A lot more clears have been coming out now with Level 50 M0/R1, off-element teams and near-F2P levels of investment, so let me share some of my favorites: Punch with an M0/R1 Ellen/Nekomata Team: czcams.com/video/HW_2UWHin9A/video.html Yoji with M0/R1 Ellen/ZY with Starlight on ZY: czcams.com/video/11ONK6Leo_M/video.html Chewtwo with M0/R1 Ellen/ZY using only monthly pack: czcams.com/video/HegW72A45-k/video.html All great runs, and all deserving of more love.
This video is nowhere near FTP, both exclusive characters and exclusive weapons. Not to mention there were 4 total Stiers with S tier weapons across the two teams. This was the equivalent of having lvl 60 characters.
@@JMO777X Other people have near F2P clears, hence I'm sharing it here? I'm straight up claiming to have whaled in the description... Also Level 60 is a huge increase, as it's 25% damage increase without factoring in skills or W-Engine levels (which also get higher caps).
Mastering Zhu Yuan is going to be very fun. Making moments like 05:03 more common and having a fight where every ZY dodge is done in Suppressive Mode is going to make for really cool looking runs.
The problem is you'd only be able to get to level 60 in time by resetting with Polychromes. It's not possible to hit level 60 without Poly resets for the moment as far as I know. This is also doable with M0/R1 without much issue. Ellen's rotation didn't make use of M1 at all other than the opener (easy to change) and ZY only saved maybe one extra rotation which could be made up. You'd want to at least have a Brimstone (and would need to spend Signals on that if you didn't get it via Standard), but it's very much possible with a bit more optimisation. Deep Sea Visitor is incredibly strong so it'd be tight but I believe it can be done with Thanatos parry fishing. You'd want better Drive Disks than what I have here if running Brimstone on Ellen though, at the very least for more Crit Rate.
@@paperbeatsrock_ If you click on your battery (stamina), you can add 60 battery by spending Polychromes, which is your pull currency. I wouldn't recommend unless you don't care for pulling future/current units or you're desperate for the EXP or mats.
@@LinNull Ah yeah, thought so. I agree that it's just not worth it without ether batteries - no need to sacrifice pulls just to lvl up when the game is in its infancy.
Thank you! You'd be surprised how sometimes you can get better times by getting hit instead (such as just swapping between all chars while they attack - they're still vulnerable so they take damage even if you're not on them if done outside of a Defensive Assist). It just looks a lot cleaner when you do no hit though and it feels a lot nicer too.
Glad to see a non M6 run! Good job. Though I'm waiting to see if someone can do it without Ellen and Zhu Yuan. I think it might be possible with Ellen + Grace teams but might need some darn good discs.
Yeah, I think an anomaly team on Thanatos Side (where you don't really need a stunner to stun since the break bar is so small) could do really well. Maybe Grace/Piper/Rina would work, or Grace/Piper/Lucy with high Mindscapes on Piper/Lucy... Would need to lab which comp would do more damage since both Grace and Piper's Atribute/Faction bonuses are strong and you'd need to give up one, but it might be doable. Assuming level 50 that is, since with level 60 the fight becomes a lot more forgiving.
@@LinNull Unfortunately my Grace and Rina are good (got their weapons) but my Piper isn't M6 and I don't have her weapon (running the BP anomaly weapon...). So I think I'm screwed this cycle.
@@Reda-Ouits fine, all big damage you see on vids are actually Grace's damage, play grace on field until you trigger shock, then swap to piper. Even if you dont trigger disorder as long as you hit 10x with piper, all Grace's shock would pop, then repeat.
Hey, just wanted say your advice was a big help. Finally got the results I wanted, and with Anby too. Super happy, of course, but I also have some feedback about m1's and stunner's on-field time. First off, yes it is quite doable, even with the new second side boss, and not having the first mindscape made it more tight in rotations. However, I cannot deny that I really needed to use the stacks outside stunned periods, which leads us to stunners being bad at stunning as an on-fielder most of the time. The problem I had last time of not having ultimate up for the last rotation was just that I had to extend the rotation due time. Not using stacks and instead building daze was counter productive given the time constraints, so I had to adjust ZY preferred playstyle, and use stacks buffed by Nicole whenever I had them. This solves my decibel generation as well as the damage cut off suffered if you just try to build daze with your stunner. Your run is still really good, seeing as it's a no hit and 2 weeks earlier than mine. Again, Thank you for sharing your clears, as it inspired me to do the same!
Yeah, pumping that damage during non-stun time with ZY would be a pretty big deal especially with Anby, as it's not like you get much value out of her if she's on field without EX. Great to hear that you managed it though, a huge achievement to pull it off with M0s and A rank stunners, so well done.
I believe man, just gotta grind out a bit before reset and you can do it. Disk Drives matter a lot too, so maybe if you've landed a lucky one it can make a big difference.
Thank you! Yeah, having only 1 A-Rank stunner is so limiting right now... doesn't help that the next one (Qingyi) will be another S-Rank. Hoping for the best of luck on your rolls.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing, I learned some tips that I would love to try. M1 is very powerful, and I can see it saved about another full rotation, especially on Zhu Yuan’s team. Your grouping is very efficient as well, so I will practice that. Thanks again
For sure. Zhu Yuan can easily do that without M1 too, it's more for comfort. Most of the Quick Reload damage was being done during non stun periods and I was liberal with using EX Special outside of it - given how much time can be saved it's certainly doable with M0.
@@LinNullDay one of grinding and I got some results, but I’m lagging behind an entire rotation. I’m sure if I get the time down on Thanatos it’s doable, it’s also just that without m1, Zhu Yuan won’t have enough decibels to burst the last rotation before the S cutoff. I’ll have tweak the last stretch a bit because it kind of is a skill issue, and replaying the end of the second phase takes a bit of time.
@@nutterdunuts It may have been one of those where sacrificing 4 piece Chaotic Metal and running a 2/2/2 with Swing Jazz may end up being better to make up the Decibel regen by having more EX opportunities to build up gauge. It's reset now so I hope you managed to make it.
Yes. Every Chain Attack uses up stun time, even if visually it doesn't look like it. For Ellen Team, I always use Soukaku Chain Attack if I can to get the Swing Jazz buff and a +1 to her charge, so I can get Fly the Flag buff with only 2 pips filled beforehand. Normally you'd want to use Ellen Chain Attack (even though it takes a year to execute) due to its damage, but because the current Shiyu buff gives a whopping +50% damage to Dash Attacks and Basic Attacks, it's much better DPS to just skip Ellen and do that instead. Plus, you get Quick Assist from not following up after Soukaku's Chain Attack, giving you the Quick Charge buff, so you're never out of stacks even as M0. For ZY Team, I always use Nicole Chain first for the Def Shred, Ether DMG+ and W-Engine effect to apply to ZY's Chain Attack. By ending on ZY, you also get to skip the flip animation when starting Suppressive Mode attacks, as you can instantly go into the attack string after Chain/EX or Ultimate on her. If you don't have M1 ZY, you might want to end on Nicole instead for the Quick Assist extra Shotshell and then use EX Special right after to skip the flip animation instead. If you do that though, you want the boss pre-debuffed with either a regular Nicole basic (Def Shred/Ether DMG+) or an EX Skill (all the previous ones as well as W-Engine buff) before you go into Chain Attack. Stunner Chain Attack is never worth using unless the DPS they contribute is greater than what you could do on your main damage dealer (and it uses up time that you have debuffs applied, like Nicole's if you use her first). So you need either very well build stun units and/or have their attack be so fast that the damage they contribute is good enough - Anby's for example is super fast so it might be ok to not skip it, but only if you have her built so she's doing good damage.
