At the end, the fact that Envy was able to, through sheer force of will, Command what is essentially the universe itself to take him to hohenheim, is beyond impressive. It shows just how deep his hatred for his father goes.
Agree, compare this to Ep. 50, as a complete 180 to where Envy had a terrified expression on his face at the mere presence of The Gate. Although that could've changed, had Envy known that Hohenheim was still alive much sooner.
I'm glad I read your comment Claydogg. I don't know if i'd say hopelessness, more peeimist. Like, the series seemed to be ed and al really struggling to justify their struggle. In Brotherhood, they had their resolve figured out mid way through. In the 2003 anime tho, it ends with them being determined to find each other, no matter what, with optimism. Then the movie ends with them finding each other, but being lost in our world, yet deciding to make the best of it and do wha they can to make it a better place. Honestly, not hopeless what so ever.
"But I don't know, I'm really more of a pacifist." Haha. Funny. Says the most sadistic and violent, war loving and murderous, unpredictable Homunculus in FMA. That line made me laugh out loud.
NAH!! Who you´ve described is actually Pride, not Envy.. Envy is just an apple that fell to the very trunk of it´s motherly tree.. sadistic, yes, manipulative enourmously however, he himself was being manipulated by his own mother and to such an extent that he wasn´t even aware of it.. a spiteful envious puppet, relying solely on his homonculi ability and parlor tricks he copycat from Dante.. But Pride.. that´s a different story.. Bradley.. well there can´t be said ANYTHING at all to existence of scrupules, conscience, morals or pretty much else.. ZERO hesitation to claim life/lives (one or countless) or not.. All being just perfect scharade of a devoted loving husband, benevolent yet firm and decisive leader.. It was actually him, who did practically all the work.. Lust was the ONLY homonculi with heart and conscience (even though it took her rather long time, and even that was practically solely mistake of Dante to treat Lust the way she did after second encounter with Edward, to realize who and what Dante is..) so she made choice to make things her way.. and with Gluttony she was a mere side support ( a tiny failsafe, should Pride and Envy make a blunder of the whole plan )
In full metal alchemist 2003 it’s actually pride who is the most insane, Envy insanity is reserved to his father, stay out of his way and envy will ignore you, unless Dante told him to kill you of course.
Envy is definitely more ruthless in the 2003 anime than he was in the manga and brotherhood anime. Not to mention that he had a more personal vendetta with both Al and especially Ed.
Envy in FMA 2003 is such a strong antagonist. Every time he was on screen, you knew he meant business. In the Manga and Brotherhood Envy was basically the butt of the joke, which to me always felt like a huge missed opportunity.
3:05 That single line, reflects so much and so well everything that defines this version of Envy, that hate, that rage, but also, that sadness almost to the point of crying, all this emotions reflects his conflict with hohenheim and mental state, and also, one of the reasons to why I love so much the english dub of Fma (either 2003 or Brotherhood).
I like when FMA Envy refers to himself as a pacifist while Manga/Brotherhood says there's no need to fight, someone might get hurt you know. In its in the tones, FMA is more calm and smooth and FMA is raspy and violent. It reveals a lot of their characters later on. The FMA's Envy slowly becoming the characteristic raspiness- revealing the violent bloodthirsty monster that he truly is. The Brotherhood's is very emotional, very sadistic, monstrous in his large form yet in its true form- its cute and trying too hard to be violent and in Envy's dying moments, its sort of mellow, babyish....kind tone. Showing that the FMA 2003 Envy is a monster at heart while the Brotherhood could've been better if allowed the chance.
It's weird. In the anime, Envy was promoted to a cold-hearted manipulative sociopath, essentially this anime's version of the Joker, with the highest authority among the Homunculi next to Pride and who ultimately didn't give two craps about his fellow Homunculi, to the point that he took to Dante's suggestion of "punishing" Wrath (and by "punishing", I mean "savagely beating") for the _heinous_ crime of missing his dead mom with sadistic relish. In the manga, however, Envy was a whiny ill-tempered little brat with no authority (he was on equal rank with _Gluttony,_ that should tell you how little sway he had among his siblings), and though still manipulative, his temper always got the better of him and he was ultimately a terrible fighter. He also seemed to care at least a little about Lust and Gluttony, the two Homunculi he was closest with. It's interesting just how different the two versions are, though I'm almost certain that most of Envy's popularity can be owed to the 2003 version, which made him far more prominent and vastly more interesting (though that's not to say Mangahood!Envy is a bad character, far from it).
