What's Better? Tuned XR6T Or Cammed SS.. This Is What Happened
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Welcome to another Episode of Ross Reviews AU on this weeks Video we take out this Tuned FG XR6Turbo & this Cammed VE SS.. Both Manual, Bothe RWD, Both large 4 door Sedans.. one is Turbo, one is a V8! whats the best one??? lets try and find out!
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Had plenty of both types of cars. V8s and turbos. Both special and fun in their own way. I'm actually a JDM fan so in general I'm all over turbos but I must say there's something extra unique and special about sitting in a v8. Most especially when it's cammed. It gives this sense of power that nothing else does. The sound, the car shaking on idle from that big v8 motor with that deep bass rumble. Nothing else like it. Also the torque pull from low of rpms is quite satisfying.
Lumpy cams are always so fun
The Barra engines nothing like any regular high revving Japanese turbo motor has torque too coming from owning a 5.0l vp commodore to owning a bf xr6t the Barra engines much better
Usually v8s are all show no go
you said it perfect
@@cloutdrilla8786 own a cammed 6l and im sure you may be swayed
Nice comparo Ross, each develops the power in its own way. The barra just sounds menacing, while the burble of the cammed V8 sounds mean. Thanks for bringing it to us!
Thanks brother definitely 2 awesome cars in their own ways
They're both great cars in their own rights, but nothing beats the sound of a V8... Up the LS!
Also commodores are friendlier to taller people for vision.
Can’t argue with ya I loved it too
@@Low760 I've sat in both the VE and FG and I got to say, the VE is much more comfortable without that stupid truck like driving position of the FG... Pre FG seems to be okay though
@@RossReviewsau Yep, both cars are great but I'm more of a V8 guy, and you can't beat the sound of a rumbling old-school V8
If the v8 was a vz clubby you would of chose it I just think you have more of a turbo following that you need to keep happy ;)
Absolutely love both cars, they’ll always be equal to each other in my opinion. 👍🏻
Great comment 👏🤝🇦🇺
Thanks, Ross. 👍🏻
You’ll find a ve omega series 2 stock will rip the pants off a xr6 and as for the turbo you throw a turbo into a series 2 ve omega, you’ll quickly find it chops ves you’re welcome,
Honestly, I can respect that. 👍🏻
At least do an SV6 though, the Omega is really ugly in my opinion but you don’t have to agree with me on that.
Also I’m not sure if you’re entirely right on that, because the Barra definitely has a reputation for being fast where the V6 does not.
Was always a Ford guy, hated on Holden for so long. After selling my BF xr6t 2 years ago I decided to look into a commodore and settled on a fully optioned 04 VY Series II Ls1 Manual HBD with just 64.000kms , and ill tell you what ill never look back. Its slower yes ( by a fair bit ) but as for driving experience the SS is so much more enjoyable. Done the usual Higgins Heads and large Crow cam + supporting mods and its makes a healthy 300+rwkw. Cosmo purple with colour matched leather, just hit the 80.000kms. Best car I've ever owned but financially not the smartest car to be driving to work 5 days a week. 😂 Both brands do their thing in their own way, I will always now respect both.
I can fully appreciate this comment! I know exactly what your taking about and it’s why I alway say you need both! Love a good manual V8 👌
Great joy is driving your beast to and from work and then there's the weekend
Mad respect for our neighbouring country and there well built cars. The battle of the the aussie beasts will forever be casted in stone. Been a proud owner of both Fords and Holdens over the years. My final words to 2 of the greatest vehicles ever produced "THE DUST WILL NEVER SETTLE"
Couple of future classics going head to head.. we love it 🙌
Was a fun afternoon
Have had the pleasure of owning both a manual fg xr6t and currently have a vz ss. Very different power plants both great fun cars
Oh man that’s goals 🇦🇺💪
I love your videos so much Ross, so awesome to listen to your opinions and enjoyment in the cars xD Stay safe out there mate.
Thanks, you too!
At 5:22 to 5:33 is so true ! Loving 6450 in Australia and grateful to drive a VE ssv gen 1 manual Ute . These machines always put on a smile and keeps me sane after doing the daily grind . Too much bro
Thanks for sharing!
