Chloe Price reduced to cameo. Life is strange: Double Exposure livestream discussion & analysis.
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- Chloe Price is not here and she should be. In this video I analyse the video, reading between the lines to deduce the obvious, that our choices have not been respected.
#lifeisstrange #fortheloveofchloe #maxcaulfield - Hry
100% agree
Either Chloe is in the game or I walk
They can’t just reduce Chloe to a cameo or a name drop she’s too important
I don't even mind that they want to tell a new story, even with Max alone. I just don't want that story to necessitate dimissing what came before and what has been so meaningful to a lot of people. Personally I'm not even asking for much; just allow us to have their bond or relationship still intact, if we so choose, even if it's in the background. Just don't canonize them splitting up just to create room for new romances. Their story isn't that replaceable and shouldn't be treated as if it is.
Well said, I think so too
Exactly this we should be able to have more romance options obviously because it is a Life Is Strange game, but we should also have the option to say neither and keep our relationship with Chloe if we saved her well also making the story meaningful enough to play over and over again
Bruv... it's a story. This is realistic. People break up all the time. And they can't put her in the story since in one timeline she died.
I completely agree very and this is the point that needs to be made
If you want to romance people besides Chloe
Then you can do so in the bay timeline but let max keep her girlfriend
@@jasonbourne4784 it’s not like it’s impossible to have one version with Chloe and one version without just look at mass effect with Kaiden and Ashley Williams
Yeah i also found it kinda questionable that they say that it's fine to jump into this game without knowledge of the first one.
Ikr, it’s like saying what happened before didn’t really matter, but it does.
To be fair, all the LiS games are like that. Like, for example: you can play True Colors Wavelength without playing Season One. But if you did, the mention of the storm that happened in Arcadia Bay and the trauma that haunts Steph with it feel so much more meaningful if you did. But you have the ability to continue with any choice you made before. It's all left to the player.
@@Misty25939 i might be wrong since i haven't played true colors, but LIS: True Colors isn't directly connected to LIS 1. so you really don't need to know the whole story of LIS 1 to understand true colors, because the whole story of true colors is shown in the game. however, double exposure is marketed as a sequel to LIS 1, then of course you should know about LIS 1 to understand double exposure. are you able to watch, let's say, stranger things season 4 without watching all the other seasons? no, because you wouldn't understand anything.
@@fefe_10 I think in Double Exposure's case is that you *can* play season 1 to connect more with it, but you don't have to. Hence the new characters, town and Chloe being MIA. This is most likely another self-contained story.
You people really thinking that they aren’t just keeping Chloe under wraps as a surprise, and genuinely thinking they would reveal their entire hand during the live stream? The stuff of Chloe we saw in the live stream is absolutely not all we’ll be getting if her.
It’s obvious they’re keeping stuff under wraps and they wouldn’t just give everything away before the full release lol.
Also remember, the Farewell DLC for Before the Storm that brought back Max? Who’s to say Double Exposure won’t also have DLC content like for Max and Chloe. Even true Colors had an extra DLC episode.
Also the game isn’t just releasing a decade later, the timeline is set a decade later. She an actual member of the staff at that college, it makes sense that she and Chloe wouldn’t be constantly attached at the hip ten years later and want to have their own aspirations in life even if it means they aren’t always together. Chloe would have wanted Max to go to work at that college if it’s what she really wanted, even if it meant Chloe didn’t follow. I’m sure if you chose Bae ending they keep in close touch.
This is what I'm saying dude. Obviously what they've shown is what they want us to see. I mean there's always the possibility we won't get much, WHO KNOWS but I highly doubt it. I think they're keeping stuff from us and get it more than some people want to give them credit for. Maybe im indenial, but I feel like something big is in the works and being kept for when we actually play the game. I don't think they'd be stupid enough to not include chloe considering atleast half the fanbase from the first game sacrificed a whole town for chloe lol. But only time can tell, can't wait to see what this new game brings to table. All I know is we eating good
I hope because they could lost of fan, who like all the life is strange game, and who have a really connexion and enjoyed the first one
How are they gonna put Chloe in the game if in one timeline she died? And from what I heard, True Colors' DLC was short and lame.
@@jasonbourne4784
Hmm you heard wrong, it’s definitely not lame, and isn’t considered lame by most. I only mentioned Before the Storm and True Colors because they both got an extra DLC chapter, and who’s to say that Double Exposure won’t have Chloe DLC content? Also they said Double Exposure will honor both endings and you’ll get stuff from the universe that Chloe survived.