CJCroen1393 I disagree completely. The Envy in the manga/2009 anime seemed to be much deeper in terms of character development. As opposed to the high ranking monster we got in the 2003 anime, the manga version seemed to be the actual personification of envy and jealousy. This was particularly evident during his death, which demonstrated that the confident expression he wore was really a mask (aligning nicely with his power of shapeshifting), and in reality he was incredibly self-conscious.
Envy felt more like a Wrath here than Envy. I'd even go so far as to say Envy and Wrath should switch namesakes in 03, because Wrath seeks to have what Ed has, a normal body and a mother, and Envy is fueled by his hate for Hoenhiem and wants to kill him. But I guess since it started out faithful in the manga, the 03 series couldn't walk back any roles aside from 2 others. Regardless, 03 is special to me. I adore it.
Envy and wrath aren't mutually exclusive. Envious people tend to either become very covetous (aka Greed), or very vindictive. 2003 Envy became the latter.
0:34 "maybe a taller version of you" is a line that just hits so different rewatching 03 cause like, both Ed and Envy strongly resemble Hohenheim, so its such a funny taunt cause like thats what Envy would ACTUALLY look like
Robie is right, but is very touching that at the climax of the music he says "to my father" and Ed cries because he is his brother in the end and all he wanted was to be recognized by the father he loathed for so long
@@robtheillusion5529 I know. But given how Conqueror of Shamballa was somewhat... lacking as a conclusion to the Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) anime, I choose to regard its canonicity as ambiguous, and view Envy's final scene here to be his 'death' scene.
@@Southhs Fair enough, I can agree with that. I wish the movie was longer. It was actually supposed to be 3 hours long. Even though I doubt this, I hope they remake it and add whatever bits of content were originally cut out.
This Envy is better than his actual depiction. By actual I mean how his mangaka made him. The studio took chances and made Envy amazing. A rare sight and does even out Kimblee's floppy mess in FMA
Kimblee was only a floppy mess in 2003 because they literally only had a name, a face, and a vague powerset to work with. Manga Kimblee didn't have any actual characterization at the time.
@@wakkaseta8351 XD Brotherhood Kimblee is one of my favorite characters in FMAB. I do know the 03 show had to wait on the mangaka to finish up a good portion until she told them to just do whatever which made multiple characters either better or worst than the manga counterpart Kimblee, Lust, and Envy being the best examples of this. But even with the terrible 03 Kimblee, that anime is still awesome. And 03 had multiverse so both are technically canon in their respective universes XD
Agreed, Bones Studios really took liberties with this continuity and made several interesting changes (like Envy being a capable fighter and an older half-brother to Ed and Al).
Envy was good in both. But yeah, the first anime makes him a little bit better. His personal hate for his father and would be brothers makes things just so emotional.
I still have difficulty deciding which Envy is better... Edit: I'm well aware the Envy from Brotherhood is the OG deal and a perfect representation as to a resentful non-human, not to mention the basic concept of envy. Buuut... I love how this Envy makes more use of his shapeshifting abilities, in addition to being a far better fighter. And the reveal that he's Hohenheim's son was a *very* interesting twist. I also find it ironic that even though this Envy wasn't responsible for instigating the Ishvalan massacre (arguably OG!Envy's most atrocious act), he's a FAR bigger prick in comparison.
They both have a neat character arc but 2003 has a better background whereas brotherhoods had better screen time seeing how he's much more involved and also has a sadder death
2:25 has got to be one of the most shocking moments in anime history. At least for me. Seriously after all these years I still cant believe they did that!
That would’ve been jarring to see Envy as either Ed or his true form in CoS, rather than a dragon. It would have been game-breaking if Amestrian’s/Homunculi like Ed and Envy could use their powers.
Envy has better melee fight skills in this anime. Envy in brotherhood has some good skills yeah, but in comparison, 2003 envy has better fighting skills than brotherhood envy.
Nah, the Envy is a good fighter in Manga/Brotherhood, is just Ling Yao and Lan Fan are much better fighters; Ling was able to go toe to toe with Bradley which should say something.
Well.. he is "Envy" a creatue which should lurk in the shadow and envy everything. It makes no sense for him to be "Badass". Pride and Wrath, they should be badass
@@arclight7892 Bradley was scared to fight Envy in this version of FMA though. Not to mention Envy is the oldest of the homunculi here. I believe he can also whoop Mustang with relative ease as well.
They don't have a gender canonically. In the Japanese they're referred to with 'kono' which is neither masculine nor feminine. So yeah they're not a man and their voice actors all being women isn't a coincidence, they're supposed to be ambiguous.
@@Soundwave._ The body is male tho so it makes more sense Envy is male, voice actors being female doesn’t mean anything, Ed and Al have female voice actors too.
