Gen Z Grad Faces The Brutal Reality of Job Search In 2024
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- Gen Z Grad Faces The Brutal Reality of Job Search In 2024. This Gen-Z college student finds that job search is tough, especially in today's job market. Mass applying to 1000 jobs isn't the answer, though. In this video, I break down his situation and some possible solutions.
0:00 - intro
1:07 - The original video
4:32 - The Job market sucks right now
6:00 - Mass applying doesn't work
7:36 - Why companies repost jobs
10:43 - Are 4 interviews too many?
15:23 - Ghosting by companies
17:02 - How to stand out
19:13 - Your degree doesn't make you special
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Entry-level is the hardest to get in to. You're competing with your classmates, last years classmates that couldn't find jobs, people who lost their higher level positions, international students/workers on visas, and legal/illegal migrants.
I have a question I want to know your thoughts on. I read this online as a response to determine if a job posting is an "evergreen/ghost" job, and that is As a job seeker, you owe it to yourself to ask and receive solid answers to the following questions upon first contact with a recruiter -- internal or external:
-- What's the budget salary for this role?
-- Is this role fully funded?
-- What is the latest anticipated date for onboarding this role?
-- Please outline the hiring process, including rounds and timing...
and if any of these get run-around answers, that its a big red flag. and to ask for these answers in writing.
How are youbgoing to say there is no value in goung to work for costco to sell cell phones, then go on ti say that people with business degrees go the sales route? You contradicted yourself. Retail cellphone sales IS sales. Your views are often inconsistent and contradictory . Beginning to lose faith in what you say
@@imogendedo8296 a job is better than no job - I bet that one position could open doors for him and give him experiences he could bring to the interviews
From my experience, hiring managers and especially HR managers ... They all book thousands of interviews each and every year. All as a ruse to justify their schedules and paychecks.
It don't matter if you white collar, blue collar, a high school dropout or someone with a PHD. The job market is screwed up.
They outsourced everything to China
yeah, it screwed for everybody
Truth!
Here, have another 100,000 migrants. That should help with the competition right?
H1bs and offshore
Well I’ve applied for over 600 jobs and I’m a Creative Director with over 30 years international design industry experience - I’ve won 2 innovation awards and 6 design awards and worked with Apple and most of the top 100 blue chip brands - and I can’t get a job!
So what am I doing?
I’m creating my own international creative design agency and will be targeting those agencies I’ve applied for jobs to and am going after all their clients.
I'm here for this
Bro’s out for blood 😭
Seriously best of luck to you though.
Yea at 30 yrs you should’ve already have started an agency. Whats stopped you. Theres a 20 yr old who started one already. It’s not about experience it’s about desire and courage. You got this.
Great idea ! 😁
Posting to see if bro's revenge arc will pan out
Sir, i filed 400 job applications and did 270 assessments in the span of 4 weeks. I applied to all the jobs I have experience with. The only callbacks I got were from scam companies.
Wow unbelievable. I hate when companies do this, especially when people that are still unemployed are still looking for employment. My sister used to get callbacks from scam companies as well.
@keciaaskew5166 the scam companies are starting to use the names of companies in other parts of the world that you would need a local number to contact. They're getting bold.
i got woken up at 10 am from a scam company trying to set me up with an interview. ive never sent my resume or nothin'. but i got a text an hour later about people who made 1,000 a day, no cold calls.
I hate how the companies sell our information to scammers who just call us to try getting us to move to NYC for a potential job that requires an in-person interview.
Great way to get robbed blind. Don't go to NYC.
This is actually becoming a huge issue. Places like indeed are selling our data to scammers (advertisers). Assume your resume and job application is public information when using job application sites.
It’s a sign the country is in a silent depression. Hundreds or thousands of people applying to multiple jobs last happened in the Great Depression. This time it’s less in your face because we have welfare and food banks now.
Fun fact: The Great Depression never ended. We're still in it!
Oh please. GDP has been steadily growing. We are not in a recession or depression at all.
@@nick8243 the GDP only means how much the wealth of the 1% has grown. Stop using that as any kind of metric …If you have a situation where 450 people are applying for one job in a coffee shop that means the country is in a depression. Only reason you’re not noticing dummy is because we have food stamps otherwise who’d have 12% of the population pandling on the streets. And the government is fudging the figures.
@@nick8243were in a another recession. Look at the stock market numbers. We also got troops deployeed in haiti, were involved in multiple wars in the middle east and were involved with ukraine as well as the illegal immigrant crisis. Sending away to higher billions away every month overseas.
I said this were in a worse depression and arent saying that. Problem is the depression wont end this time bc of rampant lack of empathy. This is the new norm.
Companies always tell me they refuse to train. That's the ONLY problem I'm running into.
yea they want everyone to be magically fully trained, and conjure the money and time out of thin air to do that, and not reimburse you with pay to be pre-trained.
I 100% relate
You have to get an internship.
@@KRYMauL lol been at my job for 5 years
@@KRYMauLYou don’t listen! Even employers want interns with internship experience lol It’s a catch 22 situation! I am so lucky I was able to get a role without internships. You need connections these days or be lucky
It feels like more work applying for work than actually working the job. 😂
I dread applying!
Applying for jobs IS a full time job.
Get internships now!!! You're never too young or inexperienced to try. Get as many as you can, even if they make your degree multiple years longer.
Facts it's a full time job applying and interviewing
The hardest job you'll ever have is unemployment
@@user-xp5id1kh4r
The majority of internships want a person to be currently in college. If you're already a graduate it's hard to get into an internship program. At least that's what I've experienced.
There are NO ENTRY Level jobs for young people! The entry jobs retires 5 years experience. A son has an Economics degree and is only getting jobs like this young fellow. Instead finance jobs he gets data entry, packing boxes?! What a waste of time getting a degree in the market! He working on a CFA and still NOTHING!! Hiring processes are BROKEN!
