This video is 11 years old now, but for anyone just starting out with a single stage press, don't get discouraged. You can crank out pistol calibers pretty quickly if you do things in batches. Sit down and resize and deprime a bunch of cases, then prime them, expand, charge and then seat and crimp. If you get a good work flow going you can crank out 9mm relatively quickly.
I like your design for switching the presses on the bench! A press type that was not covered is a single stage with simple linkage, not compound linkage. The RCBS Jr. is an example. Most of these have been discontinued, but you can find tons of them on the used market. For "easy" reloading, such as straight wall pistol or rifle cases, they are GREAT! Plenty of leverage for these operations and because of the simple linkage, the handle throw arc is shorter and faster. My 1973 RCBS Jr. is still in daily use for pistol and straight rifle cases. Single stage presses are great when you handload for a LOT of different cartridges, but not too many of each kind. Change over is a set of dies and a shell holder.
For the Lee Turret press, I use 3"x4" PVC cleanout adapter to store my turret plates with the dies in them. I use my label maker to label them for the cartridge they are meant to hold. It's almost as if they were built for this purpose. The turret plates fit perfectly in the 3" side of them, and they are only a few dollars at Lowes or Home Depot.
I started with the Hornady LNL AP and glad I did. If one wants to start out slow they can, once ready it's easy to crank out 100 rnds in 15 minutes or less.
Excellent vid once again! I started w/a LnL AP press but bought a single-stage a couple of months later for cetain chores best suited to them. I found that powder tends to shake out of the cases on the LnL when they're nearly full (.357 with 2400) and so I resort to single-staging them. For standard plinking rounds, though, the progressive is the only way to go IMO. Please keep the exemplary videos releasing!
Fantastic Video! I am new to the art of reloading, and I just learned more in your 10min. video than I have surfing the web for days. Thank you for that and keep up the great work.
Enjoyed your video, only suggestion I would make is if you actually went thru the steps and loaded a round at each press. This would be easier for those who have never attempted reloading and give them a better idea as to how to start and which to invest money in.
Very informative. I’ve never reloaded but am actually setting a bench in my man cave to do just that. I’m thinking with your videos I can go with the Hornady AP at Christmas time. I plan on reloading.44 mag and 9mm. I shoot USPSA so I’m hoping it’ll save me money down the road.
4:23 what do you mean a tool head for every die i have .223 and 6.5 Grendel rcbs dies will they work with the 4 hole middle reloading system or no and what do you mean by tools if you dont mind
Gavin, I'm so glad I found your your channel and ultimate reloader. I wish I had done s sooner. I just started to reload with the Hornady Lock and load single stage press. Its fine for rifle ammo but pistol ammo reloading is tedious. I think I will be purchasing progressive press and am trying to decide if I should go with the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press or the RCBS 2000 Pro. I would like your opinon ,also where can I get the steel stand you use on your progressive presses.
Subscribed. I think the new ammo bill for California in 2018, there will be new surge of ammo reloaders. Hope to see more of your videos from time to time. I will choose Hornady Lock-N-Load AP as a beginner reloader, I don't have a lot of space for multiple reloading press, maybe one single press for .308 and .338, good choice? My ammos are 9mm, 5.56mm/.223, .308 and .338. A lot to learn, but will be will be worth it as $$$ savings in long time.
Thanks!! your videos helped alot! I finally got my Hornady LnL AP yesterday. Still long way before I can start using. Maybe about 4-6 months, maybe 8 months?, I would start setting it up, when I get other equipment/tools/materials. I don't like rush and regret purchases or keep replacing for something better. Although I would love single press, but I occasionally range with 9mm and .223.
for the $150 a turret kit, or even 250 it costs for a full Loadmaster kit ready to run...theres no reason to go with anything less than a multihole press
Thanks for all of the videos. I’m beginning to wonder about reloading since here in California is hard to find ammunition right now, specially for 38 Super. Between the Hornady and lee loadmaster press, which you recommend? I want to reload 45acp and 38super and possibly in the future some rifle but not sure. Thanks Gavin.
I've been using those T-tracks on other projects and find them really handy. Remember to use counter sunk screws or bolts so the sliding bolts do not catch. Available at Amazon or hobby stores. Great video Gavin! I just purchased and am setting up my Hornady progressive press for the first time and had to have the Inline Fabrication mods as well, just too handy. Have you tried the Dillon powder check and adapter from Inline?