I have these characters but don't have Koldea's W-Engine. I don't know what could do for her instead. Would it be worth leveling her up instead of Anby who I have at level 50 rn, her signature W-engine is at 40.
You'll want at least 2 stunners, unless you're building an anomaly comp. If you plan on rolling for Qingyi, I'd recommend building Koleda and Qingyi, but if not, then you'll want both Anby and Koleda levelled and geared at some point.
@@LinNull i already have Lyacon built for my Ellen team so I don't need aother stuner for this event. I'm just trying to clean this once before the event is over but I'm getting destoryed, mayve I need to improve my discs?
@@6lbsofshrimp If you haven't hit Level 60 yet (for the current Shiyu), you should be able to hit it this week. It'll make your times much, much faster so you can see what kind of investment you need there. If you already have Koleda and Lycaon, there's no real reason to invest in Anby, as Koleda is much better than her even without her team passive. If you can't S rank it once you get your main DPS to Level 60 (and their W-Engines), then you'll want to start looking at optimising Drive Disks.
@@LinNull I just pulled Koldea, she's level 40 rn and no engine for her so I'm in a cost sunk fallacy. Right now I'm optimizing drive disk and leveling up my knot account, I think yeah I'll start farming to get ready to be level 60, that way I won't have to sweat as much. It's a hard fight tbh.
@@6lbsofshrimp I think getting her to 50 with a 60 stun W-Engine and whatever Drive Disks you had on Anby will be more than enough. Level 60 is important for your DPS, but not so much for stunners since you don't get any extra Impact with level. Just get a solid W-Drive (Steam Oven is great for Koleda and iirc you can R5 it by crafting) and Drive Disks, level up her skills with the exception of Ultimate/Chain Attack to max and leave her at Level 50 until you have a solid set and team built imo.
Whenever you activate a Chain Attack, even if it visually looks like the stun bar resets, it's still getting used up. Every second you spend doing a Chain Attack is a second that you take away from the stun duration, so spending that time using a Chain Attack on a Stun character (or even an Attacker, like Ellen, whose Chain Attack takes so long) ends up taking away from the time you could have spent damaging the boss with more efficient moves instead.
I watched a video that showed that the chain attack doesnt run down the stun timer unless it's the last one in the series, you just skip the last one (3rd if boss, 2nd if elite). Is this not the case?
@@choariwap7072 You can lab this yourself by waiting it out. Hit an enemy and let the bar drop to 50%, then do it again. It will reduce the total stun duration. There's been some labbing that have some people find that "bosses" (such as the Weekly ones) behave differently from normal mobs - which is what leads to this behaviour - but as Shiyu enemies are considered bosses (and proc the full 3 chain), it should still count as such anyways. Worth some more labbing I suppose.
Yep, that's right. The time you spend on animation doing a chain attack on another character takes away from the time you actually get to burst on your main DPS. In some cases, like Ellen here (when the Shiyu buff was +DMG to normal attacks but not to Chain Attacks), you may even want to skip Chain Attack on your main DPS if it takes too long.
I've been thinking about this for a while but does Zhu yuan suppresive mode have to get closer to deal more damage or its fixed damage regardless of range
You gotta be close else it'll suffer ranged damage falloff. It's not that close though and most shots should still do full damage if you do the side attack after Suppressive 3, as it moves you closer. You can also always just dash attack straight into Suppressive if you really need to close the distance.
You don't want to use stun characters' Chain Attacks as they use up your stun time. When I was running some tests with the Ellen team, if I did all Chain Attacks, from the time the Bangboo attack occurred to the end of the stun period it was around 600 frames (only 330 of which you can use your character as you have Bangboo attack and then the character's own Chain Attack for the other 270 frames). If you only proc 1, you got 700+ frames to DPS. So using Koleda as Chain Attack is just wasting time unless you have her built/geared with top of the line Disks, which is too early right now I think. If you have her geared out and decked with proper Disks/W-Engine then it's fair. As for the order though, ideally you want to use Nicole first to get her buff/debuffs on ZY's Chain Attack. You can just left click once with her to apply the DEF shred, but then you have 3.5 seconds to proc Chain Attack which is tight. It also means you don't benefit from her Sig W-Engine buff. If you need the extra bullet (from not having M1) then it's better to have Nicole go last - although try to have Nicole EX before it. This will depend on your Energy Regen, as you'll want to have Nicole up again mid ZY burst to refresh the debuff. If you do choose to have Koleda Chain Attack though, you'll want her to come before Nicole or ZY, as you don't want Nicole's buff timer to be used up during the Chain Attack animation. The orb doesn't last long, so you want to either have her be second to last and finish on ZY (to be able to avoid the animation flip when entering Suppressive Mode) or finish on Nicole to Quick Assist into ZY. So if you're doing ZY -> Koleda -> Nicole it's fine as Nicole is last, but in an ideal scenario you're skipping Koleda altogether and having the enemy pre-debuffed if ending on Nicole.
well I mean, they _aren't_ M6 and the characters _aren't_ Lv60 they never said this was an F2P account (even admitted to being a whale in the description, albeit a lucky one) but just like they said, it's at least more achievable
You can easily do this with M0/R1. The Hellfire Gears could be replaced with Steam Oven and Six Shooter. Ellen and ZY would need some kind of S rank weapon, but by exchanging Signals for Brimstone it could be workable, assuming you have better Drive Disks than me/more Crit Rate. The damage falloff on an R5 Starlight Engine is not so bad and would be competitive for ZY too, so it's likely doable, but would need some intense parry fishing and good support management if Brimstone is being used on Ellen. Deep Sea Visitor is incredibly strong so it'd be a bit rough without it, but I think the run can be optimised to work with Brimstone. It isn't M6, it isn't level 60, and it's doable as M0 (although S-Rank W-Engine are needed). If you have Ellen Sig, then M0/R1 wouldn't be too different.
@@LinNull have you ever tried it with M0/R1? Or do you have references so that I can watch that it is easily doable as M0/R1? Based on genshin.lab, the power difference between M0 and M1 ZY is almost 30%, which is insane.
