I hope youll continue making videos like this because i genuinely enjoyed watching it. It seems you have put a lot of effort into editing plus the jokes make it 10 times funnier. You never seem to disappoint us, and youve definitely earned my respect.
The red and green lights are the same on boats and planes, where the left wing/portside has red where the right wing/starboard has green. I imagine that when they began using colored lights they simply used that convention because it was easy anyway. At least they stopped showing who got hit, instead of who made the hit, because that shit was confusing.
I'm a foilist, with epee being my second favorite weapon, but I appreciate your channel for the superb commentary that is so hard to find in the fencing world. Keep up the work you do on this channel, man : )
Love the video, I practiced sport fencing for many years and I find it fun to watch. I do HEMA now because I do like the thinking process during the assaults more, actually trying to think like being in duel, avoiding doubles and afterblows as possible, self preservation to put it simple, but we obviously donât believe it to be real fighting either. I mean⊠we are not killing each other or using sharp swords. Would be nice to have a sort of HEMA/sport fencing video where you friendly talk together with a HEMAist about the differences and similarities of both disciplines and how to do both without any problems. Many HEMAist practice both actually. I do.
i love that you wrote that you are doin both ! my days of fencing and swordfighting are behind me for roughly 20 years (before it was even called HEMA) - and iam irritated by the modern HEMA enthusiasts often dismiss fencing ! It has still all the core elements in place - and i dont understand why they prefer to mention the few differences more than the many similarities !
I think that many HEMAists including myself don't have a problem with sport fencing itself, rather we have a problem with how its advertised. Just look at the series Wensday. To fix this problem, I think we should make a pretty clear distinction between Martial Fencing and Sport Fencing. Martial Fencing would include HEMA, Kali, some styles of Kenjutsu, etc etc. While sport fencing should include Kendo, Olympic fencing, Canne du Combat, etc etc.
@@Ashorisk The differences we find annoying are not in the technique, but rather in the mindset and rules. Matt Easton has made some fantastic videos on the topic that explain this in depth. Also, the flick.... Please remove that abomination.
@@iantheduellist as soon as Swordfighting got organized ... defined rulesand Hold HEMA tournaments it entered the realm of SPORT - its not the other way around. And while Swordfighting got Sportified over the last 20 years the community around it often shows some animosity vs fencing. way more than the people who did Swordfighing before it was called HEMA.
A few comments. 1. the bee keeper, epic.. 2. masterfully put together 3. **best critical drinker voice** ".. the convention..." I will ensure to share this with anyone interested in the sport as another resource for basic information besides me just smiling and spewing angry comments about saber officials.
Great video mate, good commentary and a useful explanation of convention to newcomers. Better lighting and dark plain backgrounds without all the logos and pictures would help make the blades clearer.
Our fencing was never a "real" fight. It's directly descended from ceremonial trial-by-combat. There were rules, a referee, and very often a doctor present to attend to injuries. It was *never* "MMA with swords."
Fencing is desended from the practise version of small sword not trial by combat as it was illegal in almost all nations of europe in the 18th century. Dueling was common in the 18th century yes but it was not a trial by combat as that is somting the king or a judge has to call.
@@martinhg98 give me a break. Modern Epee fencing is descended from 1850s-1920s dueling, you can find film of it here on CZcams. The weapons they used at the Olympics and those duels were essentially the same, aside from the blunt tips. Instead of "trial by combat" let's say "affair of honor" - it wasn't a "real" life or death street fight.
@@noahzsaber on the other hand was an Infantry Officer's sword, (which is why some countries had a much heavier saber for far longer before everything was standardized) but what you've said is just about spot on.
Good voice why are most vids in text? I think the disconnect between fencing and historical fencing is neither are actually fenced as people who intend to do physical harm or experience it. So when historical people talk about real fights they generally do not come from a background of really fighting; where as in MMA they are both playing a game and really fighting. Can't do that with swords so it's a lost conversation beyond as you said "keyboard warriors". What would be cool would be to show the faces of the athletes up on a screen or with tech mirror their image to the front of the mask and contrast the background to colored blades to see them better. The audience would feel more connected if they saw facial expressions throughout the bout.
