Both Microsoft and Apple are ditching their board seats at OpenAI...
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- OpenAI loses the two tech giants from their board. Mira Murati says there is no timeline to release SORA yet. OpenAI starts a project in Los Alamos?
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"We have the people, we have the compute, we have the data, we have everything. We are below them, above them, around them." - Satya
That guy shows his true colors each time he has an interview - the colors of a clown
They also have a letter where practically every single employee of OpenAI have signed that they will join Microsoft if they leave OpenAI. (as part of the Sam reinstatement letter)
The exits are really starting to add up. Something ain't right.
Type shit đ€
Please elaborate
Its a setup, they left and are trying to discredit and ultimately use the info they leeched to further their own systems to hoepfully one day surpass them
what's adding up is they no longer see the benefit. they can't control everything or raid the discoveries before anyone else. so they're going another way with greater control
They each grabbed what they needed for AGI and split before the regulators moved in?
Yes
Sounds accurate to me. Maybe it wasn't a good move to drive the Elon away from OpenAI when first disagreements appeared a several years ago, he'd probably stayed and continued to be a real "big bro" unlike MS and Apple which clearly don't give a f*ck about OpenAI
There is no AGI yet, and not so soon
Microsoft out, Los Alamos in. Yeah, they took the loot before the city guard came in.
A lot of hate for AI companies just extracting more and more from society. Odd there hasnât been any outrage over private equity gutting one company after another đ
That's what corporations are for. You invest heavily to get control and boost growth then you get everything you can and move along
This doesn't bode well. What do they know that we don't?!
They know what every insider and institution knows, that the bubble grew too big, and that they do not want to be around for the crash. Like the cliffhanger game in price is right
@@Rock-tc3qg Yodel-eoohh!
Bio sci? That smells like an Epstein take over
â@Rock-tc3qg more likely open ai model either isn't as good as they claim it is. Or they're not thinking about safety
@@Rock-tc3qg gee i hope so
Gotta get Sora to the Red Tumors...
lmao, teamers
haha! I probably should spot check those ai captions đ
âWeâre giving access to red tumoursâ fuckn excellent
What the lady starts talking about around the 9:00 mark misses something I think a lot of people miss. I no longer worry about model or compute access, but what I do want is training data. Being able to buy batched, tuned training data and transformer layers is what I think the chokepoint and market opportunities will be.
Lina Khan is a blessing. She always makes me feel more optimistic that there are at least some people in the government that are serious about their job.
Only intelligent thing I've heard out of a politician's mouth in a while.
That's her function - to calm people down. ;)
@@virtualalias She even tried against the ActivisionBlizzard MS Deal that is aimed at eliminating Playstation through monopoly of Game Titles. But, She couldn't. It is a deeper game at play.
You all are kidding right? She is looking at things as a way to stifle progress and innovation. She wants governments hands entrenched in AI businesses. Just because she is pointing out some of the gaps and winners doesn't mean she doesn't want control. In fact, she is using those terms to make you feel warm and fuzzy so she can get the governments tentacles in there. Thats the worst possible outcome of AI. Propaganda Sunami.
Blossom
The governments are really more interested in control and power, not the "little guys".
And since when has government intervention been anything other than to destroy things, they certainly don't inject competition.
Most of our politicians will only want to use this as an opportunity to do a bunch of insider trading.
Found the libertarian!
Crazy. OpenAi has to be one of the most dinamic ever changing companies, good or bad, they are sure keeping things interesting đ€
D R A M A
I prefer no drama involving potential civilisation ending techs. Just Sam Altman things
Free marketing lmao
ATM yeah
i think they are pretty much done now that all the talent AND corporate players are gone. the future won't involved openai for the most part. it'll be some other body
Anthropic keep stacking the wins and doing it right đ OpenAI keep tripping up.
But they don't have TTS, image gen, or web search ability. I definitely prefer Claude's prose writing best, but it lacks too many other things other LLMs have or will soon have.
