The Time Everyone Tried To Copy Hunger Games
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the book leo's video on teen dystopian books:
• a retrospective on tee...
for today's video I watched:
00:00 My own teen dystopia
01:19 The Hunger Games
07:54 The Hunger Games - Catching Fire
13:10 The Hunger Games - Mockingjay Part 1
19:11 The Hunger Games - Mockingjay Part 2
22:33 Divergent
32:13 Insurgent
38:08 Allegiant
44:17 The Maze Runner
49:36 The Maze Runner 2
53:44 The Maze Runner 3
59:17 Hunger Games 2023
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Also to all the people who are commenting that katniss and gale weren't dating. Im sorry. I was wrong. I got the vibe that they were a thing from the hunting scene and now every comment is about that one sentence. This will haunt me till the end of times.
Loved this video😂😂it was hilarious. Also I think it’d be cool if you did a video on a time travel movie called Project Almanac and compared it to other famous time travel movies
you were pretty good in Wish but the rest of that movie sucked
I just want to point out that a FUM costs $200 for a WOODEN STICK THAT DOES NOTHING!!!
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I would like to make the very important point here that, in the books, Peeta did not paint his face to look like a rock. He just buried himself into the ground and covered the upper half of his body in moss and mud to blend with the environment more
Yeah the painting thing only became a thing after the first game, talking about how he finally had money to buy paint lol
Its a great thing the movies managed to fix this horrible mistake
the movies made a couple unnecessary super minor changes for some reason
teah the painting thing was a prize for some winner of a syfy contest going on at the time. the guy got to show off his use of practical fx
The rock painting is more impressive. He was a cake decorator after all.
On the Gale being whiny and jealous thing, he actually wasn’t dating Katniss in the first novel…so he extra had no right to be that annoying. I was so mad in the second book when he was upset with her on-screen romance with Peeta as if she wasn’t literally being hunted down by crazy people and killer wasps, and the only saving grace being sponsors who liked their romance.
right!!! and gale felt entitled to katniss demanding she be there and love him whiles she’s actively fighting for herself and other peoples lives while peeta loved her without needing her to love him back allowing her to love him herself
To this day everyone I know really dislikes Gale even more so than snow, really shows that you could make the most evil character ever but being annoying is the worst crime in cinema hahah
Literally. Gale kind of sucks. And he killed her sister so…
he also forced a kiss with her. she only kissed him in fear of what he might do to himself if she didn’t. trying to force katniss into a romance is what always annoyed me about the books.
@@eternallustformedusa4844oh my God yes! When he said he would never compete with Peeta and Katniss kiss him and he said “I knew you would do that” THE FUCK?!? He openly admits to manipulating her and that he knows she kisses him to make him feel better so he just takes advantage of that?! He sucks so much
Katniss was not dating Gale 😭
They were only friends. He had a crush on her, but it was unreciprocated. Katniss wasn't in love with him, she felt guilty for not returning those feelings and for hurting him. Gale is one of those "friends" who acts nice until you express romantic interest in someone other than him
YES!!! The whole love triangle thing was ridiculous. Literally every tiny she kissed him it was because she felt bad and was uncomfortable with his emotions. Then he weaponized that in order to get her to kiss him. Fuck Gale.
Pinely said he read the books but then got some super easy stuff wrong. This video was quite poorly researched particularly his hunger games depiction. Was kinda annoying tbh. I understand you might've read the books a while ago but if you're making a video on it maybe look at spark notes before hitting the post button.
@@shatthebed2785I assumed he read them once when they came out & not since then. he's watched the movies more recently so is probably confusing some details. I'm in mostly the same position & have brain fog & bad memory so I understand
I read the books as a teenager like 10 years ago so I don't remember all the details 😔 i just got the vibe that they were a thing from that hunting scene and based it off if that
@@PinelyI mean to be fair Gale even says movie wise when he kisses her in catching fire ‘I had to do that, at least once’ which also says they weren’t dating since they would’ve probably kissed before that
The Hunger Games are good because the writer actually wrote it from a real understanding of politics, war and classism during the 00's. She was channel surfing and went from some stupid reality shows to footage of the war in Iraq and it weirded her out so much it gave her an idea for a whole trilogy. Honestly, the oversaturation of reality shows during a time of horrible pointless war was insane
Basically in 2000, Survivor did really good as a TV show, and it started a reality show gold rush. It helped that making a reality show is significantly cheaper than making something that requires writers and professional actors, so it's a safe fallback during a war or a writers strike.
watching the news on the war in Iraq doesn't make you versed in the nuances of politics. im willing to give that its a smarter series than most of its genre, but saying collins has a real understanding of politics because she saw what everyone else was seeing is like saying people on twitter have any real understanding of politics because they saw a post about an issue they've never considered before. exposure does not make you an expert. depending on the kind of exposure, it can actually mislead you. the series isn't "good." it is comparatively acceptable for a YA franchise, which seems to be the top reading level for most Americans these days.
@@szlothh6339It's a little funny how you mention the general population's reading level while misunderstanding the entire original comment ngl 😂
@@szlothh6339 Irony
usually the things ppl copy are so good because they mean something to the creator she wasn’t thinking of how to fit a successful mold like the ya dystopias that came after
What I like about the Hunger Games is that men don't have to the stereotypical hunk to get the girl. Peeta was calm, gentle and probably the most supportive of Katniss. He was willing to sacrifice himself for her (and probably others too) but Gale was the complete opposite. Choosing Peeta showcased that men with gentle qualities are desirable as well. It's okay to take a step back and support women who run the world.
Wasnt that deep but yea peeta is amazing❤
honestly I wouldnt phrase it as "take a step back and support woman who run the world" because that implies that gentle, calm, supportive men like Peeta have to step back and be behind women in power, when gentle, calm and supportive men can be in leadershop positions and be in charge too. The important thing though is that gentle, calm and supportive men dont feel emasculated if their partner is the one in more of a leadership position, I.e. katniss being a figurehead for the revolution, whereas lesser men would likely feel insecure about that.