I just discovered this chaĆnel, and I love it! I was quite deeply into sabre when it wasn't even electrified yet - in the seventies - and I had a chance to represent my country on junior levels of this... an olde love-story, you see. Things have developed a lot since then - some I like, some I don't. My favourites in these days are Aaron Szilagyi, Derswitz, Curatoli and Basadze. The Koreans are great of course, but their style is just not my cup of tea, I'm sorry. With all the best (yeah, and why not to meet on the piste one day, as I said an hour earlier elsewhere on your chaĆnel đ) With regards; R.
I heard they used red white and green as the colours for the lights because the inventor of the box was italian so worked in the colours of the italian flag.
If you want a sport that tries to simulate a real sword sight, the closest thing is HEMA (historical European martial arts) And then it's a very narrow slice of sword combat. The only thing we can effectively simulate is unarmed dueling.
Great video. About right of way, being 'hard to explain' and with so many bad call from referees, we should just stop using it. Foil and sabre should be like epee in this case.
Yeah the "purists" are always annoying. Like ... Sports aren't meant to simulate real world fights. Real world fights are brutal and unfair and people get seriously injured and die. No matter how badly you want to watch people actually chop at each other with real sharp swords, it's not gonna happen. Sorry dude. Also, the HEMA people with superiority complexes are really frustrating. "Olympic sport fencing rules are so complicated. They make it so it's not like a real fight." Then you look at HEMA rulesets where it's like 4 points for hitting the head, 3 for hitting the torso, 1 for hitting the arms, etc etc, in what universe is that any more realistic or less complicated??? Any time you introduce rules to something to make it a fair sport where people don't die, you've made it "not like a real fight" no matter what you do. Impossible to avoid.
tbf Ive found hema people to be way less like that these days. They've largely kind of gone full circle and realised the rules to any game are inherently arbitrary and that multiple ways to attempt to achieve the same subjective thing (eg rules about double hits/afterblows and so on) are equally valid.
The sport fencers with superiority complex are also annoying lol This goes to both sides, my friend. There will always be the person who thinks what they are doing is the best version of what they do. I practiced sport fencing for many years, thatâs the way I started, and today I practice HEMA. I LOVE both disciplines, but I generally tend to go more towards the historical point of view of fencing. To give you some examples of why I say this, when I moved to the US I couldnât find any HEMA club, so I opted to join a sport fencing one again and found myself in the uncomfortable situation of a coach rejecting me because of my HEMA protective gear, saying I was one of âthose historical guysâ and that he didnât want any of my âdumb methodsâ in his class. That I should come back when I learn what âreal fencingâ is. I briefly explained to him that I practiced epee for about 8 years and foil for one and went to the National Olympics in Mexico and that I perfectly know how SPORT fencing works. He tried to apologise, but I decided to leave anyway. I also had a similar story with HEMA, having one instructor tell me that I shouldnât do any of what I learned in sport fencing since it doesnât have any martial value. With him I just ignored his comment and now I mainly do smallsword, which is the most closely related weapon to the modern epee and foil, I mean⊠they were developed from it to put it in very general terms, and Iâve had a few HEMAist praise me for my good skill and martial thinking. Even though I tell them I donât believe Iâm that good.
@@CourtDuellist I'm sorry you had those experiences. There are definitely a lot of assholes in sport fencing and I'm disappointed but not surprised. In general, if people are having fun, staying active, bettering themselves, and being respectful I don't see a reason to yuck someone else's yum.
Better for what ? Weapons ? Yea HEMA weapons are cooler Techniques that you can use ? Yea HEMA is cooler But the rest ? It really depends on personal flavor
From my understanding fencing doesnt try to be realistic, thats HEMA. It tries to be a fun sport. Personally I want to do HEMA because its the actual historical thing but fencing is a spory, you play it for fun.
Not reallyâŠ. Most hema is as much a sport, but with heavier blades and a slightly different rule set. Thereâs more focus on blade alignment and different weapons, obviously, do different things.
