To those saying import taxes are the reason. Please explain why my Orange OR30 cost 1700-1800 USD to import to the US and costs 1459 British pounds on Andertons, which is 1850 USD. It’s literally the same price in the US as it is in the UK, for a UK made amp. Yet Marshall’s are 3x the price in the US as they are in the UK. I don’t get it.
This is a really good point and one I should have brought up! Orange is Made in England, just like Marshall, the same product (meaning the same HTS code), yet costs roughly the same in Europe as it does in the USA. A Rockerverb 100 is $2349 on Sweetwater, and $2049 on Thomann, so again, within the standard $300 range for currency conversion, shipping, and taxes as a 5150. I can't help but think it's price gouging from Marshall and hoping people will just think "shipping and taxes are complicated" in order to justify it.
@@bvanhoosenYep! To be fair not every Marshall or Orange are UK made, but the flagships or higher end ones are. In any case, the point still stands. Orange is the same cost in the US as the UK, for the UK made amps. Marshall instead charges 3x in that same scenario. Makes absolutely no sense beyond obvious price gouging. I have a couple Marshall’s and I love them but I got them both used for really cheap. No way I’m buying a new one, particularly when Orange has similar offerings for much cheaper and sound awesome. Then there’s the fact that Oranges are just better built and easier to service than modern Marshall amps. You’d have to pay me to choose a JVM over a Rockerverb at this point.
@@K707OR30 yeah, and oddly enough, the non-made in UK Marshalls (like the DSL and Origin) are about the same in the US as they are in Europe. I think the US distributor probably does their speakers as well, and has priced them with a similar 100% msrp markup that’s common in consumer audio/tech spaces. I’d love to see their numbers for US sales, because I too would never buy a new Marshall in the States, and tbh I don’t see very many JVMs out there…
@@bvanhoosenwell I’m going to go ahead and eat my words a bit. I just scored a jvm 205 combo that was basically never played at all for 500 bucks. So under those circumstances yes I’ll buy a Marshall. But not retail.
I noticed most of the amps on Thomann's website say they run exclusively on 230 volts whereas in America I believe it's 120 volts. I checked that across several amp brands. Marshall, Engl, H&K. So if you bought one from Europe you would need a voltage transformer to run it here. Not sure that is what affects the price but it might be what keeps people from buying these amps from Europe.
This is true! Pretty much all appliances are like this in Europe versus North America. You just need a step down/up transformer and you can make it work. Or a tech can mod it for you fairly easily. Definitely not a $2k problem haha
Marshalls back in the day had multi ports for worldwide use and specifically go out of their way to not do it now. Its kind of obvious Marshall is milking the dumb Americans for all they are worth lol. If youre in the US and dont want to deal with replacing transformers or using a step down, get a Friedmann.
What sucks is Marshall switched the power jacks so they are wired specifically for the country so if you want to save and buy from Thomann, you have to do the transformer step down. Its irritating.
Not quite. Friedmans are just as expensive in the states. Also, all Marshalls just dropped over $1k in price in the US, so the distributor price gouging seems to be over
I have got a Marshall… Also own Mesa boogie… neither one or particularly cheap… I had to pick one it would be the Mesa. I hear there are ridiculously expensive in Europe.
You are paying for the Marshall legend! The prices also depends on where they were made. If there were made in the UK, you pay for the quality control, the importation and the UK Pounds to US dollars monetary conversion. That said, pretty much all Metal that I like was played on Marshall amps. I also like some ENGL, but they're even more expensive in North America. The Marshall JVM410 has 3 channels and 3 circuits/channels, so you have 9 channels settings. It's the flagship amp., but yeah...Around 4,000$
Honestly, I think it’s more price gouging than anything else. See the pinned comment - Orange amps aren’t priced $2k more in the USA, and shipping/taxes/country of origin are the same. An ENGL Savage 120 runs $3000 in the USA, and is $2700 in the UK. +/-$300 is about what I would expect for taxes. Not $2000.
@@bvanhoosen Yes, indeed. That's what I meant in my 1st sentence: ''You are paying for the Marshall legend!'' Orange amps aren't quite marketed towards Metal/Speed Metal, but Hard Rock and not a lot of recorded Metal was initially played on Orange amps. In other words, Orange amps aren't part of Metal legend. Then again, I'm an old Metal head. Pretty much all of the music that I like was recorded or played live on Marshall amps. That said, Marshall is incredibly late in adopting technical advances on its amps design. Especially for recording and playing in small rooms. They still don't incorporate noise gates, reactive load/gradual attenuator or IR loaders on all models by default but, they should. ENGL is already doing it, so what's the hold-up at Marshall? They are selling obsolete amps at this point. Maybe the commercial failure of the JDM:1 amps line made them frisky? Try to find a 100W JDM:1 head. I have the 2X12 combo. It's a sleeper and it's cheap, because people ''say'' it's modelling trash. Well, those 4 EL34 say otherwise...Wink-wink.