I wasnt a massive fan of the ve when i was younger. My parents had a 60th anniversary commodore and i hated it. But my opinion changed when i found my series 2 ss wagon, friggin love that thing. Still relatively stock atm kind of reminds me of my first car but way more grunt
The series 2 is a massive upgrade 👌
Great review for two Aussie icons and modified,but traction does come down to tyres as well,you have to run good tyres on the Barra ,only way to get them to hook up,but I know you know that
Yup tires make a big difference 100%
Both have the sound of perfection. Nice review bro👍🇦🇺🍻
Glad you could appreciate both 👏🤝
Two really nice cars, Ross. Thought the turbo’s 0-100 might have been quicker than the SS but not much in it. Both cars would be really nice to own. Both sounded really good. Another great review. Thanks Ross.
I knew the LS would put a better 0-100 down , it’s common for LS to get the jump
, and Barra bringing it home .. which leads to quicker ET’s at the drag strip !
@@lloydchristmas2326 Getting the power down has always been a problem with the Falcon - on a prepped strip with suitable tyres of course the XR6-T would dominate the SS utterly.
The turbo needs to be spooled up to get lift off. Speaking from experience. I had the xr6 turbo..0-100 I thought it was slow 80-180 was phenomenal… fuck I miss it
Manual is at least half a sec slower than auto.
Mine stock will do 4.9
Late model Holden's also have softer rear suspension which helps then off the line but lowers their towing capacity.
I'm a little biased myself owning an F6, but I love the VE SS. That noise is just brilliant. Brother owns one and I'd rather ride in it than mine...
I know the feeling! The F6 is amazing but the noise of a V8
Yeah but hearing a v8 from a holden is just meh now, people look and just go eh typical holden.
Epic review of 2 Aussie icons. That was a fun day :D
Thanks for your help brother
I love them both! I guess it just comes down to personal preference at the end of the day
Yup 100%
Average litres per 100kms 20.9 lol she's had a hard life 😂
🥲
It looked like it was also an ex cop car judging by the "Police" message on start-up
Bought my dads calais v international 6.0L a few months back, when I got it she was using 11 litres per 100km........in about a week and a half she was on 18.4L per 100k 😂
Mines 30l per 100km in a vy SS heads, big cam lol
The winner is who can spend the most on it . xr6 turbos are dirt cheap so they win value factor
Facts is much cheaper to mod the XR6T
A comparison/review for the top shelf. Both of these cars are the bomb in their own right, and both deserve their cred. Cheers.
Thanks Neil! Appreciate the support
Top shelf? This is more like comparing VB to Tooheys New.
Nice video. I have s similar Holden model. Love the V8 sound.
They sound awesome
This is a good comparison of a motor making power as compared to the turbo making power.sure a turbo motor will make more peak power but in 90% of situations that leaves you playing catch up to the car with proper bottom end grunt even if its got less power overall.
The turbo barra makes waaay more midrange torque than a NA LS
Great review mate, gotta say V8 always wins the sound side of these battles 🇦🇺🍺👍
Cheers sumos👏 gotta love a good V8
Here's my opinion
The XR6T is way faster
The SS sounds better
Overall I'd take the XR6T
Yup I think that’s a fair call
i went the other way... ve sv6 6speed.... just added 2 turbos🤙
I've always loved the Barra motors, and they can make stupid power quite easily, but there's just no beating the sound of a V8, especially a cammed V8. And for a street car sound is important when most of the time you're sitting in traffic or at the lights or just cruising along. And that rumble without even needing to get on the loud peddle is unmatched.
A cammed V8 is really something special eh
@ijustcant buyaholdensorry From personal experience if you're not driving like a spanner then even most Cops appreciate a cammed V8.
@@BadManRiRi I’ve always had holdens. Still have my first car vl turbo. Have a vf ss Cammed with around 480whp which is great for the sound. Though have a fgx that the mrs daily drives with 550whp and it’s smoother. Faster. Uses less fuel and with the external gate it sounds so good when you open it up.
V8 is kind of obnoxious at times and draws attention at the wrong times.
Its hard to beat the sound of a cammed v8, good content mate. 🤙👌🙂
Glad you enjoyed it, loved the noise
@@RossReviewsau Ross I have to say when it comes to a Cammed and done up Boss 220 or 250 nothing cam beat it in my opinion
Doesn’t like the heat though.