Yeah, sadly I don't think it's possible to S-Rank this as F2P unless you get incredibly lucky and/or spend Polychromes on resets to hit level 60. Likely both... Even without rolling for characters/weapons you'd still need enough Signal currency to at least buy an S rank engine for one of the attackers, and the cost of having to farm up multiple R5 Starlight Engines and losing out on the A-Rank Character weapons as well would make it incredibly difficult. Perhaps with some godlike Drive Disks, but I don't see Corin and Anton as main damage dealers S-Ranking this... Even with 60 given the limited time we have to build the characters before this Shiyu expires. Having either Ellen or ZY feel mandatory, and while an Ellen/Nekomata Comp can do this at 50, it'd still need Brimstone and/or Deep Sea Visitor, so there's no avoiding that...
@@LinNull im happy with B as f2p and im also aware its way too early for me to clear everything with limited amount of power xD ofc i dont spend poly for battery its just not worth it for the exchange of little extra polys on getting S
@@aaronbarlianta Whenever you spend battery charge/stamina, you gain experience for your account. You get around 10 charge per hour, which means you're hard-capped as to how fast you can level up your Inter-Knot level. At Inter-Knot level 50, you unlock the ability to increase the level of your characters and W-Engines to 60. Just having characters at 60 is already a 25%+ damage increase from 50, much more when you include level 60 W-Engines and higher skill levels. The problem is that because you're hard-capped in the speed you can level up, the only way to level up faster and hit Inter-Knot 50 before reset arrived was by getting more battery charge. The only way to do this is by clicking on your charge, then "refreshing" it with Polychromes. 60 Polychromes will give you 60 charge once a day. Then 75 Polychromes will give you 60 charge twice a day. Then 100 Polychrome for 60 twice a day, then 150 Polychrome for 60 twice a day. Problem is, Polychrome is the currency you use to exchange for tapes that are used to pull characters and W-Engines. This means that the only way someone can be Inter-Knot 50 and therefore have level 60 characters, is if they spent their Polychromes on refreshing their battery charge. This can amount to dozens or even hundreds of dollars worth of Polychrome being used just for battery charge instead of pulls, which means that - in the long run - it's better not to spend Polychromes on resets unless you can whale freely or don't care for characters and want materials instead.
Pretty much, yeah. Takes way too long to charge the full thing and it's not like I need the additional Corruption anomaly most of the time. I tried doing the early release (where she fires it into the air), but that felt a little slower than just a regular release and doesn't go anywhere near as far as the regular EX Special does. I had some runs where I'd use it and it wouldn't even hit the adds because they were too far. It's nice for styling and for fights where you need the extra invul (like Nineveh 11), but for Shiyu where every second counts it felt a bit wasteful.
At the end of the day its all about who gets dazed first and if you can even inflict some hard ass hitting dmg because if you don't have the elemental advantage you're done literally no questions asked. You can't S it in under 2:30 for Phase 1 and 2 if you're off-element.
Elemental weakness is massive, but it's possible to get under 2:30 for Dullahan if you have a built Nekomata/Lucy/Nicole team. Granted you need some cracked Disk Drives (looking at x10+ Crit Rate and Crit Dmg substats on meta Disks). Penetration also seems to be very strong with this amount of level difference - so you can S it in under 2:30, but you'll need at least 1 team to be on-element else it's impossible with our current roster. You'd still need S-Rank W-Engines but it's possible with M0 (that is assuming level 50), Punch has done it: czcams.com/video/HW_2UWHin9A/video.html
@@LinNull I forgot to say that still one of factors that you can't S most of it is your units elemental coverage Like this patch if you don't have ellen which i don't have anyone will lose that opportunity to clear that side in 2:30 covering the ice unit.
@@JayceRustia Yeah for sure. It's just outright impossible to clear if you don't have at least one side covered with one of the limited units and I'm pretty sure that's by design sadly...
@@LinNull For sure true, cause i have 1,2 EZ 3 barely S 4-A then 5,6,7 all B. Sadly i don't have the team to cover 4 elements cause i only have a fire and ether team.
That's right, M1 gives her 6 bullet reload on Chain and 9 after Ultimate. You can do a rotation that isn't dependent on it (most of the stun periods don't make use of it and it contributes mostly to out of stun dmg). It's incredibly comfy to have it though and massively eases the need to optimise.
This would be doable with Ellen and Nekomata as DPS, assuming you have R1 weapons for them (Brimstone on Nekomata, running Nekomata/Lucy/Nicole and Koleda or Lycaon on Ellen team). Not having either Ellen or ZY though then yeah, I don't think it's possible even with really strong Disks. With less than a month to prep for this Shiyu, if you're not running some combination of limited chars/W-Engines then the game isn't going to let you S-Rank at level 50 by design.
You can do this with M0/R1. Ellen's rotation doesn't even make use of M1 other than the opener and ZY's can be easily optimised to not use Quick Reload.
@@energex1707 It is. It'd be far cheaper for you to just Poly reset your way to 60 and clear with an off-element team instead, but that's the game limitation. Either you spend your polys on characters/w-engines or you spend them on resets. I'd wager most people would rather spend on the former and not the latter. Given it's achievable with M0/R1 I think it's fair, even if it depends on Ellen's sig W-Engine. Not being able to S-Rank without high end W-Engines and an on-element team is kind of by design...
I dont get this "because they cleared it with lvl 60 character's I dont consider it a legit clear mindset" like a clear is a clear lvl 60 or not it aint that srs. Down playing other ppls achievements because they didnt handicap/challenge themselves like you is pretty wild.
I've never implied that it isn't a legit clear? You got that statement in quotation marks but it's your words, not mine... What next, M1 clear isn't viable? R1 clear isn't viable? F2P only with Corin/Anton as DPS units is the only viable method? I could have handicapped myself further by making an M0 only ZY rotation, but I didn't. I could also not have run Hellfire Gears, but I didn't. Why? Because I wasn't actually handicapping myself, I was just playing the game as I normally would. I can't be handicapping myself by not playing at Level 60 because it's outright IMPOSSIBLE for me to be Level 60. It's about it being more achievable for players that are watching it and trying to learn or pick something up from it, and sharing something that I just hadn't seen be done. Had I seen Punch's Ellen/Nekomata clear before, I likely wouldn't even have uploaded this honestly. People simply cannot be level 60 for this Shiyu defence without spending on Polychrome resets. The math won't math. Even people that may be whaling (like myself) would prefer investing Polys on characters or engines instead of resets. The advantage that you get with Level 60 is so big that you don't even need to run on-element teams, as the damage advantage you get is just that huge. Were I 60 on Ellen with a 60 W-Engine and Level 11 Skills and I could probably shave well over 30+ seconds off the clear with the damage difference. It just isn't a realistic expectation for any spectator. Heck, mine isn't particularly realistic either as it'd rely on 2 limited units and their W-Engines, which most can't claim to have, but at the very least it does a good job at showcasing rotations and other decisions that need to be taken to achieve such a clear time (like Chain Attack skipping). People might see and know that they aren't going to have this level of investment and still won't be able to S-Rank, but just maybe they can take something from this and turn that B-Rank into an A-Rank. I'm not downplaying anyone's achievement, rather I'm "upplaying" mine. It's impressive to be able to clear Shiyu 17 S-Rank, but it feels pretty fun to do my best and do so level 50 in a no hit run. The challenge is personal, and me sharing it with the world doesn't invalidate anyone else's achievements - unless they choose to take it that way.
