Bison Hunting Experiment With Atlatl
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2022
- Thanks for watching. Time, effort and energy went into this video and experiment. Not all shots were shown in this video, but the analytical data will be published at a later date by Devin Pettigrew through his various reporting sources. Thanks to all the bakers and a special thanks to Marissa and Justin for making this experiment possible.
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“I don’t have a college degree or anything, i’ve just been throwing an atlatl my whole life” FUCKING LEGEND
This was my reaction as well. He's in a field of career students and is like, "hold my quiver!"
Agree!
“Oh you hunt Buffalo? What do you hunt with?”
“Stick and rock.”
I don't know why that made me laugh so much: "I have a PhD from so and so university, oh for my masters degree I went to so and so university" and there comes the actual caveman " Oh don't have a college degree or anything I've just been doing what you speculate about for the past 20 years" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am impressed how cooperative the bison was during the experiment.
You're honestly doing more than anyone as far as helping teach a generation about early and primal life on earth. Thanks man!
Appreciate you watching and following the journey. Much respect. Thanks.
Good stuff he has here. He needs to team up with Gil at hunt primitive
Actually he's not, Ryan Gill on the other hand is.
@@tristanyoder8218 I was just about to say this very thing. I didn't realize so many people decided to copy Ryan. I dont even see the purpose of this. Only a couple of the shots are where you would want them and the thing is laying down, dead. This isnt much of a test. Other than telling me what happens with you throw something pointy at a dead bison.
You should contact Tod Cutler from the CZcams channel "Tod's Workshop" about a collaboration comparing throwing weapons. He does tons of experimental archaeology involving throwing darts/javelins.
That is a good idea! Thumbs up man
A little graphic , maybe but I have to believe this is an accurate representation of this weapons capabilities . More accurate than ballistic gel or hay bales.
Now just imagine getting close enough to a heard of larger prehistoric bison with this weapon 20,000 years ago .
Love watching people explore how primal people survived and thrived to bring us to what and where we are today.
he has a very great skill, i have been following him for a long time. I'm always watching to learn more about survival skills in the wild and crafting things like him
“Primal” is pretty fucking derogatory
Dude had me on the intros everyone else-" such and such college degree" Donny-" I dont have a degree I've just been using an atlatl my whole life" you sir are an absolute legend. I really love the way you break down things in a way that is easy to understand for the common person and the way your so focused on teaching traditional skills and techniques essentially keeping them alive keep up the amazing work.
I couldn't help but notice the difference in size of the people doing the study. You definitely brought the shoulder mass to the study. Great video even though I was hoping for a live hunt.
I did what I could. I may not have been able to help financially but I shared it as much as I could on social media.
Thanks so much.
Donny has a PhD in Badass.
Can't wait to see the information you gathered once it's released. Your personal assessment explains the results I've seen in my own hunting.
Must have been wonderful to have been involved with this project.
Very cool information, love seeing how effective the primitive tools of our ancestors were.
Ingenious, cutting-edge ballistics technology. If we lost all our tech today - I wonder how many thousands of years it would take us to re-invent this. Quite amazing.
I love how everyone is like “Yeah I’m balbla and I have 12 PHDs.”
And your like
“Yeah I like to stab stuff with rocks.”
Heard those things were a big part of American culture, imagine being able to eat that all the time.
Ive lived in America my whole life and never eaten one lmao so Idk about being a big part of American Culture, but defo a big part of American History and probably part of some States personal culture
Bison and elk, such beautiful, powerful, magnificent, and supreme tasting, creatures!
The American government killed most of them off trying to kill the Native Americans
@@Myrathosghost meant The Real Americans like before the 1500s. They are very different genetically than people from the eastern hemisphere and lived with the bison for millennia.
@@krono5el it’s still a big part for native Americans
Amazing video Donny, really gives perspective. That penetration is quite the thing, suddenly having a sharp stone in your body a sloppy 60 centimeter from where it punched through is nothing to scoff at. Thanks for working with this, and the stone tools did a very clean job.
The amount of time it took to hunt, prepare, and cook a meal is humbling, to say the least. I mean how would they even move the animal? Time to research!
I am convinced modern society would benefit as greatly as I have from this video. My nephew will love this!