What I actually love about this is that two megalithic and corporations that control much of our lives, partnering with a technology that can really control our lives, scaring the sh*t out of centralized governments that directly control our lives since the Dawn of Western civilization.
Iâm a little different than most because I actually want someone to put the hammer of innovation with all of his tonnage on the pedal to AI to accelerate so fast that it forces our public sector to adapt.
Much of the constipation that various people have over artificial intelligence is around this very ancient human desire to control. Incredibly layered technology is literally level setting, breaking apart all barriers, including governmental regulations.
Thereâs no good guys here. Corporations and Indio need to get pressure by governmental authority. Governmental authority needs to be scared shitless over these corporations who have all sorts of levers to circumvent even the most stringent regulation.
And they need to fight in perpetuity. Itâs likely the only thing that keeps this innovation continuing to run and grow, given the desire of the big players to form a partnership with government so they can protect their monopoly and stifle innovation Itâs nice that they donât get along with each other.
YES, Gov't wants to keep their monopoly of power and control and yet the people are eating up the big companies are bad story. Like everyone in the world is getting chatGPT 4o for free, how can she even say they are only taking and never giving.
Yep. Time for everyone to wake the fuck up and get with the program. No more excuses, no more hesitation, no more fucking around. Let's get to ASI ASAP. This future is inevitable, so why not make it happen now? The only reason anybody tries to delay it is because they're cowards. I guess several decades of hollywood sci-fi entertainment hasn't helped much to prime the population for the real deal.
Great comment - hope that open source can remain competitive, this is really how all established hierarchies and glass ceilings get smashed. Instead of having to bow and scrap up the chain of command in IT departments- they can simply be circumvented with the new tech stack. As you say, the great leveller is here. Actual ability to create and deliver can count again. And I am loving watching the fat cats start to squirm now.
You are dumb and naive if you think that Ai growth is for your benefit or the social sector benefit. China already used such technology to create killer bots and they already said multiple times that we are useless eaters. Ai is only a technology of control that the public sector won't get anything. Even the fact that Open Ai is not that open and transparent and was told by Elon to call it Close Ai is enough to make you question whether this technology is used for us or for them.
They want to use Ai as a technology of control to control our lives. And the government isn't mutually exclusive with Ai either. Didn't they said that they want to have Ai leaders? It will be one big technocrat system with Ai that will control everything as in the Sci Fi movies that we saw. So they want to integrate Ai in the government. The whole thing about digitalization and the new department made in each country has as scope that.
It's essential and great that the governments are taking action to make the Ai playing field open to all instead of just the big players in the Ai industry.
I don't trust Microsoft
You have the best channel for these news. Keep it up
Wait⊠so where does this leave Copilot, Recall and Apple Intelligence?
This is very odd and extremely concerning because if Microsoft leaves, you *really* did something wrong lol.
That's different. Licensing the service vs being in an influential positing WITHIN the company are seperate things. Probably also an IP thing too, where if these companies are observers on the board they could be seen as complicite in any legal actions against openai using copywrite etc.
By leaving they also block Apple from getting the same seat. Trust me they invested $13 billion, they will know exactly what is going on. They are going to have regular meetings which will provide the same use as being an observer on the board. Microsoft has gotten smashed before when it comes to anti-trust, but I bet they be damned that they dropped $13 billion and Apple gets to waltz in and grab the same sweet tech, but how to keep them off of it. This is probably their best move to preserve the power they already have.
@@chumleyk I see where you coming from
nah
Anti-trust?! OPENAI is literally in the pockets of the NSA đ
So you hate your government? Are you one of those "they're gonna take my guns" guys? Lol.
â@@Gen-XJohnny NSA is not our government. We don't get to vote on who runs it, and they have no accountability--they never have to report what they're doing.
@@Gen-XJohnny Read 1984, trusting the government is naive at best, it will be abused
@@Gen-XJohnnyProbably. These types rather would like to lick the assholes of billionaires.
