Following Neil Kinnock's decision not to vote for Tony Benn in Labour's Deputy Leadership election in 1981, he clashed with Dennis Skinner in a Tribune meeting.
MP? What MP? Here's a man who had a Derbyshire mining seat with a 20,000 majority and managed to lose it to the Tories because he didn't give a stuff for his constituents.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze Mark Rowley CON 21,791. Dennis skinner LAB 16,492. Kevin Harper BREXIT. 4,151. All these Brexit lovers voted on false campaign policies
I am not a socialist,or even on the left,but i'd rather have Skinner with me in the trenches,than chancers and opportunists like Kinnock. Skinner is a sad loss to politics,and he (just like Arthur Scargill),was staunchly anti EU,and respect to him for that too.
@@georgejob7544 There is no such thing as a "red Tory". Parliament has always been a single party body. People like Skinner were allowed to exist because his presence gave the illusion of plurality. The plain fact is those that actually believed in representing the BRITISH working classes were gradually squeezed out over time from the Labour Party. By the time Skinner came on the scene they were long gone. That process went into overdrive after WW2. Not even Skinner was old Labour, if by that we mean traditional Labour. What Skinner was opposed to was people so without principle, where power and money were the only considerations, that even he could not easily accept what was going on. Make no mistake the greatest destructive force of the UK as a nation is the Labour Party. Without it the working classes wouldn't have been so easy to fracture and fragment. Skinner in his anti EU stance had some integrity, it still gave a nod to those traditional Labour roots, but he was a Labour MP and as such complicit in that one party state set up whether he liked to think of it that way or not
@@Telcontar1962 "Not even Skinner was old Labour, if by that we mean traditional Labour." Skinner was somewhere between the old left of the party and the new left - but he absolutely was within Labour party traditions, or 'old labour'. A miner, sponsored into parliament by the NUM. He was a firm supporter of clause IV when most of the MPs weren't. You also make a mistake when you state that "Without [the Labour party] the working classes wouldn't have been so easy to fracture and fragment." it is absolutely true that the centre-left parties of the second international have held back and disciplined working class aspirations all over the western world. However, their existence is literally inevitable. If the party didn't exist, a different but very similar party would have replaced it because of the objective conditions in which the party exists. Whether that party was a socialist party or a communist party, the end results would have been the same. Don't forget that Marx towards the end of his life looked favourably upon a potential British working class political party, and that Engels endorsed the formation of the ILP. In summary, it isn't the existence of the party itself that is a problem, but the way that the party has interacted with the working class. An interaction means that the party itself was subject to change as a result of this interaction, meaning that the state of the labour party is to some extent up to us. It is our task to change it into the party that it ought to be.
@@jbmuggins8815I quite appreciated the thoughtful response. I won't budge from my assessment of.the Labour Party though. You use the fatal phrase "inevitable". There is mothing inevitable about political parties at all. But to grasp that one needs to go right back to the English civil war. Yes there are always political factions, but somehow we managed to do without political parties in the modern sense right up to 1688. A gap of 470 years between Parliaments creation and the modern day political party. That suggests that far from.being inevitable, they are an artificial manufactured creation with a purpose for their invention. And these parties only took.their lead from the Cabal created in 1667-73 by none other than Charles II to maintain his treasonous rule over an equally treasonous Parliament. This is getting right down to the crux of the legitimacy of Parliamentary rule in the modern era or lack thereof. In my view the inescapable conclusion regarding Parliament is this...... 1. Its is designed to produce representatives (MPs) SOLELY to ADVISE AND MANAGE THE INTERESTS of the sovereign power in the land through its national assembly. 2. The election of those representatives is designed to be by the constituents from the constituency they reside and NOTHING suggesting a political party is required to mediate that relationship. 3. The soveriegn power in the land whether willingly acknowledged or not is the BRITISH people. No one else. Not people imported by Parliament to shore up its illegal rule, just its iwn people and who they decide should be invited to join their membership. The Labour Party as it came to be was a response to illegal criminal rule by a Parliament, that rather than being a champion of democracy was wholly and unalterable opposed to it. It maintains that staunch opposition tonthis very day. We saw this most plainly illustrated in 2016 after the EU referendum result. As the desire for democracy (not an increase of it but the concept itself, because we still have no democratic government in this country, and the chance it will achirve it recedes with ebery new invader) increased particilarly throughout the 19th Century so Parliament battled mightily to defeat it. There was a seri4s of delaying tactics from the Reform Act of 1832 onwards but by the end of the century it had to accept that some sort of phoney representative body was required. Parlianent is wonderfully adept at appearing to give way while concocting another stratagem to ensure the British people never gain control of their affairs or their interests The Labour Party was a superb vehicle fir this. Just as it achieved what was seen to be a party for the British working classes in 1945 so Parliament was laying the groundwork to keep them at vay through the two pronged attack of invasion and surreptitious surender if the country to the EU. The Labour Party were instrumental in the former and grew to be the most vocal supporter of the latter. It should be noted that while there were always protestations from within the Labour Party than they always proclaimed they strove to be a unifying orgabisation of British Working class interests it was always the party who made sure the working class were continually sidelined abd marginalised. They really saw them as storm troopers for their own narrow political party interests to achieve power for powers sake. We can see their how their work blossoms. They now show how much they HATE (and thats not too strong a word) not just British working class people but the country itself. Yet here they are still (supposedly if you can believe the integrity of elections any longer) the second largest party in a country in which no party really has a genuine constituency at all. Its remarkable, but it was never inevitable .