He was a total hunk in the books tho LMFAOOO He was still soft and gentle and kind, but a hunk nonetheless, I do like Josh Hutcherson as Peeta still, he grew on me but he looks nothing like the way I had imagined him when I read the books
Also a shortking
So what I'm reading is you have been spared the doldrum of ever watching a woody Allen movie.
i like how both haters and enjoyers of this genre can all agree that the hunger games is a banger series
Definitely not 😂
@@nelieltu9730just say you have bad taste and move on
Hunger Games is brilliant in its' worldbuilding and character development.
I fucking hated the series
@@Tots_lmfao just say you’re a tween girl who’s mother drank while she was pregnant and move on
Teen dystopians had an absolute chokehold on the teens of the 2010s.
I was one of them lol
What do you mean “had”?
I wasn’t even a teenager until the end of the 2010s but 8 year old me was obsessed with dystopian movies and books. I was a depressed kid and seeing a bunch of teenagers literally fighting for their lives made me feel better about my own life.
Yeah I feel that so much. Still remember the "good old days" meeting with friends over a lunch table in middle/high school and disgusting the movies.
@@zogwort1522 lol I didn't mean that it's not a thing anymore. I meant discussing those specific movies, it's one of the best memories I have with my friends from my school days. I'm now attending a university in a different state and this video brought back these "good old days" memories.
The Hunger Games was a genuinely very good book series that was turned into a film series.
Divergent was a mediocre book series that was turned into a not great film series.
The Maze Runner was a fairly good book series that was flipped on its head for the film series, after the first book, 90% of the films aren't what happened in the books.
I mean, the first book was good, but it was pretty ruined in the sequels. I haven't seen the movies after the first one, but I wouldn't either make movies about what happened in the other books.
I don't remember the 3rd book of The Maze Runner (I read it years ago) and when I finally watched the movies, I barely remembered the plot, but yeah, Scorching Trials left me incredibly confused. The only thing the movie and the book had in common were the names of the characters. The last movie felt kind of rushed and half-assed, they had this ''we have one more movie left, we gotta finish what we started, I guess...'' kind of energy to them.
Which makes me sad, because honestly The Maze Runner had one of the coolest casts ever. So talented and amazing chemistry on screen. Promo interviews were incredibly hilarious and oh so fun to watch.
And I genuinely think the only reason the Maze Runner movies did well is precisely because they did away with the books because, my god, the books were BAD bad.
Let's remember even the iconic monsters in the first movie were described in the book as slugs with patches of hair
I remember being so mad when I watched the maze runner movies. Like the movies weren’t bad but I loved the books and they just like completely changed the 2nd and 3rd one. The 2nd one is kinda similar but the 3rd one just a whole new plot. I was so annoyed that I didn’t get to see those scenes brought to life. The books were really good, I don’t know why they felt like they had to change it. They removed so many good scenes.
@@rachelcookie321I agree with you on that one, no clue why everyone is saying the books weren’t good and needed to have the stories retconned completely.
Peeta in the book: covers himself in mud and pretends to be dead, like any other sensible person would
Peeta in the movie: "look Katniss, I turned myself into a rock! I'm Peeta Rock!"
swear to god funniest shit ive ever seen
what kills me is him saying "are you gonna finish me off, sweetheart" SOOOO seductively in the book when katniss finds him but in the movie this mfkr cosplaying as a rock grabs her ankle coughing everywhere. like he pops out of nowhere as a rock?????? no hey no hi
Himbo vibes
Peetah stayed caked up, that's why the ladies couldn't resist him
@@normalgraham😂😂😂😂😂
In the Hunger Games theres this big misconception that Katniss was put into Quarter Quell in hopes of just her dying. But its not like that at all (thanks to the movies) In the books. Its stated that in Catching Fire, Snow put all these victors into the Hunger Games, despite their granted immunity since he wants every single one them dead because of the uprising. And it horrifyingly works. In MockingJay, during the rebellion victors are killed left and right by the Capitol AND the Rebels. It literally has a name, the Victors Purge. The Capitol wanted the Victors dead because they thought they were all part of the rebellion and the Rebels wanted them all dead because they thought they all sided with the Capitol. From all Victors throughout 1-75th games only 7 people come out alive. Its a huge tragic thing in the books but in the movies it just gets about a single line and its devastating.
Damn that is really interesting and awful to suffer through all this pain only to be killed by both sides. I theorize Coin also was very deliberate with who she kept alive for the final vote for the last hunger games
Yup
Holy shit.
find it absolutely hilarious that, in the world of divergent, being kind and selfless are mutually exclusive traits as if those don't have an insane amount of overlap. Like it implies hat it;s a world full of kind people who will fuck you over to get ahead and people who are selfless and always put others first but are also really mean
Yeah I’ve never read the books or seen the movie but the whole faction thing seems to make no sense. Which is weird because the it’s the entire premise of the series and it doesn’t seem like something that should be that hard to get right
@@khadeejones1136learning it written by the Author over her winter break makes a lot of detail make so much more sense lol
I actually like this aspect, because the world is indeed full of selfless people that are mean and full of selfish people that are kind. People are complex and trying to make it simple was what caused the world to be dystopic. I feel like they tried to create perfect boxes to fit people in, but it backfired horribly, because it is just silly. Like the houses in harry potter but more extrem
One makes you lose your job after pretending to be your friend for 12 years, and the other then feeds you when you're homeless, while berating you and saying it was a skill issue.