Taco Bell is hiring immediately.
@@DakotaFord592 They pay $20/hr too, that's 41,600 a yr.
Today I learned I make less than Taco Bell and work in IT. Thanks.
@@alexhamilton3522 depends on where you live. They pay less than $10 an hour where I live
An economics degree with no internships or consulting clubs etc is not very competive today
This isn’t just a “Gen-Z” problem.
Vote Biden y’all
He imported 1.5 million foreign students in 2023, endless H1B and L work visas. This mother fucker is soo corrupt, supplying these cheap labor and letting colleges make millions on these students.
Pouring in Illegal immigrants, sending 100’s of billions to foreign countries, this country is fucked.
All that matters to these women is their abortion rights. Fuck Biden
yeah, but its worst for gen z, other generations had jobs, we never got the chance
this was an issue 20 years ago
@@circleinforthecube5170 it’s been shitty for decades, but granted it’s getting worse
It's a USA problem.
My 23 yr old son is currently going through this bs. Something is seriously wrong. Very wrong.
24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone.
Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to
@CC-br9qg There is something terribly wrong in America. The media and DC are outright lying to the public. These companies are not hiring because of... ??? My best advice to you is to apply for registration jobs in hospitals located near your home. Then, go back to school part-time to become a nurse or radiology tech or something else in medical. Look on the career page of local hospitals to see which field is in demand.
@@CC-br9qg the medical field is still hiring. Consider searching for jobs at your local hospitals.
I live in an area where despite the gaping need for healthcare workers, young people have to boosted to work in hospitals. I am not risking my health especially given my low risk status. They have cut out willing and hard working young people solely based on this and it's wrong. I would have gladly worked in a position in healthcare @@AnnMitt
@@CC-br9qg AnnMitt is right. Consider working in the medical field as a medical assistant, assistant nurse, home health aid, or hospital administration and move up from there. As more Baby Boomers retire and grow old, personal health aid and assistance will be in high demand.
Call centers are the worst as they have been outsourced to India. Same as IT, tech, and engineering jobs. Stay away from the worthless job posting sites like LinkedIn, Indeed, and others.
As you are still young, consider other possible paths including private tutoring, working in AI or robotics, fixing heating or air conditioning systems, or doing some accounting especially during tax seasons when the gvmt steals our money. Because of the crappy economy right now, sometimes you will have to force yourself to work in something that does not fit to your degree or college education. Always go for the fields that are in high demand
Getting an internship is a joke. You'll have the exact same issue trying to land one and have to deal with insane competition. It's a race to the bottom for a job that won't even pay you.
You know a lot of internships pay right? Look at any Big4, they start at 68K-70K and hire at 85K out of college. Everyone I went to Uni with is doing great but we all stuck to the books, clubs, internships and had great grades. If you take time to chill during the summers, etc. you won't do nothing but pay back Uncle Sam.
Good luck getting one. 3.95 GPA and heavily involved in college never unemployed since age 14 couldn't land one. LOL@@Drakhulis
@@DrakhulisInternships that pay well have hundreds of applicants. The wife of a friend works in HR and she said they get 300+ applications within a week when they post an internship. I myself have applied for 2 interships last month with nice long motivational letters ... 0 response.
Most companies I applied for did internships BUT you have to be in college currently. I had already graduated. 😪
@@Cateutopia Then you can still just get a job. I graduated with a degree that isn't even CS and I got my first job as a developer.
Stores will literally leave "help wanted" signs in the window for years and never hire because it gives the impression to customers that the staff shortage is temporary rather than a permanent choice to understaff the store to make a buck.
McDonald's is hiring immediately.
@@DakotaFord592 Maybe where you are it is.
Wrong. They can't find good help. I was hiring every week. They don't show up on the first day or quit before training is complete. No matter how well you treat them they behave horrible.
Yeah it also gives the illusion that the company is growing too and they always want a stack of applications just for when they actually do hire.
@@DakotaFord592😂😂😂
Finally landed a manager position at Amazon. Thank God. I really lucked out with their base salary (about $62k), company stock and 4 days on 3 days off schedule. Took about 9 months from when I lost my good paying corporate gig at Wells Fargo. Absolute insanity in the job market.
Congrats!
that’s what im looking for out of college. im doing an internship there this summer. i have a big leg-up because i work there as a college student.
Congratulations 👏👏👏👏👏
Goodluck, Amazon lays off people regularly so they don't have to pay more for promotions regardless how goof you are at your job... Its easier to fire and replace than pay someone more. I have multiple friends after 1 year that are highly qualified be let go..
This is why I slowed down on applying for jobs. I still apply, just not as much. These companies are liars. I’m glad I have job right now. I can’t imagine how bad it is for people who are unemployed.
Same here. A year ago I was fervently trying to apply to as many things as I could, but still ended up in the same situation as pretty much everyone else here in the comments.
Now I've just thrown up my hands because what is the point. I'm still glad that at least I have something for the time being
Same. I have a job. I kind of hate it, but having work allows me to slowly send out apps to higher-level positions. I'll land one eventually.
@@arkainin4638 Same here. I don’t hate my job but it’s not the type of work I want to do. The pay is also bad but it’s better than not knowing where my next check is coming from. Looking for another job at this time is crazy. I hope can find a job in the field I am interested in before the end of the year at least.
@@krunchyapples The point is if you do not apply, you will not get anything.
The people with money are all following the script. They only hire corrupt incompetent people then they cry about no one being qualified and foreigners keep getting hired. It's a snow job.
"A life after a layoff" is starting to look like me living under a bridge, burning my Amazon certifications to stay warn.