Great video very informative I'm crawling as far as reloading is concerned need set my foundation sort of speak Your bench caught my eye maybe you can explain how that came about in one of your videos.Again great video THANKS
I shoot 9mm .357 .223 243 270 and 30.06 will a single progressive press do all those calibers I have a Lee single stage but want to move to a progressive I think what are your thoughts
It would be a mistake for a newbie to start with a turret or progressive, instead start with a one station press and learn there, on faster machines you'll miss all the bad rounds made and try and shoot them! ie, squibs, overcharged cases, bulged rounds, rounds too long, rounds to short, flipped primers, no primers, crushed primers, under crimped rounds, etc....
Assuming everything is dialed in correctly theres no reason that a beginner couldn't use iether. The turret and the progressive allow for more consistency between loads.
@gavintoobe good as always but you never answered my question. If you're using a progressive press when do you trim the shells? Also, how about a video on finding the right formula/recipe? I measured the bullet seating depth, but I found variations per bullet itself. Your thoughts?
Which one is the most reliable? Given the current state of our nation, I'm thinking reloading maybe a necessity. In bulk. How many thousands rounds can the high dollar machine handle before it breaks, and needs repair?
I need help on choosing a progressive press. Ive been going back and forth on the dillon xl650 or the lock n load. I see positives with both presses and negatives. I would like to have the best progressive press possible. I dont want buyers remorse. I'm load 9mm, 223 and 30-06 at this time. Will have dies for 45, 357 and 308 soon. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
gavintoobe Atleast a 1000 a week. I have saved up enough money to get either press with all the bells and whistles. I have been planning this for sometime and I've been going back and forth between the two. I only have a Hornady classic single stage press. I have put out a lot of rounds on that thing and the time has come for a progressive. I don't want to waste money either but I'm prepared to pay for quality.
Wow, that's a lot of loading! Awesome. Here's the toss-up: the Dillon has a better case feed system for long-haul loading, but caliber changeovers are a total pain, and the priming system is now the safest (almost touching eachother from priming station all the way to the tube). If you go with the Dillon - be prepared to buy two priming systems (you have to dismantle to change between small large otherwise), and dedicated powder measures for each caliber (Dillon powder measure is also difficult for rifle/pistol charge bar swaps). I would think about running the Lock-N-Load AP with a bullet feeder instead of a case feeder. That will get you up and running at the speed of either press with the case feeder. Some things to think about! Hornady is more cost effective esp. when you consider free bullets... Lock-N-Load bushings- awesome.
One more question if you don't mind. Sorry to bug. I'm consider the Hornady now and i know you said the press with the bullet feeder, my question is should i only get tye bullet feeder or should i just get the ammo plant package? Are there issue with Hornady case feeder?
G'day. The second press you review, what is the name of that one? Does it have a Mk4b or No: 2c or any fancy name like that? Was it Lee? I want to reload, .270, .303, .308 win, .300 win mag, .45-70 Gov and 22-250. Will that press do them all? Great info btw. Cheers.
Question for Gavin: How is accuracy affected between the turret press and the progressive? I'm about to get started reloading 556 NATO and a friend of mine says that the only way to reload for accuracy is to use a single stage.... What are your thoughts on which machine to use for loading for accuracy? Can I get away with using a turret type over a single stage? Let me know what you think. Thanks
I know I am not Gavin, but I use singe turret and progressive presses. If I am loading up a few match grade rounds I will use my single stage, just because it's easier to be more precise when all of my attention is on one round and one operation. I will then measure each powder weight and over all length to make sure it's within my tolerances. Those two steps are important to making consistent rounds. With that said both turret and progressive presses allow you to perform both of those same steps during their operation, the only difference being is that you will obviously slow down the progressive/turret press to do those steps. I would say you would do well to get a turret press, and also buy a $20 lee single stage to have for other operations.
If you want accuracy in a progressive, look at the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP- the reason being- it's the only progressive that truly allows the dies to "float" slightly which enhances die/case alignment. It also has a VERY consistent powder measure.
Turret press-4 pulls of lever for one bullet+brass prep. Progressive press-1 pull of lever per bullet+brass prep Single stage-brass prep+priming+sizing+cleaning+powedering+buklet seat and crimp.
Dear Gavin: WHY couldn't you give us a "range" of pricing, so we have an IDEA of how much we might be spending on each press! SHAME on you for NOT giving us this Crucial info! If we had a range of costs you would REALLY have helped us, because some Budgets would determine what press we could afford. NOW, we have to look somewhere ELSE, for this info. If you won't give us approximate pricing, WHAT ELSE are you leaving us "Un-told?"