@@LinNull I'm glad you wrote this long paragraph I love these types of conversations. You said and I quote "I was seeing a few S-Rank clears on Shiyu 17 but they were all being done either with M6 or level 60 characters which bring a huge damage advantage." Proceeds to make a title of the video called "Shiyu Defense 17 is S-Rankable without M6 or Level 60 Chars/IK 50+" and you aren't down playing the one's who cleared with lvl 60 characters achievements? This a whole new case of of being an egotistical prick because "they didn't clear the stages to my standards so I wont acknowledge it" type of stuff I have ever seen. Also don't put words in my mouth because lets be honest going this F2P route means keeping your content relatable to the F2P player base. Since you wanna play ignorant about this no F2P is gonna go for a M1/R1 Zhu Yuan. Now you are the one saying a M1R1 clear isn't relatable not me or else I would have said that in my first reply to you good way to make yourself look silly tho got a laugh from that one. No one said anything about you runnign hellfire my man if I wanted to point that out I would have but since you can't seem to wrap it aroudn your thick head because you need an explanation I'll explain it since I thought it was obvious. You specifically brought up lvls therefore you decided to keep your units at lvl 50 instead of 60 therefor handicapping yourself why you couldn't understand that is beyond me but it should have been obvious guess common sense aint common with people like you. You don't need to spend to hit lvl 50+ you just doing all the side quest and hidden quests ( yes there are hidden ones incase you weren't aware) and use your free currency and running the stage that gives the most exp which is the mat dungeons like promoting mats etc plus you get stam pot on your way to lvl 50 so you def can't math leave that to the people who can do that. I aint about what's achievable you made it very clear in your title you had a bone to pick with people who didn't clear base don your standards so stop lying what you say would sound so much better if you were just honest and told the truth instead of trying to water down your true intentions with the title and . Idc about your trying to achieve and good for you that you did it. I already said what my problem with you was as I already pointed that out. I'm a whale as well and I do my own thing and invest in my characters but that's my decision I'm not gonna look at what another person did and just have this attitude like you because they need to meet my standards in order for it to look good. You saying being 60 gives a huge advantage that you don't need to run on element is something I already know you aint the only person who knows this my man but at the same time that's your decision to wanna handicap yourself the whole point of the game is to raise your characters and get stronger and the people who cleared at lvl 60 are not wrong for playing the game normally (LIKE YOU DO) so don't be a hypocrite downplaying them for playing the game as it was intended that's wild and ignorant. You are correct you having a M1/R1 isnt a realistic expectation but you don't get to make an excuse for that by saying by having it it lets you "showcase rotations and other decisions that need to be taken to achieve such a clear time (like Chain Attack skipping)." Tech I already know btw. Dont make excuses to give yourself a pass to make your unrelatable stuff you got automatically relatable but you can't that same fairness to the ones who cleared it at lvl 60. No you are not "uplaying" yourself this is nothing more than ego stroke if you wanted to uplay you could have been a little more humble with the title homie. Good CC's know how to get their point across especially with skill expression videos like this without downplaying others but its seem you are very immature and just need time to grow its pretty obvious. Idm anyone trying to have fun with the stuff they wanna do but the minute you go about having fun while downplaying those who are also having fun and playing the game normally you swerving in the wrong lane for no reason and you wrong for that. Looking forward to your next reply. I'll be waiting.
Even with hidden quests (Hollow Zero items, Lumberjack of Justice, The Prophecy, etc.) there's no way you'd be 60 (IK 50+) 3 days ago. Even now with Ether Batteries I'm not even 49, I don't know where you getting that EXP from but I'd love to know the list of quests I might be missing, as it'd genuinely be of great help. Unfortunately I don't think you succeed at trying to make me seem bad when so much of your reply are insults. I don't look down on others' clears, but I certainly look down on your attitude, so don't worry, your disdain is mutual. If your problem is with a slightly clickbait title, which is factually true, and me wanting to highlight a non Level 60 run and feeling pride in it, then sorry but I don't feel slighted in the least. If anything, you've done a wonderful job at making yourself look far more petty than you try to make me out to be.
@@LinNull Idk who you watched to see they were lvl 50 3 days ago I'm only lvl 48 I could have prob been 50 if I chose to spam the promoting mats stages every reset since they give the most exp while stamina refreshing like the rest do with their f2p currency I've only seen 1 person at lvl 51. I've only been disk faming since im at the sweet spot with my team though I plan to build my fire team next. Nowhere am I trying to succeed at anything or make you look bad that's your insecure issue creeping up and a problem only you can solve. You had something to say and I responded to those question in kind. How you came to the conclusion that I was trying to make you look bad is beyond me. I said "you made yourself look silly" with these one foot in and one foot out responses to excuse why you did what you did and worded your title the way you did. This is like the Iyo situation " I said this" "but I really meant this!" No the problem isn't you wanting to have pride in what you do, you can have take pride in w/e it is you do but yours was at the expense of down playing those other videos you watched and not being satisfied because they didn't meet your standards BIG DIFFERENCE between the two like I said you are not very mature its obvious from the way you are poorly explaining your reasoning. The video wasn't click baity at all no need to play the childish game of trying to cover it up under the guise of "its just click bait bro" nah what you worded in that title is how you truly felt towards those people who's videos you watched. Stating facts and giving constructive criticism on how to not be arrogant and ignorant and do better isn't being petty btw but you wouldn't think to look beyond that but instead feel like I'm attacking you.
@@templeknights "Egotistical prick", "can't seem to wrap it around your thick head", "guess common sense aint common with people like you" - sorry mate but you most certainly are attacking me. It's a perfect valid to express that you feel I'm being disrespectful to others, but when this is how it's conveyed I'm not going to feel particularly moved by what's being said. We've made our points, I'll see about being more mindful about conveying these things in the future, but so should you, as it definitely doesn't come across as the most productive reply.
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A lot more clears have been coming out now with Level 50 M0/R1, off-element teams and near-F2P levels of investment, so let me share some of my favorites:
Punch with an M0/R1 Ellen/Nekomata Team: czcams.com/video/HW_2UWHin9A/video.html
Yoji with M0/R1 Ellen/ZY with Starlight on ZY: czcams.com/video/11ONK6Leo_M/video.html
Chewtwo with M0/R1 Ellen/ZY using only monthly pack: czcams.com/video/HegW72A45-k/video.html
All great runs, and all deserving of more love.
This video is nowhere near FTP, both exclusive characters and exclusive weapons. Not to mention there were 4 total Stiers with S tier weapons across the two teams. This was the equivalent of having lvl 60 characters.
@@JMO777X Other people have near F2P clears, hence I'm sharing it here? I'm straight up claiming to have whaled in the description...
Also Level 60 is a huge increase, as it's 25% damage increase without factoring in skills or W-Engine levels (which also get higher caps).
@@LinNull I must have misunderstood, my apologies. Also there is nothing wrong with whaling, spend money on what makes you happy.
The chain-attack cancel was pretty helpful, I didn't know it counted towards the stun duration.