I bought 2 DSL 100H Marshall heads from Sweetwater 1 refurbished was 600.00 and the other B stock 700.00this was in 2018,they both sound great no problems, goes to show affordable is not bad,the EVH Iconic which I have the head 80watt had over a year is awesome great sounding head and again affordable .Great video perfect subject matter man.Thanks🎉
When Marshall reissued the pedal line, I ordered from Andertons to save like 80 bucks on a pedal and then they said they wouldnt ship to U.S. Im pretty sure Marshall stepped in and told them not to sell to US. Kind of pissed me off. When it comes to amps, theres no reason AT ALL to buy a Marshall in the US over a Friedmann. Youd have to be insane. Friedmann also are way better manufacturing and support. You can email and get answers from Dave himself.
Damn, I didn’t even think to check the pedals! Literally no difference in a pedal for either market. That’s so irritating! Marshall definitely makes it so that NOTHING Marshall comes into the US without going through Marshall USA. It’s annoying
@@bvanhoosenyes I was kidding of course. I noticed this awhile back and tried to buy one off Thomann and was denied. The 1959 as well as some others have a voltage selector so that shouldn’t matter.
I dont know why marahall amps are so expensive in the usa but i think the fact you pay $2000 more for a jvm/jcm will have an effect on people's opinions/decisions on the amps. I wouldn't pay $3500 for a jvm or a jcm800 and if i had then i would feel like ive been ripped off. It's way too expensive and i do believe amps are seen as a luxury. As amps get more expensive modellers will get cheaper and thus will be the go to for many people. I would like to say that i also believe many u.s.a built amps are ridiculous as well. Friedmam, soldano, magnatone, fortin etc all over £4000.00 in the uk & i know they are classed as boutique companies but there isn't many amp companies in general anyway and having them priced so high will probably price most people out of the market.
My thoughts exactly. It’s definitely a bummer! I sort of wonder if people really prefer amp modelers or if amps are just too expensive for reasons like price gouging.
That's batshit crazy. I do shop around for at least a week before pulling the trigger on anything myself. As far as modelers go Amplitube is crushing the competition for less than $500 bucks. Kemper is just unrealistic ...I would literally gig with my laptop and stand alone sims before I'd pay that.
But you still need a power amp with the TONEX if you want to play it through a cab. For me, were I just starting out, I'd still go with the 5150 or a 6505.
I touched on that a little bit. While that is true, there are a couple of key differences I see - first, MESA amps are EXTREMELY expensive in the USA as well. A new Dual Rec runs $3k. Second - right now there are virtually no MESAs in Europe, so I’m interested to see what a large distributor like Gibson does for the overall price over there. I don’t think it’s just shipping and import tax, otherwise it would be about the same for every product regardless of brand.