Are you my long lost twin or something? I have AWS certs too, but now I'm homeless.
I have the three highest google cloud certificates and had to settle for a helpdesk job.
I applied Google cloud platform jobs in 2020 and they were asking for ten years experience; GCP came out in 2013 (seven years old).
@@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301 I’ve seen that sort of stuff so often, asking for more years of experience than the thing has been out. I’ve seen like two cases where the people who CREATED the program get rejected for not having enough experience in said program, despite the applications also listing more years in experience than the age of the program. It’s crazy enough that I’ve seen that once, but twice is just hilarious. Both devs, two separate occasions.
Yeah certs don't really help that much. Experience is what most companies look for. Your best bet is to find an over seas company from India that will teach you while on the job. Most IT work is being done by them in the background. Some of the largest companies in the world outsource their entire it department to India.
Well, yes certificates can only get you an entry level job. That’s normal. Once you get that entry level experience you can move up. @@prismbrandingrealestatebra6301
My son went on 15 job interviews and about half said that they're not hiring but they have to interview a certain amount of applicants bc the corporate offices tell them to.
Wven the hiring managers don't know why they're doing it sometimes.
Man, seems wasteful and unnecessarily taxing on everyone. I know if/when we ever were hiring, if we found a good candidate, we’d just… y’know… stop and appreciate the fact that we now have a great new person on the team to help us out and get stuff done. That’s _supposed_ to be how it works. Damn.
What a waste of time and energy
@alicruz4900
The local taco bell has and the same sign up for 4 years "now hiring all shifts" but not a single kid i know in town, high school or college, that has applied has ever been interviewed. This town doesn't even have 10,000 people in it.
I don't see the interviewer being that blunt why they are interviewing someone.
@ShawnRomack
He was exactly that blunt. I literally said idk why. To me, it sounds like some kind of government subsidy is involved bc how many corporations or small businesses, or farms, or whatever, will say they're hiring, do interviews and then not hire anyone? For years?
Too bad internships require the same amount of experience as an entry level job. How do you get work experience when you need experience to get in the door?
Honestly just fucking lie at this point
@@Wanderer2035 You literally just have to claim "freelance" experience so that it's impossible to track down and then make up projects you worked on.
I have always asked that question. I got my AS degree in Occupational Therapy Assist and every job I applied to, they call me just to tell me that they prefer someone with experience. I asked why isnt my clinical rotations considered entry level experience? I wouldn’t have passed if I didn’t show competency. So, basically, I was denied everywhere. Very disheartening.
I'm gen X and I'm going through the EXACT thing this gen Z guy is, and I HAVE experience.
GenX here too. Lost my Exec VP job Aug 2022 and I’m over 100 applications, 3 interviews one offer that was declined (min wage and lots of travel req).
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, ya old boomer
Gen x here too. I went thru it too!!
Same here.
Same. Gen-X here. 20 years experience and 300+ applications. about 10 interviews, no offers. I gave up. Working on getting my CDL now so I can drive truck.
Older overqualified guy here unsuccessfully looking for any reasonable job after closing my last business. After one year I can't find anything, and I have the skills and experience to literally run these companies. I still have 5-10 working years left, but living in poverty now forced into retirement. Several professional employment consultants have determined that I am being discriminated against. Yes, the job market is very broken.
Unfortunately, you and your generation helped craft the particularly unique hell of a job market we're in now... at least you'll have SS for a few years once you retire and maybe even a house you can afford... but the majority of millennials/gen z's can barely get jobs, let alone any of those other "luxuries"
One trick is not to indicate your age by putting the year you graduated on the resume as that can be a giveaway. Limit job history to 10 years "previous history avaliable upon request"
@@ObscureStuff420 Thanks for the tips. I checked and I don't include the year of graduation however, I do include 20 years or more of work history. I think I will trim that part.
@@user-xp5id1kh4r I'm not the one making the rules. I have to play by the same rules everyone else does. I never got any free handouts. I've done more than my share by employing, supporting younger generations, feeding families, and providing counseling and charity to the less fortunate. I've done my best for you and your peers. I wish you great success!
There was a switch, a shift. I learned about toxicity in relationships, and it was toxicity from top to bottom. Anyone who has a PM degree, well, they do work I cannot do, but their input in so limited to being a pencil pusher but make all the decisions that impact everything. Its all just numbers and control. I saw older people bullying and manipulating young workers, dangling promotions and raises that mean nothing but more responsibilities.
Older competent qualified workers are not allowed to be strongly opinionated juniors. They MUST be high paying seniors who are responsible for everything. Or else, they prefer a young 24 year old junior who will do what they are told and sit quiet and happy for the job and pay.
But an older gentleman who got a lot of recent certifications finally found a job. Oh definitely helps to live in a hub, not choosing out of 20 companies.
This all goes back to the fact that the U.S. doesn't make it's own products anymore and has way too many people going to college. The U.S, has outsourced most manufacturing to other countries. And it was all done by a few billionaires who realized they could make even more.
This is the best comment here and the brutal truth. I used to work for an MSP and we farmed out all the technical work to India and Mexico.
This is incorrect, its a standard doom loop in economics with any ponzi scheme. Anytime the economic cycle stalls there's massive unrest and upheaval. China made it cheaper to consolidate the supply chain to a few single points of failure. First thing you do with a resilient system is make it brittle, then bring it to crisis so it fractures under the pressure. People have been saying this for decades but all the corrupt people involved still got their way.
NAFTA "The Giant Sucking Sound Going South" Was Millennials and Gen Z Jobs Gone To Other Countries.