@@Winskl9010 when did Ed have a female Va? Lol. Anyway I'd identify a characters gender based on their va, should they not be given a confirmed one. But even then if a va's gender is different from the character their assigned, i'd be thinking they shed a small ounce of the other gender at least. ;)
Sort of, but it's a little more complicated an emotion than that. Envy is wanting what someone else has, *hating* them because they possess what you want, and also wishing harm on them (Ex: You hope that they lose every thing or that you can find a way to steal it from them. In either case, it pleases you to see them struggle and hurt.)
I prefer Brotherhood Envy for a few reasons. I think both are entertaining. And, while I do like that FMA envy is a better acrobatic fighter. I wasn't a big fan of him being related to the Elric brothers. Personally, I think the Manga/Brotherhoods version of Envy, is a more interesting interpretation of what envy is and the destruction it can create when left unchecked. 2003's Envy is a jealous child at best. Angry at their father, and his new family by extension, for essentially moving on with his life after a tragic loss. That's not a bad storytelling choice, but I do feel it's somewhat basic. And I'm surprised someone could hold onto that hatred without growing after living for like 400 years. Brotherhoods Envy, on the other hand is multifaceted. There are rifts and correlations that occur as a result of the conclusion. I.E After we learn what Envy is jealous of, all of his previous behavior falls in line with the conclusion. The belittling attitude he has towards everyone. His flippant and toxic behavior/nature. Constantly feeling the need to prop up his existence as a homunculus and is therefore better then humans. The conclusion, Envy being Jealous of humans. Makes complete sense and even managed to shift alot of people's viewpoint on the character. Which I think is an impressive feat. There's more that could be said as well. As Envy's jealousy spawns from several aspects of being human. Not just human connection, which is a common reading among Brotherhood fans. However Ed himself points out several aspects of human nature during that confrontation that we can interpret envy being jealous of. The connection that humans can share. The determination to push through strife again and again regardless of the obstacles that stand in ones way. I almost wanna add more, but I think this works fine as an example. I think some of the other 2003 homunculus are just as interesting as their brotherhood counterparts. But I think I feel this way, moreso for Lust and Sloth, then I do the rest. Ultimately though. That's just my opinion.
@@BlazeWolf9511 2003 Envy holding onto that anger isn't that hard to believe when you remember that he was under Dante's thumb that entire time' a woman who held onto her own scorn towards Hoenheim for the same amount of time and who clearly encouraged the more negative traits the homunculi displayed to use them for her own ends.
The only thing I hated about manga/brotherhood envy was that he sucked at fighting so he was not able to back up his threats and became comedic relief near the end alongside gluttony and sloth. But manga/brotherhood envy was definitely more sadistic than the 2003 version because he enjoyed every person he made suffer while the 2003 version does it because of his hate for hohenheim.
The one thing I like more is how there’s not as much noise in 2003. Not every single big line is followed by some loud music. It feels more realistic and makes the Homunculus more intimidating
It really sells the idea that Envy became more and more deranged as the show went on. His hatred growing each time he showed up. Though it's probably Wendy Powell getting more comfortable in the role, the effect remains the same: Envy showcasing over time how much of a monster he is.
Because in our world where he went to, there is no alchemy like theirs or any powers, he couldn't transform back and was stuck that way, and I think he transformed into the dragon to have enough power to force himself into the alternate universe
+luliana Mihaela That's certainly possible. Personally, I always saw it as a nod to the patron demon of the Sin of Envy, Leviathan, who took the form of a giant sea serpent and whose appearance is thought to have been inspired by crocodiles.
Interesting, I thought of it as not having another body to inhabit in the other side. We know Ed took over another Edward-like body, an Edward of a different dimension. Maybe since Envy couldn't be created from alchemy on the other side there was no alternate place/person for him to exist in that world. So he had to stay in the form of a legendary creature just to exist instead.
Texarcana the legendary creature didn't exsisted too it was just envy I think he just didn't felt like changing form I mean he fought ed then got forced to stay in that form
Does this imply Hohenheim was able to stop the degradation of his own body by switching to an exact copy of his original one? Otherwise there's no reason Envy's true form should resemble him since he's been jumping from body to body. And if not, in this continuity, Ed and Al wouldn't even be "his" sons, anyway, but the sons of the man whose body he took over. :X
Ed al and hohenhime are very distinct from other characters so just change to some one who have yellow hair and yellow eyes its enough to ed to understand who is envy its just for symbolic
2003 anime: Male, since he was created when their child died of mercury poisoning. Brotherhood/manga: Genderless, I think of it like Desire from Neil Gaiman's The Sandman series. The Homunculi are born differently in Brotherhood. He's referred to as "he" but he's whatever he wants, really.
