Why you don't need lumbar support.
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- čas přidán 24. 03. 2021
- Dr. Turner Osler, a trauma surgeon and epidemiologist and researcher, explains why the lumbar support in normal office chairs is wrong and hurts more than helps. Dr. Osler is the founder of QOR360 which makes revolutionary active chairs.
You can learn more about Dr. Osler here:
www.drturnerosler.com
You can learn more about QOR360 Chairs here:
www.qor360.com
You can learn more about Dr. Osler's social mission of free active chairs for kids here:
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Looking at that woman behind, I think I'll keep my lumbar support.
I was surprised that the staff sitting behind the speakers still leaned forward. Her abnormally curved thoracic spine is the same as mine. This seems to prove that the height of the screen and keyboard must be adjusted with the chair.
I think she needs glasses
I'm curious how you guys don't have more subscribers on here! I'm seriously considering getting the 2.0 as every other chair I have try up until now has either been to restrictive for my legs/ arms, or results in back or butt pain from being planted too far back in the chair and sitting in quite unnatural positions. Good explanation, and congrats on the chair, I haven't seen anything quite like it before. Can't wait to most likely purchase one of these in the coming months!
very good
This this is very true what he says . My back feels best when the back of the chair is straight up and down and nice and soft . I just recently took the seat out of my truck and took the Lumbar foam out and put in flat f o a m. my back feels so much better now.
I must try that on my cab. I tried to use many stuff, soft lumbar, hard lumbar, air filled lumbar, neck pillow, I also put slim pillow between upper back but nothing work too long.
How does the aerial chair compare with sitting on a medicine ball? Thanks
Well... I think, people with terrible posture - as a habit - will continue to sit /stand /walk with terrible posture unless they work on the issue conciously. These active stools help, partially because they are without back support, arm support and are instable a bit. But also because you should sit higher up than usual (avoids 90° angles) and lower tention on many joints. They all helps a little with core strength as well, but still... gotta work on your core and posture besides active sitting because we already adapted to the lazy sitting methods. See the lady in the back who sits low with this chair and doesn't mind her posture at all. We would all sit like that on this chair as well, unless we force ourselves to use it correctly and put in effort to correct our habits. The revolution happens with this company's products via kids and young adults who either are still learning to sit or grew up being more aware of the posture problems we older people have. They can benefit from these stools more effortlessly. We oldies need to work on it first.
I agree. To me, active sitting is making conscious use of the support built into "ergonomic" chairs. It's painful at first but they do force you into a better posture if configured correctly (which is a big topic in itself).
Can you share why should the knees be lower than hips, while sitting?
Surprisingly insighthful. Who is this guy?
It's in the video description
I started seating/eating on the floor (with a cushion of course) and it has been the best thing for me. The modern chair is just horrible. I have an office job and my chair is so uncomfortable, always happy when I come home to the floor where I can move my knees and legs various ways.
In the old days, East Asians and Indians used to do a lot in the floor. And if you look at the elderly know who practiced that lifestyle since birth, you can see how they're more agile and nimble than western elderly people even though they don't exercise. No weak knees or back.
When i sit in chairs like that, my lumbar still hurts but in a different way, and my upper back goes numb around the shoulder blades. Also, i notice a pooling of blood in my legs, as they become a bit red and swollen
I have an unstable chair due to bad quality and it gave me so much back pain
So this is trusting our nature to find the right position. But, does that take more effort? Does it get exhausting to be mindful of the posture on top of the stressful work material to handle? I don't need more stress. The concept sounds nifty though :)
Yes it is way harder to sit and engage core muscles, and the cussion is harder than usual chair , you will need regular training over a period of time in short intervals you can tolerate , bit after than your body will thank you , I suggest you keep your old chair and add this chair for training. We are not supposed to be sitting 12h without movement , that's what is killing us .
So basically, chair without lumbar support < chair with lumbar support < chair with no backrest
The real problem is staying in the same position 8 hours x day.
There is no position you can keep for 8 hours straight without feeling sore. All these theories and schools of thought about chairs and ergonomics are simply circling around how to better comply to an unhealthy habit.
"to a man with a hammer, everything look like a nail". IMO, you can study new things, speak it out, but then dont confirm untill you have a solid eviden. Respect your expertise, but there 2 main point on your argument, and they both wrong (1) you say lumbar support create unsual shapre, pushing people to lean/ sit forward and slump, well that's why a recommendation for anyone sit on any chair, is stick you back to chair back, hence more rely base for you back, and that's included lumbar support too, pls note that not all chair been design with a lumbar support fit everyone, hence recommendation is trying at shop before purchase (2) you mention an unfirm chair would make body subconsiciously try to find out good balance position, again, another wrong idea, can you prove that, bcs for knowledge I've known is exactly opposite thing, for ex, in cyclist, manufacturer always tell customer dont change seat to a foam and soft one (like your recommendation) because it would make you ass and lower back unstable and create back pain. Again, kindly stick with your circle of knowledge pls.
3 million years? Lol what
The woman in the background has a pretty weird posture. Not sure if it's due to the chair, needing glasses, trying to compensate for light glare, or just her lunch-eating posture. Regardless, it leaves you questioning what the effects of long-term use really are.
The backrest should only be used for rest!
lol the worst chair in the world. a $5 camping chair is more comfortable
I miss the wooden stright backs
Sorry doc but you should strictly stick to what you know, namely your surgeries. Don’t get into the rough waters of biomechanics because you lose terrain faster than all those whom you teach to not use lumbar support.