@@blondiespinknoize4627 I believe it, but MESA in the USA is similarly priced to Friedman and Soldano as well. I don’t consider Marshall “boutique” like those brands. Maybe some of the price difference is due to Marshall trying to compete with the boutique brands in the USA 🤷♂️
You compared usa amps that were made overseas to uk made marshalls. See how much a friedman costs there versus here? Quite curious about that and an gonna have to google it
True, but Friedman’s are also REALLY expensive in the USA and something I’d consider “boutique” for lack of a better term. A BE-100 on Sweetwater is $4k, and on Thomann is $4333 - so definitely in that same +/- $300 range that makes sense. Same with the Kemper. If the amp is more expensive to produce, it should be on par everywhere in the world I would think…
Great subject my guy🧐🤓 I’ll elaborate:So the reason for the bigger costs to Reissue Valve State amps are the following: 1.Inflation ( Reflecting to the Dollar Inflation as it affects all countries invested in the U.S. Dollar) 2.Import Taxes (All instruments, electronics and Goods made in another country comes at a cost in International Trade to the Merchant and prices reflect these premiums out to the customer in the form of higher costs) These 2 major contributors are the culprit unfortunately and with the changing rules and politics in economics worldwide hopefully things improve,otherwise at this point our way out of this are buying old Pristine gear from actual players and not investors as well trying to head crack us to get the next tool(unless it’s a reasonable item worth its value). #BUFFALO #NEWYORK
Thanks for this breakdown! It’s interesting to me that import tariffs wouldn’t be about the same for imports from other places in Europe. The Kemper is made in Germany, a similar economic zone to the UK, but the price is only slightly higher in the US versus in Europe. I hate to say it, but I wonder if there’s a level of price gouging that’s coming into play for the Marshall stuff… Or if it’s a specific import tax code, we all need to call our senators like ASAP 😂
@@bvanhoosen It’s very interesting and sometimes upsetting lol like how often do you see a Red leather ENGL but slapping ya that $1600 price tag for a combo amp,makes me wanna slap the Tax outta my NY senators 🤣🤣 We May have to have a resurgence of the old punk scene and have them protest Government Taxation like the 90’s lol
@@fraterlemuele.s.l.d.6435 haha yes!! Either that or start a black market amp trade. Catch me on one of those homemade submarines filled with Marshall and ENGL amps 🤣🤣
Marshall's namesake is a 3rd reason on top of the other 2 stated which i totally agree with. Marshall and retailers levy the wieght of that name regarding certain amps like crazy. Their speakers cabinets, if im honest, are even worse in this regard, 1960Vintage cabinets listing for $1,899 fuck no on any day of the week. Even Made in england cabs are half assed and tend to rattle after a couple years, and speakers just aren't... that... expensive. I own a 2004 1960AV cab that i bought on reverb for 525 bucks before shipping last year. the tolex is ragged cause it was a backline, but it functions perfectly, even that backplate circuit still works. But definitely not worth anything a lot of used sellers ask for.
@@FulcrumsEdge $1899 for a cab with v30s in it is pretty crazy. I will say, though, the post 2010 1960s are actually a bit better made. Was surprised to find that they’re 100% birch now (even the backs).
Name... is everything.... The same reason Gibson has been able to, for decades charge exorbitant prices for their "heritage" (and sometimes shitty build quality) . Marshall controls price minimums to the vendors and distributors that are authorized to sell here in the USA, but doesn't really do much in the way of setting listing caps. with most amps also imported, it comes inherently with a customs tariff, which is no small part of vendors and retailers markup. So these vendors use Marshalls legacy to glean every single slice of profit back out, and then some, from the end buyer. Marshalls retail prices tend to be more susceptible to the "nuanced" eb and flow of the fickle music gear market, Chaos is a more appropriate term, but i'm just hoping someday soon the gear scene calms down a bit in regards to price volatility. It all just goes back to the linkage of the name plate "Marshall" and what rock n roll history tends to make into almost a sort of deified brand. Fenders are treated the same way in Europe that Marshalls are here. on that note, Marshall is not a brand I buy new, almost ever. I've never been fortunate enough to own an 800, but i've owned or played every flagship amp save the JVM series and also owned or played many of the vintage reissue/remakes amps. One day i'll own an 800, but it will be at one of those times that the 800 isn't perceived as the golden child of Marshall. It wasn't that popular 10 years ago, and prices reflected that in the used market. When it was first debuted it was also hated by many players that grew up on the older jtm and plexi style amps, as was the 900 by those who grew up with the 800. Marshall will always be Marshall in some way to everyone, but their amps have been popular and loathed, both before the end of their manufacture life cycles.
Very true, and something I forgot to bring up - you could get a JCM 800 for dirt cheap in the early 2000s when they were kind of out of fashion. But I tend to agree - I’m sort of wondering if there’s something going on specifically with the American distributor of Marshall and their relation to the consumer audio space. Maybe a 100% markup isn’t that crazy for things like headphones?
Haha yeah, and we’ll see if Gibson’s Euro distribution brings the prices down there! But so far I think the supply of MESAs is ridiculously low oversees, so I’m not surprised to see a $1k increase in price there.
To those saying import taxes are the reason. Please explain why my Orange OR30 cost 1700-1800 USD to import to the US and costs 1459 British pounds on Andertons, which is 1850 USD. It’s literally the same price in the US as it is in the UK, for a UK made amp. Yet Marshall’s are 3x the price in the US as they are in the UK. I don’t get it.
Ripping off Americans since ww2
This is a really good point and one I should have brought up! Orange is Made in England, just like Marshall, the same product (meaning the same HTS code), yet costs roughly the same in Europe as it does in the USA. A Rockerverb 100 is $2349 on Sweetwater, and $2049 on Thomann, so again, within the standard $300 range for currency conversion, shipping, and taxes as a 5150. I can't help but think it's price gouging from Marshall and hoping people will just think "shipping and taxes are complicated" in order to justify it.