Thanks
Technically i think you could just field dress carcass straight away, and cut it to smaller pieces. Butchering it fully while its hanging just makes it easier. I would imagine with mammoth sized critter you would kinda have to do that as well
I guess the people in those days really were that strong
Thanks. ✌🏻👊
This was a great experiment! You and Ryan gill are my go to guys for the science of the atlatl
You touched on a bit that was interesting to me when you mentioned penetration ability. Was the weight of the shafts all standardized? With the weight of a heavier shaft the weapon will carry more energy into the target. I wonder what is the ideal weight to tip ratio for penetration on top of spear tip design. Would more shaft weight and less tip help or hinder? I’m sure there’s a diminishing return as over penetration is wasted energy. If this has already been discussed, I apologize. Thank you Donny and crew for the demonstration!
This is the kind of experiment I like to see.
Genuine use case scenarios, proper period equipment and good data collection practice. No speculation here. Just cold hard fact.
he has a very great skill, i have been following him for a long time. I'm always watching to learn more about survival skills in the wild and crafting things like him. Hot boy CZcams, i love you.
literally was eating graphite out of a pencil till i saw this
Thanks Donny, great research
how freaking cool.
You and your colleagues have added a treasure trove of knowledge to us thank you
Since everything is about to be virtual you are gonna teach people of the early days.
So cool to see you today Donny! Thanks for the knucks! 🤙
My pleasure. Hope your appointment went smoothly. Thanks for watching.
This was very interesting. i love seeing how primal people hunted, along with types of arrow heads.
Outstanding and useful study thank you!
Thank you dude for this video, very fascinating study.
Great vid, was planning on making an atlatl for me and kids, for fun and recreation, and also for the peruvian game to catch the birdie with the dart, looks a lot of fun. This vid was great, what a difference in the points, was having fun trying to guess the penetration with the style. Great job al of ya, thanks.
Very good information. I've just started throwing the Atlatl with practice points. Now will try to flint knap a hunting point. I have access to gray Edwards Plateau chert from San Antonio. I'm scheduled for a wild hog hunt in September 29 with my Atlatl.
Very interesting experiment. This shows what a viable weapon the atlatl truly was. This would be the first tool I make in a survival situation.
Congratulations on a successful experiment! I wish I'd be able to be there - see you next time!
Thanks Autumn. Devin crushed it…he just needs to heal up and we can move onto the next!!!
Next time, they're going to need drone footage. I'm just saying, an aerial view would've been so helpful.
Wow that was amazing and educational. Great job.
Thanks bro. Appreciate it.
I’m here for Donny! The other academics, not so much!
What was the distance of the throws? What is the longest effective, how close can you get, etc? Fascinating experiment.
Very interesting video. I wish they had recorded the hunter and weapon handling.
I truly find this type of history fascinating it really puts things in perspective
Excellent work. Would like to see more about the atlatl.
This amazing 👌👌
Mr. Dust is the biggest expert out there.
Very interesting
Hell yeah! Bummed I missed it. Heading out west this week though.
I'll just keep scrolling these awesome videos!!
I found a fleshing blade made out of petrified wood in Saskatchewan. 🤙🤙
We Friggin' Love You Donny Dust!!! You "Rock"...Pun Intended!!
Very interesting experiment! Can’t wait to see the data once it’s been compiled. You are a very talented survivalist!
Love the video bro
Let us know when the Report comes out and where to find it, thanks Donnie. JJ
So question to donny what is the best stone age projectile in ur oppion for killing deer quick cus the bolt and run far wen hit
That sinew held up nicely 12:01
Man... I'm hungry after watching that
Wow! This was some great information. I've mostly hunted axis deer and wild boar and with a seasoned atlatl thrower, they could easily take down a deer or boar. I was curious about processing the bison. What cuts did you get from that? I know it's scientific, but did you get to take hime some good cuts? Just hate to see all that go to waste lol.
I can't believe the depth you're getting.... I always assumed these were for smaller game. Why are your arrow heads purple after they are attached?
Your channel is about to get binged.. you can anticipate a new like on every video
18:02 One more question when the pieces that were shot get stuck do you guys go looking for them or as you’re cutting away you find them and put them on The side
Walking the path of those that walked before, thanks for everything you do Mr Dust
Congratulations on a successful experiment! RIP, beautiful blue cherts. (Next time, you have to get Autumn in on the kill.)
Did you take weights off darts into consideration? There has been a few different pages now doing these tests with primitive gear. I've been hunting with my selfbows for a few years now and am now really starting to experiment with more contextual equipment
After thought to my previous question. What sauce do you plan on eating the buffalo wings with?