There's not a lot of money in being an MP. Being an MEP, however... that's a gravy train. You don't want your MPs paid too well, but it doesn't do to pay them too little either: if they're on pennies you'll only get either millionaires who don't need the money (Rishi Sunak reportedly doesn't even draw his wage) or you'll get MPs quietly sponsored/bankrolled in the background by groups with their own interests to promote.
@@patsyparisi2620 The why did the Labour movement grow to have the largest party membership under Corbyn, and why has it shrunk under Starmer? I wonder whether all the expulsions of an insecure, divisive leader might have something to do with it?
I always felt that Dennis was always one step away from beating the shit out of somebody on the commons floor, he probably could to even as an old man that dudes shoulders are wide as fuck lol
I agree Tom . He has been an MP since 1970 and is standing again well into his 80s , But my fear is even with his track record he might lose his once safe seat to the Tories . I really hope his constituents remember his years of good service and what the Tories did .
Ironic Skinner should have made so much money from being an MP (spare me the stuff about being "down pit"). As for the nasty reference to Hobsbawm's name ...
@Ru22eLL So at tpday's prices, what 80,000 a year? Total 4 million? Must have financed a great lifestyle. Not as great as his mate scargill living off the miners pension fund but rich enough. Couldn't stop even at 85!!
@Lone Wolf Very unbecoming and you know it. Whatever you may think of Labour today, he served his constituents well. I think they'll live to regret that decision to unseat him.
@Lone Wolf Good riddance to a man whose only crime was fighting for the many against the few, for the people instead of the powerful? A man who knows the enemy of Bolsover is greed, not immigrants? What the fuck did Dennis ever do to you?
A straight talking Northerner. He stuck up for his class and did not waver to put his opinion. But like many on the left of the Labour party the leaders did not like his rhetoric , so in time he was pushed to the back door. That is where the Tories always held the ace despite the differences they keep it under wraps. Labour could not do that.
By his actions as leader, Kinnock proved he had never been a socialist at all. No one who could abandon so many principles and commitments in the space of five years could ever truly claim to have had those principles and commitments in the first place. And no genuine socialist would ever devote more of his time to driving socialists and socialism out of his own party than he ever used making a case for socialism and against Toryism. By the1992 election, all vestiges of socialism were removed from the party, as well as most socialists. With nothing left-wing left in place, nothing he campaigned on in '92 could even be called socialist. At most, it was "social democratic"-a term which meant nothing to anyone. No one would even have noticed any real difference between what Kinnock would have done if elected in '92 and what Major actually did do. A Labour leader is only supposed to attack capitalism and the right-not socialism and the left. Kinnock should have resigned after the '87 vote and let someone who hadn't given up on the dream of a different world take over.
@chanctonbury63 It tells me that the deck is always stacked against any party with humane, democratic, egalitarian values. BTW, I'm on the libertarian left-like Robert Owen and William Morris-so kindly don't call me a Trotskyite.
@chanctonbury63 No one to the right of Corbyn would have done better. All of the candidates who ever stood against Corbyn for the leadership-Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham in the first contest, Owen Smith the Pfizer lobbyist in the second-were bland, passionless failures as political figures. Owen Smith had to ask to speak at Corbyn's leadership rallies because nobody ever turned up at his own. How could somebody who gets no crowds when he stands for the leadership ever be a vote winner at a general election?
Dennis Skinner is the original I say what I like and I like what I say yorkshire/Derbyshire man and you cannot help but like and admire him as he has always spoken from his heart and from the pit
Dennis Skinner. Patriotic Old Labour. I have total respect as a grassroots Conservative member for Dennis Skinner. I hope Corbyn is defeated and Labour can once again be an effective opposition.
Corbyn is bringing Labour back to what Dennis Skinner believes in. Not this bullshit "everyone is now middle class" Blairite trite. Actual rhetoric and policies based on empowering the working class. You may not like the guy but him and Skinner have a lot in common
@@zkkrhfhska Farage is a tory too, and they've been dragging us closer to integrate with the EU since John major signed that bloody treaty! but hey the EU is a good thing for the working classes? the brexiteers know nowt
I have never voted Labour, I despise Dennis Skinner's anti royalist views but I truly admire the man for his steadfast consistency in what he believes in and has no difficulty articulating it to his audience; he is one of the great politicians of our time.
Loved Dennis Skinner, all his political life he never wavered, he didn’t seek popularity, just the truth, look at the flabby spined chancers we have now.
Chris Mullins Asked you to appear because he wanted to let people know What A Prat you reall are Kinnock...Right from the Horses Mouth..... Dennis We Love You ❤👏👏👏👏👏✊
King Roosta Bollocks to the EU? Hardly. I LOVE the EU! Here am I living and retired in a sun-kissed corner of the EU for the past ten years (temperature yesterday was a balmy 20 degrees) while you lot have to shiver in the cold and pissing rain. Of course, thanks to the EU, I get free medical treatment. Nah, you can keep your 'Little Englander' Brexit!