Reminded me of that joke Ben Brainard made in an stand-up show "they say that people from the West Coast are nice but aren't good and people from the East Coast are good but aren't nice. What that means is that if you're driving in San Francisco and your car get a flat tire, a person passing by will see it and say _'you have a flat tire? Oh man, I feel sorry for you that sucks soo much'_ and just leave you there and keep driving. But if you get a flat tire while driving in New York, a person passing by will say to you _'flat tire? What a moron! Give that wrench you're doing it wrong you dumb*ss'_ and they will help you change the tire"
... also, if I understood the third book the people in Triss society basically have a mental dissability product of genetic manipulation and what they call divergent is what we call "normal" people, so in a way it wouldn't be weird that the people of the dystopian future Chicago can't be kind and selfless at the same time... its an stupid twist really
My personal biggest regret about the Hunger Games movies as adaptations is that we lost our chance for mainstream disability rep. Katniss and Peeta both come out of their first Games physically disabled: an explosion leaves her deaf in one ear, and he loses his leg. Including that in the film might've influenced a lot of the authors who hopped on the trend to put disabled characters in their works as well. (However, considering how badly a lot of the later YA dystopian authors misunderstood the genre they wrote in, I'm almost glad that we were spared their half-hearted attempts.)
Edit before the second part of my comment: I forgot; Katniss's hearing is restored by the Capitol after the Games. The added feeling of disorientation and fear that the loss of half of one of her senses delivered had such an impact on me that I forgot it was fixed. Even though it was temporary, I think it was an important part of her character, and it would have been so easy to add during the movie! It wouldn't have been like a prosthetic that they'd need SFX for; partial deafness can be conveyed through good sound design, and the first Hunger Games is already brilliant with how it uses silence to intensify scenes. Think about the Cornucopia, for example. It would have been an interesting symmetry, since the explosion also happens there.
Also: Rue, Prim, and Chuck's deaths hit us hard because they represent the goodness and innocence that is lost under the dystopian system. First off, they're literal children. You can't exactly get more "inherently good" than that. But also, and mostly because they're kids, they show a more innocent perspective on the events of the story. (Think about Chuck's "Woah, that's awesome," how Rue teases Katniss about Peeta, or how Prim brings her grumpy cat with her to District Thirteen. They are able to find joy in the horror of the world.) Prim's decision to become a medic also feeds into this; she risks her life to save others, making her representative of selfless altruism. (This also shows how trauma makes kids grow up too fast. Katniss reflects at one point in Mockingjay that the young girl she volunteered for at the Reaping is gone, even though it's only been a year.) The death of a healer is thematically symbolic in and of itself, but a healer who also happens to be thirteen years old and the motivation for almost all of Katniss's decisions (volunteering, winning, pretending to be in love with Peeta, being the Mockingjay, etc) over the course of the series? Collins might as well have titled the chapter "The Death of the Last Bits of Good in the World".
Tbh Katniss' hearing was restored right after by surgeons. But they also skip over that they wanted her to have implants because she was so malnourised after the games, and she was constantly sedated and Haymitch had to argue with people to not give her implants without her consent 😭 I definitely agree with the Peeta thing though, didnt make sense to leave out
@@CherryCresentOh shoot I forgot about that! I don't get why they didn't at least include it in the Games part though; the paranoia Katniss feels about not having a full range of hearing ramped up the tension even higher in the books. It was so palpable that I thought she remained partially deaf afterwards because of how strong of an impression the scenes of her without her hearing left on me.
@@nelsonhill4625That's really shitty of you but ok
@@nelsonhill4625?????
Yeah, same. Apparently they did it because of budgeting reasons, but personally I still think they were trying to ride the Twilight-“girl torn between two hot guys”-train and didn’t think an amputee would be marketable enough. It’s a shame, honestly
A couple of small details that get overlooked by both the hunger games movies and my people watching them are 1) katniss has body hair in the book which i get Hollywood like to ignore but i feel like that fleshes out the world a little. Like katniss can't worry about that when she's too busy surviving but when the capital staff get her tv ready they wax it all off of her.
2) for the berry scene (and I'll be honest i don't know why this bothers me) in the book they make it clear that katniss and peeta already had the berries in their mouths before anyone stopped them but for some reason the movie didn't do. Idk i think it's just that they don't sell us on the idea that they were actually gonna kill themselves (which take that as you will)
Other details often forgotten by the movies and fans: peeta’s prosthetic, madge’s existence, the cosmetic surgeries katniss went through/haymitch having to fight against the more egregious ones, the book stylist team
@@angel-ts1lz another thing I can't remember if they touched on in the movie was the wolves in the first movie implied to either be modeled after or genetically spliced with the dead contestants? Just adds an extra layer of horror
@@fullmetalfangirl12I’ve never read the books, only have seen the movies, is that actually a thing in the books? Because if it is, that’s a whole other level of sick and twisted, and I love it
@@v1cety107yes, katniss says that their eyes are from fallen tributes, and she can recognize each one of them
@@fullmetalfangirl12weren't those the mutants in the last book? the ones that got finnick. i remember one of them had rue's eyes, i was shocked to see that detail overlooked in the movie and instead was replaced with humanoids, but it's been years so i might have been mistaken
Peeta's real talent was charisma. He was a naturally likeable person who managed to not only win people over but make others also root for Katniss, who was rough around the edges and angry. He manipulated the capitol audience into rooting for their love, even though it was very much one sided. He manipulated the alliance into believing he was going to help them hunt her down. He manipulated the capitol audience again into being angry in the second games.
What's really funny to me is that the DIVERGENTS in Divergent are basically special/normal because they're neurotypical. Like there's even a part in Book 2, I think, where evil president lady is describing the neurological differences and it's like "yes... you are less intense about your interests and have a strong control over how you regulate and direct your attention."
I think it’s an interesting idea actually. But the execution could have been better.
i havent watched the movies or read the books, but just given the part where it's revealed that it was all just experimentation made me think "oh, so they're doing eugenics to wipe out neurodivergent or mentally ill people" which i think is an interesting message if that's what was intended
In book 3 it turns out it’s a simulation
It really went the complete opposite route of Percy Jackson 😂
I was willing to sit through Divergent... until the moment they captured Triss a second time, and put her in a simulation instead of fucking killing her, which is supposedly their intent. Not only is this dystopian government built around meaningless segregations with no real function, it's also fucking stupid and incompetent.