As soon as companies started feeling the hurt of the covid recession, they cut their "bullshit jobs" that keep unemployment low. The mask slipped off and smashed into a million pieces on the ground. We're seeing what a "SeRvIcE BaSeD EcOnOmY" gets us in the age of tech.
you do realize that we are trying to onsure manufacturing don't you? the population has been crashing in all the countries we outsourced to so now that we have all the millennials that can work supposedly they want to bring the manufacturing to where the labor is. and don't forget about Mexico there are a lot of young people in Mexico more so than here in the US so combined that is a very big labor force. you guys just don't want to work in manufacturing.
Thank god that i live in germany. I sent 12 applications last year, 3 interviews, 3 job offers and i took the best paid one. The amercian market sounds awful
Please help get me out of here!!! 😭😭😭
really ??? god damn, what do i have to do to live there ??
Just leave US , buy a one way ticket
Must be nice when you don’t have to pay for defence and rely on big daddy USA
Lol I live in Germany as an American and the job market is pretty shit. Underpaid with extreme toxicity with bosses
This kid is so right about college, they don't care about your degree or grads, all they care is about your experience especially if you don't have any. Labor market is broken.
A business degree by itself is useless. Being bilingual, majoring in a skill and minoring in business is more useful,
this is not true, it depends on the company. I applied to a job that their HR reached out since the guy knew me, and they went looking for my transcripts via the government since my school no longer exists. FYI I had been in the industry for 5+ years at this point.
They absolutely care about degrees, but it isn't a differentiator. Everyone is applying with degrees. If you don't have a degree and you have no work experience it is even worse.
Literally getting into a trade for about 75 to 80% of the US population is probably better at this point. I remember being utterly destroyed when i graduated with a much more relevant degree than just business or something like communications. Because I wasn't from a major city I couldn't get a good internship, it was only by the literal grace of God that I was able to connect with the right people a year after I graduated.
@@stevenjacobs2750 They "care" about degrees because it means there is a good chance the graduate is desperate and easy to exploig.
How to get a Job: "Just get an internship"
How to get an Internship: *Shrug*
I hate to tell you this dude but this is the opposite of helpful. It took me TWO YEARS of applying to find a internship and I only managed to find one because my dad called in a favor from a realestate firm he knows. Over 3.0 GPA, volunteer work, EVERYTHING and I couldn't find jack shit.
An internship is just a shitty job. All the same job market bullshit applies to them too
Yes the life after layoff guy is just spewing standard copium....target your applications, network, work like a slave as an intern
Unfortunately yes, "knowing someone" is the only way in a lot of times.
@@keithparker1346we need more upheaval over this and making noise bc this is scary
In a company i have worked for they were constantly looking for interns, none of them was hired.
If you show intern in your cv it tells that you are ready to work for free! If possible target any job and search new one every day!
Remember when it was one interview and a lot of the time they would offer the job right there on the spot?
That’s how I got the job I’m at now. Interview was 5 minutes. Next day they were booking my flight and hotel for training for the following week.
This 2nd round, 3rd, 4th and such sounds like a nightmare.
I miss the simpler times. The human relationship is gone now and it's all just dispassionate bureaucracy and machines running you through filters where you don't even get to speak to a real person anymore unless your resume has all the right keywords. And when did boomers and gen X get together one day and collectively decide they were pulling the ladder up behind them and expecting everyone that follows them to meet all these absurd credential and experience requirements?
Gen Xer here---job market been broken since the 08 financial panic. Thank you ghost jobs : (
The job market for tech jobs is horrible. I was laid off this Feb. after working for a company for 25 years. I sent out over 35 applications and not a single call back. I updated my resume and made it ATS compliant. There is something going on. I’d rather go back to answering ads in newspapers. Whatever tactics companies are using nowadays is shameful.
The tech market is a trainwreck. Absolute disaster. It’s worse at top end I think because lots of FAANG employees are on the market.
Wait till you do get a call back. The interviews are insane. Most companies are doing at least one tech interview, a take home project, then another couple rounds of traditional interviews.
They expect you to dedicate the better part of an entire work day just to be rejected.
It's not just tech jobs, it's decent people too. Everyone is being squeezed by these capitalist lunatics.
@@sawyer4981 I know in at least company this is what’s happening. The market is so crazy right now, they want to be sure they don’t hire the wrong person. So they will reject 20 people who may work to avoid hiring one who doesn’t. It’s brutal right now.
Just 35 applications? Sorry, expect to send hundreds more. I've been looking for 6 months and have applied to hundreds.
The problem with quantity over quality is that you now need both. 10 years ago I could spend a day applying to 20 jobs, and get at least a few calls. That doesn't work anymore. I have sent over 100 very well tailored resumes over the last three months, ZERO calls back. Hell, only a couple even bothered to send a rejection.
What is your profession, and in which state are you?
@@ProfesionalAP Software development. I'm currently employed, just not happy where I am currently. I've applied to places in just about every state at this point it seems.
@@sawyer4981
I have similar experiences. I got changed from a W2 to a 1099 and am worried about what that means for me keeping my current job.
@@sawyer4981I'm in IT also. It's a very broken market now
@@sawyer4981 Tip: Not sure if you are doing it or not, but if there is an option to provide a cover letter, ALWAYS do. CL speaks for you on so many levels (saves HR time, demonstrates your comms skills, tells HR why youy are a fit, that you are not lazy, etc).
He should have taken the job at Costco selling cell phones for $41k and kept looking while he was working. It’s true that work experience is key and a business degree is not very impressive at all. I majored in Business-Finance and even did internships but still started off as a bank teller after college. From there, I applied to other positions within banks and no longer stayed in an entry level position. I know a guy who is doing really well in mortgage and he started of working at T-Mobile selling cell phones.
Very good point. If I could add sales experience on my resume, I would do it. After all these years, I realize that being a salesperson is one of the toughest jobs out there. The truth is that for every one contract signed, you could end up with 99 rejects. So mentally you must stay very tough to stay in the business.
