@@johngamble5270 yes, this has been written after the airing of this episode to mend the laziness of the writers that really couldn't be bothered with even a bit of canon research. I am just baffled with the amount of contempt the writers and the producers have towards Star Trek lore. Just a shit show since 2009
This make the scene where Kovich interrogates Emperor Georgiou way more interesting than we first thought. Explains how he knew so much about the Terran empire
Well that would be true of most temporal agents of a certain level which probably accounts for thousands if not millions of people just on the Federation side of the Cold War.
I think he meant several different USS Enterprises. Every Starship Enterprise we know about has played a pivotal part in galactic events. Maybe he was in the background making sure there was no interference from outside sources.
I like to think he meant the NX-01 _Enterprise,_ since he did serve as crew on it and it was the first one. But I suspect they may have had a future timeship _Enterprise_ in mind when writing the scene.
That would explain why he has one of Geordi’s VISORs, a bottle of Chateau Picard, and a TNG Season 1 Dustbuster Phaser II. And since they wanted to make the reveal a surprise, I suspect that’s why they didn’t show him possibly having one of Jonathan Archer’s water polo balls in his collection. It would have telegraphed the reveal a bit too soon. And remember, Daniels did transport Archer to the Enterprise-J.
@@calhoun24 The broken teacup/saucer from the scene at the start of _Star Trek VI_ would have been perfect. That one would be even most historical since it marked the start of the Klingons becoming more of an ally to the Federation than an enemy. Fans would have recognized it, even though it's subtle.
@@FedoReds88 In Star Trek: Enterprise Captain Archer asked him if he was human. He said more or less. Thus he's not completely human. He also said he was from about 900 years into the future from Archer.
@@kevingray8616 well, lanthanite live on earth for so many millenia that they can bee easily considered human, or at last terran, plus the can bride with humans so he can be also part of it
I realize why older fans dislike it, but I maintain it is the best gateway trek show. The characters know little about the rest of the galaxy. Someone new to trek learns with them. Growing up on Enterprise left me very invested in future and past shows.
Daniel was the temple agent. Who's to say he did not serve another USS Enterprise. It's possible he was hiding in each Enterprise throughout time. Observing and recording. He was on the Enterprise J. He also could have gone back in time to get those relics from history. Since he used the proper procedure to not alter time. He says his identity is a Red directive within itself. If he mentioned NX -01. Burnham would probably ask him "how is that possible" or ask him more questions. He kept it nice and simple. Not to reveal what he was or what he did. That is why he say "USS Enterprise and other places" I think that was the right thing to say.
No. I think he meant exactly what he said. He's probably served on many ships during his time as a temporal agent. He could have said, Agent Daniels, Deep Space Nine and it may have been just as accurate.
@@ruhafla8326I doubt deep space nine would still be in service. It would not be considered deep space anymore. They probably updated the space station to something else. They update space stations all the time. I'm sure the old space stations from the TOS era is not in TNG era. He probably mentioned USS Enterprise because it's still in service and it's something Burnham and audience can related to. I know Star Trek Discovery screws up a lot of lore. I agree on that. I don't think this is a missed opportunity. This is definitely going to be a debate for years. Hopefully we get more Intel on Daniels in the new show.
@@evilguy9901 Daniels is a time traveler. DS9 is in his past so he could have traveled and served there at some point just as he did on the Enterprise NX-01.
I need a short trek that’s just Daniel’s lifting all of the stuff in his office with a random white guy each time. The last part is him swiping the legal pad from Paramount Studios
I suspect he has one relic from each of the shows, not to mention notable items throughout Star Trek history. The visor, the bottle of Château Picard, and a Dustbuster Phaser. Sisko’s baseball and stand from DS9. Wouldn’t surprise me if he got one of Janeway‘s coffee cups, Kirk’s officers bars badge from his monster maroon, one of Archer’s water polo balls, and so on…
@@calhoun24 Well, no one would miss one of Kirk's torn shirts. Then again, he could probably have Kirk himself hidden away in a corner, for an "Arthur awakens from Avalon" moment whenever he needs one XD
Plot twist: he’s actually a Suliban. Confirmed by the fact he didn’t make the captain any scrambled eggs in this scene. Kovich has made no munchies at any point, not even for Book.
Maybe it's Silik. He always seems to have some sort of rivalry with Daniels. Although the last time they showed him, he was killed in that alternate World War II that an unknown time traveler caused by killing Lenin. Vosk and his Na'kul soldiers were there but they arrived after the change and took advantage of the situation by helping the Nazi until Captain Archer stopped them by destroying the huge time machine that Vosk and his men were trying to make using 1940's technology which seemed to take up a huge building. Silik was there for two reasons: 1. To acquire time travel technology for his mysterious benefactor. 2. To stop Vosk but for personal reasons. He explained that Vosk and his people tried to prevent his people from gaining sentience during their earlier stages of evolution. They were stopped by Daniels and his temporal agents. Archer points out to Silik that Daniel and his agents owe them their lives after Silik tells him this. Despite this, he still sees Daniels and his temporal agents as his enemies even though they saved his people from Vosk. Silik was shot by a Nazi soldier when helping Archer find Commander Tucker, who was held prisoner there and to destroy Vosk's time machine. Before he died, he told Archer he was a worthy opponent, but since Archer prevented that timeline from happening by destroying Vosk' time machine, Silik should still be alive back in Archer's time.
I hope not. S31 has been a blight since day one of its introduction but at least palatable as the ravings of a resourceful and competent , but deranged individual on DS9.
Agent Daniels is truly a magnificent character who deserves his own standalone series. This series would allow us to explore his entire life and the various eras he has experienced. Just imagine witnessing all the events from his perspective, culminating in the Great Burn. We would also see how he led the Department in Starfleet and, ultimately, the arrival of the USS Discovery.
Lovely seeing a bottle of Chateau Picard, Geordi's visor and Sisco's baseball. However, it would have been nice to see Porthos's collar and maybe Kirk's glasses from TWOK to link him to those centuries and Star Trek series, too.
Daniels couldn't keep Kirk's glasses. I'm sure a temporal agent had to make sure that a pair of glasses were always available to gift to Kirk and then left behind in 1986 due to the ontological paradox aging material things to dust. Once that was fixed, there was nothing they could do except create a duplicate version of the glasses to keep as a souvenir.