Also, it was funny to find out Shailene Woodley was apparently _insufferable_ to work with. It makes sense.
Ok I need to know the drama around why it makes sense that Shailene Woodley is insufferable :D
@@chillitheconqueror3567 for one thing, she's a bit of a modern hippie. She didn't really do deodorant. Like many actors, her diet was ridiculously restrictive and she tended to throw fits about it. Then the weird bit, she also ate clay. Little balls of clay, and she'd just pop one in her mouth now and then and eat it.
@@WolfHreda oh ewwwww
@@WolfHredathe only one we can justify with her is the restrictive diet. I’d also have a fit if I can’t have my French fries. But part of being human is learning how to regulate our emotions and empathizing with others 😅. Also lack of deodorant 😷
Allegient was actually supposed to be a 2-parter, with part 2 titled "Ascendant". However, the studio made the decision to turn it into a tv series at the very last minute, so all of the actors bailed because that was not in their contract. So it just got cancelled.
LOL omg 😂
I totally forgot that they didn’t do the 4th but it’s prob good cuz the ending of the book just made me so mad cuz what was the point of the entire series
I always thought it would be cool if Hunger Games had an R Rated remake. Could be a really good horror film
are you intentionally referencing Battle Royale? Because if not, good news: Battle Royale.
@@KaelWrit Yeah Battle Royale is great and obviously influenced the Hunger Games, but a darker version of HG as a fan of the series would be dope
The books were definitely more R rated.
I’m pretty sure Peacock is in talks with the writer about making a 1 season series about Haymitch’s hunger games and it being very violent
@@Soar_Leanooh this sounds very interesting
For a good 6 years writers were quite literally trying to steal out of Suzanne Collins' purse
She got inspired by real events, meanwhile other tried to just blanty copy her. It's 2023 and people keep talking about hunger games because it has similarities to the real world. Meanwhile no one talks about the other dystopian movies
Don’t let Koshun Takami hear this.
katniss never dated gale and never actually liked him! she thought she was SUPPOSED to like him so she tried her best to do so but she never did! also peeta did in fact decorate cakes and cookies :)
i think the point on decorating cakes is how is he THAT good? He was a baker in a super poor district, he surely was not making hyperrealistic extravagant cakes and cookies. how was he able to turn himself into a realistic rock or a tree like that???
@@marie-pier1660 some people are just naturally gifted in art my sister never took lessons but even as a child she was a really good artist its probably just a natural talent
@@marie-pier1660 the ENTIRETY of district 12 isnt poor. Theres a few people there who have extra money to spend and they make it clear in the books that his cakes were made for super special occasions. Not an every day wealthy person thing
@@marie-pier1660they really stretch it in the movie, in the books hes just kinda buried & covered in mud , not like sfx blended into the rocks lol
With them dating im just going off of what the movies are presenting as this video isnt about the books, and it's clear they want us to think that they were a thing before the games so people buy into the love triangle
the Peeta rock scene is the most iconic moment in film history idc what anyone says
Somebody never watched the Flash going into the Speed Force...
As far as The Hunger Games, the books and movies are bangers, though I really think they didn't have to drag out the last one into two parts. But the movie version of Catching Fire slaps the hardest.
Unpopular opinion, but I think splitting mockingjay into two parts was the right call
@@tmm4195I’d genuinely love to hear why. I’ve never heard this take, but I think the last two movies aren't as bad as people say.
@@reaganrambles1951 I personally liked it split because it allowed for more character development and small character moments to be in which made part 2 so much more heartbreaking. We learn a lot more about Finnick and Snow’s character that I don’t believe would’ve been fleshed out with only one movie. I love the time they took in part 1 to elaborate Katniss being a participant in the war as an icon to rally the rebels. I feel like with one movie, all that would’ve been glossed over to get to the action which would’ve been a major disservice to the theme of the series. I believe Mockingjay part 1 and 2 do the story justice. I feel like Hunger Games is one of the few YA movies to do the splitting the last book into two movies right
ngl i liked the catching fire movie more than i liked the book and i have no idea why, considering i usually prefer books to movies
@@tmm4195 i absolutely agree, people already critique about how much was left out from the books from both those films (which is valid). i think that they could have covered more bases in both the films had they had a little more time, but there was no way an audience would’ve been satisfied with what they could have covered in only one film.
I love the Hunger Games as it tries to say something about our current society (well for America). All these movies act like they do but the hunger games was able to focus on smaller details and say something about it (like the whole "if it wasn't for the baby" being commentary on how people care about unborn children more than actual children)
Fun fact I didn’t learn until recently, most of the stupid names in the Hunger Games are reasonable deviations of present day names, corrupted through time since HG is supposed to be hundreds of years in the future. Prime example is fondant boy himself, whose name is Peter, if you spell it like it’s pronounced in the Kentucky/WV area district 12 is most likely to be.
kinda. names just mean a lot in HG. peeta is a type of bread, mellark means “a lie”. the boy is literally a baker who wrapped the capitol around his finger, “if it weren’t for the baby” and all.
Me and my parents watched the movie first and went through the whole thing thinking that Jennifer Lawrence just pronounced “Peter” in a weird accent. It wasn’t until I got the books that I realised it was actually “Peeta” and my mum was absolutely shocked when I told her.
It's also a play on pita bread, since he's a baker and all
District 12 is in the Appalachian Mountains in the northeast
@@ofthewilderwoodsi think its south actually. In the writers audiobook they have a similar accent to Lucy Gray in the new movie
As someone who was the exact target demographic age during this time, plus having actually met both Veronica Roth and James Dashner, it's interesting to look back. Kids today don't remember just how huge Divergent was back in the day. At Bookcon 2017, Veronica Roth had huge lines. I actually liked the films, but as someone who saw all three films in the theater, you could definitely tell that the third film went off the rails. Still, it's a shame that it never got a proper conclusion. I swear, I'm pretty sure Divergent killed the practice of splitting the last book into two films. At least Maze Runner got to do all three films, plus a new sequel series. But NO ONE is talking about Divergent these days.