Was reading through comments to see if anyone had the same thought
Exactly, he will build experience to add to his resume. He too good to sell cellphones i guess. Idk man these dudes on social media cringe af.
@@mbotentoto5162 It's the way Gen Z has been conditioned by their parents.
Strong agree. Costco provides benefits; you shouldn't knock that. He's probably living with parents and still on their insurance.
Honestly, I don't know what you're going about with internships. I've tried to get internships, and they have all rejected me despite me going to school for IT. I don't have the benefits of nepotism. My friends aren't in the field, I hardly have family, much less family that can even try to get me an entry level job somewhere. The first job is so needlessly hard that this job market system needs to be burnt down.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this 35-round interview process mess. It's ridiculous and unnecessary. I know for a fact that at least one of the Big 3 automotive companies that hires white collar positions literally has ONE interview after the initial talent acquisitions call, and then you're either offered or you're not. That's how it should go. You're applying for a JOB, you're not getting married or buying a company. This is all Google's fault. They started this 35-round interview mess, and now all of these bootleg companies think they're Google and try to emulate them. It's a major waste of time/resources, and completely unnecessary unless you're applying for an extremely high ranking position in the company (e.g. CFO, CTO, etc...).
Everything about this current job market is absolutely broken.
Google doesn't do a ton of interviews though. There are 3 interviews to get you approved as a candidate in the system. After that, you do interviews for roles. For an admin that might be 2-3. If those folks don't choose you, you will repeat that process for each open role. So if it took 35 interviews to get hired at Google, that might represent having been in consideration for 5-7+ roles, depending on how senior.
@@Kimberly_SparklesWhen I say 35 rounds I'm obviously not meaning that "literally." Even 4 rounds is entirely too much. I have yet to see a company that has less than 4 rounds of interviews.
This is how it goes in the current job market if you're LUCKY:
Round 1: Talent Acquisitions (Sorry, but yes, I consider a 30-45 minute conversation a "round")
Round 2: Hiring Manager
Round 3: Panel Interview
Round 4: Director, or Hiring Manager's Manager, or Hiring Manager's Manager's Manager
@Illustrator76 Panel interview? What are you applying for? Even with a pro license I would only have to do a panel for gov jobs
@@jameswhite3415He mentioned that in this video, lol. I know for sure that any job in the tech space does these. So, creative design, development, IT, engineering, project management, etc... They all do panel interviews with a few of the people on your team/your would-be "peers."
Anything more than 2 rounds is a waste of everyone's time
The job market is really sad considering the cost of everything is going up, and wages remain stagnant
Amen
Or depreciating. I'm in the welding sector. Wages have depreciated over 30% in the past decade.
@@Chihirolee3exactly, wages haven't ACTUALLY gone up since the 70s. Between inflation and price gouging in most areas of life, things have just been going downhill and its gotten most notable in the last few years.
Yeaa the US is just trying to use their cannon fodder
@@Chihirolee3right. My mom’s RN wages turned into a salary. Now she’s working a part time job
He talked about internship a lot as if those are easy to get, even internships are non existing!!!
Even in "High demand" (the bullshit claim our uni job search center told us in the MANDATORY job-search class that was basically just gaslighting us into sticking with our plan to graduate into a shit market) fields like engineering, it's become near impossible to get an internship without already knowing someone. It's not what you know, it's who you know (ie nepotism)
Rejecting employees and reposting the jobs so you can import some guy in India or Pakistan for their work visa on the cheap.
To use that program, iirc, you need to prove you cannot fill the position with normal workers before looking for H-1B applicants.
Disgusting.
The fact that a whopping ZERO candidates for congress or the presidency are running on cracking down on this specific issue is one of the primary reasons this country is going to FAIL.
@@shadow7988 this is by design, sadly, by the elites who literally look at us like cattle and want us to eat bugs
Im sure that they dont even report these workers to the system. Im from Eastern Europe and some online jobs are for Eastern Europe,India,Pakistan and some other Asian countries maybe. They dont mention any visa for the emolyees.
I stopped looking 2 years ago. Over 3 years I targeted 3 specific job areas as I have several years of experience in those areas, 4 tailored resumes, tailored cover letters, and after more than 1500 applications, I got 5 interviews and no offers. I feel for these kids.
24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone.
Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs since I graduated college
What do you do these days if you don't mind me asking?
@@AirConditioner402 I am lucky enough to be able to retire early.
Yes...I stopped my last interviews last year November 2023 after I went on 2 interviews at 2 different hospitals gave references and was ghosted by both. Never again! I'm done. I get jobs faster by working with temp agencies, contract to permanent. No interview processes.
@@Cateutopiayes, agencies are so much better
I went through 4 interviews and then was ghosted. The position is still up a month later. These companies are not helping themselves by treating people this way
You need to remember that a lot of people running businesses are psychopaths
They are not searching. They are only scanning the market!
Taco Bell is hiring immediately.
In most cases, these aren't real companies. They are either recruiters, or they are fraudulent companies. Most fail a basis sec of state lookup, or have red flags in their filings/website etc (primary on-premise location UPS store?), all it does is add cost on the person least able to bear the cost (finite time).
This might be hard to hear, but I’ve noticed that MANY of these recruiters are women in their early to mid 20’s and treat candidates like they treat the modern dating scene.
There are parallels!
Wow that's insane! I live in UK. Never applied for more then 3 jobs at a time. Longest time I was without a job was 2-3weeks.
Selling phones in a Costco absolutely would help his resume when you're trying to get your first job you got to be willing to take whatever you can get. My first ever job out of high school was selling phones at AT&T and it gained me experience to get other fancier sales jobs where I ended up making six figures. Sales is one of the foundations of business and college is a scam because it teaches you nothing about sales.