@@bvanhoosenYep! To be fair not every Marshall or Orange are UK made, but the flagships or higher end ones are. In any case, the point still stands. Orange is the same cost in the US as the UK, for the UK made amps. Marshall instead charges 3x in that same scenario. Makes absolutely no sense beyond obvious price gouging. I have a couple Marshall’s and I love them but I got them both used for really cheap. No way I’m buying a new one, particularly when Orange has similar offerings for much cheaper and sound awesome. Then there’s the fact that Oranges are just better built and easier to service than modern Marshall amps. You’d have to pay me to choose a JVM over a Rockerverb at this point.
@@K707OR30 yeah, and oddly enough, the non-made in UK Marshalls (like the DSL and Origin) are about the same in the US as they are in Europe. I think the US distributor probably does their speakers as well, and has priced them with a similar 100% msrp markup that’s common in consumer audio/tech spaces. I’d love to see their numbers for US sales, because I too would never buy a new Marshall in the States, and tbh I don’t see very many JVMs out there…
@@bvanhoosenwell I’m going to go ahead and eat my words a bit. I just scored a jvm 205 combo that was basically never played at all for 500 bucks. So under those circumstances yes I’ll buy a Marshall. But not retail.
I noticed most of the amps on Thomann's website say they run exclusively on 230 volts whereas in America I believe it's 120 volts. I checked that across several amp brands. Marshall, Engl, H&K. So if you bought one from Europe you would need a voltage transformer to run it here. Not sure that is what affects the price but it might be what keeps people from buying these amps from Europe.
This is true! Pretty much all appliances are like this in Europe versus North America. You just need a step down/up transformer and you can make it work. Or a tech can mod it for you fairly easily. Definitely not a $2k problem haha
Marshalls back in the day had multi ports for worldwide use and specifically go out of their way to not do it now. Its kind of obvious Marshall is milking the dumb Americans for all they are worth lol. If youre in the US and dont want to deal with replacing transformers or using a step down, get a Friedmann.
What sucks is Marshall switched the power jacks so they are wired specifically for the country so if you want to save and buy from Thomann, you have to do the transformer step down. Its irritating.
Same reason Friedman's are so expensive in the UK😊
Not quite. Friedmans are just as expensive in the states. Also, all Marshalls just dropped over $1k in price in the US, so the distributor price gouging seems to be over
Really eye opening!
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
I have got a Marshall… Also own Mesa boogie… neither one or particularly cheap… I had to pick one it would be the Mesa. I hear there are ridiculously expensive in Europe.
You are paying for the Marshall legend! The prices also depends on where they were made. If there were made in the UK, you pay for the quality control, the importation and the UK Pounds to US dollars monetary conversion. That said, pretty much all Metal that I like was played on Marshall amps. I also like some ENGL, but they're even more expensive in North America. The Marshall JVM410 has 3 channels and 3 circuits/channels, so you have 9 channels settings. It's the flagship amp., but yeah...Around 4,000$
Honestly, I think it’s more price gouging than anything else. See the pinned comment - Orange amps aren’t priced $2k more in the USA, and shipping/taxes/country of origin are the same. An ENGL Savage 120 runs $3000 in the USA, and is $2700 in the UK. +/-$300 is about what I would expect for taxes. Not $2000.
@@bvanhoosen Yes, indeed. That's what I meant in my 1st sentence: ''You are paying for the Marshall legend!'' Orange amps aren't quite marketed towards Metal/Speed Metal, but Hard Rock and not a lot of recorded Metal was initially played on Orange amps. In other words, Orange amps aren't part of Metal legend.
Then again, I'm an old Metal head. Pretty much all of the music that I like was recorded or played live on Marshall amps. That said, Marshall is incredibly late in adopting technical advances on its amps design. Especially for recording and playing in small rooms. They still don't incorporate noise gates, reactive load/gradual attenuator or IR loaders on all models by default but, they should. ENGL is already doing it, so what's the hold-up at Marshall? They are selling obsolete amps at this point. Maybe the commercial failure of the JDM:1 amps line made them frisky? Try to find a 100W JDM:1 head. I have the 2X12 combo. It's a sleeper and it's cheap, because people ''say'' it's modelling trash. Well, those 4 EL34 say otherwise...Wink-wink.