*IS THAT YOU SPANISH PEOPLE FORUM??? I LOVE YOU SO MUCH THIS IS ENVY MY HUBBY REIZE AND THE LUNNY OF HIM ED IS HS MINNI THE TRINITY OF GOD THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PERSON LIKE I HAVE THREE PERSONAS BUT MINE ARE ALL IN MY BODY HIS ARE BARABARA LIKE THIS*
At the end, the fact that Envy was able to, through sheer force of will, Command what is essentially the universe itself to take him to hohenheim, is beyond impressive. It shows just how deep his hatred for his father goes.
Agree, compare this to Ep. 50, as a complete 180 to where Envy had a terrified expression on his face at the mere presence of The Gate. Although that could've changed, had Envy known that Hohenheim was still alive much sooner.
But I hated it how it turned out with Envy being a mere plot device in Shambala.
Envy is effortlessly cool, way cooler than any popular main antagonist.
FMA 03 had such an air of hopelessness which is what partially got me into the series.
I'm glad I read your comment Claydogg. I don't know if i'd say hopelessness, more peeimist. Like, the series seemed to be ed and al really struggling to justify their struggle. In Brotherhood, they had their resolve figured out mid way through.
In the 2003 anime tho, it ends with them being determined to find each other, no matter what, with optimism. Then the movie ends with them finding each other, but being lost in our world, yet deciding to make the best of it and do wha they can to make it a better place. Honestly, not hopeless what so ever.
Ed gets beat up the entire series with the exception of Greed and Sloth he doesn’t win many fights
Does anyone know where to watch it nowadays?
@@weirdghost3064 You might need to buy dvds or watch it somewhere online for free. It's hard to find these days.
It definitely has a darker tone than Brotherhood.
"But I don't know, I'm really more of a pacifist." Haha. Funny. Says the most sadistic and violent, war loving and murderous, unpredictable Homunculus in FMA. That line made me laugh out loud.
Envy was just merely messing with Ed's head.
NAH!! Who you´ve described is actually Pride, not Envy.. Envy is just an apple that fell to the very trunk of it´s motherly tree.. sadistic, yes, manipulative enourmously however, he himself was being manipulated by his own mother and to such an extent that he wasn´t even aware of it.. a spiteful envious puppet, relying solely on his homonculi ability and parlor tricks he copycat from Dante.. But Pride.. that´s a different story.. Bradley.. well there can´t be said ANYTHING at all to existence of scrupules, conscience, morals or pretty much else.. ZERO hesitation to claim life/lives (one or countless) or not.. All being just perfect scharade of a devoted loving husband, benevolent yet firm and decisive leader.. It was actually him, who did practically all the work.. Lust was the ONLY homonculi with heart and conscience (even though it took her rather long time, and even that was practically solely mistake of Dante to treat Lust the way she did after second encounter with Edward, to realize who and what Dante is..) so she made choice to make things her way.. and with Gluttony she was a mere side support ( a tiny failsafe, should Pride and Envy make a blunder of the whole plan )
In full metal alchemist 2003 it’s actually pride who is the most insane, Envy insanity is reserved to his father, stay out of his way and envy will ignore you, unless Dante told him to kill you of course.
"Taller version of you?" Is that foreshadowing Envy? Cuz his actual true self is basically an older and taller Ed.
We never saw how tall "true form" Envy is, we only got to see his head in Ep. 50 and his upper body in Ep. 51 before turning into a dragon.
@@neosonic199 it can be assumed hes pretty tall. 😂
In short, yes
Envy is always touch affected I was told
only in the original anime. in the manga and brotherhood hes a parasite like thing
Envy is definitely more ruthless in the 2003 anime than he was in the manga and brotherhood anime. Not to mention that he had a more personal vendetta with both Al and especially Ed.
Envy in FMA 2003 is such a strong antagonist. Every time he was on screen, you knew he meant business.
In the Manga and Brotherhood Envy was basically the butt of the joke, which to me always felt like a huge missed opportunity.
I love when envy said "whoever you want me to be" it kinda sounded like a flirtatious attempt
Morgan Ramsey a taller version of you?
Morgan Ramsey haha who knows if it really was flirtatious
I'd bang envy into a messy puddle if it was flirtatious.
@@papermachete8071 yes and?
@@disconondrumemporium8632 he thirsty, but you gotta calm down
Envy: “What gave me away?”
Ed: “Nothing. I just don’t like that guy.”
For real though the fact that Ed didn’t panick was impressive; he saw Basque’s head blown out a few weeks ago
Envy: *Transforms in Mustang*
Also Envy: “Errors have been made...”