Bearded man has mad field butchering skills. I'll bet that rib meat and the back strap were amazing.
definately the game changer in our hunting and survivability in the earliest of days eh? What a game changer.
did you eat the bison's meat afterwards?
So, when are we going to test small atlatl and arrow points?
cool
Great video, I liked it. I myself started making videos about my adventures, so I'm interested in everything. Grretings from Belarus tourist. ✌️
It's amazing to me the way ancient people were able to make these weapons & throw VERY accurately during a hunt. Often, this was the years meat supply for a tribe or family. Imagine moving them to butcher, and carry back the meat. In most tribe\family's, this was done by the women. Strong people, back then...
I am jealous. You are living the life that I should be living. If I would of had half a brain, I would of started living like that about 40 years ago. But when I retired from the military, l was tired of living outside of society. It wasn't till years later that I realized what a mistake I made and by that time I had remarried. Now I'm 70 years old and falling apart. You know what they say hindsight is 20/20 and forsite is blind.
Absolutely my friend. I hear you. As I’m close to turning 44…I’m afraid to stop! I’ll just keep going until that time comes. Thanks for your service and much respect 🤙
It'd be amazing to see Ryan Gill and you hunting together
Always thought anthropology would be fun, but on the end Donny does. The books part not so much.
This was impressive, cleaning that carcass was hard work.
Donny sent me here 😜
Donny i love your videos! New sub cant get enough! Great work to everyone on this video TY.
Appreciate it greatly. Thanks so very much for watching.
Thank you this is a very informative and interesting video sir I learned a lot if you have not shown how to make a atlatel maybe you could thank you again five stars my friends
I have one coming soon. Thanks for watching.
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Awesome animals, and this experiment was well done. (Pun intended) It is some of the best meat on hoof!
How do you deal with ticks and other pests in the bush?
I'm not in the bush a lot but dirt works for mosquitoes pretty good and ticks you pull from the base
@@FinalJesse yeah I'm trying to figure out how to keep them from attaching and or getting on. We have ticks here that are tiny, like you have to scratch/dig them out with a fingernail. No way even the pair of tweezer made for it would get it.
16:58 what do you guys do with the Entrails
Disclaimer: No animal was harmed while making the video
Serious question. How effective do you think an atlatl would be to harvest a hot pocket? Specifically the Philly steak and cheese one
Not very, I think. Those buggers are fast, you wanna trap them.
Thinking about it, you *might* be able to get the pepperoni pizza hot pocket if you're quiet when you throw.
Didn't they hunt bison by just herding them off cliffs?
No. There aren't many cliffs in the Great Plains where bison dwell. Pretty much just one site, actually. (Don't rely on books, or shows...most of them are BS about the stone age. You've got a perfectly good brain. Use it.) ;)
When circumstances called for large amounts of meat and situations made it possible to harvest in that way no doubt that would be preferable method used for getting the job done for time spent to get amount needed also less damaged lost and ruined gear,weapons and tools to locate,find,salvage/gather and replace. Along with alot less time spent to track every single animal harvested and and process. And tracking those that are wounded but not mortally and are on the move maybe headed to water or just on the move and or wandering in many different directions increasing odds of losing animals that may die and not be found quick enough to harvest before lost to predators. Most importantly is determining if any were wounded but not to point where they'll lay down bleed out and expire in that spot if given time to do so,which ones and how many you have at hand and locate their specific direction of travel and start to track each and every one of those ASAP and try to determine from sign available type/location of shot/hit/wound each animal has and if you need to track and finish so animal will not get away and/or live in pain rotting away with gangrene or crippled or long enough to lose it's trail and go to waste for nothing. But this way would be used whenever possible for one reason over all those others combined and that biggest reason is(in my opinion) because of risk involved is much greater all other ways and herding off cliffs,into box canyons or into valleys that end at a river or lake shore not only makes all around shorter work of makin meat it's safer for the hunters on the job.