How do you know?
Could have something to do with the us government
yes, governments are stepping in like with nuclear technologies
Now the NSA already got an insider, the intermediaries aren't needed anymore.
I am so, so very happy to see someone in the FTC say something like that. Completely agree!
"we've goven acces to Red Tumors..."
Dude just watch your video once before release. Correcting these errors would really help us disabled people
Unsettling.
Did you know about this!!!?? How could we, we donât have anyone on their board.
Guys, I don't know if it's just my silly impression. But, in this interview she gave, did you notice the look on the OpenAI CTO's face, which was darker and more tense?
Kind of a bit weird to think about them whining about how much of a monopoly ai companies have when there are so many monopolies out there. I mean maybe fix the general trend of monopolies first and then naturally the symptom-aicompanies having a monopy would just get solved.
Just fix capitalism huh? Easy as that
@@DisentDesign cynicism, brought up by supposed naivety?
... helpful or cathartic?
â@@JasonCummer good one, cummer
nah they don't wanna do that the government just wants control over the monopolies
Good luck in solving capitalism. When you do that, please inform the rest of us how you did it. Even if it involved hammers and sickles.
When I tried the TTS in the playground it said I exceeded my quota and refused. So, it is tied to billing.
Thank you.
hi it seems openai is busy with drama not work :) your videos are very helpful to stay up to date with AI news thanks.
Whatever happened to GPt4o being free? I still don't have access all these months later. Things smell fishy over at OpenAI recently.
They are finding out what it means to be a big company with a big product. There isnât spare datacenter capacity just sitting around waiting for a 100 million user app. That capacity will
Need to be built out from scratch. That will need 100k servers plus networking plus power plus, plus,plus. They will need that in at least three locations around the world. That will take sometime to put together. Even assuming itâs Microsoft that will be doing it. Itâs going to take six months. May well take longer. Thatâs also why you canât play with SORA. No conspiracy just how businesses work.
I agree. Just like the new voice model being delayed. OpenAI is starting to sound like it's run by 4-year-olds.đ
They're like, no Spook alignment lmaođ
The whole point of OpenAI was fair use of open source content.
Microsoft and Apple are the explicit opposite of this .
They gate-keep and gas-light frequently.
Youâve not been following OpenAI for the past several years it seems. Theyâve not been âopenâ since 2020, and dropped all pretense with ChatGPT 4 last year, none of whose innovations have been published. (Well, 3.5 neither, but they could argue that was incremental.)
And weâre not even talking about weights here, which youâd think theyâd also publish with a name like OpenAI.
Now what about the NSA seat?
Love the new transitions đ
Wes, Iâm pretty sure that theyâre going to start classifying most of this and handling it like they did the Manhattan project. This has the potential to be much more dangerous than any nuclear weapon. Nakasone is a good indication that the government is taking control.
Youâll still have some toys out here but nothing like whatâs actually going to be developed. itâs too dangerous just to let the public have access to a resource that weâre not sure even how it works yet so we canât control it.
huh, wtf is going on
liking the short format 10 minute videos.
This is very, very weird. $13bill only to drop a board seat? Are they going for plausible deniability in court? Are they angry at Apple's involvement?
Every risk manager at Microsoft and Apple went noooooooope. Not touching that.
Iâm not a big fan of big gov, but sheâs 100% right. Thank you for creating!
A partnership between OpenAI and Los Alamos? This is suggesting to me things are getting real now.
This worries me.đ
Be interested to know how hard of a look the FTC is giving Nvidia then considering the things you hear about how they do business. I don't know much about Lina Khan but the little I do know is good (when it comes to tech at least).
They were forming a Cartel, I like collab in IT industry but not one major and another major coming together like this. We need competition. The only collab I like is making open source standards and software, for everyone.
What do they have to hide for them to leave so quickly?
I want big tech to collaborate but just some oversight to allow entrepreneurs. My main concern is filtering data and information based on their âopinions â. People can all have their own opinions.