@@jasonbourne4784 Game developers have been putting characters in games that died in some people's playthroughs of previous games for years. There have been entire subplots that only some players see because other players either let a character die or in some types of games never recruited them.
It is likely that DeckNine will not go down this route because game developers in general have gotten lazy about this kind of content, but that doesn't mean it isn't feasible.
Okay but we don't know guys. They specifically said that both endings will be respected. We don't know what they will show towards the end, and they can't even fall into spoilers. If the ending where Chloe survives must be respected, they cannot limit themselves to a photo and four text messages and nothing else, because otherwise it would be a joke, she is alive but it is as if she were dead. In my opinion there will be something more, but you have to buy the game and play it, I'm not stupid.
I love Chloe. Can't imagine a game with Max, but not Chloe. Without her, there wouldn't be such an emotional and amazing story in the first place. I hope they really do respect our choice and include her in this new game. At least a few physical appearances. Not just memories or a goddamn photo. She is much more important than that.
I agree Chloe needs Max, they need to be together in any way, noone can be better than Chloe
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As a person who chose to sacrifice Chloe it would be messed up if Deck Nine choose to canonized that ending it would be like your choice didn't matter at all that you save Chloe.
People are making excuses that it doesn't make sense for them to be together given the trauma they had & i say NO people with trauma in a relationship is challenging but not impossible.
Everyone choices should matter & the outcomes should honor both parties.
interactive video games based on choices that you picked should matter because you are the one who chose that outcome.
You shouldn't be force to choose a romance option because you chose to be with Chloe.
It shouldn't be rewritten & explain why they aren't together anymore because thats not the outcome you chose.
It's lazy writing.
If people pick to save Chloe it's revealed your not together in LIS4 then you question yourself why did i pick that ending to sacrifice a town to be with her?
The issue isn't that Max is not with Chloe.
The issue is did my choice matter that Max is not with Chloe?
That being said do I think Chloe will be in the full game no she'll likely get a cameo.
Max may have been the main character in LIS1 but it wasn't her story it was Chloe.
But can the people who saved Chloe get a dialogue option to say they are in a relationship even if she's not in the game?
It's not that hard.
I HARD agree with what you said here. If they “respect” both endings, Chloe MUST be one of the main characters, otherwise what was the point in even saying they would “respect” both endings? Also, I’m not saying that Max can’t have other best friends than Chloe, but doesn’t it seem strange how most of the attention seems to be focused on Safi, not Chloe? The both of them went through their entire town being destroyed and losing loved ones. A bond like that is EXTREMELY strong, so it would very odd if Chloe wasn’t one of the leading cast.
When they said that you can play Double Exposure without playing Season One, I firmly believe them. After playing True Colors, I think Double Exposure is definitely in the right hands. So, I'm not worried at all about previous choices being honored. These devs are excellent story writers, and I trust their decisions.
The reason why Chloe probably will just get a slight cameo at best is very simple. Double Exposure seeks to create a completely new story arc. And the best way to achieve that would be to focus the most attention on it. If you put too much attention to the drama that took place in Season One, the main story will lose focus. It'll devolve into a grieving fest that will drag on like the crappy Spiderman fan film Spiderman Lotus. Max isn't someone who let's such things rule over her life like Chloe did. She actually has the ability to move on with her life. So a scenario where she lives in a completely different city in a different state while Chloe is doing something else makes perfect sense to me. Max is a very emotionally powerful person.
I agree that max is an emotionally powerful person - no doubt - and her personality, from what I’ve seen so far seems completely in check. The visuals look stunning and I’m definitely drawn to the game but what would intrigue me more is how Max has coped with the decisions she’s made in the past. If she destroyed the bay it would eat away her - she would struggle to adapt and cope. If she saved the bay she would have grief over Chloe - I’m also interested in what happened immediately after the first game. I hope this game has some good answers, but I can’t help but be disappointed that max and Chole are not adventuring together and what that means for the people who chose to sacrifice an entire town for Chloe.
@@TheGamingPsychologistWould you be satisfied if One Or Two out of the 5 chapters has a Full on Max and Chloe Adventure? Or do you need it to be like the First game where they’re together every Chapter?
Also do you want Max’s OG Rewind, time jump and freeze powers to Return? I most certainly do! Perhaps in a Flashback, We do hear the storm convo again in the extended gameplay video for this game.
I also want to see Max Wearing that ‘Jane Doe’ graphic pink tee again!
Honestly, chloe already had her own game. It could have been something like a dlc or "wavelengths" but she had an entire BTS, and I'm fine that they're moving forward to introducing new characters.