RESPECT for both beautiful BEASTS..
amen bro..
Been done a thousand times . Bang for buck can’t beat the barra
Will cost $12-$14k minimum for a reliable set up to achieve 400+ rwkw. Wouldn't say they're great bang for buck, definitely not the cheapest to mod that's for sure
@@94toxic94 sorry that is very incorrect . Throwing that much coin at a Barra would see quite abit higher than that .
Reliable is a very relative term . Everything is reliable until it isn’t
@@ooplaalast4939 Which is why they are super popular. Cheap to get massive Ponies, & super reliable. I personally love a raspy well tuned 6!!
@@ooplaalast4939 really?? Ok let's do a quick list for 400+. Intercooler+piping $1600+, exhaust $2000, head studs and valve springs $1100, fuel pump $600 or twin surge tank if running e85 so it doesn't surge if you want to be safe $2700, injectors $500, airbox $700, fuel gfb gauge $200, actuator $200. Then add in labor and tuning costs. Probably have to upgrade the turbo on non fpv models so at least $1k there. That's easily close to $10k right there and that's if you go the 460 fuel pump and not surge tank. If you want to gk cheaper then go ahead, it won't last. Then on top of that people forget, you need to upgrade the tail shaft as that'll go making that much power. Don't even get me started on the zf. So yes don't tell me there you'll make 1000hp with $12-$14k. Will be lucky to see 400 under $10k
@@94toxic94 you have no idea what you’re talking about, just stop.
I had a boat v8 crown vic cop car. It was great i was about to get some new tires for it so i decided it was time for the old tires to get recycled. I was at a stop sign waiting like a cop. Next thing ya know bam stood on that pedal and bursted the belts off those tires skidded around the corner and eent straight to the tire shop
Regardless, you just can't beat that sound @ 2:24.... so good.
You gotta love a V8
As a Ford enthusiast I respect the Holdens though I’ve never owned one.
Still beautiful cars
Good stuff gotta love em both
Great video. You will have to track down a turbo or supercharged LS to drive next 👍
I’m keen on a turbo LS eh!
If you would've done this back when they got released you'd get a very different response these days and aussie car is now just appreciated for what it is.
Still a lot of rivalry but yes we are starting to see appreciation for all Aussie made cars now 🙏 well deserved
Amazing video I would just like to know where you ever do a review on a Holden Commodore VN SS and SV6
Thanks ken.. I’d love to just need to find one
there's a VE getting around near me that sounds absolutely wicked. i feel like this one in the video might have more power, but the one getting around near home just sounds mint. he's always out doing skids at night too so i hear it going ape shit nearly every day haha. those v8s definitely sound nicer than I6s, but i reckon i'd take an XR6T over commo v8 any day. also going on torque figures, the I6 makes retarded torque numbers. i know a fella with a BF XR6T, last dyno sheet i saw was 335KW and 1001NM at the wheels. i wouldn't be surprised if that XR6 makes more torque than the Commo
Sound will always go to the SS but the speed generally goes to the Barra turbo
BarraT goes hand in hand with the ZF6Speed..
The more the power the harder it is to gain traction.. My old G6ET would spin through almost 3 gears before having any kind of grip, but as said in the video they are roll monsters..
Yup can attest to all of that 👍
Your g6et had a single spinner diff unless it had been upgraded to a lsd. Open diffs always suck
Well done mate
Thanks 🙏
So good advertisements and all the info we already know. Such a great vid
glad you enjoyed the ads and the info you already know ;)
Nice review man, what road did you film this on? Keen to cruise it haha
O’Brien rd 👌✅
Great vid, little request. More volume...i want to hear those engines more!
Appreciate the feedback brother
What can I say Johnny mate 2 Aussie classics right there lol,I'd own both if I could absolutely beautiful cars both with their own + & - top review loved it man.
Knew you would love this one
Pretty much spot on there, the LS always gets away at the start but the barra always reels them in… usually once the back stops squirming around an gets traction is about the time when they start getting bigger in the mirrors 👌
Yup exactly right
The ss first then barra and then if the track is long enough the ss again
Not true.. a F6 has a huge surge of power that hammers the SS.