I enjoy your videos, however you never do a critical review of a product lest you upset a manufacturer. You are more of a promoter of products. One has to look else where for objective reviews. Good luck.Keep pluging away.
This video is 11 years old now, but for anyone just starting out with a single stage press, don't get discouraged. You can crank out pistol calibers pretty quickly if you do things in batches. Sit down and resize and deprime a bunch of cases, then prime them, expand, charge and then seat and crimp. If you get a good work flow going you can crank out 9mm relatively quickly.
You see where I’m coming from
I like your design for switching the presses on the bench! A press type that was not covered is a single stage with simple linkage, not compound linkage. The RCBS Jr. is an example. Most of these have been discontinued, but you can find tons of them on the used market. For "easy" reloading, such as straight wall pistol or rifle cases, they are GREAT! Plenty of leverage for these operations and because of the simple linkage, the handle throw arc is shorter and faster. My 1973 RCBS Jr. is still in daily use for pistol and straight rifle cases.
Single stage presses are great when you handload for a LOT of different cartridges, but not too many of each kind. Change over is a set of dies and a shell holder.
For the Lee Turret press, I use 3"x4" PVC cleanout adapter to store my turret plates with the dies in them. I use my label maker to label them for the cartridge they are meant to hold. It's almost as if they were built for this purpose. The turret plates fit perfectly in the 3" side of them, and they are only a few dollars at Lowes or Home Depot.
I started with the Hornady LNL AP and glad I did. If one wants to start out slow they can, once ready it's easy to crank out 100 rnds in 15 minutes or less.
Excellent vid once again! I started w/a LnL AP press but bought a single-stage a couple of months later for cetain chores best suited to them. I found that powder tends to shake out of the cases on the LnL when they're nearly full (.357 with 2400) and so I resort to single-staging them. For standard plinking rounds, though, the progressive is the only way to go IMO. Please keep the exemplary videos releasing!
Fantastic Video! I am new to the art of reloading, and I just learned more in your 10min. video than I have surfing the web for days. Thank you for that and keep up the great work.
Enjoyed your video, only suggestion I would make is if you actually went thru the steps and loaded a round at each press. This would be easier for
those who have never attempted reloading and give them a better idea as to how to start and which to invest money in.
I've been watching a lot of reloading videos lately. One of the best, wish I had found this earlier. Very informative and easy to follow
Thanks FreeStyle1138!
Man I wish I had a work area that nice and that clean. Have the Forster Co-Axe and the Dillon 650XL
Just learned more from this video than I have in two weeks of research online. Thanks!
Great video , I have the Lee turret and love it, am getting ready to get my second press .just need to figure out whos lol.
Good video ive been Trying to adapt a dillon powder thrower use on hornady lnl press with no success on return rod fitting to press
Excellent video comparing the different types of presses.
Great video. Gave me a very good starting point from which to research a reloader purchase. Thanks for posting.
Excellent video, easy to understand even for a woman :) LOL I"m excited to get started!
so when you deprime/resize, then recharge the casing with a new primer, you dont clean the primer pocket? is it a must to clean the primer pocket
Very informative. I’ve never reloaded but am actually setting a bench in my man cave to do just that. I’m thinking with your videos I can go with the Hornady AP at Christmas time. I plan on reloading.44 mag and 9mm. I shoot USPSA so I’m hoping it’ll save me money down the road.
Good deal! You'll love the Lock-N-Load AP!
4:23 what do you mean a tool head for every die i have .223 and 6.5 Grendel rcbs dies will they work with the 4 hole middle reloading system or no and what do you mean by tools if you dont mind
Gavin,
I'm so glad I found your your channel and ultimate reloader. I wish I had done s sooner. I just started to reload with the Hornady Lock and load single stage press. Its fine for rifle ammo but pistol ammo reloading is tedious. I think I will be purchasing progressive press and am trying to decide if I should go with the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP Progressive Press or the RCBS 2000 Pro. I would like your opinon ,also where can I get the steel stand you use on your progressive presses.
Can you use the Hornady bushing conversion kit on a Dillon progressive press ? Is it worth it ? I am reloading 9/10 mm, 223/7mm Magnum loads.