I wasn't surprised at all. The whole thing about paper being "genuinely from the 21st" century tipped me off that he has access to time travel. Didn't't expect him to be Daniels. But I was close. Also, what was with all the Chateau Picard, VISOR, and Sisko's baseball. Shouldn't it have been something from ENTERPRISE? Like Archer's polo ball, or a replica of his "prized Beagle"? That would have made far more sense. But they just picked something that was available from the recent Picard show, and it just doesn't line up.
@@MarkBogners20247my headcanon explain all discovery thank to this scene: Daniels managed the existence of Burnam and the Discovery from the start, from the 22 century, despite their incompetence they ever succeed because he help them
In Star Trek Online, if you play a character from Kirk's time, your character meets Temporal Agent Daniels. He was undercover on the U.S.S. Enterprise as Ensign Hunter to stop the Na'kul from disrupting Kirk's time like: 1. Helping the Orions interrupt the meeting in the Babel System, this mission shows that the older Pavel Chekov from sometime after the Undiscovered Country movie inadvertently made Scotty a Temporal Agent when he dropped his Temporal communicater and Scotty would show up to help in the Battle of Procyon V or one of the battles there since it is implied that there have been numerous versions of the final battle of the Temporal Cold War there before it finally ended due to all the time traveling involved. They never do explain why they have their final battle there. Even Seven of Nine in a later mission even wonders why this system is so important when you and her and a simulacrum of Michael Burnham are tested in one of the Excalbian's trials between good and evil and one of them involves this location since the Excalbian is using memories of past missions to make these test with a few changes to see what you do differently. From what they show, the Procyon system is between the Vulcan and Andorian system, like that P'jem system with the Vulcan Monastery on one of the planets. And the Andorian were the first to visit this system when they started exploring space, and Procyon V is apparently a water world. It seems it is used as a final battle area because the founding member species of the Federation live in that sector of space, the Humans, the Vulcans, and Andorians. The Tellarites live in a neighboring sector, so they are a little further away but still close to the system. Edit: It is kinda funny when you think about it. Vulcan and Andoria would be the first planets to send their ships to that system since they are the closest, Earth is right behind them to back them up, while Tellar is in the next system and would show up later to help. Earth is basically the guy who is going to back you up and Tellar would basically be the guy who shows up late to help. 2. The Na'kul trying to causing a war with the Federation and the Tholians. The U.S.S Defiant helps you in this mission but unfortunately gets caught in a temporal shockwave when one of the Tholian Queens tells you that she is going to ram her ship into the Na'kul ship after she realizes that she has been tricked and sends a message to the other queens about the Na'kul which lead to the Tholians in the 25th Century to mess with the Na'kul sun as they see this as payback. This causes the Na'kul to become invested in time travel and become involved with the Temporal Cold War and causing them to mess with the Tholians in the past. Which means this feud between them is a time paradox. The Defiant is left drifting in space until Kirk and the Enterprise find it along with encountering the Tholians, then the Defiant is sent to the Mirror Universe and causes those events from their version of Enterprise, Discovery, the Original Series, and Deep Space Nine and even a little in their 25th Century. 3. Providing the Romulans with a Doomsday Machine (A different one than the one that Kirk defeated), this one actually happens in a much later mission when your character is in the 25th century but has to time travel back to the 23rd century and it shows why that planet Geordi and that Romulan were stuck on was so hazardous in the Galorndon Core System in Star Trek the Next Generation. 4. Providing the location of the Doomsday Machine that Kirk defeated to the Klingons. The Klingons get this information from the Envoy and the Na'kul but choose not to use it as they didn't want to be someone's puppet. The Klingon Captain, who got this information was Captain Kor, otherwise known as Dahar Master Kor from Deep Space Nine. He worked with the Na'kul to trap Federation ships in an ambush, but he did not trust his new allies and for good reason. (During this mission, the Envoy says that he is the reason that the Klingons have cloaking technology. This contradicts that the Romulans gave it to the Klingons in the Original Series. Although Star Trek Discovery also contradicts how the Klingons have cloaking devices by saying that they already had them before the Original Series. The only ways I can how this makes sense all the time traveling has messed up on how the Klingons got cloaking technology which seems to work, or the Klingons have three different types of cloaking technology this whole time which could work but not likely.) The information on the Doomsday Machine would not be used until later on in the 25th century by a Klingon named B'vat. Ironically, his past self from the 23rd century helps you defeat his future self as he realizes that his future self has gone mad when you time travel in the past using the Guardian of Forever to save Miral Paris as she is the reason the Klingons get their ridges back, and he accepts that this is his fate when it happens to him. This mission and any others related to it have been removed supposedly so they can remaster the missions, but so far, they still haven't returned since 2018.
I do wonder though what it must have been like or to be like to have lived so long and seen and done so much the way Daniels has. The memories he must carry and the silence that he must keep.
@@partyguy101ify - I was referring to Daniels directly. Although I suppose Archer was an even bigger tool. So much so that Daniels had to literally take him to see what he was supposed to do because otherwise he probably wouldn't have done it.
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Ever since he first appeared in Season 3, my mom and I knew there was more about Kovich than meets the eye, and it all made sense when he revealed he was Agent Daniels from Enterprise.
This is the third reference to the Enterprise show. The first being Lorca looking the names of famous starfleet captains, then the archer soace dock and now this one. Or I am missing others?
In Season 3 they mention the Temporal War. One of the scientists who hid clues was a Denobulan. In the first season, a ship was called USS Shran. Ni'Var, Vulcan's new name, was also the name of a Vulcan ship in Enterprise.
The ones that we can actually see are: Chateau Picard wine, Geordi La Forge's original VISOR and Benjamin Sisko's baseball. Thus implying that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
I think Admiral Lance messed up a line. When he congratulates sure on his wedding he greats Suru as admiral instead of ambassador. Unless Suru got a promotion and is and officer again?
Judging by Saru and T'Rina's wedding, I assume 32nd century Vulcans don't repress their emotions as much as they did in the past? Because I can't imagine a 22nd or even 24th century vulcan to say with excitement "may I present the newly weds!"
Should have swapped Geordis VISOR prop for a random replica collar and zoomed on the tag that says Porthos. So there is a nod to each era rather than a duplicate to the TNG time with nothing for Archers era.