Plus another funny tidbit: the first Divergent film and Fault in Our Stars came out around the same time. So whichever film you saw first definitely weirded you out on the other one.
I just really didn't like the casting in divergent. I loved the first 2 books and dropped out on the third one, it just wasn't as good imo
I was really obsessed with the first 2 books tho. I read them because my class was reading maze runner and I finished it within a couple days of class so my teacher let me read divergent. We watched it in theaters as a field trip and I was so disappointed, more than the hunger games first movie adaptation 😭
There was also the spectacular now, which had shailene and miles as love interests as well.. they were booked and busy those years
I am very happy they didn't make the last film tbh bc we can just pretend everyone lives and nobody dies
Divergent was HUGE when I was in middle school. I remember one time this kid was being an asshole to me and I saw he was reading divergent, so I spoiled the end of the series for him and I still remember how his face instantly fell lol
Oh my god Allegiant was horrible I hated it. I read those books dozens of times before seeing the movies and I was legitimately just confused during the whole thing 😭
I was OBSESSED with The Hunger Games books when they came out and my dad took me to see the first movie, I think as a bonding exercise. It became a tradition with the rest of the movies. My dad was *unironically* Team Gale from the very first movie because “Katniss should have been loyal to the guy who was there first”🙄
That 🙄 says so much without needing to say anything at all 😭😭💀💀💀
@@goldenmoon1139 Thank you for catching the subtext lololol
no offense to your dad, but what a guy statement, lol 😔😭
@@kaamn1829i’m totally with gale here and i’m sure her dad didn’t get the full picture, but let’s be honest statements like that are why men think all women cheat or leave or aren’t loyal, broad stroking statements
"The guy who was there first".
No offense to your dad, but, for real, sounds like he has some unresolved issue from the past echoing in his mind 🤔😅.
It's so funny that the rock paint scene remained unchanged in the parody movie lmao
He turned himself into a literal giant pink cake in the parody, but I'm pretty sure that they could've just left the scene as is and it would have been just as if not even funnier LMFAOOOO
Dude i randomly found the Starving Games on amazon prime and will never recover from it lmao😭
Actually peeta in the books is described as someone with broad shoulders and he can carry heavy stuff and throw them around due to carrying flour in the bakery. So it gave him more advantage as a threat to other tributes than katniss who was perceived as naive childlike person who was in love. And btw she wasn’t dating gale before the games but it was hinted that they are jealous of each other’s potential love interests.
9:26 they didn't bring Mags back, she volunteered so Annie, the other tribute Finick's partner, didn't have to go in and compete against him, not to mention Annie was extremely traumatised by her games, more than most.
the cut from “they’re coming, katniss, you’ll be dead by morning” to “he’s warning us 🤔” is so funny 😭
Wow, Haymitch, that was a very genius observation.
@@harnanmylvaganam6311it’s even funnier in the books because everyone else is like “could this be a warning? 🤔 “
I used to be absolutely insane for Maze Runner and being in the teen dystopia YA fandoms, Maze Runner never really got the praise and attention as the other ones did so seeing someone outside of that circle really enjoy them healed something in me. I also feel like I have to reread and rewatch it now and let it completely take over me again, like a dormant curse that Pinely just HAD to reawkaken. thanks a lot.
I remember loving the maze runner books, but hating the movies. I think I only watched the first one but hated it and refused to watch the others. I don’t remember what I was upset about other than not liking the monster design(I don’t remember what it’s called)
surprisingly, i like the maze runner movies more than the books. i think that the books are excellent, but i feel like the story lends itself to the screen much more
I’ve never watched or read the maze runner series and I’ve been curious, would it better to read the books first and then watch the movies or do it the same at around?
the later maze runner books are truly insane though and i don’t think it’s spoken about enough
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The divergent series has the kind of script you'd see from a very bad immature fanfic inspired by the Hunger Games, it being inspired by Battle Royal and it being inspired by the running man.
That sums it up almost perfectly. I know the comparisons to Battle Royale are as old as The Hunger Games themselves, but they're not only inevitable, they're totally valid.
Battle Royale handled dystopia so much more cleanly than The Hunger Games ever could've.
@@WolfHreda In all fairness even if the hunger games movies weren't my cup of tea I can still find redeemable qualities or at least things that makes me admit I understand the hype and the fandom around it but I truly cannot have this same sympathy for the Divergent series which is just... i dunno immature, pointless, kind of thinking the audience are dumb as well a little I feel like. I don't mind a story that has already been told as long as you bring something new to the table but Divergent is some sort of poor replica of what Hunger Games at least made its own while (in my opinion) very clearly inspired by other works.
@WolfHreda the thing is, battle Royale and hunger games had completely different themes. They aren't making the same point so they handle the subject matter differently.
@@writerchick94that I totally agree on. While the format is similar the way it's handled is different enough for me to admit the Hunger Games series belong even if I don't enjoy it that much.
@@WolfHredathat's just... So wrong. Battle Royale is Divergent level of dystopia, it's about punishing teens who act out. It's a good horror movie, but good dystopia it is not. Hunger Games is the epitome of dystopia, an excellent analogy for capitalism, specifically when contributing to fascism, and the way it turns the lower class against each other in order to keep power.
Best franchise-hunger games
The Quality of the movies staying the same- Maze Runner
Best for a drinking game with friends- whatever the other one is
thats a great way to put it
A point: the Divergent movie series drastically diverges from the books and make them even worse (the books are still terrible in their own right). Four's name is explained in the books but it's irrelevant in the movie so there's no point in explaining it here. Either way, the divergent books made me angry and the movies made me angrier.