@@matthoffmann4216 bro did u watch the video
@@hunteranderson8924 yeah I did.. that’s not an F6.. bro
Thanks for the video!
Lol that xr6t still has the police banner on the dash... "Unlocked".. No "over speep off" displayed... I'd love to buy one like that because when I was working stripping police cars we had to remove that as part of the job.. use some handheld computer device to plug into the OBD2 port, the device was called "Oracle" or something.. long time ago.. around 2014..
Yea ex police car 😅 glad you enjoyed the video
Maturing is realising both cars are legendary
your so right mate! gotta own both to be a true legend
Up the LS & BARRA can't go wrong with either.
I'm in the states so closes thing I can get to a Barra is a 2JZ-GTE or B58. But the displacement is what makes the Barra special. The extra displacement gives it more tourqe.
But yeh a VE or any Holden if you spend the money on coilovers and whiteline everything it dies really well. Alot G8 guys over here throw the whiteline catalog at it with some crazy coilovers and man they are crazy fast around a track.
Holden has always had pretty decent handling just needs a little help is all.
The VF is a different story those are monsters around a track stock. So alittle tweaks here and there you got a weapon with a V8.
thats the way David! both are absolute weapons and deserving of the legendary title they hold! all comes down to preference and money lol
Awesome comparo Jon, I feel like if you own both of these in your garage you've made it, the best of both camps.
Spot on brother!
I've got a VE SSV Manual and I love it, but I would absolutely love to own a FG XR6T as well, I would go Auto in the Falcon though.
That video makes me wish I didn't sell my VE SS. I had it for 12 years and 310000km, sold it when I bought my new WRX in 2019, should've just put it in the shed and put a cover over it.
You should have 🥲
I think it had a bit too many kays for it to be collectable... I would've just enjoyed it like you had
I’ve got a ss and all the good stuff 480 rwhp but I had a f6 and I loved it also both incomparable the f6 more torque just love them both
Absolutely gotta love em both
Haha look at the reactions v8 0-100 brings tons of smiles whereas the XR is a bit of a yawn. The v8 all day, sounds so nice with that cam! XR6T was awesome back in the day with small mods getting them into the 11's.
Agree if you want speed go turbo.. if you want smiles V8 is a really good choice with that noise
I was always a V8 guy back in the day, had a VZ SS. I now have a turbo Subaru brz and absolutely love watching the stunned look on the faces of all SS and xr8/xr6t owners as my 2L 4cylinder brz pulls away.
Bahaha line up against somthing with abit of juice mate. I havent had a Subaru of any sort keep up with me
@@Proey7 yeah no doubt if something had a lot of $$$ dropped into it I'm sure that would make a difference 👍
I had mine out at the bend tracking it a couple weeks ago and even had a couple GT-P that couldn't keep up either. I had 1 mustang there which I assume by the sounds coming out the back of it had a lot of work done & that was a bit quicker down the straight but as soon as we hit the corners I went straight past under brakes and quite a bit quicker through the corners.
Interesting I like BRZs especially if boosted.. I’m curious on how quick it would be
@@Proey7 power to weight can be a levelling factor.
stock xr6 1710kg and 240kw (140 watts per kg)
stock brz 1276kg and 147kw (115 watts per kilo) Blakes BRZ will only need 179kw to achieve the same power as a "stock xr6". considering the turbos Blake has more then 179kw and I have a funny feeling you have some work done. let me know who wins...
I’d take the xr6 for power and looks but the commie for sound and fun, the Barra makes good power and I personally love the look of the falcons better (mainly the mk 1’s) but the sound of a V8 and the fun they provide is 10/10
Yup sport on comment mate
The Mk1 FG does look tougher over the Mk2, certainly a future classic!
Awsome match up ross, my favorite V6 vs my favorite V8 sedan both sounded awsome but nothing beats the sound of a V8.
thanks :)
Straight 6 bud 😊
so damn good mate!
😈😈😈
Im more of a Holden man but I really love the FG F6 models
Gotta love em eh
I've owned both and love both. I could never pick between them.
both is the correct answer
This is my new fav video from you ay 😂
🙏🙏🙏🤙🤙
hey dude where did you film this? i live in perth too looks like a nice spot to drive
Both nice cars. But as a SSV owner I know where my votes goin. Great video btw.