So why didn't Daniels stop the Burn from destroying Starfleet by just leaving a note for Starfleet Command to shut down all warp cores for one day for a one time event?
Strange new worlds may have hinted at a reason that being without the burn, something much worse could have happened, what that could have been who knows , simply put star feet was likely not only power be hurt by the burn.
Yes leave this till the last episode 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'm like this show could have interlinked with Enterprise bringing back the actors as Archer is still alive when this was the pilot, it's just so frustrating all the waste.
says a lot that cronenberg and martin-green have both said this scene meant absolutely nothing to them! They had no clue who daniels was,hence it was a last minute deal and not a long planned event! Smacks of the whole series tbh, a clueless bumble around trying to make decent trek and failing
He could have served aboard one of the uss Enterprises properly before becoming a temporal agent perhaps, though kinda hard to tell eith how Daniels is a many of may secrets 😂though at least we got the explanation of how he had a 21st century pad of paper
The NX-01 was renamed the USS Enterprise when the Federation was formed. I guess it can be seen when the ship is in Geordi's museum. Also, the artifacts here imply that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
The only reason I don't like this scene is because nothing of what he's saying means anything to Burnham or any of the other characters. SThey weren't a part of ENT. It's like the scene in Into Darkness where Khan tells the Enterprise crew that he's Khan and they're just like "okay" because it doesn't mean anything to them, they don't have the same history together.
Synapse for possible season 6 or movie (fun only) it's been 20 years since Admiral Michael Burnham sent discovery off on its new red directive mission, but when Agent Daniels appears at her home with dying from a Phaser blast and the USS discovery appears in orbit of Earth, Michael must assume command once more and stop a new Time War before the future and past of the federation changes forever.
It should've been cancelled 2 seasons ago. The writers never had a clue how to write this drek of a show. They are least figured out what people wanted with Picard and Lower Decks. Lower Decks ending is going to be sad.
this show is the putrid brain fart of somebody six days dead. once again, magic space jesus is loved by everybody, never does wrong, and when they do it's always for the bestest possible reason and eventually everybody will admit they were wrong or that space jesus was right and is the only thing anybody ever talks about. oh micheal, you're my inspiration, we couldn't be here without you micheal, my dishwasher is full, only you can help me michael. It's beyond pathetic.
@shafown_gringo3595 Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz are both gay in real life and portray a married gay couple on the show. Tig Notaro is a lesbian and Jett Reno had a wife who had died before we met her.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 you are totally missing the point. These characters did not have a wedding on screen. I guess. Because I’m surely not wasting one mouseclick to look for the real names of these hacks or any of the characters they play. Anyway I’m pretty sure even without me knowing even one of these pathetically characters name my points pretty solid there
Well, that explains a few things. Also, I am shocked at the amount of hatred for Discovery, Enterprise and Voyager among some 'fans'. The whole point of Star Trek is to embrace differences, not be third-rate drama critics.
I adore enterprise and it’s one of my favorite series! Voyager was ok in the later seasons. Now I’m sorry but disco is not it for me. The writing has consistently made me struggle to care about any of the characters, and by the end of the show I still don’t know the names of the bridge crew. I don’t judge people who like it, but it’s not the kind of trek I enjoy watching. To me every season feels like it could have been one episode but got dragged out unnecessarily
Oh man, now I see the resemblance. But now we have to make it up to Matt Winston and give him a role in his own series as a younger (Codename) Dr. Kovich.
I want to ask the people who defend this scene. You're telling me that they have the Burn, a cataclysmic event where everyone's warp cores blew up, and they couldn't send time agents to go back to fix that? Daniels couldn't go back in time to fix that, either? Don't tell me that the temporal Cold War or temporal prime directive prevents that. The Burn resulted in the deaths of many, affected EVERYONE, Every race equally, and wiped out space-faring travel for centuries. They would have done it (been a united effort too), and with 32nd-century tech, they would have been able to do it EASILY. Heck, if that was the main plot, that would have made this scene work very well. Now, if you want to argue that this isn't the same universe as the other Star Trek shows, fine. Otherwise, in the end, this scene feels.....
All time travel technology were destroyed after the Temporal Wars because lots of factions used time travel as a weapon. Meaning All Time travel technology is banned and illegal, and all factions signed the Temporal Accord to outright banned said technology, which is Ironclad. Meaning they can never time travel EVER.
If you paid any attention, you'd remember that Time Travel and Temporal Technology was banned because of the damage done by the Temporal Cold War and Temporal Wars. So much so that Guardian of Forever relocated itself (probably multiple times). As to using Time Travel itself to try to prevent The Burn... what if doing so might create an even worse catastrophe than The Burn? (Keep in mind that in the novels, DTI was kept from arresting Janeway over how Voyager returned precisely because it was the event that broke the back of the Borg. It is also made clear that the Enterprise-E going back in time to First Contact was supposed to happen. Temporal Agents don't play God precisely because their job is to observe and lessen the damage to the timeline due to malicious attempts to rewrite history. Also, this is why The Watchers exist.)
@@AltaniNerdAuRa Thank you for answering. It still doesn't really make much sense, though. Remember this would have been more than just the temporal agents. All the races would have worked together to try to resolve this instead of just one side or one group. The Burn was as bad as it could get because it affected everyone equally and resulted in wiping out warp travel. In fairness, Star Trek has been filled with inconsenstities dealing with time travel (expected when you have +500 episodes of various shows), because if that would have been the case, Kirk would have been stopped from going back to save the whales, or the multiude of other stories dealing with going back to the past to fix something. It just feels like a waste in story concept and even shoehorned in for this particular scene. I don't think they really had in plans prior to who the old man was and pretty much made it up on the spot. Season 3 of STD could have used the idea of going back to the past to stop the Burn from happening with Daniels being one of many moving parts during this process. Later on its revealed that the old man is Agent Daniels. It would have worked out very well, made sense, and hold a deeper impact for the audience.
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I guess that explains why he's so weird, I guess. I still have no plans on watching season 5. I never finished season 4 because it was like nails on a chalkboard. I never finished season 2 of SNW for the same reason. The writers aren't writing the shows for a diverse crowd, and that's coming from someone who might be described as "woke".