Let’s not even talk about the ending of the last book cuz what was that
@@rejoice37 i threw the book when I read that part
@@dianesaccomano2671 same and then I picked it up or the epilogue and then threw it again cuz wtf
I know you said it didn't matter but I really wanna know why lol
@chattycatty3336 because they go through a series of testing that challenges them with their worst fears and most of them have a LOT... Four only had... Four. That's it, that's why. His real names is Tobias. There's a lot of other stuff but yeah, that's how he got his name.
knowing that the author of divergent started as like a fanfic writer explains why it the plot makes no sense. not that fanfic writers can’t be talented, but usually when their work gets turned into a whole franchise it doesn’t end well (i’m looking at you, After)
well, any wattpad fanfics are a truly a horrifying experience
@@myraclesname sooo true
I think the whole problem that she wrote whole first book for like 2 weeks (???). That crazy! No wonder that nothing make sense in her world
50 shades anyone?
@@violetsparkles5453 exactlyyyy
The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes movie is so unbelievably good. They wrote it so well, and all the actors did outstanding. You are so connected to the characters and it breaks your heart when they go.
27:43 "You can only be DAUNTLESS if you're BRAVE enough to SHIT in front of OTHER PEOPLE"
Maze Runner will forever be my fav of the 3 series. I just absolutely adore the bond between all the characters and love that it doesn't really focus on a particular romance, but mainly just the friendship and brotherly relationship of the boys. They all feel like one big family and are incredibly loyal to one another. It's just so adorable and refreshing to see.😭
I just finished rewatching the Hunger Games series like two days ago, thought they held up pretty good. Wild that you just dropped this right after haha
"Wild"? Everyone's rewatching and/or releasing Hunger Games content at the moment because the prequel is in theatres.
@artyb27 ok pardon me for not knowing what other people are doing? I didn't even know there was a new movie chill out
Same! I just rewatched all the hunger games and they were way more violent than i remembered, I can’t believe they let children and teens watch this ie me when I was a kid
I recommend watching the prequel if you havent its fantastic
I always found it hilarious that in the world of Divergent people are categorized into a singular personality. Like they don't think a smart person can be honest or kind, or a brave person can be smart. It expects you to believe that the adults in this world don't have enough of a personality to have more than one archetype.
Unfortunately, that's how characters are still written in some fictions.
Especially geek/ nerd characters. People somehow can't be simultaneously smart and attractive, especially female characters.
Maze Runner was always cool to me because it was one of few YA dystopian series that was geared towards boys, and the most important theme in the series is the relationship between all the characters. I haven't read it in years but i remember feeling like they were really healthy and supportive and stuff, and were emotionally mature in a way that youths could understand. They give each other privacy to deal with their circumstances in their own way, they create a whole functional society, and the dynamics they build in that society they created carry them in the rest of the series.
Also, I think it's silly that the girl character who I'm pretty sure is the catalyst of the whole plot was mentioned halfway through the second movie section. I don't remember how the book treated her character, maybe I should watch them again? Please tell me if I got anything wrong here or totally misremembered everything lol
i just finished my twelfth rewatch of this video. truly a pinely classic.
Woah a time traveler
What speed you watching at 😂😂
Hunger games was a genuine interesting analysis of how American culture exploits minorities and normalises brutality. Then everyone copied them and the entire point was eroded.
The live broadcasting creating a conflict could be solved easily by having the plot explain "only the capital citizens are allowed the live broadcast as a perk, while everyone gets the edit 1 week later", but it always being illegally accessed by everyone in the districts. It could even bring in an interesting dynamic of the capital trying to shut down these streaming parties or trying to eliminate the unedited videos.
It’s mentioned that schools in the districts broadcast the latest updates on the games during the lunch time during the first days of the game, so I guess that during the first days everyone in the districts keeps working and going to school only to get an edited version of the broadcast, but it’s also mentioned that school gets cancelled so everyone can watch the final days, when I suppose they get the live broadcast
Lmao in high school, i got kicked out of my friends' book club bc i said the Divergent books are garbage and i wasn't allowed to go see the movies with them
in defense of the live broadcasting, the games specifically need to be live so that sponsors can interact with the tributes in real time
omg i used to be obsessed with the maze runner books! i remember being super disappointed with the 3rd movie cause of how they changed newts death scene. just hit a lot harder in the books.
also there were a couple of prequels to the main series that made it a lot darker imo. i can't remember if it was mentioned in the last movie but (spoilers ig?) the guys were all friends in their little lab facility before they entered the maze. thomas was the one who actually designed the maze along with theresa. he had to watch his friends get their memories wiped and live in the walls through some surveillance thingy. crazy stuff
I loved the books too! But hated the movies because they just changed and cut out too much compared to the books. Like by the 3rd movie I didn't even recognise the scenes shown, so I rage quit before finishing it XD.
Spoilers! Them cutting out the telekinesis between Thomas and Theresa pissed me off royally
I loved the books too! They really did Scorched Earth dirty though. In the original it was done so much better and could be seen as a test/maze on its own.
When i was like ten and definitely not gay i wrote a whole fanfic on paper about katniss rejecting both peeta and gale and just being really good friends with this girl OC i created while they were doing revolution things. This has nothing to do eith the video but i felt compelled to share. Thanks for another banger video mr pinely (and dystopia pinely with a k).
smh why make an OC when Madge was right there
@rainbowlack you're so right I'll let 10 year old me know of their lack of foresight
@@shadowofthemoon3104 thanks bud i appreciate it💪
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It’s a common misconception that Suzanne Collins had insider information about Fortnite which inspired the Hunger Games franchise. In fact, it was actually the Minecraft: Hunger Games minigame which inspired the Hunger Games series.
What’s even worse about gale is they NEVER dated, they were just friends so close they were often referred to as being cousins 💀💀💀
the cousin thing was just made up later on because her having a close male friend wouldn't fly with the "fans" in the capitol. nobody called them cousins before that
With Divergent, I always thought the whole thing made sense if you see it as a metaphor for autism; if you're neurodivergent you're sometimes considered both defective and a burden to society, and also a savant that is a danger to the status quo at the same time. No idea if any of that is intentional from the writers, but it always made sense to me personally at least.