But the goal is HEMA was always to simulate live armed combat. Competition is one thing, there are rules to keep people safe since they are more aggressive in competition, but that's just a training tool to make you better through cross training and pressure, not the end goal of HEMA.
how can we best market fencing to get really big audiences coz in low developed countries like mine Uganda, it's hard to market this, even the government bodies seem to be blind about it and it hurts coz we don't go get the necessary funds to push the sport further, so many good talents are dying because fencing is still in shadows especially in Africa. tag fie to get teams to rethink this
Paint our blades Hi-Vis-construction yellow/orange, so the everyday person can see it? It may look ugly, but I'll do anything to have spectators enjoy the show more. Edit: Does anyone know if we have the technology to have hi-vis paint AND still be conductive? Or is this physically not possible?
Making the blade more visible to the players would change the dynamics of the game. Could be interesting. Making the blade more visible to the video audience but not the players could be done with a light coat of retro reflective paint. Then a light next to the camera reflects back to the camera. Like the Jedi light sabre works. The paint wouldn't cover the whole blade so the electric would still work.
4:44 such an insult to HEMA. Historical martial fencing is growing quicker than ever, and in a few decades will be larger than olympic fencing for the simple reason that people like sword fighting, not electric tag with stiff wires.
How is this an insult to HEMA? HEMA is great, but it's a fact that FIE fencing is a much bigger sport worldwide. There are many more clubs, facilities, fencers, coaches than there are in HEMA. There is nothing insulting about this, maybe HEMA will grow but for now it is still in its infancy.
â@@SlicerSabreTo say that it is in the fringe of the sport and that its a small community, thats what I don't like. As if there where no international competitions like Combatcon or Sword Fish. Not to mention the companies that manufacture thousands of practice swords per month like regenei or purple heart armory. Also the video you put in that section is not representative of martial fencing, and I'm speaking as a practitioner of british, 18th century, military saber and historical foil of the 18th and 17th century. At least put a sparring bout between Richard Marsden and Lee Smith using polish saber. Thats a great representation of historical fencing.
@@dasmilyshelf7500 Fine then, I'll concede to the matter of HEMA being smaller than olympic fencing. But its not a fringe, its an international comunity with clubs in almost every country and has a the finacial capacity to fuel companies that only sell HEMA products. And yes, seeing as its a small community in comparison to olympic fencing, its insulting to see it represented in such a poor way. Would you like your style of fencing to be portrayed poorly by HEMA practitioners?
@@dasmilyshelf7500 even that is an unfair assesment of parkour! parkour is infinatly more well known then HEMA (if solely by the number of videos of people who fail to do it in a spectacular fashion)
There is nothing in the world which Nature, wise mistress and benign mother of the universe, with greater genius, and more diligent regard, provides Man for the conservation of his self (of which, more so than any other noble creature, he shows himself very dear of its safety), than the singular privilege of the hand, with which not only does he go procuring all things necessary for the sustenance of his life, but arming himself yet with the sword, noblest instrument of all, he protects and defends himself against any assault whatsoever of inimical force; following nonetheless the strict rule of true valor, and of the art of fencing. The aim of fencing is the defense of self, from whence it derives its name; because âto fenceâ does not mean other than defending oneself, hence it is that âprotectionâ and âdefenseâ are words of the same meaning Thence it is also seen that defense is the principal action in fencing, and that no one must proceed to offense, if not by way of legitimate defense. -Ridolfo Capo Ferro Sorry, mate. Fencing is sword fighting, to defend oneself effectively against violence in a sword fight. The misunderstanding of the word is the reason why people who practice actual swordsmanship around the world like Kenjutsu, FMA or HEMA avoid using that word when it infact represented sword fighting in general
I'd claim that a skilled epee sports fencer would do very well with the kind of late 19th century duelling swords that their equipment closely resembles. You always see a lot of HEMA people talking with a very arrogant attitude online, but when you actually watch their competitions live, they have equally short exchanges and seem to get mutual kills very frequently.
i understand the sport perfectly well. Which is why i can't watch it. after reading the three musketeers, and lots of other book lke the count of monte christo. this "sport" is nothing compared to what it used to be, so i cannot watch it. i understand taht some people enjoiy it. i cannot
@@moXnoX1 no, distance, line control, remise possibility and especially the tempo is far more different then in the real cold weapon fighing. Go to HEMA club -there you can realise how far more different the olimpic fencing is compere to the real weapon fighting.