I bought 2 DSL 100H Marshall heads from Sweetwater 1 refurbished
was 600.00 and the other B stock 700.00this was in 2018,they both sound great no problems, goes to show affordable is not bad,the EVH Iconic which I have the head 80watt had over a year is awesome great sounding head and again affordable .Great video perfect subject matter man.Thanks🎉
Hell yeah! Love getting sweet deals! Enjoy those amps 😁
The DSL is made in Vietnam. The Iconic is made in China.
When Marshall reissued the pedal line, I ordered from Andertons to save like 80 bucks on a pedal and then they said they wouldnt ship to U.S. Im pretty sure Marshall stepped in and told them not to sell to US. Kind of pissed me off. When it comes to amps, theres no reason AT ALL to buy a Marshall in the US over a Friedmann. Youd have to be insane. Friedmann also are way better manufacturing and support. You can email and get answers from Dave himself.
Damn, I didn’t even think to check the pedals! Literally no difference in a pedal for either market. That’s so irritating! Marshall definitely makes it so that NOTHING Marshall comes into the US without going through Marshall USA. It’s annoying
Eye opening! Thanks for video★
Cheers! Thanks for watching!
We thought the revolutionary war was a good idea to avoid British taxes…….PLOT TWIST 😂
I think it's price gouging tbh. I've yet to see any tax that causes a +100% markup to anything.
@@bvanhoosenyes I was kidding of course. I noticed this awhile back and tried to buy one off Thomann and was denied. The 1959 as well as some others have a voltage selector so that shouldn’t matter.
US customs could charge you a fat import tax if you were to go that route.
I’ve bought tons of stuff from overseas and I’ve never received a 100%+ import tax. Usually it’s like ~20%
I dont know why marahall amps are so expensive in the usa but i think the fact you pay $2000 more for a jvm/jcm will have an effect on people's opinions/decisions on the amps. I wouldn't pay $3500 for a jvm or a jcm800 and if i had then i would feel like ive been ripped off. It's way too expensive and i do believe amps are seen as a luxury. As amps get more expensive modellers will get cheaper and thus will be the go to for many people. I would like to say that i also believe many u.s.a built amps are ridiculous as well. Friedmam, soldano, magnatone, fortin etc all over £4000.00 in the uk & i know they are classed as boutique companies but there isn't many amp companies in general anyway and having them priced so high will probably price most people out of the market.
My thoughts exactly. It’s definitely a bummer! I sort of wonder if people really prefer amp modelers or if amps are just too expensive for reasons like price gouging.
That's batshit crazy. I do shop around for at least a week before pulling the trigger on anything myself. As far as modelers go Amplitube is crushing the competition for less than $500 bucks. Kemper is just unrealistic ...I would literally gig with my laptop and stand alone sims before I'd pay that.
But you still need a power amp with the TONEX if you want to play it through a cab. For me, were I just starting out, I'd still go with the 5150 or a 6505.
In Europe Mesa amps are extremely expensive.
Just like Marshall in the US.
Shipping and import tax.
I touched on that a little bit. While that is true, there are a couple of key differences I see - first, MESA amps are EXTREMELY expensive in the USA as well. A new Dual Rec runs $3k. Second - right now there are virtually no MESAs in Europe, so I’m interested to see what a large distributor like Gibson does for the overall price over there. I don’t think it’s just shipping and import tax, otherwise it would be about the same for every product regardless of brand.
@@bvanhoosen the times Mesa has been available in Europe the prices were like Friedman and soldano.
@@blondiespinknoize4627 I believe it, but MESA in the USA is similarly priced to Friedman and Soldano as well. I don’t consider Marshall “boutique” like those brands. Maybe some of the price difference is due to Marshall trying to compete with the boutique brands in the USA 🤷♂️
@@bvanhoosen that could be. 👍🏻
You compared usa amps that were made overseas to uk made marshalls. See how much a friedman costs there versus here?
Quite curious about that and an gonna have to google it
True, but Friedman’s are also REALLY expensive in the USA and something I’d consider “boutique” for lack of a better term. A BE-100 on Sweetwater is $4k, and on Thomann is $4333 - so definitely in that same +/- $300 range that makes sense. Same with the Kemper. If the amp is more expensive to produce, it should be on par everywhere in the world I would think…
Germany here i come
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Great subject my guy🧐🤓 I’ll elaborate:So the reason for the bigger costs to Reissue Valve State amps are the following:
1.Inflation ( Reflecting to the Dollar Inflation as it affects all countries invested in the U.S. Dollar)
2.Import Taxes (All instruments, electronics and Goods made in another country comes at a cost in International Trade to the Merchant and prices reflect these premiums out to the customer in the form of higher costs)
These 2 major contributors are the culprit unfortunately and with the changing rules and politics in economics worldwide hopefully things improve,otherwise at this point our way out of this are buying old Pristine gear from actual players and not investors as well trying to head crack us to get the next tool(unless it’s a reasonable item worth its value).