I’ll behave the exact opposite of you and offer a free genuine advice -- I repeat FREE, because I want you and others to finally understand why lumbar support is NOT a bad thing, in fact it’s a great thing for preserving one’s spine.
You see, the role of lumbar support is not at all to change or better say to recreate the lumbar lordosis curve while sitting, rather to maintain the pelvic area in a natural/neutral position (i.e. not anterior nor posterior tilt) as most of us do while standing. Once the pelvic area is correctly positioned, then the spine will naturally follow the natural architecture as you correctly pointed out. You are right when you say lumbar support should not be encourage if the role of it is to recreate the lordosis curvature because indeed that could actually create more issues than remedies. But you see, you (like everyone else) started at the wrong idea that lumbar support is designed to recreate the spine curvature, however the real reason it was designed was to stabilize the pelvic area in the upright natural position. The rest of the curvatures of the spine will be taken care of, if the pelvic area is in the correct position. When we sit, we either get our pelvic area into a posterior tilt (most of us) or anterior tilt because of the unusual angle (usually less than 90 degrees) between the sacral area and femur. That angle is not good for pelvic area (blood circulation, nerves, etc.) especially if it’s maintained for prolonged periods of time, hence the importance of moving in and out of a seat every 30ish minutes or so. Because of the discomfort, we tend to unconsciously remediate this uncomfortable situation by shifting our pelvic area into a posterior pelvic tilt. The result of that is the well-known slouch which is responsible for back pain.
I’d also like to add that 99.99% of seats, sofas, car seats, furniture in general etc. is designed by humans with broken backs/faulty postures hence their idea of comfort is not at all based on the natural curvatures of the spine because it doesn’t exist in these individuals. That said all these innovative ideas are the same cheap BS sold for big bucks so that people like you get richer and richer while the people who follow these “great” advices get to suffer more and more. At the end of the day it makes sense, the more broken backs you manufacture the more clients you can rip off.
Anyways, I feel like in this situation only kids can actually help us fix our backs by showing us what it means to stand, to walk or sit right, therefore our furniture should be designed to fit them, not us. This is how we destroy our kids postures with our old, idiotic and greedy ideas that are only meant to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.
🤘The more you know doc! 😉
Well, lumbar support makes my back hurt. The First 2 years sitting on this chair were manageable, but now it's a disaster. I recovered after three weeks off... then one single hour at my workplace and even lying in my bed is painful again. I have a very slight curve to lower back, but the chair's curvature is simply overdone...the same about the curvature under the upper back. No one has so extreme curves to the spine as most of these st...id chairs have. The back-rests, especially lumbar supports are frequently too hard and unyielding for someone whose weight is lower than average. Chairs for shorter than average people are also hard to get.
Lumbar support is frequently used to hide how s...y the chair is. No lumbar support is BETTER than a WRONG one.
So, I have to disagree with you. I will be probably forced to buy my own chair and bring it to my workplace since the employer won't be bothered with custom chairs.
@@veronikatomsu6841 Hi. Not sure if you fully understood what I said above. You say you disagree with me, yet you emphasize exactly what my point is. Let me repeat: “lumbar support should not be encouraged if the role of it is to recreate the lordosis curvature because indeed that could actually create more issues than remedies.” All this can be simply put into what you said: “No lumbar support is BETTER than a WRONG one.”
Now that we understand we are on the same page we can explore deeper, leading aside these so-called experts which often amaze me with their brainless assumptions. Also forget about those backrests, you are right they are stupid, as I mentioned, they are build by people whom already have bad postures hence their design is faulty to begin with.
Correct me if I’m wrong but from the little description you provided I understand that your pelvis is in a posterior position while sitting. Because of that your lumbar curvature is not as pronounced as others have it. Because of this posterior tilt of the pelvis while sitting your mid and upper back, shoulders, neck end up suffering the most. To fix this you will have to learn again how to properly sit in a chair. But again, as you pointed out, not all chairs are the same, 99% of them are more harmful than good for you. Before you find out what chair you need, you have to identify the culprit of your bad posture, and the extent of it. Then you have to learn to distinguish between the normal/neutral position and the current one (faulty one). Once you can easily distinguish between the two positions you can start looking into correcting the faulty one. There will be a series of exercises and stretches which will be required for a long time. Good thing is that those are very similar to some of the yoga postures you see everywhere online. Once the proper muscle balance has been re-established (we all had it in our childhood) the pelvic area will always be in the natural position. With that, the spine will follow its natural architecture leading you to the right posture which won’t give you back issues anymore. Also if you get there you will see that the backrests are not actually required, but they indeed can be used once in a while for a good stretch while sitting in such chairs. Hope this helps.
@@veronikatomsu6841 I agree with you Veronika, bought a gaming chair 3 days ago and the lumbar thing sucks hardcore, it felt confortable at the first day then slowly started to feel unconfortable, i hope i can brought this back cause it's fucking expansive while not that good, i wish i've seen this video before buying.
What chair did you get ? And how long do you usually sit without getting up?
@@veronikatomsu6841 Hello Veronika, I totally agree with you. I too have only slight curve in my lower back so when I´m using those office chairs with that ridiculous lumbar support it just hurts my back. Right now i started to do swimming and pilates because doctors told me I need to strengthen my core, but i still feel the pain. Did you somehow manage to deal with this problem? (btw by your name it seems you are from czech republic too, but I wasnt sure so I sticked to the English language)