Mastering Zhu Yuan is going to be very fun. Making moments like 05:03 more common and having a fight where every ZY dodge is done in Suppressive Mode is going to make for really cool looking runs.
Yeah those are both E1S1 limiteds. 96% of the players are better off getting their agents to lv 60
Sai(n)t rainworld
The problem is you'd only be able to get to level 60 in time by resetting with Polychromes. It's not possible to hit level 60 without Poly resets for the moment as far as I know. This is also doable with M0/R1 without much issue. Ellen's rotation didn't make use of M1 at all other than the opener (easy to change) and ZY only saved maybe one extra rotation which could be made up.
You'd want to at least have a Brimstone (and would need to spend Signals on that if you didn't get it via Standard), but it's very much possible with a bit more optimisation. Deep Sea Visitor is incredibly strong so it'd be tight but I believe it can be done with Thanatos parry fishing. You'd want better Drive Disks than what I have here if running Brimstone on Ellen though, at the very least for more Crit Rate.
Just wondering, what is a polychrome reset? @@LinNull
@@paperbeatsrock_ If you click on your battery (stamina), you can add 60 battery by spending Polychromes, which is your pull currency.
I wouldn't recommend unless you don't care for pulling future/current units or you're desperate for the EXP or mats.
@@LinNull Ah yeah, thought so. I agree that it's just not worth it without ether batteries - no need to sacrifice pulls just to lvl up when the game is in its infancy.
Ngl a no hit run is just impressive in general
Thank you! You'd be surprised how sometimes you can get better times by getting hit instead (such as just swapping between all chars while they attack - they're still vulnerable so they take damage even if you're not on them if done outside of a Defensive Assist). It just looks a lot cleaner when you do no hit though and it feels a lot nicer too.
Glad to see a non M6 run! Good job. Though I'm waiting to see if someone can do it without Ellen and Zhu Yuan. I think it might be possible with Ellen + Grace teams but might need some darn good discs.
Yeah, I think an anomaly team on Thanatos Side (where you don't really need a stunner to stun since the break bar is so small) could do really well. Maybe Grace/Piper/Rina would work, or Grace/Piper/Lucy with high Mindscapes on Piper/Lucy... Would need to lab which comp would do more damage since both Grace and Piper's Atribute/Faction bonuses are strong and you'd need to give up one, but it might be doable. Assuming level 50 that is, since with level 60 the fight becomes a lot more forgiving.
@@LinNull Unfortunately my Grace and Rina are good (got their weapons) but my Piper isn't M6 and I don't have her weapon (running the BP anomaly weapon...). So I think I'm screwed this cycle.
@@Reda-Ouits fine, all big damage you see on vids are actually Grace's damage, play grace on field until you trigger shock, then swap to piper.
Even if you dont trigger disorder as long as you hit 10x with piper, all Grace's shock would pop, then repeat.
Hey, just wanted say your advice was a big help. Finally got the results I wanted, and with Anby too. Super happy, of course, but I also have some feedback about m1's and stunner's on-field time. First off, yes it is quite doable, even with the new second side boss, and not having the first mindscape made it more tight in rotations. However, I cannot deny that I really needed to use the stacks outside stunned periods, which leads us to stunners being bad at stunning as an on-fielder most of the time. The problem I had last time of not having ultimate up for the last rotation was just that I had to extend the rotation due time. Not using stacks and instead building daze was counter productive given the time constraints, so I had to adjust ZY preferred playstyle, and use stacks buffed by Nicole whenever I had them. This solves my decibel generation as well as the damage cut off suffered if you just try to build daze with your stunner. Your run is still really good, seeing as it's a no hit and 2 weeks earlier than mine. Again, Thank you for sharing your clears, as it inspired me to do the same!
Yeah, pumping that damage during non-stun time with ZY would be a pretty big deal especially with Anby, as it's not like you get much value out of her if she's on field without EX.
Great to hear that you managed it though, a huge achievement to pull it off with M0s and A rank stunners, so well done.
have a similar build guess i just have skill issue 😭😭
I believe man, just gotta grind out a bit before reset and you can do it. Disk Drives matter a lot too, so maybe if you've landed a lucky one it can make a big difference.
As someone who also likes making videos like these without getting hit, This was beautiful. I really need a second stun character. lel
Thank you! Yeah, having only 1 A-Rank stunner is so limiting right now... doesn't help that the next one (Qingyi) will be another S-Rank. Hoping for the best of luck on your rolls.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing, I learned some tips that I would love to try. M1 is very powerful, and I can see it saved about another full rotation, especially on Zhu Yuan’s team. Your grouping is very efficient as well, so I will practice that. Thanks again
For sure. Zhu Yuan can easily do that without M1 too, it's more for comfort. Most of the Quick Reload damage was being done during non stun periods and I was liberal with using EX Special outside of it - given how much time can be saved it's certainly doable with M0.
@@LinNullDay one of grinding and I got some results, but I’m lagging behind an entire rotation. I’m sure if I get the time down on Thanatos it’s doable, it’s also just that without m1, Zhu Yuan won’t have enough decibels to burst the last rotation before the S cutoff. I’ll have tweak the last stretch a bit because it kind of is a skill issue, and replaying the end of the second phase takes a bit of time.
@@nutterdunuts It may have been one of those where sacrificing 4 piece Chaotic Metal and running a 2/2/2 with Swing Jazz may end up being better to make up the Decibel regen by having more EX opportunities to build up gauge. It's reset now so I hope you managed to make it.
THAT WAS COOL AS SHIT MY DUDE GREAT STUFF i actually learnt a lot from this
What the f 💀 i was just happy making shuya 16 as Rank A but watched this making all of it Rank S 😭
I believe in you bro, only a day left you can get that 17 clear.
Can you explain the reasoning for when to follow through with chain attack and when not to? And does it make a significant difference?
Yes. Every Chain Attack uses up stun time, even if visually it doesn't look like it.
For Ellen Team, I always use Soukaku Chain Attack if I can to get the Swing Jazz buff and a +1 to her charge, so I can get Fly the Flag buff with only 2 pips filled beforehand. Normally you'd want to use Ellen Chain Attack (even though it takes a year to execute) due to its damage, but because the current Shiyu buff gives a whopping +50% damage to Dash Attacks and Basic Attacks, it's much better DPS to just skip Ellen and do that instead.
Plus, you get Quick Assist from not following up after Soukaku's Chain Attack, giving you the Quick Charge buff, so you're never out of stacks even as M0.
For ZY Team, I always use Nicole Chain first for the Def Shred, Ether DMG+ and W-Engine effect to apply to ZY's Chain Attack. By ending on ZY, you also get to skip the flip animation when starting Suppressive Mode attacks, as you can instantly go into the attack string after Chain/EX or Ultimate on her.
If you don't have M1 ZY, you might want to end on Nicole instead for the Quick Assist extra Shotshell and then use EX Special right after to skip the flip animation instead. If you do that though, you want the boss pre-debuffed with either a regular Nicole basic (Def Shred/Ether DMG+) or an EX Skill (all the previous ones as well as W-Engine buff) before you go into Chain Attack.