@@HypervoxelRBX Only a complete cockwomble would think Thatcherite policies were good when Blair was in power. Remember, it wasn't the labour party who removed her from office, it was the Tory party.
Part of the problem with Labour is that the membership paid homage and pilgrimage to the likes of Kinnock, Blair, Brown et al. There is a section of Labour Party that voted for Starmer. Until and unless Labour sheds this ugly side of its self, you will have the current problems. There are unions that perpetuate their existence rather than fight and negotiate hard for their members. You would expect them to be left wing but they hunt with the hound and pretend to run with the rabbit. So all of these need fixing to obtain the trust and respect of suffering people.
Respect to you Dennis, you’ve always been a true leftist and an absolute credit to the Socialist movement along with the Democratic Socialist Labour Party. Solidarity with you comrade ✊🏽
What a brill mp he has been for 49 years he voted to leave EU so did his constiuents and to end his career at 85. Love him or hate him i feel sad for him outspoken but true
I truly miss Dennis Skinner - I hope we can see him come out of retirement and rally in the future with George Galloway and Jeremy Corbyn just imagine the three of them at a rally
The old socialist leftwing back then is a different entity to what it changed into thesedays, where standing up for equal rights, workers rights, fair pay / working hours, the NHS, social security, free education & social housing were its core focus to help the working class. Where today it obsesses over identity politics, such as trans rights / correct pro nouns, critical race theory, Palestine & climate change, where net zero targets threaten the livelihoods of the working class with no guarantee that it would make any difference other than penalise the poor. It appears to be more of a middleclass Green Party endeavour than the working class socialism Dennis Skinner represented.
@@StanTorrent If the rightwing are gaining popularity (not so sure about that given Tory failure of the past 14 years) then the modern day faux socialists should come up with realistic policies that actually make a difference to working peoples lives & protect this countries interests.
@@jetpigeon8758 They weren't sick of him though. They were sick of Brexit (though I prefer the term "drunk"). Nobody actually votes for individual candidates in their constituencies with the exception of perhaps Brighton Pavilion.
@@PsilentMusicUK So hold on a minute, you say they were not sick of him, they were sick of Brexit. Why did they all vote for a pro Brexit MP then? People wanted Brexit, if you don't understand that then look up 2019 Election result, and you will see what I mean. Open your eyes.
@@jetpigeon8758 I meant that they were sick that Brexit was being dragged out, not that it was happening. Getting rid of Labour was clearly more important than the individual candidates. In my consistuency, the Tory candidate resigned like 2 weeks before the election and nobody even knew who his replacement was. They went Tory for the first time in about 70 years or something. It clearly wasn't about the candidates.
Reading the comments you'd think Brussels was a bigger enemy than our very own home grown ruling class and the pervasive inequality that blights our country. It's tragic that people see Brexit as a solution - when the answer is a Labour government.
Brexit is a symptom, not a solution. Show me a working class Labour Voter and I will likley show you someone who is happy to support globalisation on a grand scale. The sad truth of the matter, is that the working class in the Western World are suffering death from a thousand self inflicted cuts as the commodity that is labour, makes its way east to benefit the working class in Asia.
when labour politicians had worked for a living instead of being politics students or special advisors - dennis could have got on the comedians t v show with that routine.........
It does indeed, Skinner stood up for his people upmost respect there but he realised as did everyone else at the time the militant left was as much if not more about lifting the individuals with the microphone up to middle and upper class stature as it was lifting the working class out of poverty. Funny how were in the same mess now Socialism always every time devolves into tyranny always has always will There has never been one country in the history of the world that adopts proper socialist ideals into policy and didn’t end up in civil unrest and economic catastrophe, NOT ONE EVER
it's hilarious reading all the old comments on here about the EU. Now we've left, things are worse. Well done boys. You were warned and you wouldn't listen.
He reminds me of my dad like dad a man of principle he was told he was out of step with the labour party of blaire , so my dad told em get stuffed you class tratiors and walked out they went to see my dad and he told em get off my door step rjght now den is a man of principle we wont see his like again labour was going fine now the only ones they are interested in are champaigne socalists with university education and fat wallets
Dennis Skinner is an excellent speaker. He never blunders! Complete conviction in his demeanour.
One of the few MPs who I truly respect. In it for the right reasons - to represent the interests of ordinary people.
Yes Kinnock was brave during the 1985 Labour conference...
Yes Dennis skinner was brilliant heart of gold. Voice of a lion. Stood by the working class and never forget where he came from
MP? What MP? Here's a man who had a Derbyshire mining seat with a 20,000 majority and managed to lose it to the Tories because he didn't give a stuff for his constituents.
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze Mark Rowley CON 21,791. Dennis skinner LAB 16,492. Kevin Harper BREXIT. 4,151. All these Brexit lovers voted on false campaign policies
Man I miss this guy in parliament. A decent, hard-working man.