#BUFFALO
#NEWYORK
Thanks for this breakdown! It’s interesting to me that import tariffs wouldn’t be about the same for imports from other places in Europe. The Kemper is made in Germany, a similar economic zone to the UK, but the price is only slightly higher in the US versus in Europe. I hate to say it, but I wonder if there’s a level of price gouging that’s coming into play for the Marshall stuff… Or if it’s a specific import tax code, we all need to call our senators like ASAP 😂
@@bvanhoosen It’s very interesting and sometimes upsetting lol like how often do you see a Red leather ENGL but slapping ya that $1600 price tag for a combo amp,makes me wanna slap the Tax outta my NY senators 🤣🤣 We May have to have a resurgence of the old punk scene and have them protest Government Taxation like the 90’s lol
@@fraterlemuele.s.l.d.6435 haha yes!! Either that or start a black market amp trade. Catch me on one of those homemade submarines filled with Marshall and ENGL amps 🤣🤣
Marshall's namesake is a 3rd reason on top of the other 2 stated which i totally agree with. Marshall and retailers levy the wieght of that name regarding certain amps like crazy. Their speakers cabinets, if im honest, are even worse in this regard, 1960Vintage cabinets listing for $1,899 fuck no on any day of the week. Even Made in england cabs are half assed and tend to rattle after a couple years, and speakers just aren't... that... expensive. I own a 2004 1960AV cab that i bought on reverb for 525 bucks before shipping last year. the tolex is ragged cause it was a backline, but it functions perfectly, even that backplate circuit still works. But definitely not worth anything a lot of used sellers ask for.
@@FulcrumsEdge $1899 for a cab with v30s in it is pretty crazy. I will say, though, the post 2010 1960s are actually a bit better made. Was surprised to find that they’re 100% birch now (even the backs).
Name... is everything.... The same reason Gibson has been able to, for decades charge exorbitant prices for their "heritage" (and sometimes shitty build quality) . Marshall controls price minimums to the vendors and distributors that are authorized to sell here in the USA, but doesn't really do much in the way of setting listing caps. with most amps also imported, it comes inherently with a customs tariff, which is no small part of vendors and retailers markup. So these vendors use Marshalls legacy to glean every single slice of profit back out, and then some, from the end buyer. Marshalls retail prices tend to be more susceptible to the "nuanced" eb and flow of the fickle music gear market, Chaos is a more appropriate term, but i'm just hoping someday soon the gear scene calms down a bit in regards to price volatility. It all just goes back to the linkage of the name plate "Marshall" and what rock n roll history tends to make into almost a sort of deified brand. Fenders are treated the same way in Europe that Marshalls are here.
on that note, Marshall is not a brand I buy new, almost ever. I've never been fortunate enough to own an 800, but i've owned or played every flagship amp save the JVM series and also owned or played many of the vintage reissue/remakes amps. One day i'll own an 800, but it will be at one of those times that the 800 isn't perceived as the golden child of Marshall. It wasn't that popular 10 years ago, and prices reflected that in the used market. When it was first debuted it was also hated by many players that grew up on the older jtm and plexi style amps, as was the 900 by those who grew up with the 800. Marshall will always be Marshall in some way to everyone, but their amps have been popular and loathed, both before the end of their manufacture life cycles.
Very true, and something I forgot to bring up - you could get a JCM 800 for dirt cheap in the early 2000s when they were kind of out of fashion. But I tend to agree - I’m sort of wondering if there’s something going on specifically with the American distributor of Marshall and their relation to the consumer audio space. Maybe a 100% markup isn’t that crazy for things like headphones?
@@bvanhoosen definitely not.... Marshall branded bluetooth speakers are straight up listed at highway robbery numbers
Bryce what's happening man 🎸🤘🎶
Hey hey! Happy new year man!
Nvm u just mentioned mesa lol
Haha yeah, and we’ll see if Gibson’s Euro distribution brings the prices down there! But so far I think the supply of MESAs is ridiculously low oversees, so I’m not surprised to see a $1k increase in price there.