@@chriscarlsen42 So, why are the writers of Discovery not marketing the shows for a diverse crowd? CBS is marketing Discovery toward women. You can check on that for yourself. Why is that a problem? Star Trek has always been marketed for a diverse crowd. It's supposed to be for everyone. Maybe, not white supremacists, misogynists, and religious fanatics, but, in general, everyone. Discovery, especially season 4 on, is just a soap opera about Micheal and her boyfriend. That's just not my thing. Just watch something that interests me? Sure, but Star Trek has always been for a diverse crowd. They usually accomplish this by providing a mixed bag of ideas for the show. Discovery does that to a degree, but the show is wrapped around Micheal and her boyfriend. It got to be a well used cliche that was in every episode. There are other aspects as well that make the show female centered rather than diverse.
As a fan of Enterprise i am glad finally someone from that show "returned".
David Cronenberg is also a great actor.💯
Enterprise - the show that was about the NX-01 Enterprise had no USS Enterprise in it ;)
@@herrsan
Hm, according to Memory-Alpha wiki, it did (this is in the article "USS", which discusses the history and fictional history of the term).
@@johngamble5270 yes, this has been written after the airing of this episode to mend the laziness of the writers that really couldn't be bothered with even a bit of canon research. I am just baffled with the amount of contempt the writers and the producers have towards Star Trek lore. Just a shit show since 2009
This make the scene where Kovich interrogates Emperor Georgiou way more interesting than we first thought. Explains how he knew so much about the Terran empire
An the Kelvin Timeline.
Ah... Yeah. Good point!
Well that would be true of most temporal agents of a certain level which probably accounts for thousands if not millions of people just on the Federation side of the Cold War.
@@sw-gs no that was Zora.
NO F***ING WAY!!!!!!! I remember watching Star Trek Enterprise with my dad. Daniels was always one of our favorite characters!!
i lold
when i watched this the other day i was like "whoa what the fuck"
Noticed he never gave her eye contact telling her that
I think he meant several different USS Enterprises. Every Starship Enterprise we know about has played a pivotal part in galactic events. Maybe he was in the background making sure there was no interference from outside sources.
I like to think he meant the NX-01 _Enterprise,_ since he did serve as crew on it and it was the first one. But I suspect they may have had a future timeship _Enterprise_ in mind when writing the scene.
That would explain why he has one of Geordi’s VISORs, a bottle of Chateau Picard, and a TNG Season 1 Dustbuster Phaser II.
And since they wanted to make the reveal a surprise, I suspect that’s why they didn’t show him possibly having one of Jonathan Archer’s water polo balls in his collection. It would have telegraphed the reveal a bit too soon.
And remember, Daniels did transport Archer to the Enterprise-J.
@@calhoun24 Would have been fun if they could have worked in Riker's trombone, but it's bit too large for the display area.
@@ManabiLT Looking back, I would have included Data’s emotion chip, and one of Sulu’s teacups snd saucers.
@@calhoun24 The broken teacup/saucer from the scene at the start of _Star Trek VI_ would have been perfect. That one would be even most historical since it marked the start of the Klingons becoming more of an ally to the Federation than an enemy. Fans would have recognized it, even though it's subtle.
Damn Daniels really never does die lol
The Temporal Cold War has had some major impacts on his lifespan
The one human closest to a Q
He could be easily another Lanthanite working with the Federation
@@FedoReds88 In Star Trek: Enterprise Captain Archer asked him if he was human. He said more or less. Thus he's not completely human. He also said he was from about 900 years into the future from Archer.
@@kevingray8616 well, lanthanite live on earth for so many millenia that they can bee easily considered human, or at last terran, plus the can bride with humans so he can be also part of it
When he said Enterprise...I almost cried.
I love that show.
Me too. I’m going to watch it again. ☺️
I realize why older fans dislike it, but I maintain it is the best gateway trek show. The characters know little about the rest of the galaxy. Someone new to trek learns with them. Growing up on Enterprise left me very invested in future and past shows.
@@The_Viscount I understand the older fans too. You have to be open to new material and stop listening to toxic fans.
He said U,S,S, Enterprise but there is no U.S.S. on Archer's Enterprise.
@@specie8470 I believe that it’s the Enterprise J.
A good call back but I think they missed a moment. When he introduced himself he could have said "Agent Daniels, USS Enterprise NX 01"
Missed a Moment? In Discovery? You must be new on this Show
Daniel was the temple agent. Who's to say he did not serve another USS Enterprise. It's possible he was hiding in each Enterprise throughout time. Observing and recording. He was on the Enterprise J. He also could have gone back in time to get those relics from history. Since he used the proper procedure to not alter time. He says his identity is a Red directive within itself. If he mentioned NX -01. Burnham would probably ask him "how is that possible" or ask him more questions. He kept it nice and simple. Not to reveal what he was or what he did. That is why he say "USS Enterprise and other places" I think that was the right thing to say.
No. I think he meant exactly what he said. He's probably served on many ships during his time as a temporal agent. He could have said, Agent Daniels, Deep Space Nine and it may have been just as accurate.
@@ruhafla8326I doubt deep space nine would still be in service. It would not be considered deep space anymore. They probably updated the space station to something else. They update space stations all the time. I'm sure the old space stations from the TOS era is not in TNG era. He probably mentioned USS Enterprise because it's still in service and it's something Burnham and audience can related to. I know Star Trek Discovery screws up a lot of lore. I agree on that. I don't think this is a missed opportunity. This is definitely going to be a debate for years. Hopefully we get more Intel on Daniels in the new show.
@@evilguy9901 Daniels is a time traveler. DS9 is in his past so he could have traveled and served there at some point just as he did on the Enterprise NX-01.
I need a short trek that’s just Daniel’s lifting all of the stuff in his office with a random white guy each time. The last part is him swiping the legal pad from Paramount Studios
🤣😂 Good one.