Envy: Now, now I know what you’re thinking! Should you punch me in the face? And the answer, may surprise you-
Edward: *punches Envy as Mustang*
3:05 That single line, reflects so much and so well everything that defines this version of Envy, that hate, that rage, but also, that sadness almost to the point of crying, all this emotions reflects his conflict with hohenheim and mental state, and also, one of the reasons to why I love so much the english dub of Fma (either 2003 or Brotherhood).
I like when FMA Envy refers to himself as a pacifist while Manga/Brotherhood says there's no need to fight, someone might get hurt you know. In its in the tones, FMA is more calm and smooth and FMA is raspy and violent. It reveals a lot of their characters later on. The FMA's Envy slowly becoming the characteristic raspiness- revealing the violent bloodthirsty monster that he truly is. The Brotherhood's is very emotional, very sadistic, monstrous in his large form yet in its true form- its cute and trying too hard to be violent and in Envy's dying moments, its sort of mellow, babyish....kind tone. Showing that the FMA 2003 Envy is a monster at heart while the Brotherhood could've been better if allowed the chance.
But we can all agree that we cant help but love this shapeshifting homunculus
It's weird. In the anime, Envy was promoted to a cold-hearted manipulative sociopath, essentially this anime's version of the Joker, with the highest authority among the Homunculi next to Pride and who ultimately didn't give two craps about his fellow Homunculi, to the point that he took to Dante's suggestion of "punishing" Wrath (and by "punishing", I mean "savagely beating") for the _heinous_ crime of missing his dead mom with sadistic relish.
In the manga, however, Envy was a whiny ill-tempered little brat with no authority (he was on equal rank with _Gluttony,_ that should tell you how little sway he had among his siblings), and though still manipulative, his temper always got the better of him and he was ultimately a terrible fighter. He also seemed to care at least a little about Lust and Gluttony, the two Homunculi he was closest with.
It's interesting just how different the two versions are, though I'm almost certain that most of Envy's popularity can be owed to the 2003 version, which made him far more prominent and vastly more interesting (though that's not to say Mangahood!Envy is a bad character, far from it).
CJCroen1393 I disagree completely. The Envy in the manga/2009 anime seemed to be much deeper in terms of character development. As opposed to the high ranking monster we got in the 2003 anime, the manga version seemed to be the actual personification of envy and jealousy. This was particularly evident during his death, which demonstrated that the confident expression he wore was really a mask (aligning nicely with his power of shapeshifting), and in reality he was incredibly self-conscious.
@@CJCroen1393 I agree Envy in 2003 is a more well developed character but, he was also more important to the plot then in FMAB.
@@CJCroen1393 Yeah, I never understood why so many people liked Envy before I watched the 2003 version of FMA.
Envy felt more like a Wrath here than Envy. I'd even go so far as to say Envy and Wrath should switch namesakes in 03, because Wrath seeks to have what Ed has, a normal body and a mother, and Envy is fueled by his hate for Hoenhiem and wants to kill him. But I guess since it started out faithful in the manga, the 03 series couldn't walk back any roles aside from 2 others. Regardless, 03 is special to me. I adore it.
Envy and wrath aren't mutually exclusive. Envious people tend to either become very covetous (aka Greed), or very vindictive. 2003 Envy became the latter.
The Homunculi aren't actually named after the sin they themselves hold, but the sin that their creator had.
The voice of Hohenheim’s son is very soothing. Before he screamed “TO MY FATHER!”
0:34 "maybe a taller version of you" is a line that just hits so different rewatching 03 cause like, both Ed and Envy strongly resemble Hohenheim, so its such a funny taunt cause like thats what Envy would ACTUALLY look like
Envy's death scene was well written. Particularly where he's changing forms as he declares his hatred for Hohenheim.
Southhs5115 Oh, envy didnt die from that, he just crossed over to our real world as seen in the Conquerors of Shamballa movie, but it is a great scene
Robie is right, but is very touching that at the climax of the music he says "to my father" and Ed cries because he is his brother in the end and all he wanted was to be recognized by the father he loathed for so long
@@robtheillusion5529 I know. But given how Conqueror of Shamballa was somewhat... lacking as a conclusion to the Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) anime, I choose to regard its canonicity as ambiguous, and view Envy's final scene here to be his 'death' scene.
@@Southhs Fair enough, I can agree with that. I wish the movie was longer. It was actually supposed to be 3 hours long. Even though I doubt this, I hope they remake it and add whatever bits of content were originally cut out.
0:49 a more serious version of..."LUCKY MEE!!!"
This Envy is better than his actual depiction. By actual I mean how his mangaka made him. The studio took chances and made Envy amazing. A rare sight and does even out Kimblee's floppy mess in FMA
Kimblee was only a floppy mess in 2003 because they literally only had a name, a face, and a vague powerset to work with. Manga Kimblee didn't have any actual characterization at the time.