For those who bring up BTS every time, that was a PREQUEL and we knew very well why one was there and the other wasn't. This is a SEQUEL where they declared that every ending will be respected. For all of us who chose to save it it's obvious that we want to see her again, then there's you who probably murdered her on a bathroom floor, thanks for not giving a damn whether the character is there or not. It's a question of coherence, if the ending has to be respected you have to see substantial differences, not nonsense. Because almost certainly the fact of the photo kept by Max will be there regardless of the ending chosen, so what would be the difference?
I love Chloe as a character
Why would the choices not be being respected? Chloe appearing would be a big middle finger to all the players that decided to, even loving the couple, save the whole fucking town because... you know, hundreds of dead people?
Ask about "where's her trauma?", when the game isn't even released, doesn't make much sense.
Think that this story is NOT an inmediate sequel to Life is Strange 1. Years passed between the two stories. Probably Max learned how to deal with the trauma (the trauma of Arcadia Bay destroyed or the trauma of Chloe dying). If you chose to save Chloe, perhaps they were together for a while and then ended their relationship. You said it yourself in 1:36 : maybe it didn't work out. She has a picture of Chloe on her wallet, of course she still remember. If they broke up, maybe it was on "good terms", and players that choosed to save her would learn what happened.
And there is also a much more mundane reason for Chloe to be treated this way: the studio is not going to animate the same game twice, the assets, the dialogues, just to include a character that is only in one of the versions of the story.
Max and chloe just breaking up would be some of the laziest writing i have ever seen. Im hoping that in one of these timelines, chloe will be alive and the other she will be dead. Perhaps the final choice will again be saving chloe or safi
@@duckydoombringer9206 Why laziest? People come, people go. Years happened between the two games. They can't program a whole game including Chloe because it would be ignore all the players that choosed save Arcadia Bay, and of course they can't program two games in one.
It doesn't make sense that final choice because 99% of the player would probably save Chloe because it is Chloe.
@@msammaYT I just don't think chloe and Max would leave each other. I know realistically relationships change and time passes but Chloe's whole thing is that she is sick of people leaving her. When you choose her over the bay she says "Max, I'll always be with you. " it's just really narratively unsatisfying to have that be our last scene of them and the just have the devs be like "oh but they broke up lol."
I got turned off on this game the moment the option came up to describe Chloe as either past friends or highschool sweethearts. Like where is the option for "I am madly and deeply in love with this girl and I sacrificed an entire town to be with her"?
I really wanted Chloe to be the Watson to Max's Sherlock soooo bad.
Great video, I really agree with your points. I didn’t sacrifice a whole town for Chloe not to be present in my life. The developers seem to have missed the point of the original game way too much, it’s all become a cash grab by now. I would’ve preferred no lis 1 continuation if it were to look like this.
I just think it’s weird that after saving Chloe in the end and they drive off together, this next Max game starts off without Chloe. It’s like Batman without Robin
Pretty ironic that Life Is Strange was all about letting go of the past and a lot of the fans can't let it go about Chloe 😂
the first game can still be played, why are they whining that chloe will (probably) just be a cameo or mention or a text when before the storm, max was literally that
I agree with you, I am extremely worried to the point I'd rather this game not exist in such shape - if it's gonna deminish the meaning of the first one
Exactly.
Max could have had a fallout with Chloe after the fall of Arcadia Bay. Especially since Chloe loses her mom in that storm.
Absolutely. There were would have been some intense emotions following that incident, for sure.
No, It is Immpossible. In that case, there was no photo of Max and Chloe in David's trailer in season 2
@@TheGamingPsychologistDo you think they’ll do a flashback of Max and Green Haired Chloe in NYC? Like it was referenced in Lis 2. You could also have a fun moment where you try to use Max’s rewind powers but Max kinda breaks the 4th wall and says ‘Nuh-uh’ or something like that! 😂
Perhaps a DLC.
Yeah, so far there will be mentions of Chloe, but that doesn’t prove that she won’t be in the game at all. We still do not know enough about the story and what happens other than Max’s power and Safi’s death.
Yes that’s right but from what we’ve seen it looks highly unlikely Chloe will play a pivotal role in the game.
@@TheGamingPsychologist Unless they are keeping her under wraps. IMDB slipped up revealing the actors for Mark Jefferson and Eliot casted (their names have been taken down for now).
They honestly should've just leave Max alone and make a new Life Is Strange game with a new character. What is the point of returning Max? Especially when they say that you can just jump into the game without playing the first one.