Subscribed. I think the new ammo bill for California in 2018, there will be new surge of ammo reloaders. Hope to see more of your videos from time to time. I will choose Hornady Lock-N-Load AP as a beginner reloader, I don't have a lot of space for multiple reloading press, maybe one single press for .308 and .338, good choice? My ammos are 9mm, 5.56mm/.223, .308 and .338. A lot to learn, but will be will be worth it as $$$ savings in long time.
Great choice! One of the best presses for quick caliber/cartridge changeovers, lock-n-load bushing system is SWEET. Have fun with it!
Thanks!! your videos helped alot! I finally got my Hornady LnL AP yesterday. Still long way before I can start using. Maybe about 4-6 months, maybe 8 months?, I would start setting it up, when I get other equipment/tools/materials. I don't like rush and regret purchases or keep replacing for something better. Although I would love single press, but I occasionally range with 9mm and .223.
I know that's why my family is getting into reloading, can't stand CA.
Nice bright clear video. Good info. Good job.
Great explanation of differences. Good job on the video and sound.
Can you elaborate a little on your bench? I am curious to the locking track setup you are using to mount/move your presses.
That bench rail system is SICK.
for the $150 a turret kit, or even 250 it costs for a full Loadmaster kit ready to run...theres no reason to go with anything less than a multihole press
Where did you get those bench rails? Someone else had inquired, too without an answer. I want to st my bench up like that for my XL650
It's called T Track. Available at a lot of online hobby shop retailers.
I use heavy duty 3/8 T track from Rockler
Thanks for all of the videos. I’m beginning to wonder about reloading since here in California is hard to find ammunition right now, specially for 38 Super. Between the Hornady and lee loadmaster press, which you recommend?
I want to reload 45acp and 38super and possibly in the future some rifle but not sure.
Thanks Gavin.
I've been using those T-tracks on other projects and find them really handy. Remember to use counter sunk screws or bolts so the sliding bolts do not catch. Available at Amazon or hobby stores. Great video Gavin! I just purchased and am setting up my Hornady progressive press for the first time and had to have the Inline Fabrication mods as well, just too handy. Have you tried the Dillon powder check and adapter from Inline?
Thanks for the video.
Great video very informative I'm crawling as far as reloading is concerned need set my foundation sort of speak Your bench caught my eye maybe you can explain how that came about in one of your videos.Again great video THANKS
I shoot 9mm .357 .223 243 270 and 30.06 will a single progressive press do all those calibers I have a Lee single stage but want to move to a progressive I think what are your thoughts
Great video. Just picked up a Dillon 550B and love it. Your loading bench is great. How do I get the plans for it?
So what's the progressive press featured in this video?
Are they moving clockwise or counterclockwise?
Very informative video, thank you.
Robb.
It would be a mistake for a newbie to start with a turret or progressive, instead start with a one station press and learn there, on faster machines you'll miss all the bad rounds made and try and shoot them! ie, squibs, overcharged cases, bulged rounds, rounds too long, rounds to short, flipped primers, no primers, crushed primers, under crimped rounds, etc....
Assuming everything is dialed in correctly theres no reason that a beginner couldn't use iether. The turret and the progressive allow for more consistency between loads.
I really like your reloading bench, where did you get those linear bench top rails that allow you to more you presses around?
What model # is that small grey Craftsman tool box/drawers in the back there? Thanks!
great video... you have come a long way!!
@gavintoobe good as always but you never answered my question. If you're using a progressive press when do you trim the shells? Also, how about a video on finding the right formula/recipe? I measured the bullet seating depth, but I found variations per bullet itself. Your thoughts?
Why did you avoid talking about the Dillon, which by far is the best press on your bench?
do you prefer a hornady lnl or the xl650?
I didn't know Edward Snowden was into reloading.
Edward Loaden
@@Boulevardfree I hate that I laughed
Top Kek!
@@Boulevardfree that’s horrible. You’ll take my upvote whether you like it or not.
volume is horrible on my laptop...what is that quick disconnect peice for the dies on the redding? thanks and i apologize but cant hear
I just started reloading so any info is appreciated. Thanks.
I'm watching this after my local shop would only sell me a box of 38s... I'll show them dang it.
Which one is the most reliable? Given the current state of our nation, I'm thinking reloading maybe a necessity. In bulk. How many thousands rounds can the high dollar machine handle before it breaks, and needs repair?