@@moXnoX1 the difference is in almost everything. Olimpic fencing is just the game and lots of suicide actions is happening there-there is no place for that in hema. Most of olimpic fencers would be dead in the hema clubs if the weapons would be sharp and they can't stand that fight. Olimpic fencing is just the pitty game compere to the real weapons fighting.
@@Porzuc_Ateizm bullshit. No suicidal things are trained, on the contrary. Doubles happen everywhere where opponents are nearly equal. I saw a case when the top veteran foil fencer went to try hema in one of the best clubs and he managed to keep up and even beat some of top 10 hemarating athlets in hema sabre. After taking just one lesson and using just one attack and defence.
Amazing Vid! I love me some good video essays. From one fencing content creator to another I hope you continue making vids like this! There aren't many of us around đ„Č
I hope youll continue making videos like this because i genuinely enjoyed watching it. It seems you have put a lot of effort into editing plus the jokes make it 10 times funnier. You never seem to disappoint us, and youve definitely earned my respect.
Thanks, I've not been uploading as much because these kind of videos take a lot longer to make. I'm glad you enjoyed it.
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The red and green lights are the same on boats and planes, where the left wing/portside has red where the right wing/starboard has green. I imagine that when they began using colored lights they simply used that convention because it was easy anyway. At least they stopped showing who got hit, instead of who made the hit, because that shit was confusing.
was just about to stop the video and go "Aschtually!" and say this but you beat me
Itâs weird trying to ref if youâre not experienced though. Iâm not a total newb but I still instinctively want to point towards the light first.
Thanks for the colourblind reference, we are the forgotten ones đ”đŽ
I'm a foilist, with epee being my second favorite weapon, but I appreciate your channel for the superb commentary that is so hard to find in the fencing world. Keep up the work you do on this channel, man : )
foil: an elegant blade with quick play and beautiful parries
epee: a weapon of strategy and psychological battle
sabre: STICK FIGHT WHACK WHACK
đ„đ„ Amazing production Slicer đȘđȘ Your voiceovers are great
0:37 the slow descent into insanity continues lol
Love the video, I practiced sport fencing for many years and I find it fun to watch. I do HEMA now because I do like the thinking process during the assaults more, actually trying to think like being in duel, avoiding doubles and afterblows as possible, self preservation to put it simple, but we obviously donât believe it to be real fighting either. I mean⊠we are not killing each other or using sharp swords.
Would be nice to have a sort of HEMA/sport fencing video where you friendly talk together with a HEMAist about the differences and similarities of both disciplines and how to do both without any problems.
Many HEMAist practice both actually. I do.
i love that you wrote that you are doin both ! my days of fencing and swordfighting are behind me for roughly 20 years (before it was even called HEMA) - and iam irritated by the modern HEMA enthusiasts often dismiss fencing !
It has still all the core elements in place - and i dont understand why they prefer to mention the few differences more than the many similarities !
I think that many HEMAists including myself don't have a problem with sport fencing itself, rather we have a problem with how its advertised. Just look at the series Wensday. To fix this problem, I think we should make a pretty clear distinction between Martial Fencing and Sport Fencing. Martial Fencing would include HEMA, Kali, some styles of Kenjutsu, etc etc. While sport fencing should include Kendo, Olympic fencing, Canne du Combat, etc etc.
@@Ashorisk The differences we find annoying are not in the technique, but rather in the mindset and rules. Matt Easton has made some fantastic videos on the topic that explain this in depth.
Also, the flick.... Please remove that abomination.
@@iantheduellist as soon as Swordfighting got organized ... defined rulesand Hold HEMA tournaments it entered the realm of SPORT - its not the other way around. And while Swordfighting got Sportified over the last 20 years the community around it often shows some animosity vs fencing. way more than the people who did Swordfighing before it was called HEMA.
0:32....HA! I was the fencing guy in that bit, reffing this "bout." it was a fun shoot.
A few comments.
1. the bee keeper, epic..
2. masterfully put together
3. **best critical drinker voice** ".. the convention..."
I will ensure to share this with anyone interested in the sport as another resource for basic information besides me just smiling and spewing angry comments about saber officials.
To be fair, in a real sword fight both of the combatants were dead a lot of the times. So that point does not really hold truth.