@@wakkaseta8351 XD Brotherhood Kimblee is one of my favorite characters in FMAB. I do know the 03 show had to wait on the mangaka to finish up a good portion until she told them to just do whatever which made multiple characters either better or worst than the manga counterpart Kimblee, Lust, and Envy being the best examples of this. But even with the terrible 03 Kimblee, that anime is still awesome. And 03 had multiverse so both are technically canon in their respective universes XD
Agreed, Bones Studios really took liberties with this continuity and made several interesting changes (like Envy being a capable fighter and an older half-brother to Ed and Al).
0:28 - God damn that is some amazing foreshadowing
Envy was actually better in the first anime.
Yes
Envy was good in both. But yeah, the first anime makes him a little bit better.
His personal hate for his father and would be brothers makes things just so emotional.
Way better
Most homunculi are better in 2003
But how does she go back to looking exactly 12 without the 29 attached I'm talking about the opening where she giving you a dirty look omg
Fullmetal Pipsqueak the anime
I still have difficulty deciding which Envy is better...
Edit: I'm well aware the Envy from Brotherhood is the OG deal and a perfect representation as to a resentful non-human, not to mention the basic concept of envy.
Buuut... I love how this Envy makes more use of his shapeshifting abilities, in addition to being a far better fighter. And the reveal that he's Hohenheim's son was a *very* interesting twist.
I also find it ironic that even though this Envy wasn't responsible for instigating the Ishvalan massacre (arguably OG!Envy's most atrocious act), he's a FAR bigger prick in comparison.
one is a sexy monster who could never forgive his father, and the other is a sad sexy little creature who needs a hug
I like the other form brotherhood.my opinion
They both have a neat character arc but 2003 has a better background whereas brotherhoods had better screen time seeing how he's much more involved and also has a sadder death
@@digstrememcdingus1463 Yeah. Plus, Brotherhood faces actual justice and karma for his role in Hughes' death.
@@japarevoltado1779 acknowledged.
2:25 has got to be one of the most shocking moments in anime history. At least for me. Seriously after all these years I still cant believe they did that!
Would have been interesting to see an evil Edward in the movie since his transformation was rendered permanent in the other world
Oh boy, that would have been a great concept XD
Envy honestly should have been the main antagonist of the movie, it feels like things weren't properly settled with him.
That would’ve been jarring to see Envy as either Ed or his true form in CoS, rather than a dragon.
It would have been game-breaking if Amestrian’s/Homunculi like Ed and Envy could use their powers.
Envys voices makes me think of them being a heavy chainsmoker 2-3 packs a day heavy
Envy has better melee fight skills in this anime.
Envy in brotherhood has some good skills yeah, but in comparison, 2003 envy has better fighting skills than brotherhood envy.
Wow
Nah, the Envy is a good fighter in Manga/Brotherhood, is just Ling Yao and Lan Fan are much better fighters; Ling was able to go toe to toe with Bradley which should say something.
I don’t know if envy is a girl or a boy. I kind of love the version of envy because he or she is the main villain of this.
In this version he is a boy.
He used to be a boy, but when he became a humongculi he became female
Damn envy low key became shenron
*deep breath* 03 ENVY IS MORE BADASS THAN BROTHERHOOD ENVY!!!! *runs and hides*
...why are you hiding? He is more badass but the brotherhood Envy is also pretty badass and more badass than some people give him credit for.
Well.. he is "Envy" a creatue which should lurk in the shadow and envy everything. It makes no sense for him to be "Badass". Pride and Wrath, they should be badass
This is pretty much a fact.
@@nickpastorino5370 WAIT HE?
@@ripvanwinkle1537 Yes he. It was always he.
It's kind of crazy when u think about the fact that Envy was the strongest character in the original fullmetal alchemist
Nah, mustang and bradley would still crap on him there.
@@arclight7892 Bradley was scared to fight Envy in this version of FMA though. Not to mention Envy is the oldest of the homunculi here. I believe he can also whoop Mustang with relative ease as well.
@@manofwisdom000 Never got that impression. Envy did jump on him but Bradley just dodged his punches with his traditional uncaring demeanor.
@@JohnnyTightlips2007 True
It’s hilarious that Envy refers to himself as a pacifist when in the manga/Brotherhood he was the one who started the war in Ishval.
So, Envy was stuck in dragon form, because like with Ed, Alchemy doesn't usually work in our world.
Correct
This voice is what made me think Envy was a woman
I think they made Envy androgynous, to give the feeling of 'he' can be anyone.
They don't have a gender canonically. In the Japanese they're referred to with 'kono' which is neither masculine nor feminine. So yeah they're not a man and their voice actors all being women isn't a coincidence, they're supposed to be ambiguous.