So do I
which one ?
@@uttaradit2 decent and hard-working only describes Skinner.
@@uttaradit2 Skinner obviously. Kinnock doesn't know what work means.
This Guy helped my late Dad, sorting the Tax man out and when they was closing down a TA Centre down.
And they celebrated in Bolsover when he lost
@@alanberkeley7282 who celebrated?
@@lauramartin5579 even the tory who took his seat from him called for a statue of dennis skinner to be built, literally no-one celebrated
@@alanberkeley7282 but they didnt
@@alanberkeley7282 that was because of brexshit.
Despite what you may have heard, the last person to enter Parliament with honourable intentions was actually Dennis Skinner.
Or Keir Starmer?
@@AsadAli-jc5tg god no
@@bt3743 ☺️
@@AsadAli-jc5tg serial liar, and betrayer of everything he claimed to stand for. If he had any respect for honesty or integrity, he would resign.
@@AsadAli-jc5tg they said parliament NOT the gates of hell.
Lord Kinnock says it all.
Neil Kinnock had an amazing ability to speak without saying anything .
"The Welsh Windbag" as George Galloway calls him lol.
He had the character of a block of wood. Compare Dennis' speech to his and you can see why Kinnock never won.
@@PresenceAwarenessSkinner won did he? What did he win exactly?
@@markbailey1970 What did Kinnock win ya Gimp? At least Dennis was a true Labour man unlike Kinnock and Starmer the Nazi. 🖕
I am not a socialist,or even on the left,but i'd rather have Skinner with me in the trenches,than chancers and opportunists like Kinnock. Skinner is a sad loss to politics,and he (just like Arthur Scargill),was staunchly anti EU,and respect to him for that too.
Me to
Anti EU but not a socialist, so a globalist imperialist capitalist or a fascist then.
Same here.
@@annenunney9907 I just pressed "Translate to English" hoping to see "Me too" but it didn't work; I'm still wondering where " Me" is going.
Her saw right through Kinnock. Its a shame the rest of the party didn't.
Fast Forward to today and Starmer is leader, maybe the Labour Party *is* itself the problem.
Kinnock was the harbinger of New Labour!
He foreshadowed Blair ! A Red Tory ....
@@georgejob7544 There is no such thing as a "red Tory". Parliament has always been a single party body. People like Skinner were allowed to exist because his presence gave the illusion of plurality.
The plain fact is those that actually believed in representing the BRITISH working classes were gradually squeezed out over time from the Labour Party. By the time Skinner came on the scene they were long gone.
That process went into overdrive after WW2. Not even Skinner was old Labour, if by that we mean traditional Labour.
What Skinner was opposed to was people so without principle, where power and money were the only considerations, that even he could not easily accept what was going on.
Make no mistake the greatest destructive force of the UK as a nation is the Labour Party. Without it the working classes wouldn't have been so easy to fracture and fragment.
Skinner in his anti EU stance had some integrity, it still gave a nod to those traditional Labour roots, but he was a Labour MP and as such complicit in that one party state set up whether he liked to think of it that way or not
@@Telcontar1962 "Not even Skinner was old Labour, if by that we mean traditional Labour."
Skinner was somewhere between the old left of the party and the new left - but he absolutely was within Labour party traditions, or 'old labour'. A miner, sponsored into parliament by the NUM. He was a firm supporter of clause IV when most of the MPs weren't.
You also make a mistake when you state that "Without [the Labour party] the working classes wouldn't have been so easy to fracture and fragment." it is absolutely true that the centre-left parties of the second international have held back and disciplined working class aspirations all over the western world. However, their existence is literally inevitable. If the party didn't exist, a different but very similar party would have replaced it because of the objective conditions in which the party exists. Whether that party was a socialist party or a communist party, the end results would have been the same.
Don't forget that Marx towards the end of his life looked favourably upon a potential British working class political party, and that Engels endorsed the formation of the ILP. In summary, it isn't the existence of the party itself that is a problem, but the way that the party has interacted with the working class. An interaction means that the party itself was subject to change as a result of this interaction, meaning that the state of the labour party is to some extent up to us. It is our task to change it into the party that it ought to be.
@@jbmuggins8815I quite appreciated the thoughtful response.
I won't budge from my assessment of.the Labour Party though.
You use the fatal phrase "inevitable". There is mothing inevitable about political parties at all. But to grasp that one needs to go right back to the English civil war.
Yes there are always political factions, but somehow we managed to do without political parties in the modern sense right up to 1688. A gap of 470 years between Parliaments creation and the modern day political party.
That suggests that far from.being inevitable, they are an artificial manufactured creation with a purpose for their invention.
And these parties only took.their lead from the Cabal created in 1667-73 by none other than Charles II to maintain his treasonous rule over an equally treasonous Parliament.
This is getting right down to the crux of the legitimacy of Parliamentary rule in the modern era or lack thereof.
In my view the inescapable conclusion regarding Parliament is this......
1. Its is designed to produce representatives (MPs) SOLELY to ADVISE AND MANAGE THE INTERESTS of the sovereign power in the land through its national assembly.