Makes sense since you’re not as easily controlled
the hunger games is so good because it actually feels like a world that your mind can put istelf into, due to great world building and good direction. divergent feels like people acting in a movie. it never seems like anything is actually that serious, like the characters just don't care, and that's why it feels so fake. i think it also has something to do with the fact that divergent's love story takes such a foreground role, unlike the one in the hunger games that never feels more important than the actual situations that the characters get into. there's also something to be said about the size of the setting, with THG spanning a whole country, while divergent is just one city. the maze runner doesn't seem all that comparable to either in these ways considering the main setting for at least the first book/film is manufactured and not really meant to have much general world building, but i think that also means that people lose interest following them being outside of it since any familiarity is lost.
the personailty trait thing in divergent is also just befuddling. as said in the video, tris doesn't have any traits that make her stand out because her whole thing is that she has equal amounts of every quality. that literally just doesn't make any sense. i think a decent fix to this in relation to the world building would've been for the general population to all have the divergent 'nothing' personality. faction leaders could be determined by their test results showing very high levels in one area, and the actual divergent people could have some sort of scale breaking aptitude for everything in a way that actually makes them interesting and shows that they excel in all areas.
granted being divergent is kinda busted anyway, because the traits will always be at odds. smart people know that it's not always a good idea to be a hundred percent honest, like in cases where they'd have to lie to protect themselves and/or others. they would also know that sometimes being needlessly brave is also not the best thing in every situation. abnegation/amity feel like they'd have no sense of boundaries on account of their respective traits, and i feel as though a true 'divergent' person would just end up mind broken because they're always at odds with themselves.
The best thing about the Divergent series is they had the balls to make Tris sacrifice herself and actually stay dead, but they didn’t make it to that book in the movies
RIGHT??? that shit had me so angry tris was so annoying and when she sacrificed herself it at least gave her like some sort of redemption? i guess? because then her entire character wasn’t just pointless you know. yeah i was so mad i screamed at the tv for a while
0:00 i’m literally reading the hunger games books to write a essay about teen dystopian books right now oh my god this could have literally never been better timing
I have to say, this is probably my favourite video I've seen of yours. The comedy was really on it, you made some great points, and I think you managed to keep a one hour video entertaining and snappy rather than having it drag on. I've been having a really terrible week and this really cheered me up :) Also going to watch the new HG movie now!
I second this
I remember reading the maze runner as a teen and ngl the first book opened my eyes to all the work someone can put into a book! Like Tolkien the author had basically made a whole different language that the kids spoke bc they'd lived isolated for so long??? It took some work getting used to but damn it was worth it
LOVED teen dystopia as a teen. THG and TMR were some of my biggest obsessions when i was 14 lmao, honestly the genre is still fun but there are some stinkers. One year in highschool our english teachers gave us teen dystopia novels to read and analyse, my class got the first book in the 'mortal engines' series and it's really good! At least from what i can remember, not sure about the movie it looks kinda ass comparatively. I should reread/watch these old obsessions of mine again for fun sake
the only other decent ya dystopian novel ive read is scythe
I LOVE Maze Runner. There's no one who's evil- like he said, there's mystery and confusion. The plot makes sense mostly in the books (though Scorch Trials is a bit.. questionable).
Great video; one complaint: Not enough Newt from Maze Runner. Lack of Newt? Day ruined, crops unwatered, family unfed.
could not agree more. great vid tho
pinely i unfortunately have to deduct points for saying gale and katniss were dating! gale definitely wanted them to be but they weren't on the same page about that
I love how the title went from something like watching all the teen dystopia movies to that time everyone copied The Hunger Games 💀
Always here for Gale hate. And I will never get over the decision they made to have Peeta paint himself like a rock.
whats also important to remember is that in the books Gale, unlike Peeta, has a family that he loves and wants to protect (i mean peeta doesnt want his fam dead but he really only cares about protecting katniss). they're part of why he puts his name in so many times and i believe even says he also would've volunteered if his siblings were old enough and selected. Which makes it even more outrageous that he both says he wouldnt break like peeta and sacrifices Katniss's little sister (who was *her* mockingjay. *her* hope and symbol of change. literally the reason she did any of this) if he were in peeta's position and they threatened his little siblings he'd snap like a twig. and if katniss sacrificed his siblings im pretty sure he'd have killed her tbh.
I think the point of The Hunger Games is that the games are freaking vile, and they don't really need a ton of the games to show that. While its obv central to the plot, the more of them the story explores, the more you are fotting into the capital's desensitized point of view
You know what's most frustrating about the love triangle in Hunger Games? THERE'S NO TRIANGLE - Katniss was never into Gale, she keeps saying in her narration how they're like family, by the end of book 3 she's like "wow you'd do a war crime? yikes"
Peeta is the only real romantic option for Katniss *in Katniss' eyes* and Gale is just coming onto her but hey Twilight made profit with its love triangle let's pretend it's here as well yaaaaaaay
Thanks for the very fun and informative video about all the Star Wars projects, Drew!
wait until you see the next video
@@Pinely waiting patiently with the bell rung 🔔
When I was a kid and read that scene in the book when Peeta disguises himself my dumb ass thought he did it with frosting and was just… lying there covered in frosting 💀
I didn't love divergent but I've watched it several times in my college dorm with people simply because Four is like the perfect case study for an attractive male supporting character in a YA movie.
His quote "I don’t want to be just one thing. I want to be brave and selfless and intelligent and honest and kind." Was fucking phenomenal in that scene.
The Hunger Games worked because it blended fiction with a serious potential reality setting. The characters, themes and story all felt real, and it made it so much more terrifying. Not to mention all the actors nailed their performances. Katniss was a truly fantastic heroine!
Divergent and Maze Runner just did not have that same rawness and realness.