:you got to be willing to take whatever you can get."
That is why a millionaire's son will start from the board of director (what impressive career, isnt it) and you should take any crap.
Or maybe the economy should create jobs for college level minds. Sales is for stupid extroverted blowhards.
He’s telling the truth about fake jobs or reposting them constantly. I guess it’s either data mining or the job is so terrible the employee quits within 1-2 months. We are in a terrible job market
I've seen people quit in 30 minutes. Lmao
There are a number of reasons for it. Its still evil but here are some of them.
Primarily, it creates friction and interference in employee relations, this adds an arbitrary cost to hiring and searching making whoever provides a solution to removing this cost has a competitive advantage and can force others to carve off some money for themselves at the expense of everyone else (parasites).
The only people that benefit are the people offing AI services to weed out applicants, head hunters, and nation states that have regime change in mind.
The latter is well known, If people can't work they can't get food, which leads to violent unrest when they start starving. It also suppresses wages, but doing so below a certain point predictably leads to doom loops both in the birth rate and economically.
We have a lot of blind evil people out there in positions they should not be in that are front-of-line blocking.
A big reason companies do it is because of H1B immigrants. It's a scummy practice to post fake job postings, then tell the government you weren't able to hire any americans and get H1B clearance. This is why our tech sector got completely overtaken by Indians, btw.
I was having the same issue. I have applied for over 1000 jobs this year.
I'm new to the industry and was running into the 'experience' hurdle.
I finally got my first offer this week. 🥳
Good luck with the offer
honestly, stay in the job for a few years if u can, learn, be nice, absorb, and then set up by yourself. You wont regret it. Pay yourself what u feel youre worth. Youll be wealthier, happier and by the time youre 45, you can work when you want. i love working 3 hours a day from home, in the sunshine, and still getting a full time income.
Jesus Christ! I am not american and I would take 999 rejections or non answers very badly...like at some point I would become delulu and think its personal. Congrats though.
@@calistafalcontail after a while you realise it's not personal
I graduated last year, all the work I put in towards my dream job was wiped out immediately from AI.
I told all my friends to drop out. It's insane students are paying thousands of dollars for stupid "required GE" polarized classes that is completely unrelated with their major, and if the professor simply doesn't like you, you get an F and stay for one more semester to get a degree.
Listen: I had an internship and two different jobs worth of experience in my field. And I STILL can’t find work. I don’t think your logic on internship is 100% sound. It was maybe 10 years ago, but no one cares about it now. A lot of us who have those sort of experiences are struggling too….
Turning in 1600 applications, wo any kind of success is disgusting in this country. These companies must be humbled.
It has been that way for many years ever since companies turned to the internet to find workers. Long gone are those days where you actually went to the job site and filled out a paper application for work. I miss those days
Well it will eventually happen. When the social contract breaks because of deceitful avaricious people, and the workers become homeless and starve, violent unrest is not far off. Food security is a major driving factor of civil war/revolution in all historical contexts.
It's freaking hopeless. Graduated university, not one entry IT position available after FOUR MONTHS. Over 800 job applications so far and ONLY 3 LEGITIMATE CALLS related to real IT or CS. I'm stuck at the warehouse and MESSED UP my shoulders!! Where am I supposed to go!?
800 applications???? OMG. I would try another state and apply. You might have to move
I got laid off last year as a senior application consultant. I applied for over 1200 jobs in 10 months and got an offer as a junior consultant paying 30% less than my previous job.
Just keep churning them out with at least effort as possible (just make sure your Resume/CV is top-notch and squared away)... I know it fknsucks, but just keep blasting them away. If you run into a generic job post that requires too many hoops/effort to apply (like reentering what's on your resume, lol, love that one), skip it! Just focus on mass applying to jobs that fit your specific actual field... and then just wait.
Only other thing to do that will actually give you a decent chance of a response: reach out to your extended network! Your friends, your classmates, your professors, your parents, your extended family members, your church if you go there, etc. etc. And lastly, if the job is at least in the same area/field as you or adjacent with direct ties to your intended field... don't be afraid to accept jobs for lower or shyt pay (even if its somewhat insulting)... cause once you get in and can show your worth and work ethic, it becomes muuuuch easier to move around and into a new position that actually fits your field. And once you get that first real job, all the rest come much more easily (but still sucks, but not soul crushing, lol)
Time to pick up a trade brah. Six figure income without the crippling debt earn as you learn
I feel for you. Pls read my comments.
My issue is there are so many scam job postings and fake job postings.
I've hit around 1200 applications and had two interviews that went nowhere. I did not get internships when I was in college because I didn't know they existed. Nobody told me they were pretty much required now for your first job (not my advisor, parents or friends). I have tried to get an internship post-grad but every single time I get told they are reserved for students only.
I'm at the point where I think it's literally impossible for me to get a job because of my "lack of experience" and a refusal to give me that experience because I missed one step that my college failed to alert me on.
Companies now don't really consider internship as experience
Same story here
I am in software engineering with a master's degree and 6 years of solid experience (4 years in a startup and 2 years in a big corp). I've been told I can only get a junior salary or get told that "I am not technical enough" all the time. Even when you have experience they do everything to undermine you and low ball you.
Any reason , if any, they give, is false. I was told i do not know the language that was required. The person who told me that had rudimentary level of the language. I am perfectly fluent. I laughed.
At least i knew that was just an excuse.
Taco Bell is hiring immediately.
This is the beginning of the end of the US economy. There are more people that need jobs than there are full time jobs that pay a living wage.
Peak Capitolism. Should have paid more attention in econ201 😂
AI replacing HR jobs, engineering, IT...
