Scat Pack and 1320 Club holla! Seems like the car runs smoother with the cat back on? Great footage Chris! I enjoyed every minute of the racing, thanks for taking us along again. Can't wait for more adventures from you.
It definitely ran smoother with the catback on, besides the fact everything isn't vibrating lol. Car just seems more wild though without it and I kind of like it, but I'm going to do something for sure about the midpipes, at the very least a pair of turndowns. Thanks for watching!
3550 is impressive. I intended on running the cat back off my car as well. While I was tuning, the tuner said it was causing false knock. I wonder if that was part of the issue. I’m looking into getting some turndowns a little further back now possibly with some mufflers added. Will still be lighter than the full catback being there and hopefully avoid any issues.
Interesting you say that about the false knock. I never thought about that and someone else just commented yesterday about the exhaust possibly causing issues with the knock sensor. I'll be honest, I don't really know all that much about all these sensors and tuning, but I started doing a little research on it and it does make sense. Seems like I have no choice but to start data logging now, just have to figure out how and what I need to do it where it won't void my powertrain warranty that's still intact.
Just saw your video today. I was apart of the crew working on the blue redeye widebody #815 from day 2 run 9. Cool to see you had video of the last run there
Nice, that was a good race. Definitely easier at the light being the slower car but a lot harder at the finish line trying to work the stripe while the car next to you is coming at you fast and then blowing right past you lol. I just wish I had my usual hood cam going that I normally put on during bracket races to catch what happens at the finish line better.
@@Scavenger1320 yeah that would be a cool view to see. Was a great race for sure, sucks we kept fighting traction on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift or it would’ve been a photo finish.
Thanks! I'd love to do a drag week, but the timing and location won't allow me to do it. I still plan on going up to Milan though for the Modern Street Hemi Shootout race the weekend of the Woodward Dream Cruise. Plus I need to figure out the drag classes in all those drag week events, seems the ones I would fit into all specifically require the luxury of interior trim, and well, you know lol.
Congrats sir. Slowest car in the category, biggest time gap between cars, and you did it with the crummy shifts and all. I was wondering if you kept the T/A-insulated intake on your car. Great job again.
Thanks! I still have the T/A intake and it’s holding up. The heat wrap on the main air box has come off since it didn’t have a flat surface but the insulation is still holding strong on the parts that matter, specifically the hood duct.
I was worried too, especially after seeing the dragracer tv footage. I definitely need to be more careful, these hoosiers aren't meant for quick maneuvers.
@@samuelrodri07 awesome. I plan on being there both Friday and Saturday of the race and will be staying at the track so i should be easy to find out there
Watching on big screen TV now too. Your setup inspired me to get a drag pack on my hellcat redeye. Finished the rear over the weekend and my front skinnys come in 2 days.
@@artillerybuff2000 well, technically there was only the one plum crazy one that spun at the line and didn’t get back into it, but a win is a win lol. Still a bit of a sore subject though honestly. I just keep thinking if my former dealer didn’t go back on their “no adm” policy I’d of had my own at this event and I have absolutely no doubt I’d of had the quickest 170 there.
@Scavenger1320 I would have one as well if the allocations weren't so stupid and the markups so insane. Hey, they saved me a ton of money, and I do love my 1320 so it's all good...
I wonder how much the catback weighs? I think you may need to add extensions after the cat, otherwise you're losing scavenging effect, therefore power (or maybe im just thinking of catless mids 🤔).Enjoy the content! How many miles is on the car now?
I think that is more with the catless mids. I still definitely need to add some turndowns at least, but looks like I may be getting some custom catless mids to try first. Removing the catback definitely made me quicker from a launch, but there may be something to it when it comes to the top end. Not sure why else my trap speed slowed down so much on a run that reset every other personal best metric. Car is just barely over 11K miles on it now. Oh, and I haven't weighed up the catback yet, I'll get that when I start editing that vid, but I've been told from a reliable source that it weighs about 60 pounds.
different track in a different state, plus this was technically a private event so I knew it wasn't going to be an issue for this race. That said, I do already have a harness bar sitting and waiting to be installed and I have some ideas on making a good brace for the seat to connect to it. I'll definitely have that all installed before my next race in March.