Stunner Chain Attack is never worth using unless the DPS they contribute is greater than what you could do on your main damage dealer (and it uses up time that you have debuffs applied, like Nicole's if you use her first). So you need either very well build stun units and/or have their attack be so fast that the damage they contribute is good enough - Anby's for example is super fast so it might be ok to not skip it, but only if you have her built so she's doing good damage.
I have these characters but don't have Koldea's W-Engine. I don't know what could do for her instead.
Would it be worth leveling her up instead of Anby who I have at level 50 rn, her signature W-engine is at 40.
You'll want at least 2 stunners, unless you're building an anomaly comp. If you plan on rolling for Qingyi, I'd recommend building Koleda and Qingyi, but if not, then you'll want both Anby and Koleda levelled and geared at some point.
@@LinNull i already have Lyacon built for my Ellen team so I don't need aother stuner for this event. I'm just trying to clean this once before the event is over but I'm getting destoryed, mayve I need to improve my discs?
@@6lbsofshrimp If you haven't hit Level 60 yet (for the current Shiyu), you should be able to hit it this week. It'll make your times much, much faster so you can see what kind of investment you need there.
If you already have Koleda and Lycaon, there's no real reason to invest in Anby, as Koleda is much better than her even without her team passive. If you can't S rank it once you get your main DPS to Level 60 (and their W-Engines), then you'll want to start looking at optimising Drive Disks.
@@LinNull I just pulled Koldea, she's level 40 rn and no engine for her so I'm in a cost sunk fallacy. Right now I'm optimizing drive disk and leveling up my knot account, I think yeah I'll start farming to get ready to be level 60, that way I won't have to sweat as much. It's a hard fight tbh.
@@6lbsofshrimp I think getting her to 50 with a 60 stun W-Engine and whatever Drive Disks you had on Anby will be more than enough.
Level 60 is important for your DPS, but not so much for stunners since you don't get any extra Impact with level. Just get a solid W-Drive (Steam Oven is great for Koleda and iirc you can R5 it by crafting) and Drive Disks, level up her skills with the exception of Ultimate/Chain Attack to max and leave her at Level 50 until you have a solid set and team built imo.
Hey, nice run! I have a quick question: why do you sometimes skip the chain attack?
Whenever you activate a Chain Attack, even if it visually looks like the stun bar resets, it's still getting used up. Every second you spend doing a Chain Attack is a second that you take away from the stun duration, so spending that time using a Chain Attack on a Stun character (or even an Attacker, like Ellen, whose Chain Attack takes so long) ends up taking away from the time you could have spent damaging the boss with more efficient moves instead.
@@LinNull Ah i see, thank you!!
@@LinNull that was really helpful I didnt know bout it
I watched a video that showed that the chain attack doesnt run down the stun timer unless it's the last one in the series, you just skip the last one (3rd if boss, 2nd if elite).
Is this not the case?
@@choariwap7072 You can lab this yourself by waiting it out. Hit an enemy and let the bar drop to 50%, then do it again. It will reduce the total stun duration.
There's been some labbing that have some people find that "bosses" (such as the Weekly ones) behave differently from normal mobs - which is what leads to this behaviour - but as Shiyu enemies are considered bosses (and proc the full 3 chain), it should still count as such anyways. Worth some more labbing I suppose.
wait was the avoidance of using chains so the stun duration lasted more?
Yep, that's right. The time you spend on animation doing a chain attack on another character takes away from the time you actually get to burst on your main DPS.
In some cases, like Ellen here (when the Shiyu buff was +DMG to normal attacks but not to Chain Attacks), you may even want to skip Chain Attack on your main DPS if it takes too long.
I've been thinking about this for a while but does Zhu yuan suppresive mode have to get closer to deal more damage or its fixed damage regardless of range
You gotta be close else it'll suffer ranged damage falloff. It's not that close though and most shots should still do full damage if you do the side attack after Suppressive 3, as it moves you closer. You can also always just dash attack straight into Suppressive if you really need to close the distance.
iirc you get 25% damage falloff after 15m, and 25% more for each 5m away from enemies
just a question, how does your chain attack order on Zhu Yuan compares to koleda > zy > koleda > bangboo/nicole > quick assist back into zy?
You don't want to use stun characters' Chain Attacks as they use up your stun time. When I was running some tests with the Ellen team, if I did all Chain Attacks, from the time the Bangboo attack occurred to the end of the stun period it was around 600 frames (only 330 of which you can use your character as you have Bangboo attack and then the character's own Chain Attack for the other 270 frames). If you only proc 1, you got 700+ frames to DPS.
So using Koleda as Chain Attack is just wasting time unless you have her built/geared with top of the line Disks, which is too early right now I think. If you have her geared out and decked with proper Disks/W-Engine then it's fair.
As for the order though, ideally you want to use Nicole first to get her buff/debuffs on ZY's Chain Attack. You can just left click once with her to apply the DEF shred, but then you have 3.5 seconds to proc Chain Attack which is tight. It also means you don't benefit from her Sig W-Engine buff.
If you need the extra bullet (from not having M1) then it's better to have Nicole go last - although try to have Nicole EX before it. This will depend on your Energy Regen, as you'll want to have Nicole up again mid ZY burst to refresh the debuff.
If you do choose to have Koleda Chain Attack though, you'll want her to come before Nicole or ZY, as you don't want Nicole's buff timer to be used up during the Chain Attack animation.
The orb doesn't last long, so you want to either have her be second to last and finish on ZY (to be able to avoid the animation flip when entering Suppressive Mode) or finish on Nicole to Quick Assist into ZY.
So if you're doing ZY -> Koleda -> Nicole it's fine as Nicole is last, but in an ideal scenario you're skipping Koleda altogether and having the enemy pre-debuffed if ending on Nicole.
After watching the last part, looking at the cinema and both stunners’ weapon, I was like, “Yea right, not M6 & level 60.”🤭
well I mean, they _aren't_ M6 and the characters _aren't_ Lv60
they never said this was an F2P account (even admitted to being a whale in the description, albeit a lucky one) but just like they said, it's at least more achievable
You can easily do this with M0/R1. The Hellfire Gears could be replaced with Steam Oven and Six Shooter. Ellen and ZY would need some kind of S rank weapon, but by exchanging Signals for Brimstone it could be workable, assuming you have better Drive Disks than me/more Crit Rate. The damage falloff on an R5 Starlight Engine is not so bad and would be competitive for ZY too, so it's likely doable, but would need some intense parry fishing and good support management if Brimstone is being used on Ellen. Deep Sea Visitor is incredibly strong so it'd be a bit rough without it, but I think the run can be optimised to work with Brimstone. It isn't M6, it isn't level 60, and it's doable as M0 (although S-Rank W-Engine are needed). If you have Ellen Sig, then M0/R1 wouldn't be too different.