I suspect he has one relic from each of the shows, not to mention notable items throughout Star Trek history. The visor, the bottle of Château Picard, and a Dustbuster Phaser. Sisko’s baseball and stand from DS9.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he got one of Janeway‘s coffee cups, Kirk’s officers bars badge from his monster maroon, one of Archer’s water polo balls, and so on…
@@calhoun24 Well, no one would miss one of Kirk's torn shirts. Then again, he could probably have Kirk himself hidden away in a corner, for an "Arthur awakens from Avalon" moment whenever he needs one XD
Sort of a tie-back to the idea that DS9 would end with Benny Russell sitting outside a Paramount sound stage holding a script
@@johnmoore-levesque8663 low key might be the only way to get Avery Brooks to make a cameo
Plot twist: he’s actually a Suliban. Confirmed by the fact he didn’t make the captain any scrambled eggs in this scene. Kovich has made no munchies at any point, not even for Book.
Maybe it's Silik. He always seems to have some sort of rivalry with Daniels. Although the last time they showed him, he was killed in that alternate World War II that an unknown time traveler caused by killing Lenin. Vosk and his Na'kul soldiers were there but they arrived after the change and took advantage of the situation by helping the Nazi until Captain Archer stopped them by destroying the huge time machine that Vosk and his men were trying to make using 1940's technology which seemed to take up a huge building. Silik was there for two reasons:
1. To acquire time travel technology for his mysterious benefactor.
2. To stop Vosk but for personal reasons. He explained that Vosk and his people tried to prevent his people from gaining sentience during their earlier stages of evolution. They were stopped by Daniels and his temporal agents. Archer points out to Silik that Daniel and his agents owe them their lives after Silik tells him this. Despite this, he still sees Daniels and his temporal agents as his enemies even though they saved his people from Vosk.
Silik was shot by a Nazi soldier when helping Archer find Commander Tucker, who was held prisoner there and to destroy Vosk's time machine. Before he died, he told Archer he was a worthy opponent, but since Archer prevented that timeline from happening by destroying Vosk' time machine, Silik should still be alive back in Archer's time.
@@Yasuda9000 I think it might be best to take Captain Janeway's advice on sorting out temporal paradoxes: "Don't even try."
In my headcanon Daniels is a Lanthanite working for the section 31
I hope not. S31 has been a blight since day one of its introduction but at least palatable as the ravings of a resourceful and competent , but deranged individual on DS9.
A Lanthanite? Brilliant head canon there. 🖖🤠
Agent Daniels is truly a magnificent character who deserves his own standalone series. This series would allow us to explore his entire life and the various eras he has experienced.
Just imagine witnessing all the events from his perspective, culminating in the Great Burn. We would also see how he led the Department in Starfleet and, ultimately, the arrival of the USS Discovery.
Time travel ruins science fiction, as science fiction. It places it firmly in science fantasy - not that faster than light travel doesn't either.
Star Trek Fraction.
Here’s a thought, and hear me out…
Daniels, along with Wesley Crusher and his “ Travelers”.
@@donontherun1 super
*Dumps 5 gallon bucket full of Star Trek props over her head*
Agent Daniels 🤯🤯🤯😭😭😭
Lovely seeing a bottle of Chateau Picard, Geordi's visor and Sisco's baseball. However, it would have been nice to see Porthos's collar and maybe Kirk's glasses from TWOK to link him to those centuries and Star Trek series, too.
What about something from Voyager?
@leovalverde1508 Yeah, I thought that. Janeway's coffee mug.
@@leovalverde1508 Nah, Voyager was so wibbly wobbly with time travel anything form there will cause at least one paradox to happen if removed.
Daniels couldn't keep Kirk's glasses. I'm sure a temporal agent had to make sure that a pair of glasses were always available to gift to Kirk and then left behind in 1986 due to the ontological paradox aging material things to dust. Once that was fixed, there was nothing they could do except create a duplicate version of the glasses to keep as a souvenir.
There's also the bone gun from Cronenberg's movie eXistenZ
Also tilly does make a good point
Why the fuck didnt starfleet have a mentorship program
Probably the most wtf moment in Star Trek?
I wasn't surprised at all. The whole thing about paper being "genuinely from the 21st" century tipped me off that he has access to time travel.
Didn't't expect him to be Daniels. But I was close.
Also, what was with all the Chateau Picard, VISOR, and Sisko's baseball. Shouldn't it have been something from ENTERPRISE? Like Archer's polo ball, or a replica of his "prized Beagle"? That would have made far more sense. But they just picked something that was available from the recent Picard show, and it just doesn't line up.
If the W in your wtf is 'Why' , then yes, that is correct. Why the fuck do you throw in crewman Daniels for no reason?
@@MarkBogners20247It was hinted in Season 4. You have to watch carefully.
@@MarkBogners20247my headcanon explain all discovery thank to this scene: Daniels managed the existence of Burnam and the Discovery from the start, from the 22 century, despite their incompetence they ever succeed because he help them
Honestly I believe that his mission was every iteration of the USS Enterprise and at some point or another he was on every version
USS Enterprise, i think he meant NX-01.....
and 1701-J
Maybe he meant Kirk enterprise as well. Maybe he was doctor McCoy or something like that.
There was also a "Mister Daniels" on the bridge of the E-E in Insurrection. Maybe he was undercover...
That was a bit weird, but he could have been referring to a different Enterprise, or NX-01 may have been redesignated as USS at some point.
In Star Trek Online, if you play a character from Kirk's time, your character meets Temporal Agent Daniels. He was undercover on the U.S.S. Enterprise as Ensign Hunter to stop the Na'kul from disrupting Kirk's time like:
1. Helping the Orions interrupt the meeting in the Babel System, this mission shows that the older Pavel Chekov from sometime after the Undiscovered Country movie inadvertently made Scotty a Temporal Agent when he dropped his Temporal communicater and Scotty would show up to help in the Battle of Procyon V or one of the battles there since it is implied that there have been numerous versions of the final battle of the Temporal Cold War there before it finally ended due to all the time traveling involved. They never do explain why they have their final battle there. Even Seven of Nine in a later mission even wonders why this system is so important when you and her and a simulacrum of Michael Burnham are tested in one of the Excalbian's trials between good and evil and one of them involves this location since the Excalbian is using memories of past missions to make these test with a few changes to see what you do differently. From what they show, the Procyon system is between the Vulcan and Andorian system, like that P'jem system with the Vulcan Monastery on one of the planets. And the Andorian were the first to visit this system when they started exploring space, and Procyon V is apparently a water world. It seems it is used as a final battle area because the founding member species of the Federation live in that sector of space, the Humans, the Vulcans, and Andorians. The Tellarites live in a neighboring sector, so they are a little further away but still close to the system.