@@Scavenger1320 oh awesome, keep safe man. i just thought they would have the same rules when they inspected the car a the new track. oh and 1 more question, idk if it gives away your secrets, but do you ever try to load the car before launch? if so what rpm do you tend to launch at. i plan on doing some practice in my car before the season starts. ive only raced like twice and my lights suck, plus lots of wheel spin. at both idle and loaded just before the car jumps with the brake.
@@87swoo44 been the same rules for a while now and I’ve had this seat without a rear brace for almost 3 years now and at a bunch of different tracks and no one has said anything before, including even the one that finally did as that was my third year there. Some tracks are definitely more strict than others. Most just see a slow 11 second modern car with no power adders and don’t get that technical. I don’t keep secrets on this channel, which I think has upset one or two people as I’ve helped better the competition making wins harder to come by for them lol. This vid basically shows both my styles of launch. When I’m chasing times I just stage as shallow as possible and launch off idle. Reaction times suck that way but it doesn’t matter. In competition though where it does, I’ll prestage and bring the rpm’s up to about 22-2300 and ease off the brake to bump into getting staged and I’ll let it roll in a bit past the stage light coming on but not all the way deep, then as soon as those 3 ambers light up I stab the throttle the rest of the way and go. You can easily hear it a lot better now after I pulled my catback off. That’s also when the race is using a pro tree. I don’t really have a procedure down yet for a full tree since most of the races I do are pro tree.
@Scavenger1320 oh i see. Any of the tracks around here run baracket classes. Or no prep flashlight stuff and im not into that. I hear ya on the fact they see its modern and just check boxes. When i did go they said its got state inspection, thats good enough for us. Even though you can back yard mechanic a sticker and nothing got checked. I keep hoping some one will come up with a fix for launch control/trans brake set up so its less clunky and less complicated to run. Much appreciated. And now to go practice loading th up the car so i can do it by sound and feel.
Thanks and I hope it's not, but I'm getting that oil change done this weekend to check the magnetic plug and send in for an oil analysis. When I got back to the staging lanes I popped open the hood and got out and could hear the well defined tick loud and clear from the passenger side of the engine, but what was weird is then I started to go back into my car to grab my phone to record it, the tick just abruptly stopped and was completely gone. It kind of reminded me of the tick I just dealt with in my Ram from the broken exhaust manifold bolt, except that tick faded away, it didn't just instantaneously disappear like it did here.
@Scavenger1320 if the lifter is breaking down. Take the valve covers off and rotate the engine by hand. Sometimes you can see it. Wont compress the valve spring down on the bad lifter. Best to catch it now. We had to replace the engine on our 2012 srt 300. Killed a lifter . Spun a main bearing. Gave no codes. I would go over it really well. Check all i could possibly check. I hope you get it figured out. Great videos!
Did u ever look into getting a dif brace. I know it would ad weight, but for safety reasons, it's probably worth it in the end. I wasn't sure if u had one or not
I do not have one. I've thought about it but held off since there's a question of warranty and for a long time I was trying to keep my entire drivetrain as stock as possible. Plus being so much lighter should help not put as much stress on the drivetrain like those 8 second cars that seem to try and add weight to brag about how heavy they are lol. Still on the fence about it honestly, but maybe eventually.
hmm, someone else just commented about the exhaust possibly causing false knock too. Never thought about that but it makes sense. I definitely need to start data logging.
Congratulations on the win boss…driver beats the car this time Nice footage of the 170s. Nice to see them outside of a showroom 😂 What do you think of the rear only widebody ? Would you add rear flares to your car, or would that be too much weight? For additional weight reduction, would you start replacing parts with lighter metals, ie. Carbon fiber hood, fiberglass doors? Just interested in your journey as an N/A racer :) thanks!!
Funny thing about the rear only widebody is that for several years now, well before the 170 was even teased, I've been saying if I could of had a Demon, first thing I would have done is buy a set of regular body front fenders and put them on and only kept the widebody in the rear. I never liked the look of front skinnies on widebody cars. Now when it comes to my car, I have no desire to add a widebody rear. Besides the added weight it's just not necessary. My suspension is already factory tuned for the dragstrip to maximize weight transfer to help with traction and I can fit 305 width tires without any modifications so functionally, there's no need for wider. Besides, Dodge knows this too, there's a reason the Drag Pak only comes in a regular body. As for lighter parts, I would definitely love to get a set of Anderson Composites Carbon Fiber doors and trunk lid, but man are they pricey. I wouldn't do any other parts though like the roof. I like having it so that everything I've done so far, can still be undone easily and I can go back to stock anytime I want. Hood I have no interest in either honestly, the stock one is aluminum and already really light so going to a carbon fiber hood barely shaves any weight at all.