Sure, but in scoring that they should probably both be discounted as not doing a good job no?
Great video mate, good commentary and a useful explanation of convention to newcomers. Better lighting and dark plain backgrounds without all the logos and pictures would help make the blades clearer.
Our fencing was never a "real" fight. It's directly descended from ceremonial trial-by-combat. There were rules, a referee, and very often a doctor present to attend to injuries. It was *never* "MMA with swords."
MMA also has rules, a referee, and medical staff present.
Fencing is desended from the practise version of small sword not trial by combat as it was illegal in almost all nations of europe in the 18th century. Dueling was common in the 18th century yes but it was not a trial by combat as that is somting the king or a judge has to call.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 then I guess it's not practical in a "real" fight either?
@@martinhg98 give me a break. Modern Epee fencing is descended from 1850s-1920s dueling, you can find film of it here on CZcams. The weapons they used at the Olympics and those duels were essentially the same, aside from the blunt tips. Instead of "trial by combat" let's say "affair of honor" - it wasn't a "real" life or death street fight.
@@noahzsaber on the other hand was an Infantry Officer's sword, (which is why some countries had a much heavier saber for far longer before everything was standardized) but what you've said is just about spot on.
Good voice why are most vids in text? I think the disconnect between fencing and historical fencing is neither are actually fenced as people who intend to do physical harm or experience it. So when historical people talk about real fights they generally do not come from a background of really fighting; where as in MMA they are both playing a game and really fighting. Can't do that with swords so it's a lost conversation beyond as you said "keyboard warriors". What would be cool would be to show the faces of the athletes up on a screen or with tech mirror their image to the front of the mask and contrast the background to colored blades to see them better. The audience would feel more connected if they saw facial expressions throughout the bout.
This was attempted with an experiment with visor masks. Didn't last long...
I have a solution for visibility. Make them glow. It makes it look cooler AND a noob can see what's happening
I do in fact have tape that glows under blacklight for my foil, it's never come up in a fencing scenario but you never know
@@lucyicanel Very cool, would love to see that implemented!
Fantastic watch. I really enjoyed that
2:31 Woahh, I'm getting more into fencing because of 2521, but I didnt expect to see it in her, that's really cool!
Great explanations... love the vids..!
I love you slicer
I just discovered this chaĆnel, and I love it! I was quite deeply into sabre when it wasn't even electrified yet - in the seventies - and I had a chance to represent my country on junior levels of this... an olde love-story, you see. Things have developed a lot since then - some I like, some I don't. My favourites in these days are Aaron Szilagyi, Derswitz, Curatoli and Basadze. The Koreans are great of course, but their style is just not my cup of tea, I'm sorry. With all the best (yeah, and why not to meet on the piste one day, as I said an hour earlier elsewhere on your chaĆnel đ) With regards; R.
I heard they used red white and green as the colours for the lights because the inventor of the box was italian so worked in the colours of the italian flag.
Would love to see if you want to take a look at hema!
If you want a sport that tries to simulate a real sword sight, the closest thing is HEMA (historical European martial arts)
And then it's a very narrow slice of sword combat. The only thing we can effectively simulate is unarmed dueling.
Great video. About right of way, being 'hard to explain' and with so many bad call from referees, we should just stop using it. Foil and sabre should be like epee in this case.
Do they still use switches in their swords so they can register hits without having to actually hit their opponent?
We armorers look for those in epees....they don't really work for foil or sabre.
good to know I am on the fringes of the sport.
Yeah the "purists" are always annoying. Like ... Sports aren't meant to simulate real world fights. Real world fights are brutal and unfair and people get seriously injured and die. No matter how badly you want to watch people actually chop at each other with real sharp swords, it's not gonna happen. Sorry dude.
Also, the HEMA people with superiority complexes are really frustrating. "Olympic sport fencing rules are so complicated. They make it so it's not like a real fight." Then you look at HEMA rulesets where it's like 4 points for hitting the head, 3 for hitting the torso, 1 for hitting the arms, etc etc, in what universe is that any more realistic or less complicated???