Maze Runner had some of the themes the Hunger games stuck with
And honestly the supporting cast in Maze Runner is better than the Hunger games
However the more fantastical setting(the Maze was crazy, Scorch even crazier, and the whole illness was wild) and less captivating MC(Katniss had depth, Thomas didnt really) is what gives THG a win there
I loveee THG and TMR equally it's nice that TMR is slowly getting the praise it should've deserved and gotten when the books+movies came out
ALSO FUN FACT: The author James dashner he said he chose the name 'WICKED' to make us the readers/watchers question them whenever someone said "WICKED is good"
That’s why I thought it was weird when the movie changed it to WCKD. Got to get rid of those vowels I guess
Divergent is literally one woman liking both parkour and cottage core somehow bringing down a government
49:33 "its essentially like Saw for teenagers really" made me laugh thats a good one
Referring to Hunger Games Tributes as "Hungry Gamers" got a chuckle out of me😂
i genuinely forgot gale existed in the hunger games, that's how insignificant he was to the plot
Your point about live broadcasting is so fucking funny and so true but it has literally never once occurred to be before this
I was thinking about this, but the games actually need to be live because people in the Capital are betting on winners and actively changing outcomes by sending gifts. If it is a delayed broadcast, the concept of Sponsors wouldnt really come into play.
I swore I read in the 1st Hunger Games book, that Peeta's family does do cakes for some people of the Capitol. And that's how he got supplies for the whole scene where he camouflage himself as a rock.
The aggressiveness when defending Maze Runner is valid, I feel it
a bonus to Gale being a Weird Freak: they werent even dating before she went, it was just a "haha we're just such good friends" thing so him being an absolute freak about it is even Weirder
Peeta was secretly the second coming of Bob Ross🤫
How could you forget to include The Host!? It's such a hilariously terrible movie and was based off Stephanie Meyer's attempt at making scifi. It's one of my favorites but nobody else seems to remember it
I bet it'll be in the next video he makes on the topic because there were quite a lotta these back then. Weirdly enjoyed The Host more than any of the Twilight movies too.
I own the book and movie, I like them both. 🤷♀️
It’s not dystopia
Because everyone thinks about Korean kaiju movie with the same name.
Was there an attempt 🤔? It doesn't look like it 😅.
i can’t believe you didn’t mention newt (the best character) once when discussing the maze runner smh
he was incredible but there were some things i wanted people to experience for themselves when watching the movies :)
@@Pinelyat least i know now that you liked him! :)
i was obsessed with him as a 14 year old to the point where i have never watched the death cure as i didn’t want to watch *that scene* happen since reading about it was bad enough lmaoo
its so weird how nobody ever compares the hunger games to the movie battle royale which is clearly a lot of the inspiration. like to do a deep dive and not even mention that movie is crazy
yeah totally!! honestly i think the majority of people still dont even know that that movie exists, let alone that hunger games was inspired by it lol. i mean i guess its understandable that a japanese movie wouldnt get as popular in the us but its still important to mention the impact that the movie had
Tris went to the salon and said "Make me look like a butch lesbian." She did stop at dying her hair blue, though.
My hunger games head Canon is the inner district's schools that train kids actually have them do a practice hunger game or two, so they're sending regional champions, while the outer districts just send clueless rookies which is why they don't win.
Also, it's called the hunger games because the inner districts don't have food despite their apparent opulence.
I'm glad we agree Minho's an absolute legend
55:57 the chokehold that clip had over me in middle school was WILD
I love the Maze Runner movies. I felt they were pretty solid compared to the books.
Katniss and Gale NEVER DATED! She didn't have feelings for him like that, she saw him as a brother!
The divergent movies could’ve been great if they were just written well
This statement also applies to the book lol
Tbh yeh
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the maze runner appreciation in this video was unexpected but very appreciated as someone who was rlly into it back in the day (rip chuck)
I think for the live broadcast thing in the hunger games it has to do with the spon sors. The short amount of time to get gift to the tributes could mean the difference between life and death for the tribute
there's like a bunch of non hunger game related things tho: peeta's interview, katniss getting hit by a peacekeeper, the victors holding hands
No, hon, it's literally the spectacle of the thing. It's entertainment for the elite in a society that is decaying.
@@lowwastehighmelanin that spectacle, to the capitalist, is horse betting but with actual humans (in universe) hon
Also realized when you were mentioning Peeta’s warning that it could have been skipped if the capital just used a deepfake.
I feel like THG aged pretty well. Like yeah maybe i hold them close to my heart bc they were a part of my childhood but looking at it objectively, they're good. They touch interesting subjects. I think what makes them great is the fact that it combines fiction with a lot of things that truly happen in our world. That's why other sagas didn't stick as much as these books.
Another important saga that even tho i dont like (and maybe doesnt belong to this genre) is Harry Potter. I dont like it but i can admit that JK did a pretty good job building a big fantasy world
Looking forward to the second part of this video, where Pinely talks about Logan Paul's failed dystopian saga "The Thinning" (it was supposed to be a trilogy, but they only made two)
the pixie cut was indeed criminal ngl
I always forget that now I'm the same age as a lot of youtubers and get jumpscared by that fact
The Divergent series is just The Giver mixed with Harry Potter mixed with Hunger Games.
17 year old me would have absolutely had the time of my life discussing these books/movies with you ten years ago.
My dual credit English lit class literally had us read this series for assignments my senior year and, weird small town bonus, my class got a private early showing of catching fire at our tiny one screen theater 😂
Team Peeta and solidarity for crying while reading Rue’s death scene ✊🏻
ETA: I honestly enjoyed reading the Divergent series. It’s been several years so my memory is hazy, but I still remember how much the last book hurt me emotionally lmao. However I did hear that the movies were garbage and decided to fully avoid them. Seems like that was the right choice. I learned after I really enjoyed the Eragon books as a child just for them to shit out a movie so awful that it never even got a sequel 😭
I read all the books right after the first movie came out, ive always loved how in the books its so clear how much katniss hates the idea of pretending to have a crush on peta but in the movie shes down to pretend