They've talked about different index classes before, personally I like the 11.50 over an 11.00. If it were 11.0 I'd of had to get a tune and do other performance upgrades since the only way my car would hit that is in near perfect or better weather. Once you get to the summer races it would be impossible to be competetive otherwise. As it is, I had the problem with 11.50 when I raced in Kansas. DA was around 4600 and the best my car would do was 11.7 that day. Somehow still made it to the semi-finals but gave my opponent a super easy win since he knew I couldn't run the number. Check out the Streetcar Takeover events though when they come to your area. They usually have an 11.0 index class.
"The slowest car in the category gets the win light" Well done Chris. I gues you don't need one of those whinny spinny things. I'd really like to know what is causing the bad shifts. Have you done any data logging yet?
@@Scavenger1320 ported mani, 90mm throttle body, JLT intake, long tube headers, cat delete, I would do the ripp coil pack, ngk spark plugs and e85 picks up a little bit more power so I would do hellcat fuel injectors that’s my list for bolt ons, I would add a dif brace just for safety as well,
@@Scavenger1320 with this set up I think u can get pretty low into the 10s been watching your channel for a while, your car preforms very well keep up the good work brother
@@Widebodycat717 I definitely want to do a ported manifold, if I can get one from @OMGITSMRMACK and I do want to test out some bigger throttle bodies. Not going to change my T/A intake, I like having a truly functional hood scoop too much. Cat delete dumps are pending. I might pick up some coil packs, but probably the Accel ones if only because they're yellow and will look nicer in my engine bay. I'm thinking about trying out the AFD Flex fuel kit, I've seen it work on some friend's scats. I probably won't do headers. Too big a hassle and money for little gain, plus that would need a tune for sure and I'm wanting to hold off on that for now. I know everyone says a diff brace is a must, but maybe I like playing with fire lol, but also being so much lighter than most challengers/chargers I feel it should put a lot less stress on the diff.
@@Scavenger1320 sounds like a very good set up, but I would definitely go for the tune mainly because of the trans tune I feel like that would do the biggest difference
Your weight reduction is not complete untill you make it a full carbon fiber body. I know it costs alot of money but you'll probably beat the Demon 170 so trust me it's worth it!
My car hasn't seen them in years lol. The actuators have been completely removed with the Z Auto Inactive Plugs installed for about 3 years now, so when I removed the catback I didn't even have to do anything with the active exhaust.
I am a scat pack owner. your videos are great!!! Thank you for all the information!!!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate that!
Scat Pack and 1320 Club holla! Seems like the car runs smoother with the cat back on? Great footage Chris! I enjoyed every minute of the racing, thanks for taking us along again. Can't wait for more adventures from you.
It definitely ran smoother with the catback on, besides the fact everything isn't vibrating lol. Car just seems more wild though without it and I kind of like it, but I'm going to do something for sure about the midpipes, at the very least a pair of turndowns. Thanks for watching!
Well done!! I enjoyed the video.
Thanks for watching!
3550 is impressive. I intended on running the cat back off my car as well. While I was tuning, the tuner said it was causing false knock. I wonder if that was part of the issue. I’m looking into getting some turndowns a little further back now possibly with some mufflers added. Will still be lighter than the full catback being there and hopefully avoid any issues.
Interesting you say that about the false knock. I never thought about that and someone else just commented yesterday about the exhaust possibly causing issues with the knock sensor. I'll be honest, I don't really know all that much about all these sensors and tuning, but I started doing a little research on it and it does make sense. Seems like I have no choice but to start data logging now, just have to figure out how and what I need to do it where it won't void my powertrain warranty that's still intact.