2. The election of those representatives is designed to be by the constituents from the constituency they reside and NOTHING suggesting a political party is required to mediate that relationship.
3. The soveriegn power in the land whether willingly acknowledged or not is the BRITISH people. No one else. Not people imported by Parliament to shore up its illegal rule, just its iwn people and who they decide should be invited to join their membership.
The Labour Party as it came to be was a response to illegal criminal rule by a Parliament, that rather than being a champion of democracy was wholly and unalterable opposed to it.
It maintains that staunch opposition tonthis very day. We saw this most plainly illustrated in 2016 after the EU referendum result.
As the desire for democracy (not an increase of it but the concept itself, because we still have no democratic government in this country, and the chance it will achirve it recedes with ebery new invader) increased particilarly throughout the 19th Century so Parliament battled mightily to defeat it.
There was a seri4s of delaying tactics from the Reform Act of 1832 onwards but by the end of the century it had to accept that some sort of phoney representative body was required.
Parlianent is wonderfully adept at appearing to give way while concocting another stratagem to ensure the British people never gain control of their affairs or their interests
The Labour Party was a superb vehicle fir this. Just as it achieved what was seen to be a party for the British working classes in 1945 so Parliament was laying the groundwork to keep them at vay through the two pronged attack of invasion and surreptitious surender if the country to the EU.
The Labour Party were instrumental in the former and grew to be the most vocal supporter of the latter.
It should be noted that while there were always protestations from within the Labour Party than they always proclaimed they strove to be a unifying orgabisation of British Working class interests it was always the party who made sure the working class were continually sidelined abd marginalised.
They really saw them as storm troopers for their own narrow political party interests to achieve power for powers sake.
We can see their how their work blossoms. They now show how much they HATE (and thats not too strong a word) not just British working class people but the country itself. Yet here they are still (supposedly if you can believe the integrity of elections any longer) the second largest party in a country in which no party really has a genuine constituency at all.
Its remarkable, but it was never inevitable .
3:12 "£14,000 a year!" Their wages sky-rocketed to another galaxy! While food bank usage sky-rocketed for the poor. Including the working poor.
There's not a lot of money in being an MP. Being an MEP, however... that's a gravy train. You don't want your MPs paid too well, but it doesn't do to pay them too little either: if they're on pennies you'll only get either millionaires who don't need the money (Rishi Sunak reportedly doesn't even draw his wage) or you'll get MPs quietly sponsored/bankrolled in the background by groups with their own interests to promote.
What a charmer! Seemed like all that was from the top of his head rather than a written speech.
Oh Dennis, you're sorely missed during bozo's circus.
Lol, what a joke.
The people of Bolsover betrayed him. I feel contempt for the old people in that constituency who voted tory. Disgusting
I hear you. It ws corbyn they couldn't stomach. The way Labour is now I'm glad Dennis is out of it.
@@patsyparisi2620 The why did the Labour movement grow to have the largest party membership under Corbyn, and why has it shrunk under Starmer? I wonder whether all the expulsions of an insecure, divisive leader might have something to do with it?
Look at Skinner's face. He looked perfectly capable of taking a human life during that speech.
I always felt that Dennis was always one step away from beating the shit out of somebody on the commons floor, he probably could to even as an old man that dudes shoulders are wide as fuck lol
Dennis is one of the finest MPs we have ever had.
@@MrGoneTroppo Boris voted for the Iraq war 4 times, but hey, I guess you agreed with that use of violence because he's on your side? :)
I agree Tom . He has been an MP since 1970 and is standing again well into his 80s , But my fear is even with his track record he might lose his once safe seat to the Tories . I really hope his constituents remember his years of good service and what the Tories did .
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Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
I am so sorry for your loss, with your new absolute load of shite MP rather than this hero. @@scooby1992
respect to Denise a hard working true mp, a true role model
He was a douche.
@@seanpearce5809 hi sean whats a douche, i dont under stand
@@daveberry9922 as in "douche bag"
@@seanpearce5809 but whats a duche
The only Labour MP I am sad lost his seat. Legend.
Anthhub
I'm in total agreement with you.
My best regards.
anthhub absolutely dreadful that he's gone, legend of the left
You right man he had principles and stuck to the and funny guy is it right he gave a lot of his salary to strikering miners in 85
Dodgy Dave!
Yeah he voted against EU from 1971 on wards before it was called that.
True voice of the working man.
Skinner is and always has been brilliant.
Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
@@bokurdgirl5280 Because his constituency voters are stupid.
A true Socialist our Dennis. Bless him
I think Dennis just made me smile...make'm have it Dennis lad!
Ironic Skinner should have made so much money from being an MP (spare me the stuff about being "down pit"). As for the nasty reference to Hobsbawm's name ...
@Ru22eLL So at tpday's prices, what 80,000 a year? Total 4 million? Must have financed a great lifestyle. Not as great as his mate scargill living off the miners pension fund but rich enough. Couldn't stop even at 85!!
@Ru22eLL Skinner has no idea what it's like to work on zero hours or a low salary. He's a wellpaid windbag
@Peter Grahame Skinner was a fraud. He enriched himself.
As of now, 2 days before the 2019 general election, Den is in danger of losing a seat that was once 80% Labour. Times change.