@@Soundwave._ The body is male tho so it makes more sense Envy is male, voice actors being female doesn’t mean anything, Ed and Al have female voice actors too.
@@Winskl9010 when did Ed have a female Va? Lol.
Anyway I'd identify a characters gender based on their va, should they not be given a confirmed one. But even then if a va's gender is different from the character their assigned, i'd be thinking they shed a small ounce of the other gender at least. ;)
@@4Syorha Japanese dub has both Ed and al with female voices
Why does envy seem like pride isn't envy when you want what a Thing other Pearson has
Sort of, but it's a little more complicated an emotion than that. Envy is wanting what someone else has, *hating* them because they possess what you want, and also wishing harm on them (Ex: You hope that they lose every thing or that you can find a way to steal it from them. In either case, it pleases you to see them struggle and hurt.)
As ENVY I have a ton they all seem like my first memory
I will honestly never understand how anyone can prefer manga/Brotherhood Envy over this version
Neither do I. I gave Manga Envy a shot, turned out to be a jobber...
I prefer Brotherhood Envy for a few reasons. I think both are entertaining. And, while I do like that FMA envy is a better acrobatic fighter. I wasn't a big fan of him being related to the Elric brothers.
Personally, I think the Manga/Brotherhoods version of Envy, is a more interesting interpretation of what envy is and the destruction it can create when left unchecked.
2003's Envy is a jealous child at best. Angry at their father, and his new family by extension, for essentially moving on with his life after a tragic loss. That's not a bad storytelling choice, but I do feel it's somewhat basic. And I'm surprised someone could hold onto that hatred without growing after living for like 400 years.
Brotherhoods Envy, on the other hand is multifaceted. There are rifts and correlations that occur as a result of the conclusion. I.E After we learn what Envy is jealous of, all of his previous behavior falls in line with the conclusion. The belittling attitude he has towards everyone. His flippant and toxic behavior/nature. Constantly feeling the need to prop up his existence as a homunculus and is therefore better then humans. The conclusion, Envy being Jealous of humans. Makes complete sense and even managed to shift alot of people's viewpoint on the character. Which I think is an impressive feat. There's more that could be said as well. As Envy's jealousy spawns from several aspects of being human. Not just human connection, which is a common reading among Brotherhood fans.
However Ed himself points out several aspects of human nature during that confrontation that we can interpret envy being jealous of.
The connection that humans can share.
The determination to push through strife again and again regardless of the obstacles that stand in ones way.
I almost wanna add more, but I think this works fine as an example. I think some of the other 2003 homunculus are just as interesting as their brotherhood counterparts. But I think I feel this way, moreso for Lust and Sloth, then I do the rest. Ultimately though. That's just my opinion.
Well, see it like this: Some prefer comedy and action over something serious and dramatic. The shows have very different tones so its up to preference
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2003 Envy holding onto that anger isn't that hard to believe when you remember that he was under Dante's thumb that entire time' a woman who held onto her own scorn towards Hoenheim for the same amount of time and who clearly encouraged the more negative traits the homunculi displayed to use them for her own ends.
The only thing I hated about manga/brotherhood envy was that he sucked at fighting so he was not able to back up his threats and became comedic relief near the end alongside gluttony and sloth. But manga/brotherhood envy was definitely more sadistic than the 2003 version because he enjoyed every person he made suffer while the 2003 version does it because of his hate for hohenheim.
ENVY got ENVY on Athena's advice
The one thing I like more is how there’s not as much noise in 2003. Not every single big line is followed by some loud music. It feels more realistic and makes the Homunculus more intimidating
Envy really does feel like an actual threat here. You never felt safe for any of the characters when he was around.
Was there a missing image of Envy that got censored or something? Because in the gate he goes missing and then instantly reappears.
Does anyone notice that Envy’s voice slightly changed from the beginning to the end of the series.
It really sells the idea that Envy became more and more deranged as the show went on. His hatred growing each time he showed up. Though it's probably Wendy Powell getting more comfortable in the role, the effect remains the same: Envy showcasing over time how much of a monster he is.
If anime was great in the 1 90s it will be great in the 2 90s to 3014
These new animators are improving that slowly and you know it
Such kicks
(◕ᴗ◕✿) i always supported both Al and Envy all the way
I love you ENVY
Daddy problems
The only thing I don't understand is why did Envy transform into a dragon in the end. And why did he stay in dragon form from there on out?
Because in our world where he went to, there is no alchemy like theirs or any powers, he couldn't transform back and was stuck that way, and I think he transformed into the dragon to have enough power to force himself into the alternate universe
+luliana Mihaela That's certainly possible. Personally, I always saw it as a nod to the patron demon of the Sin of Envy, Leviathan, who took the form of a giant sea serpent and whose appearance is thought to have been inspired by crocodiles.