I’m guessing we’ll get a “did you sacrifice Chloe or the town in the first game?” Question at the beginning like we did in Life is Strange 2 and if you choosen to save Chloe, well, talk with her on the phone or maybe something like FaceTime. If we chosen to save the town, we’ll probably do the same stuff that we would do if we saved Chloe but instead of Chloe, it would be Warren.
It's funny in ln Life is Strange I Played Max as Gay,Bi and as Straight as the Story allows Max. When in came down to deciding Chloe's & The Town's Fate. I Chose Chloe. My thinking, even if Max saw Chloe as a Bestie or even a sister she would still save Chloe. The only change in the paythroughs was adding Warren as a love interest, All it added was a more meaningful goodbye kiss in the diner before saying farewell to Warren. I still tell myself Kate was not at ground zero and was still waiting for her parents to pick her up from the hospital,even though they most likely did not make it. Speaking of I wonder if they will mention what happened to Kate. She was the only reason I hesitated on sacrificing the town.
Max was less than a cameo in Before The Storm (outside DLC), why can't Chloe be in this one?
Chloe got enough screen time, bfs (her own game), Lis1. I respect their choice to move on with max she is now in university and for that reason she doesn’t see chloe as much, very realistic if you ask me.
I want to assume that they are only giving us the bay ending clips. Lis2 already this l told us that they are having they're happily ever after, the comics show is a version of that happy ever after. It makes no sense to cut her out entirely. Yes we see a picture of her and a conversation where your options are we WERE friends or we WERE high school sweetheart. If this is the choice you get for a bae ending I'll be PISSED. but they literally made a game about her because they know how important she is to the series. It would be dumb to not include her in some meaningful way.
what Im xonfused about is how will romance work. Usually the protagonist choose between a male and a fenale, but what about those who thinks pricefield can not be broken?
Okay but like, making a whole new game with chloe as a main character AND respecting both choices of the first game is... hard. They would have to make two whole separate games. I'm sure there's gonna be a chloe appearance if you chose to keep her alive, trust me. They're just saving it for a future trailer or for you to see in the game. I do however not think she's going to have a big role in this.
Damn I’ll just assume it’s an alternate universe and that’s not the same Max… that’s the only way I’ll enjoy it (the only way I enjoyed the prequel and sequel, since there are some events I consider are a bit contradictory), for me, every game is in a different universe where some “canon events” happened like in marvel multiverse theory haha.
Yeah, I think that’s a good way of looking at it. I want to enjoy this game as well but to do so I may need to separate it from the original.
what I understand for the trailer, Max deal with trauma, I hope this game will gonna fix the end of the first one, I saved her and sacrifice a town, chloé lost a mom, but chloe live, so maybe in another timeline Joyce lost her child, so maybe Max could fix this, I Hope in another timeline Rachel and all the town survive, and chloé they could maybe past this trauma.
I hope she is not a cameo, I hope she is more than that, and we could still enjoy and discover about Safi
Im more annoyed they decided to have Max use her powers to save a friend... again. Almost as if she didn't learn anything from the first game. I love Chloe as much as anyone (I sacrificed her because she begged Max to) but how they're going about this game is weird regardless which route you decided at the end of the original game. Being neutral about Chloe's situation is dumb. They should have made an entirely different character instead. I didn't even enjoy reading the comic that came out after the game.
just calm down guys, the first life is strange is forever there to be played
Bruh they were 15 did you really expect them to be together for forever, it's not a big deal
Umm actually they were 19 and 18 what coke are you snorting brotha
@@Larry-zl1tx in the first LiS game they were not 19 & 18 they were in high school in LiS2 depending on your choice they're still together that game came out in 2018/2019 meaning 3- 4 years have pasted that would make them roughly 18 & 19 in LiS 2 not counting True Colors Double Exposure takes place 9 years after the events of Arcadia Bay and I highly doubt max is Almost 30 in double exposure if anything she's closer to 24 which means she was 15 during LiS 1
@@dannyrivera8300 Rachel literally attended at Blackwell the year prior to the first game and it was stated she went missing at 19 so she'd of had to of been 18 or 19 by her last few months in Blackwell
@@dannyrivera8300 plus don't nod is French so they probably didn't have as good of an understanding of high-school in the US
@@Larry-zl1tx Rachel Amber is Older than Chloe & Max Max is clearly a 15 year old freshman which would make Chloe 16 or 17 and btw she was 18 at the time of her disappearance and would have been 19 when the posters went up 1 year later. 18 is how old seniors in HS are... Just accept you were wrong
I‘m so torn between thisss. I’ll really miss Chloe and loved the comics to the games (so far I have read every volume until settling dust) which I feel like could have been told in a game too even if it was a smaller one. I do love how the new game looks and the gameplay we have seen so far looks really nice but there is so much that doesn’t seem considered. If they wanted to make a completely new game that’s understandable but then why bring Max in if so much of her story falls away? For me it would be enough if Chloe just made a little appearance as long as she has a reason to not be there (like let’s say she goes to art college away or they needed space). It’s also not just about Chloe. Careful here spoilers ahead! When they say that you don’t need to play the first game it sounds a lot to me like they will mostly disregard what happened to Max. Regardless of the choice Max makes at the End of LiS it will affect her greatly. Either she deals with the guilt of sacrificing her home town or she grieves her best friend (and obviously lover for a lot of us) which she grew up with. Not to mention the effects of being kidnapped by her teacher and learning that he is a killer targeting her now. There is a lot to unpack there.