@Lone Wolf Very unbecoming and you know it. Whatever you may think of Labour today, he served his constituents well. I think they'll live to regret that decision to unseat him.
@Lone Wolf Good riddance to a man whose only crime was fighting for the many against the few, for the people instead of the powerful? A man who knows the enemy of Bolsover is greed, not immigrants? What the fuck did Dennis ever do to you?
What I can't grasp is why he behaves the way he does in that clip; that would turn anyone off.
@Lone Wolf I will never blame my fellow working people for the crimes of the rich. The issue is capitalism, not immigrants.
@@KennBurch Do you think the people of bolsover think highly of their right to abandon their homes and move to a different country in search of work?
A straight talking Northerner. He stuck up for his class and did not waver to put his opinion.
But like many on the left of the Labour party the leaders did not like his rhetoric , so in time he was pushed to the back door. That is where the Tories always held the ace despite the differences they keep it under wraps. Labour could not do that.
Dennis Skinner is a straight up, no nonsense bloke!!
LOL, Dennis you are an awesome man. You were and still are. 👏👏👏
One thing I must say about Dennis Skinner he made me laugh he was honest
Dennis Skinner. Proper Labour. Genuine man with a genuine fire in his belly.
My favourite politician ever...A man never corrupted, swayed or forgetting where he came from
By his actions as leader, Kinnock proved he had never been a socialist at all. No one who could abandon so many principles and commitments in the space of five years could ever truly claim to have had those principles and commitments in the first place. And no genuine socialist would ever devote more of his time to driving socialists and socialism out of his own party than he ever used making a case for socialism and against Toryism. By the1992 election, all vestiges of socialism were removed from the party, as well as most socialists. With nothing left-wing left in place, nothing he campaigned on in '92 could even be called socialist. At most, it was "social democratic"-a term which meant nothing to anyone. No one would even have noticed any real difference between what Kinnock would have done if elected in '92 and what Major actually did do. A Labour leader is only supposed to attack capitalism and the right-not socialism and the left. Kinnock should have resigned after the '87 vote and let someone who hadn't given up on the dream of a different world take over.
@chanctonbury63 It tells me that the deck is always stacked against any party with humane, democratic, egalitarian values. BTW, I'm on the libertarian left-like Robert Owen and William Morris-so kindly don't call me a Trotskyite.
@chanctonbury63 No one to the right of Corbyn would have done better. All of the candidates who ever stood against Corbyn for the leadership-Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Andy Burnham in the first contest, Owen Smith the Pfizer lobbyist in the second-were bland, passionless failures as political figures. Owen Smith had to ask to speak at Corbyn's leadership rallies because nobody ever turned up at his own. How could somebody who gets no crowds when he stands for the leadership ever be a vote winner at a general election?
Doubt he would have given the queen a £30,000,000 tax break thar Major did.
Dennis Skinner is the original I say what I like and I like what I say yorkshire/Derbyshire man and you cannot help but like and admire him as he has always spoken from his heart and from the pit
He spent 10 times longer on the green benches than he did down the pit and was glad to, it was like winning the football pools every week for him.
@Armaan Hussain foreign trips
Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
What a man
Dennis Skinner. Patriotic Old Labour. I have total respect as a grassroots Conservative member for Dennis Skinner. I hope Corbyn is defeated and Labour can once again be an effective opposition.
Corbyn is bringing Labour back to what Dennis Skinner believes in. Not this bullshit "everyone is now middle class" Blairite trite. Actual rhetoric and policies based on empowering the working class. You may not like the guy but him and Skinner have a lot in common
You do realise that Skinner is and always has been from the same wing of the Labour Party as Corbyn? Skinner is one of Corbyn's biggest supporters.
I was born in 52 Harold Wilson Michael foot George brown Barbara castle for God sakes what's happened to my Labour party
...and Hugh Gaitskell, Tony Benn and Peter Shore. They all opposed the EU.
@SEAN INGRAM Well the Trump collusion conspiracy theory was just that too.
Come election day Richard 111 millions not thousands will sadly prove what the Labour party as now become
@t CGJ Why would anyone miss Brown, though? All he did was support the Vietnam war, abandon his wife, and drink himself to death. What's to like?
Len McCluskey was elected General Secretary of Unite the Union, that's what's happened to my Labour Party.
I’d love to hear what he’s got to say about the LABOUR PARTY TODAY 2019, they’ve stabbed the working man in the BACK.
I was watching this one which I found interesting czcams.com/video/OYO8Dx1Lmi8/video.html
You gonna vote for the Tories then? Farage? They will stab you in the front
He's got nothing to say because he's supporting it all by continuing as a labour mp
He’s literally best friends with Corbyn...
@@zkkrhfhska Farage is a tory too, and they've been dragging us closer to integrate with the EU since John major signed that bloody treaty! but hey the EU is a good thing for the working classes? the brexiteers know nowt
Dennis never said a truer word about the gravy train.
Kinnock was the veer to the right.
I am no socialist, left winger nor tory. Great respect for Skinner and Benn.
They broke the mould after Mr Skinner.