Edit: It is kinda funny when you think about it. Vulcan and Andoria would be the first planets to send their ships to that system since they are the closest, Earth is right behind them to back them up, while Tellar is in the next system and would show up later to help. Earth is basically the guy who is going to back you up and Tellar would basically be the guy who shows up late to help.
2. The Na'kul trying to causing a war with the Federation and the Tholians. The U.S.S Defiant helps you in this mission but unfortunately gets caught in a temporal shockwave when one of the Tholian Queens tells you that she is going to ram her ship into the Na'kul ship after she realizes that she has been tricked and sends a message to the other queens about the Na'kul which lead to the Tholians in the 25th Century to mess with the Na'kul sun as they see this as payback. This causes the Na'kul to become invested in time travel and become involved with the Temporal Cold War and causing them to mess with the Tholians in the past. Which means this feud between them is a time paradox. The Defiant is left drifting in space until Kirk and the Enterprise find it along with encountering the Tholians, then the Defiant is sent to the Mirror Universe and causes those events from their version of Enterprise, Discovery, the Original Series, and Deep Space Nine and even a little in their 25th Century.
3. Providing the Romulans with a Doomsday Machine (A different one than the one that Kirk defeated), this one actually happens in a much later mission when your character is in the 25th century but has to time travel back to the 23rd century and it shows why that planet Geordi and that Romulan were stuck on was so hazardous in the Galorndon Core System in Star Trek the Next Generation.
4. Providing the location of the Doomsday Machine that Kirk defeated to the Klingons. The Klingons get this information from the Envoy and the Na'kul but choose not to use it as they didn't want to be someone's puppet. The Klingon Captain, who got this information was Captain Kor, otherwise known as Dahar Master Kor from Deep Space Nine. He worked with the Na'kul to trap Federation ships in an ambush, but he did not trust his new allies and for good reason. (During this mission, the Envoy says that he is the reason that the Klingons have cloaking technology. This contradicts that the Romulans gave it to the Klingons in the Original Series. Although Star Trek Discovery also contradicts how the Klingons have cloaking devices by saying that they already had them before the Original Series. The only ways I can how this makes sense all the time traveling has messed up on how the Klingons got cloaking technology which seems to work, or the Klingons have three different types of cloaking technology this whole time which could work but not likely.) The information on the Doomsday Machine would not be used until later on in the 25th century by a Klingon named B'vat. Ironically, his past self from the 23rd century helps you defeat his future self as he realizes that his future self has gone mad when you time travel in the past using the Guardian of Forever to save Miral Paris as she is the reason the Klingons get their ridges back, and he accepts that this is his fate when it happens to him. This mission and any others related to it have been removed supposedly so they can remaster the missions, but so far, they still haven't returned since 2018.
Agent daniels was one of the best characters in discovery. Such an interesting life hes lived.
The subtle Enterprise Theme underlay when Daniels introduces himself...
I do wonder though what it must have been like or to be like to have lived so long and seen and done so much the way Daniels has. The memories he must carry and the silence that he must keep.
and the Weight that he carries
Impressive that he managed to evolve from tool to cool.
You saw Matt Winston on Scrubs, didn't you?
@@partyguy101ify - I was referring to Daniels directly. Although I suppose Archer was an even bigger tool. So much so that Daniels had to literally take him to see what he was supposed to do because otherwise he probably wouldn't have done it.
Agent Daniels, USS ENTERPRISE, and other places.
And now comes My Top 10 best episodes From Star Trek Discovery
Number 10: If Memory Serves
Number 09: Mirrors
Number 08: Choose To Live
Number 07: Red Directive
Number 06: Lagrange Point
Number 05: Unification Part 3
Number 04: Rubicon
Number 03: What's Past Is Prologue
Number 02: Choose Your Pain
Number 01: Terra Firma Parts 1&2
Ever since he first appeared in Season 3, my mom and I knew there was more about Kovich than meets the eye, and it all made sense when he revealed he was Agent Daniels from Enterprise.
Was there crying in the finale? It would be fitting if there was
I cried with them!
What's all this crap about crying. I literally hardly see it at all.
Lifelong Trekkie here. Honest to god, I went totally bonkers when he said that line. I mean, how can you not be stoked?! It's DANIELS!
uhm are you sure about that?
I didnt care for the original actor to play agent daniels but if you were going to intentionally recast all along you could not have done much better.
This is the third reference to the Enterprise show. The first being Lorca looking the names of famous starfleet captains, then the archer soace dock and now this one. Or I am missing others?
In Season 3 they mention the Temporal War. One of the scientists who hid clues was a Denobulan. In the first season, a ship was called USS Shran. Ni'Var, Vulcan's new name, was also the name of a Vulcan ship in Enterprise.
I’m very glad they paid respects to Enterprise
Hang on a minute, did admiral Vance just call saru admiral? Am I missing something ?
I wonder if anyone has been able to get a closer look at the artifacts to see if there are any other relics from the past shows.
The ones that we can actually see are: Chateau Picard wine, Geordi La Forge's original VISOR and Benjamin Sisko's baseball. Thus implying that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
That bottle was actually the bottle used to christen the Enterprise-B in Star Trek Generations. But being a DS9 fan Sisko’s baseball is my favorite
@@dhavoc8india705No. It was from Star Trek Picard
Hey that joke is pretty subtle. Youd never make it as a Discovery writer.
This was a bottle of 2265 Dom Pérignon champagne
I think Admiral Lance messed up a line. When he congratulates sure on his wedding he greats Suru as admiral instead of ambassador. Unless Suru got a promotion and is and officer again?
Saru returned to Starfleet and was promoted to admiral, although he continued his duties as an ambassador.
I somehow missed this. thanks
This is a really nice callback!
So almost everyone at the wedding was over 500 years old, think about that one, but making the jump with your whole crew would make it manageable. 🖖
I don't think he would have said Enterprise at all. Probably would have mentioned some temporal ship he was eventually captain of or some agency.
I didn't see this coming
Thanks for the spoiler alert!
Agent Daniels. Give me a break. He's a love child of Ted Danson and JJ Abrams.
Judging by Saru and T'Rina's wedding, I assume 32nd century Vulcans don't repress their emotions as much as they did in the past? Because I can't imagine a 22nd or even 24th century vulcan to say with excitement "may I present the newly weds!"