@@richardscathouseno. This is peak socialism. We haven’t been a capitalist country since 1913 (Fed reserve). Officially speaking. We became the socialist nightmare since 1929 (Herbert Hoover plagued us by setting the groundwork for con man FDR to continue his terrible economic policies and expand them aggressively , ushering us into this long progressive era. We never recovered from the disease that is progressive politics since 1933. The short of it, is that America is a socialist country for the rich and powerful. We don’t have “free markets” as we once did. The most important thing to pay attention to is how the government robbed this country of all it’s labor by inflating the price of gold, to eventually getting us off the gold standard. Until we have real money. Nothing in this economy will ever make sense. Don’t blame capitalism for what people do voluntarily from exchanges of goods and services. Blame this oppressive economic system created by the Federal government. I am not an anarchist, but know this, Capitalism exists without a government; socialism requires a government to have a monopoly on violence to achieve its end. Capitalism enables individuals to create their wealth. Socialism is a closed system for a few gate keepers to control the wealth of others. Don’t get hung up on the words, the elite of this country could care less what economic system they live in, as long as they get to rule over others and have more than the rest to feel like gods amongst mortals.
Edit: To all the socialist who are triggard by math. I use to be a progressive who drank the kool aid. I got read up on the history of "America's Great Depression" by Murray Rothbard. Yall know not what you speak. I just told yall who didn't read what I wrote that we have socialist for corporations. You not bright to infer that we should have socialism for the poor. Socialism does not work for anybody. Stop playing your zero sum games. Your like crabs in a bucket. You see one con man who got one over on suckers and yall just envy the con man and say "why can't we just take from others like they do". You country is run by criminals. The lesson is not to become one yourselves.
Lastly, don't kid yourselves about "democractic socialist countries". That fairy tale is the same lie you were sold about the unsustainable "american dream". You can't math a free lunch in any situation. Prove me wrong; go become a doctor and offer your services for free for the rest of your life. Show me the way. Show me the light. Go help out Canadians who have been waiting 5 months or more to get screened for cancer. Go live in your car as a doctor in canada for free give healthcare to canadians. I am waiting.
Migrants coming in 😅
@Nlott2 The worse part is that we haven't hit rock bottom yet. Once the hard part comes, all of us except for the top 1% are screwed. Trillions and trillions of dollars wasted on useless wars, giving money to other countries, worthless unproductive social programs, you name it. And now more of our money to illegals
Look, this young person is spot on. As a job seeker, I am experiencing the exact same things. The only "new jobs" the Government has created are Government jobs, and there are low-paying Healthcare jobs that are part-time now. I haven't applied to "thousands" of jobs, but I've applied to enough over these past four months. It's a demoralizing place to be at this time. I feel for him.
Thank you Bryan for speaking the truth here.
The job market is basically on life-support. Interviewing three to four times for a low-paying role is just UTTERLY RIDICULOUS. There were some days where I thought I would be interviewing with the cleaning crew. Recruiters in other countries who either spoke very little English or had extremely heavy accents were calling/emailing me regarding roles here in the metropolitan area that were either low-paying/short term or both. Those were the calls/emails I ignored.
JOB MARKET IS BROKEN! I'm old. I'm "Gen X". I have over 20 years of experience as an engineer. Just prior to covid I took a leave of absence because of new mgt in our company that after laying off half our salaried staff wanted to relocate me to a facility that was 90 minute one way commute. I'm a single dad with two grade school kids. Not gonna happen. I decided to pivot to IT, but couldn't really get going on any certs until after COVID because I basically had to homeschool my kids for nearly two years. Finally got my certs, started looking for work for the last year, and can't find anything. Nothing. I target specific companies, write CL's, make phone calls, even drop by locations asking if they're hiring and nothing.
GenX here too. We have ageism to deal with as well. If you’re over 45 you might not want to put dates on your resume and leave out anything after 15 years ago.
How about you try pulling yourself up by the bootstraps. Kids these days... think they deserve things like "jobs" and that employers are at their beck and call to serve them $70k/yr jobs like candy. I hate to break it to you sweety, but we live in a society. Bunch of pampered commies these days, is everyone afraid to "work" nowadays?!
Sell IT services as a contractor IT hiring is dead due to companies not having dedicated large IT departments
@@forgottenamericana Thanks. Yeah, I removed all dates and just put years of service for each company. Except many online applications require start dates and end dates, unfortunately.
@@Demonstrait Yeah, I'm leaning that route now. Hopefully I can make enough to scrape by for the next few years. About ready to sell my house and live off those funds if I can't find something soon. Never thought in a million years I'd be in this situation.
It is just like online dating lol. The only difference is that you have to have a job to survive.
This comment will get pulled. Scammy fussy employers and Scammy fussy women
@@keithparker1346 loser
@@keithparker1346 He's right though. Job searches are just like online dating.
@@censoredeveryday3320 I never said it wasn't like dating online.see my post above
Only the top 5 % matter
I am a Computer Programmer being rejected by Minimum Wage positions. And I have years of experience. Nothing's working out in this job market.
Yet another reason why I'm staying home on Nov. 5th, lies and half-truths about the "ever-growing" job market.
And even if you do manage to get a job, you won't want it anymore after six months because employers only think they know how to manage, but it's just their ego running wild.
Exactly!
I've been super critical of college, but dropping out is the worst thing you can do, unless you already have an "in" at a place. But please believe, even if you do, they WILL use not having a degree against you down the line.
I agree with what you are saying, but tech and trade schools is where it's at....
@@brianred8 it was but right now, the talent pool in tech is overflowing. The problem with tech schools, is how many of them were scammy. But trades almost feel like a surefire bet these days.