Iuliana Mihaela but homunculus couldn't use alchemy from the start
Interesting, I thought of it as not having another body to inhabit in the other side. We know Ed took over another Edward-like body, an Edward of a different dimension. Maybe since Envy couldn't be created from alchemy on the other side there was no alternate place/person for him to exist in that world. So he had to stay in the form of a legendary creature just to exist instead.
Texarcana the legendary creature didn't exsisted too it was just envy I think he just didn't felt like changing form I mean he fought ed then got forced to stay in that form
I love you Envy
Damnit Ed always had a temper
How does Envy look like Edward if hoenheims current body isn’t the one he originally had? Maybe his current body is someone who has similar features.
Yeah, I think he does have a similar body
My whole life is waiting for another chance
Remembering this episode and how pale envy is she does have to be Nina after being separated and the dad got some good alchemy there too
Wendy's REIZE recipe
*Hubby
*Ed
*Envy
The father son and spirit
HUBBY MUST BE PROTECTED AT ALL COSTS
Remember when anime characters used not killing swords to not kill ever in any way at all forever?
That was fast of you Tomoyo
This explains why she's relatively attached to Ed
Does this imply Hohenheim was able to stop the degradation of his own body by switching to an exact copy of his original one? Otherwise there's no reason Envy's true form should resemble him since he's been jumping from body to body.
And if not, in this continuity, Ed and Al wouldn't even be "his" sons, anyway, but the sons of the man whose body he took over. :X
Ed al and hohenhime are very distinct from other characters so just change to some one who have yellow hair and yellow eyes its enough to ed to understand who is envy its just for symbolic
Apparently ENVY was in a forest living as a native person and knew no society of other people existed but i dunno
I also noticed a complete lack of couples kissing in couple places
I have nothing to do with a person who didn't pick me (◕ᴗ◕✿) I just heard of the best protagonist
I swear every single word envy said sounds like he's filtering ! I dkdodjebjdksk
It's so much funnier than beating up people
Not only will I watch anime I'll live in anime
He just wishes i was still pretending to be human but that I'll protect you
Ed also turned her into homunculus
Taking of this i have memories of being adopted this would explain much
Not that fighting isn't funny but this is never ending
Every single morning in every single way and meaning
She's here to steal the mini ketchup
Fuckin' BADASS !
I have too many first memories
Wendy's recipe
*MOONIE
*MINNIE
*LUNNY
Is Envy a male or a female?
it's a trap.
Dubbers Voicemail Envy is genderless technically.
2003 anime: Male, since he was created when their child died of mercury poisoning.
Brotherhood/manga: Genderless, I think of it like Desire from Neil Gaiman's The Sandman series. The Homunculi are born differently in Brotherhood. He's referred to as "he" but he's whatever he wants, really.
In 2003, he's male. In the manga and Brotherhood, he's neither but everyone calls him male.
@@FlowerEmblem humunculi are suppose to be humanities vision of a perfect being . so having no gender is probably right.
I always supported you
Too kawaii
I love honeychan and honey too
We're all obsessed with anime
But can't the maker of Japan be anime? Of course I can (◕ᴗ◕✿) I'm I'm ENVY
Must have been the doctor she ended up with
By still dominating you and your life choices
Ah Nina has some huge freckles she is adorable
Since I got no tablet I'm leaving anime and watching Disney Chanel cuz I have it
Anime is neat af
I'm watching FMA Inazuma and Sailor Moon and then leaving everything but Disney Channel behind
I have a dad and he's human but he's protected and he has done nothing wrong but be a coward
Because anime is so very amazing
Now I'm jealousy of myself you're cornered
Everybody has a right to have a life
So I decided irl was gonna turn anime having two ENVY
You stop me every time by using psychology
Why im so turned out by envy voice
A huge troll
Ed and Al’s half brother 😱
Reize was at the garden of the orphanage lol
That imagination spot
I'm 29 and saw once kiss in public in person
What a beautiful troll
*IS THAT YOU SPANISH PEOPLE FORUM??? I LOVE YOU SO MUCH THIS IS ENVY MY HUBBY REIZE AND THE LUNNY OF HIM ED IS HS MINNI THE TRINITY OF GOD THEY'RE ALL THE SAME PERSON LIKE I HAVE THREE PERSONAS BUT MINE ARE ALL IN MY BODY HIS ARE BARABARA LIKE THIS*
Luckily I watched it all
Sailor Jupiter was with her dad at some mall
You better stop the cycle ASAP and give independence to you and your children asap asap asap