Wouldn`t it made more sense to have more things of the NX Enterprise in his rooms and also call it "NX Enterprise" and not USS?
Did You notice all of the "Easter Eggs"?
Should have swapped Geordis VISOR prop for a random replica collar and zoomed on the tag that says Porthos. So there is a nod to each era rather than a duplicate to the TNG time with nothing for Archers era.
Archer would have never let him have anything, Dude dragged him into the Temporal cold war.
So why didn't Daniels stop the Burn from destroying Starfleet by just leaving a note for Starfleet Command to shut down all warp cores for one day for a one time event?
Strange new worlds may have hinted at a reason that being without the burn, something much worse could have happened, what that could have been who knows , simply put star feet was likely not only power be hurt by the burn.
After and unknown amount of time going through time unfucking the timeline from various points
He finally gets to retire
@doubt.
People like him don't ever retire.
Was Saru promoted to Admiral?
If he ever returned to Starfleet after his ambassadorial position he probably would eventually reach Admiral.
Yeah, Vance referred to Saru as Admiral at the wedding.
Mr Cronenberg, I presume?
I just finished watching Enterprise for the first time so this was perfect.l for me.
And to all the haters....... Your still invited to Thanksgiving.
Yes leave this till the last episode 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I'm like this show could have interlinked with Enterprise bringing back the actors as Archer is still alive when this was the pilot, it's just so frustrating all the waste.
Makes the temprial war and time agent class in star trek online more meh I guess or interesting
They should have Matt Winston reprise his role as Daniels as it not uncommon for the same person to play different characters
eff me! USS Enterprise?"
I wanted him to be the emh
Now I have to hate Dr Kovach because he is the bastard who dumped me in the 25th century on STO.
I love The Connection with Enterprise Making Kovitch Agent Daniels from NX 01 Enterprise and The USS Enterprise J.
says a lot that cronenberg and martin-green have both said this scene meant absolutely nothing to them! They had no clue who daniels was,hence it was a last minute deal and not a long planned event! Smacks of the whole series tbh, a clueless bumble around trying to make decent trek and failing
I agree; emblematic of Kurtzmann Trek as a whole.
But its a reference, Nerds love references! /s
That's not Agent Daniels.
That's Brick Top from Snatch, my old pedigree chum.
Where's his temporal observatory?
I'm not recognising the champagne bottle...
Its a bottle of Picard.
Did you mean the nx-01 Enterprise?
Oh well, at least Nu Trek tried
This is wonderful
What an awesome Series. I'm so sad to see it had to end. I hope we se more of that crew and timeline. To bad we haven't seen more of the DS9 Crew!!
RIIIPPPP off.
*USS* Enterprise ??? 😕😕😕😕
He could have served aboard one of the uss Enterprises properly before becoming a temporal agent perhaps, though kinda hard to tell eith how Daniels is a many of may secrets 😂though at least we got the explanation of how he had a 21st century pad of paper
The NX-01 was renamed the USS Enterprise when the Federation was formed. I guess it can be seen when the ship is in Geordi's museum. Also, the artifacts here imply that Daniels has connections to the Enterprise D and Deep Space 9.
@@WarGrowlmon18 and possibly the Enterprise-B I think that bottle was used in Star Trek Generations to christen the Excelsior-Class USS Enterprise-B
NX-01 temporal wars
USS Enterprise 1701-J
The only reason I don't like this scene is because nothing of what he's saying means anything to Burnham or any of the other characters. SThey weren't a part of ENT. It's like the scene in Into Darkness where Khan tells the Enterprise crew that he's Khan and they're just like "okay" because it doesn't mean anything to them, they don't have the same history together.
Synapse for possible season 6 or movie (fun only) it's been 20 years since Admiral Michael Burnham sent discovery off on its new red directive mission, but when Agent Daniels appears at her home with dying from a Phaser blast and the USS discovery appears in orbit of Earth, Michael must assume command once more and stop a new Time War before the future and past of the federation changes forever.
People wearing glasses in the 23rd century takes you out of the show.
He actually stated that he doesn’t need to. But enjoys it. Remember this guy is a time traveler. He loves old things.
@@malchalati Very true that is what he said.
@paulkolbuc.
Kirk wore glasses in at least of the movies if I remember correctly. Did that take him out of his century?
NO.
Breaks my heart this amazing show coming to an end so soon. What a shame
This is the ending of discovery
It should've been cancelled 2 seasons ago. The writers never had a clue how to write this drek of a show.
They are least figured out what people wanted with Picard and Lower Decks. Lower Decks ending is going to be sad.
@@DarthTach this season was better than the Burn tho. Wish we'd gotten it instead.
I am as much in shock over Kovich as others. I bet he was the thief in TNG "A matter of Time"....
I wish the entire universe blew up and reset back to its original timeline.
this show is the putrid brain fart of somebody six days dead. once again, magic space jesus is loved by everybody, never does wrong, and when they do it's always for the bestest possible reason and eventually everybody will admit they were wrong or that space jesus was right and is the only thing anybody ever talks about. oh micheal, you're my inspiration, we couldn't be here without you micheal, my dishwasher is full, only you can help me michael. It's beyond pathetic.
Kinda ironic. They tried so extremely hard to be inclusive but made the only one who’s gay in real life get a heterosexual wedding on screen.
@shafown_gringo3595 Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz are both gay in real life and portray a married gay couple on the show. Tig Notaro is a lesbian and Jett Reno had a wife who had died before we met her.
@@teresaravenshaw5477 you are totally missing the point. These characters did not have a wedding on screen. I guess. Because I’m surely not wasting one mouseclick to look for the real names of these hacks or any of the characters they play. Anyway I’m pretty sure even without me knowing even one of these pathetically characters name my points pretty solid there
Well, that explains a few things.
Also, I am shocked at the amount of hatred for Discovery, Enterprise and Voyager among some 'fans'. The whole point of Star Trek is to embrace differences, not be third-rate drama critics.