Any time you introduce rules to something to make it a fair sport where people don't die, you've made it "not like a real fight" no matter what you do. Impossible to avoid.
tbf Ive found hema people to be way less like that these days. They've largely kind of gone full circle and realised the rules to any game are inherently arbitrary and that multiple ways to attempt to achieve the same subjective thing (eg rules about double hits/afterblows and so on) are equally valid.
The sport fencers with superiority complex are also annoying lol This goes to both sides, my friend. There will always be the person who thinks what they are doing is the best version of what they do.
I practiced sport fencing for many years, thatâs the way I started, and today I practice HEMA. I LOVE both disciplines, but I generally tend to go more towards the historical point of view of fencing.
To give you some examples of why I say this, when I moved to the US I couldnât find any HEMA club, so I opted to join a sport fencing one again and found myself in the uncomfortable situation of a coach rejecting me because of my HEMA protective gear, saying I was one of âthose historical guysâ and that he didnât want any of my âdumb methodsâ in his class. That I should come back when I learn what âreal fencingâ is. I briefly explained to him that I practiced epee for about 8 years and foil for one and went to the National Olympics in Mexico and that I perfectly know how SPORT fencing works. He tried to apologise, but I decided to leave anyway.
I also had a similar story with HEMA, having one instructor tell me that I shouldnât do any of what I learned in sport fencing since it doesnât have any martial value. With him I just ignored his comment and now I mainly do smallsword, which is the most closely related weapon to the modern epee and foil, I mean⊠they were developed from it to put it in very general terms, and Iâve had a few HEMAist praise me for my good skill and martial thinking. Even though I tell them I donât believe Iâm that good.
@@CourtDuellist I'm sorry you had those experiences. There are definitely a lot of assholes in sport fencing and I'm disappointed but not surprised.
In general, if people are having fun, staying active, bettering themselves, and being respectful I don't see a reason to yuck someone else's yum.
sick stuff!
Awesome video
What about the "Hema better because sword" argument?
Better for what ?
Weapons ? Yea HEMA weapons are cooler
Techniques that you can use ? Yea HEMA is cooler
But the rest ? It really depends on personal flavor
From my understanding fencing doesnt try to be realistic, thats HEMA. It tries to be a fun sport. Personally I want to do HEMA because its the actual historical thing but fencing is a spory, you play it for fun.
Not reallyâŠ. Most hema is as much a sport, but with heavier blades and a slightly different rule set. Thereâs more focus on blade alignment and different weapons, obviously, do different things.
But the goal is HEMA was always to simulate live armed combat. Competition is one thing, there are rules to keep people safe since they are more aggressive in competition, but that's just a training tool to make you better through cross training and pressure, not the end goal of HEMA.
Oh yeah
how can we best market fencing to get really big audiences coz in low developed countries like mine Uganda, it's hard to market this, even the government bodies seem to be blind about it and it hurts coz we don't go get the necessary funds to push the sport further, so many good talents are dying because fencing is still in shadows especially in Africa. tag fie to get teams to rethink this
Decendents of the legends in a world that doesnât value honor.
Paint our blades Hi-Vis-construction yellow/orange, so the everyday person can see it? It may look ugly, but I'll do anything to have spectators enjoy the show more.
Edit: Does anyone know if we have the technology to have hi-vis paint AND still be conductive? Or is this physically not possible?
The cost wou'd be prohibitive, if possible.
Making the blade more visible to the players would change the dynamics of the game. Could be interesting. Making the blade more visible to the video audience but not the players could be done with a light coat of retro reflective paint. Then a light next to the camera reflects back to the camera. Like the Jedi light sabre works. The paint wouldn't cover the whole blade so the electric would still work.
4:44 such an insult to HEMA. Historical martial fencing is growing quicker than ever, and in a few decades will be larger than olympic fencing for the simple reason that people like sword fighting, not electric tag with stiff wires.
How is this an insult to HEMA? HEMA is great, but it's a fact that FIE fencing is a much bigger sport worldwide. There are many more clubs, facilities, fencers, coaches than there are in HEMA. There is nothing insulting about this, maybe HEMA will grow but for now it is still in its infancy.