If they have direct access to all the board members, they can always make their own interests and decisions known and their investment capacity speaks for itself. Seats on the board are not necessary if you pull strings of board members. That move was to save face and prolong the argument about monopoly for another day when their power is more consolidated. I know people are still calling his company Twitter, but I agree with Elon that they should have changed the name Open AI if that does not reflect how it operates in any way. Now if you told me the NSA board member left because that was a conflict of interests or not good for the public, I would be happy. Of course, you probably wouldn't be making the announcement about Los Alamos then.
Ridiculous to say there's not enough competition. That's what's driving the current progress in AI. I have never seen open source compete with commercial in my industry. It's just never as good. Some innovation might be born in the academic and open source world, but it never gets its full application and utility until it gets into the hands of commerce.
Go watch y combinators lecture "Competition is for losers" at standford. These people are monopolies who want to obscure the fact that they are monopolies so that they can reduce government regulation
Allowing BadApple and MicroShaft to claim, through plausible deniability, that they don't know what OpenAI are planning / up to, because they aren't on the board, is an advantage to MS and A. Of course they are kept in the loop. Follow the money!
10:40 she's very well informed and competent. Imagine GPT-6 used in government - 100x more of her available to help democracy thrive.
I pay for GPT+ and I can't even generate a paragraph of TTS in Playground--it says I've exceeded my quota and to check my plan and upgrade. Really? I haven't even used GPT today yet. I can't generate a paragraph? So, this playground billing setup is separate from the GPT Pro account? Ahhh...so they want me to pay extra for API usage, which that is. Lookin' good OpenAI. I feel like simple usages like basic TTS should be included in my $20 a month. I keep seeing more and more that makes me want to leave GPT.
OpenAI is spreading out into more industries as they are perceived as leaders.
I agree with Lina Khan, that the AI space should be highly scrutinized because it will impact the whole IT ecosystem and dominance will mean dominance in all areas.
She has a very good point that these tech companies extract more and more information from their consumers with less and less responsibility for its use.
this is why they are holding back GPT-5 and Sora... if they continued to whomp everyone uninterrupted, it'd be an easier case to make that they are a monopoly power
GPT-5 probably told them to hold off til this shit passes, Hari Seldon style
The thumbnail makes it seem like something more important than it is. Not a great look.
Just Like that Boom ,10 TTS Companies going Brankrupt
oh my god just release everything to the public already! They're like nerds who've bought the fanciest toys to play with but won't share them unless everyone listens to them for a minute or two.
Missing the point. What they're actually saying is that the product is not ready. It's vaporware. It's either too expensive to use, too slow or too useless. Or all of them at once, which is something I'd actually guess is correct. "Why would you go watch a movie if you can just write your own?" is the stupidest pitch I've ever seen in my life. AI development is being spearheaded by the most autistic self-absorbed narcissists in the world.
There is not enough infrastructure in place to support a huge increase in use. The resources it takes to do that means it will take some time and be controlled only by the mega corps...which also means it stays neutered and highly censored. I'm more interested in uncensored, open source and local. Not at all interested in giving away all my data to these mega corps.
They know something we don't know but we definitely should know.
Maybe the government/NSA involvement?
Something is wrong out there...
What Lina said is very correct. In fact, my product might actually help prevent monopolization.
Like really? We need our national labs, the Department of Energy, our top AI lab and Presidential Executive Orders for this? C'mon that can all be done by Johnson and Johnson, Merk, Pfizer, and Mayo.. Let's get real already.
For a bureaucrat she is remarkably well educated on this technical topic and addressing the right issues for FTC. Why donât we have more smart people like her in govt?
So they will be secret board members... Cool đ
Open Source and decentralizing AI is the only way to keep a future for us all! Otherwise, the few will do what THEY want, while we have no eyes, no ears and no say đđđ
And that's gonna end horrible..