@@Scavenger1320 Yeah I was thinking it too, I had the catback off my SRT8 6.1 and lost a bunch of ET and MPH
Just saw your video today. I was apart of the crew working on the blue redeye widebody #815 from day 2 run 9. Cool to see you had video of the last run there
Nice, that was a good race. Definitely easier at the light being the slower car but a lot harder at the finish line trying to work the stripe while the car next to you is coming at you fast and then blowing right past you lol. I just wish I had my usual hood cam going that I normally put on during bracket races to catch what happens at the finish line better.
@@Scavenger1320 yeah that would be a cool view to see. Was a great race for sure, sucks we kept fighting traction on the 1-2 and 2-3 shift or it would’ve been a photo finish.
Great video. As a 392 owner you make us proud.
Thanks! I appreciate that!
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congrats on your P.B. Chris
thanks!
Congrats on your personal best ET. Have you ever thought about competing in hot rod drag week? I’ll be there and it’s coming back to Milan this year.
Thanks! I'd love to do a drag week, but the timing and location won't allow me to do it. I still plan on going up to Milan though for the Modern Street Hemi Shootout race the weekend of the Woodward Dream Cruise. Plus I need to figure out the drag classes in all those drag week events, seems the ones I would fit into all specifically require the luxury of interior trim, and well, you know lol.
Watching now!
Congrats sir. Slowest car in the category, biggest time gap between cars, and you did it with the crummy shifts and all.
I was wondering if you kept the T/A-insulated intake on your car. Great job again.
Thanks! I still have the T/A intake and it’s holding up. The heat wrap on the main air box has come off since it didn’t have a flat surface but the insulation is still holding strong on the parts that matter, specifically the hood duct.
Very nice Chris! You had me worried on that last run when you drifted left. Looking forward to your exhaust video...
I was worried too, especially after seeing the dragracer tv footage. I definitely need to be more careful, these hoosiers aren't meant for quick maneuvers.
@@Scavenger1320 Fastest bone stock Scat Pack in the world!
Borla and magnaflow have exhaust valves mounted but not connected
Hey bud hopefully I can meet you in Orlando!!!
P.S. I am the guy from the forums with the smoke show Challenger and the tiny battery! lol
@@samuelrodri07 awesome. I plan on being there both Friday and Saturday of the race and will be staying at the track so i should be easy to find out there
Watching on big screen TV now too. Your setup inspired me to get a drag pack on my hellcat redeye. Finished the rear over the weekend and my front skinnys come in 2 days.
Nice, that'll make a good bit of difference. Thanks for watching!
I wonder how those $200,000.00 (or however much they overpaid) Demon 170's liked getting spanked by a 40k dollar car? Too funny!!
@@artillerybuff2000 well, technically there was only the one plum crazy one that spun at the line and didn’t get back into it, but a win is a win lol. Still a bit of a sore subject though honestly. I just keep thinking if my former dealer didn’t go back on their “no adm” policy I’d of had my own at this event and I have absolutely no doubt I’d of had the quickest 170 there.
@Scavenger1320 I would have one as well if the allocations weren't so stupid and the markups so insane. Hey, they saved me a ton of money, and I do love my 1320 so it's all good...
I wonder how much the catback weighs? I think you may need to add extensions after the cat, otherwise you're losing scavenging effect, therefore power (or maybe im just thinking of catless mids 🤔).Enjoy the content! How many miles is on the car now?
I think that is more with the catless mids. I still definitely need to add some turndowns at least, but looks like I may be getting some custom catless mids to try first. Removing the catback definitely made me quicker from a launch, but there may be something to it when it comes to the top end. Not sure why else my trap speed slowed down so much on a run that reset every other personal best metric. Car is just barely over 11K miles on it now. Oh, and I haven't weighed up the catback yet, I'll get that when I start editing that vid, but I've been told from a reliable source that it weighs about 60 pounds.
@@Scavenger1320yea, that raw sound sounds good for sure. Totally understandable 💯
That smile on your face is awesome!
haha, thanks, I was definitely enjoying it. Now hopefully the tick that came and went was nothing serious and I can keep that smile lol.
i thought they told you, you needed some kinda bar in the car because the seat is meant to have one?
different track in a different state, plus this was technically a private event so I knew it wasn't going to be an issue for this race. That said, I do already have a harness bar sitting and waiting to be installed and I have some ideas on making a good brace for the seat to connect to it. I'll definitely have that all installed before my next race in March.
