilah as my main adc and you guys aren't kidding about feeling like a god late game.
Another amazing breakdown video Vars. No one does it better than you
The main reason is Samira, Caitlyn and miss Fortune exist
Right? Why would you ever play Nilah, when you can play Samira who's 10x more fun to play than her.
nilah counter cait and fortune lol
@@diagonal3715samira has the lowest winrate against nilah. In lane you trade for free with W and later in the game you again press W and 2 shot samira.
@@Captain-qv8yu i said cait and fortune, samira suck
I feel like Nilah is still strong in the right hands even with a support with no shields/heal. I think she likes fights that are in her favour and prefers cc set up to get kills and snowball.
another example that shows how Bot lane understanding each others champions is so important is the story of Yuumi, literally the champ with worst win rate in the release and this si because even if it the most basic champions without brains that exist is so weird to adapt when you always have another player in your lane and know it's just comething attached to your body
PD outside of the theme: And for me this case would be always the example of why it is better for riot to see proplay to make balance changes, because if it was for the results SoloQ that thing would ended up really buffed
personal confession: i hated when sup picked soraka for years. When i mained Nilah it changed 100% and now she's my fav support lol
I do see a couple of mayor issues with Nilah right now that hold her popularity back massivly:
1. She is a bruiser disguised as an ADC
2. She does get punished WAY to hard for not building Crit
3. She scales too hard and is powerless without Items AND levels
4. She is heavily crippled with a proper engage support at her side (On paper the best pairing)
5. She can't survive or function in other roles
Without a mini rework and allowing her to ALSO be picked in Toplane, she'll be nieche if not unpopular and that might be by design
The joy unbound
Except bot lane, which she is bound to
I really want to see a Nilah ult and then an Illaoi ult right after her. Imagine!
I think as other's have said, they really pushed her to far into botlane with her passive. If they changed the passive entirely and just let her, exist, without the need for a support and no bonus XP or Healing she'd get played more, not as an ADC but as other roles. Wild Rift just axes her passive exp and healing all together and gives her a different one, she can jungle effectively in that game and I'm honestly pretty down. I've been playing Nilah a lot in URF, I'm a Jungle and Solo Lane main, if I could without her being exceedingly weak, I'd play her in the jungle in a heartbeat she's so much fun but unfortunately riot really really REALLY wanted her to be an ADC and ONLY an ADC.
i think if they give nilah a similar crit passive to the wind brothers she could be better maybe the break point at 4 items instead of their 2 and gives her 100% crit one item earlier than other adcs. i don't what would have to be nerfed to compensate though
I feel like Nilah is statistically meta already and her being a sleeper pick only helps. I get so many botlane duo's that basically have no respect for my dmg or its scaling so by the time they realize that i can 1/4 their health with a Q it's already way too late and Ive slammed the lane no problem. You can play around poke and you can still have massive presence 3 items deep. She's definitely not in a bad place at all I think its legit just a community diff overall
shes a water bedning samira, but instead of working best with hard engage supports like samira does, riot designed her to work with supports who do the exact opposite,
Yeah which makes her counter productive. Both her and Samire requires other champs who just hard engage jump on the enemy so you can stay back for a bit than follow them to kill all of them. Otherwise both of themdiving is solo ends in them getting 1shoted.
But at the same time Nilah require enchanters or Taric/Rakan to make her passive work the best.
Vars said it the best otp players who duo looks good on her, but when they play it Nilah passive looks absolutely broken as there was games where they got lvl 8 meanwhile me and my suport was halfway there to lvl 5. If you dont abuse her out of lane in the first few waves than that xp lead can get out of hand pretty quickly.