Glad you enjoyed it!
yooo that holden ss sounds so good omg 🤤🤤🤤
Gotta love a cammed V8
I had an fg manual turbo ute, then I had the fg auto turbo ute, The auto would reel off around 4.8 stock for me, the manual around 5.1 stock. I modified the Auto ute I had to 460rwkw and the best I could manage was a mid 5 with the same rubber. Sometimes Less is more lol (Below 100 on the street)
i want to get into drag racing for fun and build a track car i was looking into a BA xr6 turbo, but then i watched cletus and McFlurry and now i want a 7.3L Ford Godzila crate motor in an Incredible AU lol, i have been down the R33 rabit hole but the V8 Noise just sounds beautiful.
I've owned both in stock form, BA XR6T (auto) and VF SS-V (manual).
The Ford had horrible build quality and spent a lot of time back at the dealer for warranty work, the auto transmission and entire driveline was clunky and tractor-like, but when it came on boost it was a maniac and thrilling to drive, but borderline dangerous when overtaking under hard acceleration due to wheel spin.
The Holden was built beautifully, almost no warranty problems, and the 6.0 litre V8 was satisfying and effortless to drive and would just pull hard straight off the line, hill climbing often didn't require changing down gears, it just exuded strength and competence and sounded beautiful even with the factory exhaust.
It's sad neither are manufactured anymore as there will never be anything like them.
Comparing a BA to a VF tho😅 but agree the VF was really spot on
I can’t live with turbo lag. The response from a 6.0 litre naturally aspirated at all revs is so much more satisfying.
The noise is the best from a V8
Barras don't have much lag at all unless you got a massive turbo. My Fg has full boost just after 2k rpm.
The big 4L carries it to boost pretty well.
@@connorwichman2506 pretty much. I have an ss and a fgx g6e. Auto fgx manual vf. Two different cars. Ss good if you want to put a show on in traffic with the sound though for speed. Acceleration etc the fgx is so much better. External gate makes it 1000 times more fun to drive than the ss. And when you’re at speed and want to accelerate the v8 is a nugget compared to it.
I’ve had v8s for a decade and best thing I did was get a fgx. Way more reliable. Doesn’t run hot like the ls. Better fuel economy with the ability to put down almost 100hp more.
Only have it as my son loves the v8 for cursing
Finally people who don’t argue it their both beautiful cars Aussie icons
Amen both epic
I have to say, I love them both Ross lol
Me too mate
A future review has got to be the legendary XR8 Pursuit 250! Only 250 were made. 5.6l stroker. Do it!!
I’m keen
Cant beat that barra
It’s a magical engine
Hoooooh icon rivals at it again ❤
Australias best
Modified fords and holdens aren’t about 0-100 times. If you want a quick consistent launch, keep them stock. It took me lots and lots of practice and abuse to get my cammed manual vf to 4.0 seconds on street tyres. Then all it takes is a tesla to blow your doors off lol
0-100’in these is not really where it’s at it’s the 60-120 that’s addicting
True have you ever thought about replacing the 0-100 with 60-120 on your videos? The dragy lets you choose any speeds you want
I love the power from Australian cars. We never had.proper.power, from the Fords and Vauxhalls in Europe and the U.K.
It’s a shame the Aussie cars never really got shared around the globe
I've had turbo cars and they were fun, but there's nothing quite like a worked V8. Tuff as 💪
It’s a fair statement the noise of a rowdy V8 is hard to pass
Love my SSV.
They are very nice
My Ve SS tows the boat effortlessly....luv it
good stuff
If both car's are AUTO i take XR6 Turbo. I love to see a Cammed XR8 5.4 Boss Engine.
Yes I’m auto form the falcon is superior with the ZF for sure
@@RossReviewsau would you what Auto transmission the Holden SS ran on ? 2008-2014 versions
@@anishchand4420 not sure which one it is, but I know its 6 speed auto with tiptronic. It also "rev matches" kinda when you downshift, I found it interesting.