@@Scavenger1320 oh awesome, keep safe man. i just thought they would have the same rules when they inspected the car a the new track. oh and 1 more question, idk if it gives away your secrets, but do you ever try to load the car before launch? if so what rpm do you tend to launch at. i plan on doing some practice in my car before the season starts. ive only raced like twice and my lights suck, plus lots of wheel spin. at both idle and loaded just before the car jumps with the brake.
@@87swoo44 been the same rules for a while now and I’ve had this seat without a rear brace for almost 3 years now and at a bunch of different tracks and no one has said anything before, including even the one that finally did as that was my third year there. Some tracks are definitely more strict than others. Most just see a slow 11 second modern car with no power adders and don’t get that technical.
I don’t keep secrets on this channel, which I think has upset one or two people as I’ve helped better the competition making wins harder to come by for them lol. This vid basically shows both my styles of launch. When I’m chasing times I just stage as shallow as possible and launch off idle. Reaction times suck that way but it doesn’t matter. In competition though where it does, I’ll prestage and bring the rpm’s up to about 22-2300 and ease off the brake to bump into getting staged and I’ll let it roll in a bit past the stage light coming on but not all the way deep, then as soon as those 3 ambers light up I stab the throttle the rest of the way and go. You can easily hear it a lot better now after I pulled my catback off. That’s also when the race is using a pro tree. I don’t really have a procedure down yet for a full tree since most of the races I do are pro tree.
@Scavenger1320 oh i see. Any of the tracks around here run baracket classes. Or no prep flashlight stuff and im not into that. I hear ya on the fact they see its modern and just check boxes. When i did go they said its got state inspection, thats good enough for us. Even though you can back yard mechanic a sticker and nothing got checked. I keep hoping some one will come up with a fix for launch control/trans brake set up so its less clunky and less complicated to run. Much appreciated. And now to go practice loading th up the car so i can do it by sound and feel.
Congratulations on new pb. Sounds like a lifter going bad. Been there before.
Thanks and I hope it's not, but I'm getting that oil change done this weekend to check the magnetic plug and send in for an oil analysis. When I got back to the staging lanes I popped open the hood and got out and could hear the well defined tick loud and clear from the passenger side of the engine, but what was weird is then I started to go back into my car to grab my phone to record it, the tick just abruptly stopped and was completely gone. It kind of reminded me of the tick I just dealt with in my Ram from the broken exhaust manifold bolt, except that tick faded away, it didn't just instantaneously disappear like it did here.
@Scavenger1320 if the lifter is breaking down. Take the valve covers off and rotate the engine by hand. Sometimes you can see it. Wont compress the valve spring down on the bad lifter. Best to catch it now. We had to replace the engine on our 2012 srt 300. Killed a lifter . Spun a main bearing. Gave no codes. I would go over it really well. Check all i could possibly check. I hope you get it figured out. Great videos!
@@Scavenger1320could just be that cold weather making them tick louder before they warm up.
Did u ever look into getting a dif brace. I know it would ad weight, but for safety reasons, it's probably worth it in the end. I wasn't sure if u had one or not
I do not have one. I've thought about it but held off since there's a question of warranty and for a long time I was trying to keep my entire drivetrain as stock as possible. Plus being so much lighter should help not put as much stress on the drivetrain like those 8 second cars that seem to try and add weight to brag about how heavy they are lol. Still on the fence about it honestly, but maybe eventually.
Congrats on the PB man!
thanks!
If the sound gets too loud, the knock sensor is going to retard the timing
hmm, someone else just commented about the exhaust possibly causing false knock too. Never thought about that but it makes sense. I definitely need to start data logging.
Congratulations on the win boss…driver beats the car this time
Nice footage of the 170s. Nice to see them outside of a showroom 😂
What do you think of the rear only widebody ? Would you add rear flares to your car, or would that be too much weight?
For additional weight reduction, would you start replacing parts with lighter metals, ie. Carbon fiber hood, fiberglass doors? Just interested in your journey as an N/A racer :) thanks!!