@@LinNull have you ever tried it with M0/R1? Or do you have references so that I can watch that it is easily doable as M0/R1? Based on genshin.lab, the power difference between M0 and M1 ZY is almost 30%, which is insane.
insane, not complete f2p but still a huge feat especially lv 50
Yeah, sadly I don't think it's possible to S-Rank this as F2P unless you get incredibly lucky and/or spend Polychromes on resets to hit level 60. Likely both... Even without rolling for characters/weapons you'd still need enough Signal currency to at least buy an S rank engine for one of the attackers, and the cost of having to farm up multiple R5 Starlight Engines and losing out on the A-Rank Character weapons as well would make it incredibly difficult.
Perhaps with some godlike Drive Disks, but I don't see Corin and Anton as main damage dealers S-Ranking this... Even with 60 given the limited time we have to build the characters before this Shiyu expires. Having either Ellen or ZY feel mandatory, and while an Ellen/Nekomata Comp can do this at 50, it'd still need Brimstone and/or Deep Sea Visitor, so there's no avoiding that...
@@LinNull im happy with B as f2p and im also aware its way too early for me to clear everything with limited amount of power xD ofc i dont spend poly for battery its just not worth it for the exchange of little extra polys on getting S
@@LinNullYeah Corin just doesn’t have the consistent dps outside of a stun window unfortunately
@@LinNulli dont understand what does it mean to spend polychromes on reset and hit 60?
@@aaronbarlianta Whenever you spend battery charge/stamina, you gain experience for your account. You get around 10 charge per hour, which means you're hard-capped as to how fast you can level up your Inter-Knot level.
At Inter-Knot level 50, you unlock the ability to increase the level of your characters and W-Engines to 60. Just having characters at 60 is already a 25%+ damage increase from 50, much more when you include level 60 W-Engines and higher skill levels.
The problem is that because you're hard-capped in the speed you can level up, the only way to level up faster and hit Inter-Knot 50 before reset arrived was by getting more battery charge. The only way to do this is by clicking on your charge, then "refreshing" it with Polychromes.
60 Polychromes will give you 60 charge once a day. Then 75 Polychromes will give you 60 charge twice a day. Then 100 Polychrome for 60 twice a day, then 150 Polychrome for 60 twice a day.
Problem is, Polychrome is the currency you use to exchange for tapes that are used to pull characters and W-Engines. This means that the only way someone can be Inter-Knot 50 and therefore have level 60 characters, is if they spent their Polychromes on refreshing their battery charge.
This can amount to dozens or even hundreds of dollars worth of Polychrome being used just for battery charge instead of pulls, which means that - in the long run - it's better not to spend Polychromes on resets unless you can whale freely or don't care for characters and want materials instead.
so perfect 👍🏻
Do you not use Nicole's special skill(the one where she sits on the suitcase) because its also not worth the time, just like the last chain attack?
Pretty much, yeah. Takes way too long to charge the full thing and it's not like I need the additional Corruption anomaly most of the time.
I tried doing the early release (where she fires it into the air), but that felt a little slower than just a regular release and doesn't go anywhere near as far as the regular EX Special does. I had some runs where I'd use it and it wouldn't even hit the adds because they were too far.
It's nice for styling and for fights where you need the extra invul (like Nineveh 11), but for Shiyu where every second counts it felt a bit wasteful.
At the end of the day its all about who gets dazed first and if you can even inflict some hard ass hitting dmg because if you don't have the elemental advantage you're done literally no questions asked.
You can't S it in under 2:30 for Phase 1 and 2 if you're off-element.
Elemental weakness is massive, but it's possible to get under 2:30 for Dullahan if you have a built Nekomata/Lucy/Nicole team. Granted you need some cracked Disk Drives (looking at x10+ Crit Rate and Crit Dmg substats on meta Disks). Penetration also seems to be very strong with this amount of level difference - so you can S it in under 2:30, but you'll need at least 1 team to be on-element else it's impossible with our current roster.
You'd still need S-Rank W-Engines but it's possible with M0 (that is assuming level 50), Punch has done it: czcams.com/video/HW_2UWHin9A/video.html
@@LinNull I forgot to say that still one of factors that you can't S most of it is your units elemental coverage
Like this patch if you don't have ellen which i don't have anyone will lose that opportunity to clear that side in 2:30 covering the ice unit.
@@JayceRustia Yeah for sure. It's just outright impossible to clear if you don't have at least one side covered with one of the limited units and I'm pretty sure that's by design sadly...
@@LinNull For sure true, cause i have 1,2 EZ 3 barely S 4-A then 5,6,7 all B.
Sadly i don't have the team to cover 4 elements cause i only have a fire and ether team.
i noticed that it regain some bullets in Zhu Yuan when it's empty. Is it from the mindscape?
its from the m1
That's right, M1 gives her 6 bullet reload on Chain and 9 after Ultimate. You can do a rotation that isn't dependent on it (most of the stun periods don't make use of it and it contributes mostly to out of stun dmg). It's incredibly comfy to have it though and massively eases the need to optimise.
You have the 2 dps that this stage is made for.
with 2 defining best S units and their entire team
This would be doable with Ellen and Nekomata as DPS, assuming you have R1 weapons for them (Brimstone on Nekomata, running Nekomata/Lucy/Nicole and Koleda or Lycaon on Ellen team).
Not having either Ellen or ZY though then yeah, I don't think it's possible even with really strong Disks.
With less than a month to prep for this Shiyu, if you're not running some combination of limited chars/W-Engines then the game isn't going to let you S-Rank at level 50 by design.
well... they are definetly not m6 🙂
You can do this with M0/R1. Ellen's rotation doesn't even make use of M1 other than the opener and ZY's can be easily optimised to not use Quick Reload.
@@LinNull it's still kinda expensive
@@energex1707 It is. It'd be far cheaper for you to just Poly reset your way to 60 and clear with an off-element team instead, but that's the game limitation.
Either you spend your polys on characters/w-engines or you spend them on resets. I'd wager most people would rather spend on the former and not the latter.
Given it's achievable with M0/R1 I think it's fair, even if it depends on Ellen's sig W-Engine. Not being able to S-Rank without high end W-Engines and an on-element team is kind of by design...
I dont get this "because they cleared it with lvl 60 character's I dont consider it a legit clear mindset" like a clear is a clear lvl 60 or not it aint that srs.
Down playing other ppls achievements because they didnt handicap/challenge themselves like you is pretty wild.
I've never implied that it isn't a legit clear? You got that statement in quotation marks but it's your words, not mine... What next, M1 clear isn't viable? R1 clear isn't viable? F2P only with Corin/Anton as DPS units is the only viable method? I could have handicapped myself further by making an M0 only ZY rotation, but I didn't. I could also not have run Hellfire Gears, but I didn't. Why? Because I wasn't actually handicapping myself, I was just playing the game as I normally would. I can't be handicapping myself by not playing at Level 60 because it's outright IMPOSSIBLE for me to be Level 60.
It's about it being more achievable for players that are watching it and trying to learn or pick something up from it, and sharing something that I just hadn't seen be done. Had I seen Punch's Ellen/Nekomata clear before, I likely wouldn't even have uploaded this honestly.