Especially: We should be very selective with the values we teach a soon superior AI. If we base them on apparent human values, we f*ckedđ
What drives me crazy about the supposed dual use bio-tech stuff is that even with AI it wiukd take millions of dollars in lab equipment and a clean room to do any if the things they are discussing. Anyone with the access to the resources to donauch a thing would also have the resources to commit the necessary fraud to circumvent the law.
the only monopoly that has ever existed is Government, therefore I only worry about government creating proxy-monopolies/corruting though companies
The lady made sense.
Probably why Elon dropped his lawsuit. He knows something.
could anyone explain to me why has murati been considered an 'ai expert' (or at least, why did they choose her to be interviewed on this matter) ?
Companies that have boards are usually not above board.
Great idea for safety
The decisions by Microsoft and Apple to drop their OpenAI board seats highlight the complex regulatory landscape surrounding AI and big tech collaborations. These moves are part of broader efforts to ensure compliance with competition laws and foster a more transparent and collaborative environment in the rapidly evolving AI industry.
Nothing weird.
Its a setup, they left and are trying to discredit and ultimately use the info they leeched to further their own systems to hoepfully, one day, surpass them
OpenAI gets criticized for teasing products and then holding them back while they work on safety, and OpenAI has also been criticized for focusing on getting products to market without concern for safety. When you're as big as OpenAI, you're going to be criticized regardless of what you do.
This is a moment
"If they're too big to fail, then they're too big!" Ralph Nader
Perhaps there is an attempt to avoid another tax payer bailout down the road???
Itâs in the stack
Pirates of Silicon Valley already looted that ship.
NSA is taking control.....
us gvt say go out or we will make your life hell
was Murati's microphone bought at ali express? đŁđšđ
I bet the FTC won't have anything to say about Paul M. Nakasone being on that board.
What Microsoft, Apple, OpenAI and also Nvidia and Meta is doing with AI right now, is both really amazing, and really concerning.
It's clear, by now, that this is the next big data gold mine. Just like your search history was too Google.
USA and bio-engineering?
When last time US was playing around bio-engineering we had COVID pandemic.
Better not again.
This company seems very chaotic!
A bit off topic but I wish the presidential candidates were as well spoken as Lina.
The inevitable consequence of a love triangle
How did I get here at 29 seconds?
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LINA Kahn. Not Lisa my guy lmfao
OpenAI has achieved AGI. That was the contract. When they do, Microsoft must drop all their partnerships.
No it has not achieved AGI and not so soon
Pharma should better be on the board. đ
Trying to regulate AI at this stage?
What do I think?
I think it is futile.
Futile is what it is.
Donât always agree with her, but Khan is pretty eloquent on this topic
Eloquence has nothing to do with veracity.
@@allanshpeley4284She is right, though.
The bubble has popped
It was always about corporate espionage, lol.
You would want to watch other people's movies because humans typically enjoy other people's creativity /facepalm
It's surprising what new levels of _weirdness_ and toxicity people will push when it comes to individualism.
Our lab has developed model that ha s world model included can generate up to 10 minutes of totally coherent video in 4k with sound. But it's not ready for prime time.
If you think nVidia is overvalued, just you wait when AI can generate custom porn for average people. We will be long into the 2050's before we satisfy the demand for that compute and maybe then we can do something useful with it.
What about google?
Oh please let's talk about the biggest extractor, the government, how about their share of the holy gdp? Hmmm?
AMAZING video. Iâm STUNNED! J/k, nice work. Have some engagement.
Open AI sux, I asked GPT4 today about the lifespan of gnats, because there are like a million outside and it said I might be violating terms of use... G A R B A G E
đ incredible
Q: What is the lifespan of gnats
Gpt4: The lifespan of gnats varies depending on the species, but most adult gnats live for about 7 to 14 days. Some species may live up to a few weeks under optimal conditions. The entire life cycle from egg to adult may be completed in about four weeks, with much of this time spent in the larval and pupal stages.
Worked fine for me. What are prompting?
Nice fairytale