Funny thing about the rear only widebody is that for several years now, well before the 170 was even teased, I've been saying if I could of had a Demon, first thing I would have done is buy a set of regular body front fenders and put them on and only kept the widebody in the rear. I never liked the look of front skinnies on widebody cars. Now when it comes to my car, I have no desire to add a widebody rear. Besides the added weight it's just not necessary. My suspension is already factory tuned for the dragstrip to maximize weight transfer to help with traction and I can fit 305 width tires without any modifications so functionally, there's no need for wider. Besides, Dodge knows this too, there's a reason the Drag Pak only comes in a regular body.
As for lighter parts, I would definitely love to get a set of Anderson Composites Carbon Fiber doors and trunk lid, but man are they pricey. I wouldn't do any other parts though like the roof. I like having it so that everything I've done so far, can still be undone easily and I can go back to stock anytime I want. Hood I have no interest in either honestly, the stock one is aluminum and already really light so going to a carbon fiber hood barely shaves any weight at all.
They might have the faster car but they cant drive them .bow to the bracket god chris
It would be nice if they had an 11.00 Index at these MSHS events.
They've talked about different index classes before, personally I like the 11.50 over an 11.00. If it were 11.0 I'd of had to get a tune and do other performance upgrades since the only way my car would hit that is in near perfect or better weather. Once you get to the summer races it would be impossible to be competetive otherwise. As it is, I had the problem with 11.50 when I raced in Kansas. DA was around 4600 and the best my car would do was 11.7 that day. Somehow still made it to the semi-finals but gave my opponent a super easy win since he knew I couldn't run the number.
Check out the Streetcar Takeover events though when they come to your area. They usually have an 11.0 index class.
Congratulations on your win and new PB! Well deserved and well earned!
thank you!
"The slowest car in the category gets the win light" Well done Chris. I gues you don't need one of those whinny spinny things. I'd really like to know what is causing the bad shifts. Have you done any data logging yet?
No data logging yet. I’m just going to have to get the TCM tuned, that’s really the only option.
Next time you should try run it without the hood and the trunk cover. I think it will make a huge difference.
That would hurt aerodynamically for only 30lbs at best savings, would probably go slower
Congrats! Gr8 video.
thanks!
Congrats! Bummed I couldn't make the event it looked like a good time.
and cold, don't forget cold lol. Actually that Saturday afternoon turned out really nice before the front moved in.
I would love to see this car full bolt on
Let me ask you this, what do you consider to be FBO?
@@Scavenger1320 ported mani, 90mm throttle body, JLT intake, long tube headers, cat delete, I would do the ripp coil pack, ngk spark plugs and e85 picks up a little bit more power so I would do hellcat fuel injectors that’s my list for bolt ons, I would add a dif brace just for safety as well,
@@Scavenger1320 with this set up I think u can get pretty low into the 10s
been watching your channel for a while, your car preforms very well keep up the good work brother
@@Widebodycat717 I definitely want to do a ported manifold, if I can get one from @OMGITSMRMACK and I do want to test out some bigger throttle bodies. Not going to change my T/A intake, I like having a truly functional hood scoop too much. Cat delete dumps are pending. I might pick up some coil packs, but probably the Accel ones if only because they're yellow and will look nicer in my engine bay. I'm thinking about trying out the AFD Flex fuel kit, I've seen it work on some friend's scats. I probably won't do headers. Too big a hassle and money for little gain, plus that would need a tune for sure and I'm wanting to hold off on that for now. I know everyone says a diff brace is a must, but maybe I like playing with fire lol, but also being so much lighter than most challengers/chargers I feel it should put a lot less stress on the diff.
@@Scavenger1320 sounds like a very good set up, but I would definitely go for the tune mainly because of the trans tune I feel like that would do the biggest difference
Very cool! Good job!
thanks!
Nice weight loss
Getting there. About to go the wrong way with the harness bar to brace my seat though lol
Your weight reduction is not complete untill you make it a full carbon fiber body.
I know it costs alot of money but you'll probably beat the Demon 170 so trust me it's worth it!
I wonder how much a carbon fiber challenger weighs
Is your car tuned?
Nope. PCM is still locked with the factory tune
Car is not seeing exhaust valves
My car hasn't seen them in years lol. The actuators have been completely removed with the Z Auto Inactive Plugs installed for about 3 years now, so when I removed the catback I didn't even have to do anything with the active exhaust.