I will definitely give the game a chance because the story looks really good and Max at least seems personality wise the same. The game definitely has potential and maybe they will listen to us and tweak a few things (one can hope right?).
What if she chose Chloe but she dies as anyway
Agree so much. This got me into reading, and writing, fanfiction. When the game ended IIwanted more. So whatever you choose its the end of Chloe and Max. Very sad.
Yes, it certainly seems that way.
Y'all really throwing a fit over a game when you don't have any information
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Please just give us this, I beg!!! Ever since I played the first game it has been a strong part of why I love gaming today. If double exposure doesn't live up to the original's legacy, I and everyone else who loves this game will be distraught. I chose Chloe and if she doesn't show up after I tell the game that, I won't be happy. I'm really hoping if this does end up not featuring Chloe that the save Arcadia bay option will be able to match the original's feel. I have been aching for the new life is strange game which continues Max's story. This better be good
Look, this might get me hate. I hear you dude, would I love another Max & Chloe game? 100% I'm a huge Pricefield shipper, I'm in the middle of writing my own follow on story to the first game. I'm even wearing a Chloe shirt right now. But a new Max & Chloe game just isn't going to happen and you're not going to get what you want from this game. As you said, there will be mentions and maybe a cameo at the end if we're really lucky but I'd say it's a stretch. The main reason is Ashly Burch is too big now, I highly doubt Deck Nine could ever get her to come back, and you do need the OG Chloe. Also, to be fair, this is a Max game, NOT a Max & Chloe game, it's not like they're falsely advertising this. I get your frustration, but I ask, give the game a chance on it's own merits, don't condemn it due to an inevitable lack of Chloe.
No hate, not from me, no way. I totally respect your opinion, and enjoy a good debate. You know what, you’re totally right, they’re not advertising it as a max and Chloe game, it’s something different and I get that. As I said at the end of the video I’m not dismissing the game, I’m totally willing to give it a chance but right now, given how much I loved the first game, and how much I loved the characters, I’m still feeling raw that Chloe’s been given the slip.
@@TheGamingPsychologist I get that. The first game is my favourite video game hands down & I don't see anything ever replacing it. But I just feel lucky that we're getting a sequel in any form - if the series was still being developed by Don'tnod, no way would they have brought Max back, they said as much. It sucks we can't have them both, but we've got Max, that's something.
@@seanred2977 what don't nod wouldn't of done was shit on player choice only time OG characters came back was with David and it actually worked to further his character but deck nine just ain't cooking bruh
@@Larry-zl1tx That is an opinion, one I respectfully disagree with. It is not disregarding the player's choice, disregarding it would be saying sacrificing Chloe is canon and ignoring the other ending completely. The fact is Chloe IS mentioned, she is going to be included in some way. It may not be the way some people want but realistically, the only other way to do this would be to make two completely separate games for the two endings, and that's not feasible. The fact is we don't know specifically how they're going to handle Chloe yet, and people need to stop judging a game that hasn't even come out yet based on one factor.
@@seanred2977 or simple don't make a sequel I'd much rather that than them having to less the impact of choices from the first game I'm just glad they'll probably never touch Daniel or Sean's characters
dude the game isnt even out yet can we not do this?
They should have canonized the bay ending so people would stop whining about Chloe. Ashly was probably too busy working on all these horizon games and or didn't feel like coming back to voice Chloe. It's a stand alone game, you don't need to have previous knowledge of the original to understand the story in this game. Maybe they'll surprise us and Chloe will show up at the very end of the game but don't hold your breath. I've got a feeling we're not in Oregon anymore.