Regardless the outcome, nothing beats the V8 sound and feel
gotta love the rumble
Cammed SS all day long. Sounds way better than the six banger. Hard to beat that idle.
A good cam is something special eh
the ss just sounds so much better
It does
How cool is we once had the option to buy either of these cars new
It’s sad we no longer make cars 😞
The VE is easier to get in and out of if your big n tall.
The V8 sounds glorious , but I'd take the 6 turbo
I think that’s me too
Just install a turbo on the V8
@@kajak012 could buy another car for that cost. Plus the heat in the bay goes through the roof. Can’t daily it. Fuel use goes through the roof and your ac will be blasting air as warm as piss
@@lukeneill1568 ac blasting warm air?
Hey there, Love your videos!! 👌👌 btw can I know that placed please 🙏 looking for a good road for a weekend drive in perth😀
It’s in Gidgegannup
that year VE as an SS wagon 🤤 it's tough.
Would love a comparison between a holden and an audi wagon at the same price. would love your opinion.
Hey Ross, looking at cam options for my car. Got anymore details on that car? Exhaust size, stock clutch, mild/big cam?
Sorry not sure 🤔
Ross I watch another channel who owns a VF and VE he loves them. Just won't marketed it right over there. Both awesome car's for different reasons 🌹💯👏🏆
Spot on mate both equally good
Crumbs! If you ignore the lag, that turbo moves once it's on boost. Impressive, though the lag perhaps not so much.
Turbo lag is a thing with them 🥲
Comes on at 3k not much lag
I actually have one of each! Both are really fun in their own ways.
Your living the dream mate
the sound of that SS is pure jizz nectar! seriously amazing. There really is no substitute for naturally aspirated V8 power and noise. I love falcons but personally thought this one sounded pretty average. If you are talking about a Barra swapped Patrol though...thats music to my ears :P
Barras never sound amazing to me.. just depends on the turbo set up.. but yeh the V8 🔥🔥🔥
Cool location, Brock memorial. Ill take the V8 every time, doesnt matter to me if the 6 is quicker.
You know the spot 🤝🇦🇺
Holy smokes. I’ve been a passionate Ford man since the mid 70s, and respect to the Barra, but no matter how you tune them they sound poxy. And the ones that only have free flow exhaust are ghastly
The V8. Holden, Ford, whatever - nothing beats the sound and feel of the V8
Both beautiful cars. Kinda just what you like. XR6 Turbo is an awesome car and the commodore ss is no different. Kinda depends whether your into v8s or i6s. I’d take the ss, sounds so good 🤤
Yup can’t go wrong with either
Why not just have one of each? ;)
Love a cammed v8, but 6s can also scream some almighty lovely notes too!
@@petezappa8748 that’s the dream! Barra at high rpm can definitely scream some nice engine notes!
as ford lover, i’d take the cammed ss any day of the weak, tougher, cheaper and just and absolute weapon. 👌🏼
That’s a fair call!
In other words your a turn coat
It’s cheaper for a reason. Own one and you’ll see wh
You can tell which car Ross likes the best. the turbo must be funnier to drive , but up the cammed ss
Both are so good in their own way
i wouldnt mind seeing how my VF SV6 black edition with twin turbs at 504hp would stack up. Does a 10.78 Quarter
Even though i love my VF, the mighty Barra is an amazing engine and so easy to slurp up the boost!
Damn sounds like a beast bro!
Great video ve all the way
Cheers
Like you said both are different in the way they put power down, Im a V8 hoon all the way but I love turbo barras too so i would own either I currently drive a cammed VY SS.
lovely mate! my fav is VZ tho.. both are great in different ways
I love how these two cars are Aussie
VE HSV GTS is the 6.2 litre LS2 BIG brother to the Little VZ! sibling
Holden man here - Those turbo barras, to me at least, are frightening at full noise.. even a stock one
They go HARD on full boost
@@RossReviewsau they sure do, I nearly shit myself everytime
Jesus Ross tell whoever owns that awesome fg to give it a wash 😂
Love the videos mate.
Go the barra 🤜🤛
I didn’t have time to wash it sadly 😅
@@RossReviewsau lol mate Shouldn't be up to you.
I'd definitely would make time.
Beautiful car 😉😍
up the barra what a beast
this one really is a weapon