@@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking A cliff isn't the only natural land feature that will work to harvest multiple bison and have for most part control and option of where is best possible area for majority of those taken to lay when they expire this was more productive mounted on a horse but still a great productive tactic with majority of the actual killing being done by the animals themselves! There's also at least 2 major sacred cliff/bluff areas I'm aware of that were used many,many thousands of years on the plains of north America and if I'm aware of those 2 places, I'm gonna take your advice and try to use my brain and say those people knew of 200 others and forgot 100 more that would make em meat,clothing and shelter! Also great plains was just where last few of their kind wound up to be when they took a last stand for their species. But there were herds in more areas of the continent than there was areas they were not at the height of their existence. And were taken with "drives" on cliffs,bluffs,canyons ,caves, valleys,thick areas of woods,steep wooded or barren ridges, small hills with steep grades that die out directly into flat level areas rivers,streams(or kricks as we call em around this neck of the woods),lakes,ponds,swamps,marshes frozen over or not,snow drifts,natural and/or man made funnels. Also by way of turning leading edge of stampeding herd with "posted drivers" or decoys back on themselves. And any other area or way that you can get them to pile up on eachother preferably from a panicked stampede.
In lots of large animals bones, and such to my understanding are stuff like stone heads or remnants of damages from hunters. I guess cliffs are good when there is one close by for large animals. I also imagine they used some kinda pit traps stuff like that lot. Just because for example native americans some times used cliff didnt mean they used one every time or every group of them.
Cliffs where used if it was convenient, but they also did things like having teams of chasers and hunters, with the chasers scaring of animals into the direction that’s convenient for the hunters to get in hits. Some cultures made walls or embankments to hide behind and pop up at the last second to get in a good hit. People employed things like scaring sticks, used bushfires to drive animals or laid in ambush on known routes that prey animal take.
It should be a lot of fun. In Thailand there is nothing like this.
I hope you got the hide and sinew from it
Wouldn't the data be more accurate if there was only one person throwing the darts?
No. You want different people throwing as it provides results with different factors.
The data would be more useful if they had hundreds throwing the darts
@@DonnyDustsPaleoTracks if you're trying to test the penetration capability of various arrowhead, then yes. A single person throwing the spears would provide more accurate data, eliminating factors of experience or skills.
Yall should get with Steven Rinella from the MeatEater show and podcast, him and his team butchered a bison with stone tools, they also has scientists to observe the work and are studying the bones, they collected extensive data that I think you would find very interesting
A couple weak dudes and a chick, then Donny shows up and saves the experiment with primal instincts of real men.
What does ethically culled mean? Like it was killed because it was old and/or sick? I don’t really understand the difference between ethically and unethically killing animals either, if someone can explain id really appreciate it.
To pick out the best and remove or kill the rest.
Ethical means killed quickly and painlessly. Unethical would be a slow painful death.
Now I know where all the cockail flags comes from. Never knew it got it's origins in the stone age...
Magnificent animals! I have no problem with the butchering. But what is difficult for me is the head. Difficult to see it getting stripped or cut off. How to deal with that?
The intestines are a bit hard too.
Simply witness it more, experience will bolster your tolerance.
I understand totally. The Atlatl throws, butchering and consuming of this bison is and how we lived as a people for thousands of years. I assess people these days, not all have removed themselves from this process and just consume. It’s important to better understand who we are, we walk the path people of people before us.
Dismantling animals was such an integral part of life back then; cultures were built around the difficulty of that reality; that is, killing the animals you love and worship in order to survive. For them, that was the only way the world worked. It was a necessity in life they were heavily involved in. They thought about it, told stories about it, created art and tools and lived by it. Culturally, dismantling animals meant something different for them, than it does in our culture. Different feelings are experienced, those feelings are rationalized in a different way.
The sad part is it's just expierance and understaning the circle of life is gruesome and partially becoming desensitized. For over a decade I had a lot of trouble with that part and it is still no fun at all to watch but it must be done.
If it makes you feel better I know guys that have been ranching for 20 years and still can't watch their cows be butchered, it's not a bad thing.
Did you guys get to eat the meat and organs and use the hide?
So these bison are already dead?
It was killed for the experiment for just penetration/damage testing on carcass. They cant really just throw javelins at living buffalo every time
This one was yes. It would be cruel to test it on a live animal without knowing with 100% certainty that it will be a clean painless kill.
What happen to your tv show Mud, Sweat, & Beards?
Saving the throw for??? Make the throwing edit please!
During the butchering, I didn't see the wings.
16:14 Look at all that meat and muscle fiber
I can see where a handful of hunters That grew up throwing those could bring home some meat seeing as Lewis and Clark noted buffalo herds in the millions as far as the eye could see
Guess one needs to take into account differences in musculature in primitive humans and absolute need to be effective with these weapons.
I half expected to see you cut a piece to snack on as you were butchering the animal. Lol!