Thank god
czcams.com/video/4DGiZm8uuAI/video.html
I have never voted Labour, I despise Dennis Skinner's anti royalist views but I truly admire the man for his steadfast consistency in what he believes in and has no difficulty articulating it to his audience; he is one of the great politicians of our time.
What is the point of the Monarchy ?
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Monarchists are worse than capitalists
Dennis Skinner. Truly the GOAT.
Loved Dennis Skinner, all his political life he never wavered, he didn’t seek popularity, just the truth, look at the flabby spined chancers we have now.
Dennis Skinner and Dodgy Dave... that was brilliant.😂
😂
The Emily Matlis one was my favourite
Fantastic! Dennis is a diamond geezer and a real hero who never wavered from his principles
who gives a fuck were they come from as long as they're in the union...
@@Redman6899 I rather think that it's you and your ilk that hate THEM!
Multi millionaires kinnocks...supposedly representing the working class ....
@@kincaidwolf5184 who aint a labour millionaire mp?
Public money
He even ran the european union for a while. A true tyrant and enemy of democracy.
@@kincaidwolf5184 One has been a public figure for nearly 40 years, the middle one is worth over 100 million, Ed was born rich.
Chris Mullins Asked you to appear because he wanted to let people know What A Prat you reall are Kinnock...Right from the Horses Mouth..... Dennis We Love You ❤👏👏👏👏👏✊
Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
So sad that politicians dont stand up and tell it as it really is, without fear of upsetting some benefactor. Dennis was one of the best.
A Yorkshireman vs a Welshman. Epic.
Dennis Skinner on the money, and as he says, BOLLOCKS THE EU.
Exactly
@@LeedsUnitedJohn I'm worried about the election; they'll say they'll lose his seat and god knows I don't want that to happen
The BVETube Team I don’t think he will.
King Roosta Bollocks to the EU? Hardly. I LOVE the EU! Here am I living and retired in a sun-kissed corner of the EU for the past ten years (temperature yesterday was a balmy 20 degrees) while you lot have to shiver in the cold and pissing rain. Of course, thanks to the EU, I get free medical treatment. Nah, you can keep your 'Little Englander' Brexit!
@@clearlake3492 Enjoy it whilst it lasts.
If only this man would have become leader of the country
There's only one Dennis Skinner, keep it left..
Yup us Yorkshire folk need subtitles for sure lol
Need more like him.
When Labour were in power from 97 Skinner just sat in his chair and never said a word against Blair or Brown... he's past it now...
Which showed he had sense, he knew New Labour were a better option than Thatcherite Tories,
Mr Smith only idiotic communists would think that way
@Lionboy2930 Good point. He sold out.
@@HypervoxelRBX Only a complete cockwomble would think Thatcherite policies were good when Blair was in power. Remember, it wasn't the labour party who removed her from office, it was the Tory party.
None of them today can hold a candle to him.
Love you Dennis, an honest man
Skinner was correct to campaign for Brexit.
There’s the rich and there’s the rich. There’s nothing else left to be said.
It shows the years of not worrying
Absolutely marvellous
Part of the problem with Labour is that the membership paid homage and pilgrimage to the likes of Kinnock, Blair, Brown et al. There is a section of Labour Party that voted for Starmer. Until and unless Labour sheds this ugly side of its self, you will have the current problems. There are unions that perpetuate their existence rather than fight and negotiate hard for their members. You would expect them to be left wing but they hunt with the hound and pretend to run with the rabbit. So all of these need fixing to obtain the trust and respect of suffering people.
Voted Labour for 35 years never again.
@@CS88754 Sadly, it's true, but I'm better now.
@@CS88754 Why would you doubt that, millions are leaving Labour.
Kinnock the Scab
Dennis tells it like it is .
Skinner could’ve won an election. He was a force of nature and he could make people laugh.
He would get banned from the Labour Party if this was 2024
if anybody is interested, this is from a Ken Loach film about the 1982 labour party conference, entitled 'The Red and the Blue' - it is on youtube
Love Hobsbawm ❤ he was the best modern historian.
Respect to you Dennis, you’ve always been a true leftist and an absolute credit to the Socialist movement along with the Democratic Socialist Labour Party. Solidarity with you comrade ✊🏽
That is so funny. I assume you are being funny?
it's sad to hear that Dennis a committed Brexiteer will loose his seat to a Tory because of the Brexit Party...
What a brill mp he has been for 49 years he voted to leave EU so did his constiuents and to end his career at 85. Love him or hate him i feel sad for him outspoken but true
kinnock wearing CND badge - looks really radical nowadays
I truly miss Dennis Skinner - I hope we can see him come out of retirement and rally in the future with George Galloway and Jeremy Corbyn just imagine the three of them at a rally
The old socialist leftwing back then is a different entity to what it changed into thesedays, where standing up for equal rights, workers rights, fair pay / working hours, the NHS, social security, free education & social housing were its core focus to help the working class.
Where today it obsesses over identity politics, such as trans rights / correct pro nouns, critical race theory, Palestine & climate change, where net zero targets threaten the livelihoods of the working class with no guarantee that it would make any difference other than penalise the poor.