I need help on choosing a progressive press. Ive been going back and forth on the dillon xl650 or the lock n load. I see positives with both presses and negatives. I would like to have the best progressive press possible. I dont want buyers remorse. I'm load 9mm, 223 and 30-06 at this time. Will have dies for 45, 357 and 308 soon. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Anthony- both presses have strengths and weaknesses- what's your budget, and how many rounds/week will you load?
gavintoobe Atleast a 1000 a week. I have saved up enough money to get either press with all the bells and whistles. I have been planning this for sometime and I've been going back and forth between the two. I only have a Hornady classic single stage press. I have put out a lot of rounds on that thing and the time has come for a progressive. I don't want to waste money either but I'm prepared to pay for quality.
Wow, that's a lot of loading! Awesome. Here's the toss-up: the Dillon has a better case feed system for long-haul loading, but caliber changeovers are a total pain, and the priming system is now the safest (almost touching eachother from priming station all the way to the tube). If you go with the Dillon - be prepared to buy two priming systems (you have to dismantle to change between small large otherwise), and dedicated powder measures for each caliber (Dillon powder measure is also difficult for rifle/pistol charge bar swaps). I would think about running the Lock-N-Load AP with a bullet feeder instead of a case feeder. That will get you up and running at the speed of either press with the case feeder. Some things to think about! Hornady is more cost effective esp. when you consider free bullets... Lock-N-Load bushings- awesome.
gavintoobe thank you very much i appreciate the help. I'm still a little undecided but this did help me.
One more question if you don't mind. Sorry to bug. I'm consider the Hornady now and i know you said the press with the bullet feeder, my question is should i only get tye bullet feeder or should i just get the ammo plant package? Are there issue with Hornady case feeder?
Good job!
Don't you have to tumble and trim the cases after depriming?
Good info Gav.
Very well done, as always.
G'day. The second press you review, what is the name of that one? Does it have a Mk4b or No: 2c or any fancy name like that? Was it Lee? I want to reload, .270, .303, .308 win, .300 win mag, .45-70 Gov and 22-250. Will that press do them all? Great info btw. Cheers.
lee classic turret
You had me sold on the first one when you said there was a lot of screwing....er I mean...
Well done, thank you
Question for Gavin: How is accuracy affected between the turret press and the progressive? I'm about to get started reloading 556 NATO and a friend of mine says that the only way to reload for accuracy is to use a single stage.... What are your thoughts on which machine to use for loading for accuracy? Can I get away with using a turret type over a single stage? Let me know what you think. Thanks
I know I am not Gavin, but I use singe turret and progressive presses. If I am loading up a few match grade rounds I will use my single stage, just because it's easier to be more precise when all of my attention is on one round and one operation. I will then measure each powder weight and over all length to make sure it's within my tolerances. Those two steps are important to making consistent rounds. With that said both turret and progressive presses allow you to perform both of those same steps during their operation, the only difference being is that you will obviously slow down the progressive/turret press to do those steps. I would say you would do well to get a turret press, and also buy a $20 lee single stage to have for other operations.
If you want accuracy in a progressive, look at the Hornady Lock-N-Load AP- the reason being- it's the only progressive that truly allows the dies to "float" slightly which enhances die/case alignment. It also has a VERY consistent powder measure.
Turret press-4 pulls of lever for one bullet+brass prep.
Progressive press-1 pull of lever per bullet+brass prep
Single stage-brass prep+priming+sizing+cleaning+powedering+buklet seat and crimp.
What loading device is the last one?
Another great vid.
ty for Help
great video
Thanks Joe!
why wouldnt someone want to load rifle ammo on a progressive press
All that screwing really puts me off!!
Everyone sounds so much smarter at 1.75 speed.
★★★★★
Buy Dillon presses ....they are the best
Well, they can be- but not for everyone :) It really depends on what you're doing.
Yeah not everyone has that kind of cash
Or the desire to buy all new dies for the calibers they reload. Every manufacturer has an upside and a downside.
prices????
Prices change- a lot. Take a look online, lots of pricing info available from top online retailers.
Dear Gavin: WHY couldn't you give us a "range" of pricing, so we have an IDEA of how much we might be spending on each press! SHAME on you for NOT giving us this Crucial info! If we had a range of costs you would REALLY have helped us, because some Budgets would determine what press we could afford. NOW, we have to look somewhere ELSE, for this info. If you won't give us approximate pricing, WHAT ELSE are you leaving us "Un-told?"
I enjoy your videos, however you never do a critical review of a product lest you upset a manufacturer. You are more of a promoter of products. One has to look else where for objective reviews. Good luck.Keep pluging away.