â@@SlicerSabreTo say that it is in the fringe of the sport and that its a small community, thats what I don't like. As if there where no international competitions like Combatcon or Sword Fish. Not to mention the companies that manufacture thousands of practice swords per month like regenei or purple heart armory. Also the video you put in that section is not representative of martial fencing, and I'm speaking as a practitioner of british, 18th century, military saber and historical foil of the 18th and 17th century. At least put a sparring bout between Richard Marsden and Lee Smith using polish saber. Thats a great representation of historical fencing.
@@dasmilyshelf7500 Fine then, I'll concede to the matter of HEMA being smaller than olympic fencing. But its not a fringe, its an international comunity with clubs in almost every country and has a the finacial capacity to fuel companies that only sell HEMA products. And yes, seeing as its a small community in comparison to olympic fencing, its insulting to see it represented in such a poor way.
Would you like your style of fencing to be portrayed poorly by HEMA practitioners?
@@dasmilyshelf7500 even that is an unfair assesment of parkour! parkour is infinatly more well known then HEMA (if solely by the number of videos of people who fail to do it in a spectacular fashion)
The wires aren't stiff and HEMA is stupid expensive for a sport with no scoring system
this sport is the epitome of corruption of an art.
It's simple: FENCING.. IS.. NOT.. SWORD FIGHTING!!
If you want a closer-to-realistic sword fight, check out HEMA or ACL.
There is nothing in the world which Nature, wise mistress and benign mother of the universe, with greater genius, and more diligent regard, provides Man for the conservation of his self (of which, more so than any other noble creature, he shows himself very dear of its safety), than the singular privilege of the hand, with which not only does he go procuring all things necessary for the sustenance of his life, but arming himself yet with the sword, noblest instrument of all, he protects and defends himself against any assault whatsoever of inimical force; following nonetheless the strict rule of true valor, and of the art of fencing.
The aim of fencing is the defense of self, from whence it derives its name; because âto fenceâ does not mean other than defending oneself, hence it is that âprotectionâ and âdefenseâ are words of the same meaning
Thence it is also seen that defense is the principal action in fencing, and that no one must proceed to offense, if not by way of legitimate defense.
-Ridolfo Capo Ferro
Sorry, mate. Fencing is sword fighting, to defend oneself effectively against violence in a sword fight. The misunderstanding of the word is the reason why people who practice actual swordsmanship around the world like Kenjutsu, FMA or HEMA avoid using that word when it infact represented sword fighting in general
I'd claim that a skilled epee sports fencer would do very well with the kind of late 19th century duelling swords that their equipment closely resembles. You always see a lot of HEMA people talking with a very arrogant attitude online, but when you actually watch their competitions live, they have equally short exchanges and seem to get mutual kills very frequently.
i understand the sport perfectly well. Which is why i can't watch it. after reading the three musketeers, and lots of other book lke the count of monte christo. this "sport" is nothing compared to what it used to be, so i cannot watch it. i understand taht some people enjoiy it. i cannot
Many people read 'fiction'. Dumas wrote stories. I expect he would be puzzled to think anyone would be put off sport because of a book he wrote.
You canât read fiction and think you know what fencing is. Hema is closer to ârealâ fencing, but itâs still a sport.
because it IS not a real fight and has nothing compere with the real sword's/sabre/any other weapon fighting
yeah, except distance, tempo, line control, remise possibility. imo it is a best training for real cold weapon fighting possible.
@@moXnoX1 no, distance, line control, remise possibility and especially the tempo is far more different then in the real cold weapon fighing. Go to HEMA club -there you can realise how far more different the olimpic fencing is compere to the real weapon fighting.
@@Porzuc_Ateizm been to hema clubs man, its almost same. also when A level olimpic fencers go to hema club - interesting things happen)
@@moXnoX1 the difference is in almost everything. Olimpic fencing is just the game and lots of suicide actions is happening there-there is no place for that in hema. Most of olimpic fencers would be dead in the hema clubs if the weapons would be sharp and they can't stand that fight. Olimpic fencing is just the pitty game compere to the real weapons fighting.
@@Porzuc_Ateizm bullshit. No suicidal things are trained, on the contrary. Doubles happen everywhere where opponents are nearly equal. I saw a case when the top veteran foil fencer went to try hema in one of the best clubs and he managed to keep up and even beat some of top 10 hemarating athlets in hema sabre. After taking just one lesson and using just one attack and defence.
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