I adore enterprise and it’s one of my favorite series! Voyager was ok in the later seasons. Now I’m sorry but disco is not it for me. The writing has consistently made me struggle to care about any of the characters, and by the end of the show I still don’t know the names of the bridge crew. I don’t judge people who like it, but it’s not the kind of trek I enjoy watching. To me every season feels like it could have been one episode but got dragged out unnecessarily
Oh man, now I see the resemblance. But now we have to make it up to Matt Winston and give him a role in his own series as a younger (Codename) Dr. Kovich.
I'm so happy I dnfc about This waste of time
It is genuinely awful to see how STD brazenly besmirched canon by fumbling about with it in their storylines...
The fuck are you saying. There isn’t no canon breaking here.
I liked the sto daniels betterä
Why?
Absolutely awful show
Contrived character arc. STD sucks.
It was a waste to bring him back on this series.
1 minute 20 seconds.
This scene lasted 1 minute and 20 seconds before the tears arrived
omg make it stop make it stop make the idiotic nonsense sto... oh thank god it stopped.
That reveal had nothing to do with the plot 1🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ sooooooo glad this sh*t show is over 😂😂
Glad I never got into this show. Only episodes I liked is when pike on there
Why did he need to be Daniels? Also she made that leap way too fast
It’s called lazy writing
Eh, Kovich always seemed 'out of time' to me. Didn't expect him to be Daniels, but never believed he was only Dr. Kovich.
Just like _Picard_, they think that memberberries can substitute for good writing.
They can't.
Pathetic ending. Such low standards for a Star Trek series
id rather watch the movie with the whales again..
LoL
Seems like Star Trek got its own Doctor.
Nothing more millennial and non-Trekie than that.
I want to ask the people who defend this scene.
You're telling me that they have the Burn, a cataclysmic event where everyone's warp cores blew up, and they couldn't send time agents to go back to fix that? Daniels couldn't go back in time to fix that, either? Don't tell me that the temporal Cold War or temporal prime directive prevents that. The Burn resulted in the deaths of many, affected EVERYONE, Every race equally, and wiped out space-faring travel for centuries. They would have done it (been a united effort too), and with 32nd-century tech, they would have been able to do it EASILY. Heck, if that was the main plot, that would have made this scene work very well.
Now, if you want to argue that this isn't the same universe as the other Star Trek shows, fine. Otherwise, in the end, this scene feels.....
All time travel technology were destroyed after the Temporal Wars because lots of factions used time travel as a weapon. Meaning All Time travel technology is banned and illegal, and all factions signed the Temporal Accord to outright banned said technology, which is Ironclad. Meaning they can never time travel EVER.
If you paid any attention, you'd remember that Time Travel and Temporal Technology was banned because of the damage done by the Temporal Cold War and Temporal Wars. So much so that Guardian of Forever relocated itself (probably multiple times). As to using Time Travel itself to try to prevent The Burn... what if doing so might create an even worse catastrophe than The Burn?
(Keep in mind that in the novels, DTI was kept from arresting Janeway over how Voyager returned precisely because it was the event that broke the back of the Borg. It is also made clear that the Enterprise-E going back in time to First Contact was supposed to happen. Temporal Agents don't play God precisely because their job is to observe and lessen the damage to the timeline due to malicious attempts to rewrite history. Also, this is why The Watchers exist.)
@@AltaniNerdAuRa Thank you for answering.
It still doesn't really make much sense, though. Remember this would have been more than just the temporal agents. All the races would have worked together to try to resolve this instead of just one side or one group. The Burn was as bad as it could get because it affected everyone equally and resulted in wiping out warp travel. In fairness, Star Trek has been filled with inconsenstities dealing with time travel (expected when you have +500 episodes of various shows), because if that would have been the case, Kirk would have been stopped from going back to save the whales, or the multiude of other stories dealing with going back to the past to fix something.
It just feels like a waste in story concept and even shoehorned in for this particular scene. I don't think they really had in plans prior to who the old man was and pretty much made it up on the spot. Season 3 of STD could have used the idea of going back to the past to stop the Burn from happening with Daniels being one of many moving parts during this process. Later on its revealed that the old man is Agent Daniels. It would have worked out very well, made sense, and hold a deeper impact for the audience.
Shhhhhhhhh!!!!! Don't think about it! Don't ask questions, just consume product!
Also the fact there had to be some form of time travel for them to even setup the events that lead to Calpyso.
Absolute drivel.
Lame! Not everything has to be a call-back! He’s a great stand-alone character. Making him Daniels adds nothing!
What is this crap? The Orville?
anal matter.
I'd rather watch Star Trek from the golden days!
Christ that show is terrible. I am so glad it was cancelled.
I am not glad, the day star trek ends will be the day I kill myself, I love all star trek, since it saved my life, so all you haters of Discovery remember the Vulcan vidic Infinite diversity in Infinite combinations
@@marcuswallis6192happy trails
And yet here you are.
And now my top 10 Worst Episodes from Star Trek Discovery
Number 10: The Wolf Inside
Number 09: Brother
Number 08: Such Sweet Sorrow Parts 1&2
Number 07: People Of Earth
Number 06: All In
Number 05: That Hope Is You Parts 1&2
Number 04: Will You Take My Hand?.
Number 03: Project Dedalus
Number 02: Whistlespeak
Number 01: Face The Strange
I very much enjoyed this finale, but I wish Discovery had been able to finish a seven year run.
I guess that explains why he's so weird, I guess. I still have no plans on watching season 5. I never finished season 4 because it was like nails on a chalkboard. I never finished season 2 of SNW for the same reason. The writers aren't writing the shows for a diverse crowd, and that's coming from someone who might be described as "woke".
Your comment is incoherent.
@@chriscarlsen42 That's nice. Please explain.
@@chriscarlsen42 So, why are the writers of Discovery not marketing the shows for a diverse crowd? CBS is marketing Discovery toward women. You can check on that for yourself. Why is that a problem? Star Trek has always been marketed for a diverse crowd. It's supposed to be for everyone. Maybe, not white supremacists, misogynists, and religious fanatics, but, in general, everyone. Discovery, especially season 4 on, is just a soap opera about Micheal and her boyfriend. That's just not my thing. Just watch something that interests me? Sure, but Star Trek has always been for a diverse crowd. They usually accomplish this by providing a mixed bag of ideas for the show. Discovery does that to a degree, but the show is wrapped around Micheal and her boyfriend. It got to be a well used cliche that was in every episode. There are other aspects as well that make the show female centered rather than diverse.