It appears to be more of a middleclass Green Party endeavour than the working class socialism Dennis Skinner represented.
People who think like this are why the right wing are constantly gaining popularity
@@StanTorrent If the rightwing are gaining popularity (not so sure about that given Tory failure of the past 14 years) then the modern day faux socialists should come up with realistic policies that actually make a difference to working peoples lives & protect this countries interests.
“Unity is Strength”- Neil Kinnock MP
Skinner is brilliant ☺️
Skinner reminds me of Trigger from Fools and Horses when he was younger.
Left or right. It is always about the character of the man.
Kinnock has no character.
If Jezza hadn’t capitulated to the right-wingers and had the courage to give the party to grassroots members, Dennis might still be MP.
Lol!
Without power you can achieve bugger all.
This type of infighting enabled 18 years of Tory government 1979 to 97.
Kinnock’s oratory ways remind me of Ewar Woodwar in the Wicker Man
Brilliant
Skinner, a man of great principle and one of the hardest working MPs of his time, helped keep Labour out of power for a generation.
@@CS88754 You're too kind.
An excellent orator with complete control over his audience.
A complete demagogue.
Destroyed in 2019 by ex Labour voters who were sick of him.
@@jetpigeon8758 They weren't sick of him though. They were sick of Brexit (though I prefer the term "drunk"). Nobody actually votes for individual candidates in their constituencies with the exception of perhaps Brighton Pavilion.
Because the majority of his audience were unintelligent oiks, that were easy to manipulate, just like any oik who supported Corbyn.
@@PsilentMusicUK So hold on a minute, you say they were not sick of him, they were sick of Brexit. Why did they all vote for a pro Brexit MP then? People wanted Brexit, if you don't understand that then look up 2019 Election result, and you will see what I mean. Open your eyes.
@@jetpigeon8758 I meant that they were sick that Brexit was being dragged out, not that it was happening. Getting rid of Labour was clearly more important than the individual candidates. In my consistuency, the Tory candidate resigned like 2 weeks before the election and nobody even knew who his replacement was. They went Tory for the first time in about 70 years or something. It clearly wasn't about the candidates.
Reading the comments you'd think Brussels was a bigger enemy than our very own home grown ruling class and the pervasive inequality that blights our country. It's tragic that people see Brexit as a solution - when the answer is a Labour government.
Brexit is a symptom, not a solution.
Show me a working class Labour Voter and I will likley show you someone who is happy to support globalisation on a grand scale.
The sad truth of the matter, is that the working class in the Western World are suffering death from a thousand self inflicted cuts as the commodity that is labour, makes its way east to benefit the working class in Asia.
when labour politicians had worked for a living instead of being politics students or special advisors - dennis could have got on the comedians t v show with that routine.........
like Bernard Manning
Jesus fucking Christ.
Kinnock explained the last 3 years.
When did Kinnock lose his principles?
Dennis Skinner who's been in Parliament for decades and achieved nothing. Wot a ledge!
Doesn't need a reply! This says it all.
It does indeed,
Skinner stood up for his people upmost respect there but he realised as did everyone else at the time the militant left was as much if not more about lifting the individuals with the microphone up to middle and upper class stature as it was lifting the working class out of poverty.
Funny how were in the same mess now Socialism always every time devolves into tyranny always has always will
There has never been one country in the history of the world that adopts proper socialist ideals into policy and didn’t end up in civil unrest and economic catastrophe, NOT ONE EVER
He's not there for patronage...he's there to call bullshit and he does it well
They can't even put their banner up straight...
Dodgy Dave!
Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
Dennis skinner is everything about the Labour party that was good. Neil kinnock was everything about the labour party that was, and is, bad
The problem with socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money........someone else said that?😜👍
The problem with pissing on Thatcher's grave is that eventually you run out of piss.
Yes, it was Margaret Thatcher, and the saying is as true today as it was then - as Corbyn and McDonnell found out to their cost on Friday! 👍👍👍👍👍
the problem with capitalism is eventually everyone runs out of money except for the rich
About as true as anything else that neoliberal witch ever said.
is there a audiance??
Legend no other words. If the labour party had another 20 Dennis Skinners they got my vote
Well I suppose idiots need someone to vote for LOL
You tease stop it 😍😍
Why why 🥺🥺🥺 it's not in the seat anymore 😭 he is the most MP of the United Kingdom I don't like parliament anymore because he's left 😐😐
Fantastic
legend beast of bolsover
Windbag Kinnock yet another prime example of 'I'm only here to feather my own nest'
it's hilarious reading all the old comments on here about the EU.
Now we've left, things are worse. Well done boys. You were warned and you wouldn't listen.
Rome was not built in a day,
He reminds me of my dad like dad a man of principle he was told he was out of step with the labour party of blaire , so my dad told em get stuffed you class tratiors and walked out they went to see my dad and he told em get off my door step rjght now den is a man of principle we wont see his like again labour was going fine now the only ones they are interested in are champaigne socalists with university education and fat wallets
Difference is Neil has honour , the world of Trotskyist certainty doesn't exist .
I love denis skinner.
The dying art of the orator.
i'm american can a brit tell me what's going on