People simply cannot be level 60 for this Shiyu defence without spending on Polychrome resets. The math won't math. Even people that may be whaling (like myself) would prefer investing Polys on characters or engines instead of resets. The advantage that you get with Level 60 is so big that you don't even need to run on-element teams, as the damage advantage you get is just that huge. Were I 60 on Ellen with a 60 W-Engine and Level 11 Skills and I could probably shave well over 30+ seconds off the clear with the damage difference. It just isn't a realistic expectation for any spectator. Heck, mine isn't particularly realistic either as it'd rely on 2 limited units and their W-Engines, which most can't claim to have, but at the very least it does a good job at showcasing rotations and other decisions that need to be taken to achieve such a clear time (like Chain Attack skipping).
People might see and know that they aren't going to have this level of investment and still won't be able to S-Rank, but just maybe they can take something from this and turn that B-Rank into an A-Rank.
I'm not downplaying anyone's achievement, rather I'm "upplaying" mine. It's impressive to be able to clear Shiyu 17 S-Rank, but it feels pretty fun to do my best and do so level 50 in a no hit run. The challenge is personal, and me sharing it with the world doesn't invalidate anyone else's achievements - unless they choose to take it that way.
@@LinNull I'm glad you wrote this long paragraph I love these types of conversations.
You said and I quote "I was seeing a few S-Rank clears on Shiyu 17 but they were all being done either with M6 or level 60 characters which bring a huge damage advantage." Proceeds to make a title of the video called "Shiyu Defense 17 is S-Rankable without M6 or Level 60 Chars/IK 50+" and you aren't down playing the one's who cleared with lvl 60 characters achievements?
This a whole new case of of being an egotistical prick because "they didn't clear the stages to my standards so I wont acknowledge it" type of stuff I have ever seen. Also don't put words in my mouth because lets be honest going this F2P route means keeping your content relatable to the F2P player base. Since you wanna play ignorant about this no F2P is gonna go for a M1/R1 Zhu Yuan.
Now you are the one saying a M1R1 clear isn't relatable not me or else I would have said that in my first reply to you good way to make yourself look silly tho got a laugh from that one. No one said anything about you runnign hellfire my man if I wanted to point that out I would have but since you can't seem to wrap it aroudn your thick head because you need an explanation I'll explain it since I thought it was obvious.
You specifically brought up lvls therefore you decided to keep your units at lvl 50 instead of 60 therefor handicapping yourself why you couldn't understand that is beyond me but it should have been obvious guess common sense aint common with people like you.
You don't need to spend to hit lvl 50+ you just doing all the side quest and hidden quests ( yes there are hidden ones incase you weren't aware) and use your free currency and running the stage that gives the most exp which is the mat dungeons like promoting mats etc plus you get stam pot on your way to lvl 50 so you def can't math leave that to the people who can do that.
I aint about what's achievable you made it very clear in your title you had a bone to pick with people who didn't clear base don your standards so stop lying what you say would sound so much better if you were just honest and told the truth instead of trying to water down your true intentions with the title and . Idc about your trying to achieve and good for you that you did it. I already said what my problem with you was as I already pointed that out.
I'm a whale as well and I do my own thing and invest in my characters but that's my decision I'm not gonna look at what another person did and just have this attitude like you because they need to meet my standards in order for it to look good. You saying being 60 gives a huge advantage that you don't need to run on element is something I already know you aint the only person who knows this my man but at the same time that's your decision to wanna handicap yourself the whole point of the game is to raise your characters and get stronger and the people who cleared at lvl 60 are not wrong for playing the game normally (LIKE YOU DO) so don't be a hypocrite downplaying them for playing the game as it was intended that's wild and ignorant.
You are correct you having a M1/R1 isnt a realistic expectation but you don't get to make an excuse for that by saying by having it it lets you "showcase rotations and other decisions that need to be taken to achieve such a clear time (like Chain Attack skipping)." Tech I already know btw.
Dont make excuses to give yourself a pass to make your unrelatable stuff you got automatically relatable but you can't that same fairness to the ones who cleared it at lvl 60.
No you are not "uplaying" yourself this is nothing more than ego stroke if you wanted to uplay you could have been a little more humble with the title homie. Good CC's know how to get their point across especially with skill expression videos like this without downplaying others but its seem you are very immature and just need time to grow its pretty obvious.
Idm anyone trying to have fun with the stuff they wanna do but the minute you go about having fun while downplaying those who are also having fun and playing the game normally you swerving in the wrong lane for no reason and you wrong for that.
Looking forward to your next reply. I'll be waiting.
Even with hidden quests (Hollow Zero items, Lumberjack of Justice, The Prophecy, etc.) there's no way you'd be 60 (IK 50+) 3 days ago.
Even now with Ether Batteries I'm not even 49, I don't know where you getting that EXP from but I'd love to know the list of quests I might be missing, as it'd genuinely be of great help.
Unfortunately I don't think you succeed at trying to make me seem bad when so much of your reply are insults. I don't look down on others' clears, but I certainly look down on your attitude, so don't worry, your disdain is mutual.
If your problem is with a slightly clickbait title, which is factually true, and me wanting to highlight a non Level 60 run and feeling pride in it, then sorry but I don't feel slighted in the least.
If anything, you've done a wonderful job at making yourself look far more petty than you try to make me out to be.
@@LinNull Idk who you watched to see they were lvl 50 3 days ago I'm only lvl 48 I could have prob been 50 if I chose to spam the promoting mats stages every reset since they give the most exp while stamina refreshing like the rest do with their f2p currency I've only seen 1 person at lvl 51.
I've only been disk faming since im at the sweet spot with my team though I plan to build my fire team next.
Nowhere am I trying to succeed at anything or make you look bad that's your insecure issue creeping up and a problem only you can solve. You had something to say and I responded to those question in kind. How you came to the conclusion that I was trying to make you look bad is beyond me.
I said "you made yourself look silly" with these one foot in and one foot out responses to excuse why you did what you did and worded your title the way you did. This is like the Iyo situation " I said this" "but I really meant this!"
No the problem isn't you wanting to have pride in what you do, you can have take pride in w/e it is you do but yours was at the expense of down playing those other videos you watched and not being satisfied because they didn't meet your standards BIG DIFFERENCE between the two like I said you are not very mature its obvious from the way you are poorly explaining your reasoning.
The video wasn't click baity at all no need to play the childish game of trying to cover it up under the guise of "its just click bait bro" nah what you worded in that title is how you truly felt towards those people who's videos you watched.
Stating facts and giving constructive criticism on how to not be arrogant and ignorant and do better isn't being petty btw but you wouldn't think to look beyond that but instead feel like I'm attacking you.
@@templeknights "Egotistical prick", "can't seem to wrap it around your thick head", "guess common sense aint common with people like you" - sorry mate but you most certainly are attacking me. It's a perfect valid to express that you feel I'm being disrespectful to others, but when this is how it's conveyed I'm not going to feel particularly moved by what's being said.
We've made our points, I'll see about being more mindful about conveying these things in the future, but so should you, as it definitely doesn't come across as the most productive reply.