Lie about having a degree.... Put a fake Diploma in your Resume if you have experience for the job .... IF its not fair out there , fight the fight
@@stevenphillips3466 they can check that in a background check. If a degree is required, they WILL check. And when they can't find anything, they WILL ask you for proof. I almost missed out on my job because my school closed and they couldn't verify that I had a degree.
I had to drop out because I'm too poor to finish.
Internships???? Who the hell can work for free/almost free anymore? These employers need to get a grip on reality if they don't want protests happening soon (if they haven't already).
They have a great grip on reality. They know that there are far more candidates than there are jobs, so they take full advantage of those candidates.
They just better hope that the candidates don't remember that treatment if/when the pendulum swings back again.
Who can work for free? The one who has worked in the past and saved up money. Who can live with parents while doing an internship. The one who has planned ahead and doesn't believe that a job will be magically waiting just because they have a degree. An internship isn't forever, it's 6 - 12 months.
@@cindymichel4870 PSA: If they're not paying you, then your internship is worth exactly that much.
Wait. Are you guys getting internships?
@@cindymichel4870 Bold of you to assume that these students have the financial support to take on an unpaid internship.
A lot of these "Employment opportunities" and just people farming personal information. They know they can literally ask the candidate most of the information that they would normally keep private.
Her is a tip. If you don’t have the job after the third interview, it’s over. The fourth is just to “keep you” in case their first and second choices don’t take the offer. Or to train; their HR people.
I work in one of the top pharma companies and I've noticed over time; these companies are hiring from within. The reasons they are hiring within is due to minimal training, salary does not change much based on the position's grade. A Director left our organization and found a position outside of the company. It took her two (2) years to find her new position. I fear for myself and the younger generation seeking employment.
Lol, ill stick to living off of unemployment.
WHY!?.
I totally understand what this guy is going through. My fiancé has been unemployed most of the last 6 years after relocating. He’s probably applied to thousands of jobs, not even McDonald’s will call him back. They all say they’re urgently hiring and not hiring anyone. At this point he’s just started lying that he’s still employed out of desperation. Only company willing to hire him advertised an admin job but actually wanted a hard physical laborer….Even went to a government office to see if they would offer any assistance in finding a job, they told him to just have a baby to get benefits...Ok Florida.
What's the matter with you lady???? Why would you marry a bum like this??? Wake up. You can get a lot better man then this loser. Don't marry no bum
Move to a different state. I left Florida for a job in another state
Send him to an amazon warehouse. Great benefits. Had he done that at the start he’d be at 6 years tenured getting 4.2 weeks off paid a year and could be L4-6.
@NickOloteo Amazon isn't hiring in most locations 😂 I live near 2 MASSIVE locations and that shit is a lie, I drive many of the managers home and it's a shit show
Find a company that went bankrupt and list a work experience in that company.
In this job market, we are forced to lie in order to survive and provide to our family
This guy in the TikTok video is 100% spot on!!!
You can try explain it the best you can, but I can't imagine you are in the same position and able to fully comment from the same perspective.
Everything is a LIE!!
I personally feel 80% of job postings on LinkedIn are fake and only designed to phish for peoples contact and/ or data.
Job fairs are low yield propositions for job seekers. Some companies participate because it makes them more visible within the field. Others just want to get a feel for how many Citrix administrators are in that job market.
If a 20 year old from 1955 was transported to today, they would be homeless or suicidal very quickly. We didn't always have to deal with this. Not many years ago you could walk up to a construction site your uncle was working on, offer help, and you could have a home, multiple cars, and a family of four off that income (with great overtime pay). Our homogenous civilization and our wealth has been robbed from us through government spending and bad trade deals (which is evident with the debauched, inflated currency we use). This is what baby boomers left you with. Never forget it.
Your first two sentences were spot on, and then you went full fash. Never go full fash.
The controlled demolition of the American economy.
Nope. There is a shortage in the trades right now. Electrician, plumbing, carpentry, aircraft mechanic are high paid union jobs. My next door neighbor works for Kaiser healthcare as a carpenter. He does computer guided and hands on carpentry. He just started a job for them which will take five years. So he has another several years of job security. Pivot. We also need Registered Vet Techncians and school districts need tech people.
Actually read the book, Generations. About half of all baby boomers never climbed a career ladder. This is not the fault of one generation.
@@fremontpathfinder8463 If schools need tech people, why don't they pay like they need tech people? Educational IT is some of the worst part you'll ever see.
4 interviews for minimum wage jobs? Seems like they're probing how desperate he is to get the job. The biggest scam that any degree is a good degree is still going on by the Karens in HR. And they wonder why millennials and are going into "the trades" on top of us no longer caring about what prestige a job has since the only purpose of a job is to do the things you and pay for expenses we can't avoid.
Don't get me started on employers only hiring experienced people for entry level positions. Those are desperation jobs. If there was really a hot job market we wouldn't be seeing tiktoks like this.
My dad is a pipefitter. Going into the trades without an in at the union for the skill trade you are wanting to work in is equally suicide. Union jobs are the well paid ones. Otherwise, migrants are actually doing a lot of the trades work at nonunion sites in NYC at a fraction of the cost. I imagine that will spread.
Without guild/union membership for the trades, you might as well queue up at home depot for a job in general contracting as a laborer.
This guy has a terrible temperament. Companies who rejected him did themselves a favor.
Agreed. I wouldn't want to work with a guy like this and if he got placed on my team, everyone would question who hired them and why.
He went over 1600 jobs it's understandable why he's angry, I would be too as well if I went to college for 4 years, and I'm now stuck applying for beginning jobs which I cannot get.
These are some of the same companies who will lie to him by posting fake jobs and wasted his time with several interviews just to ghost him? This is disrespectful by many levels and these companies should be called out for it. Obviously his tone is out there, I agree but you can't say he has a "terrible temperament" when he was lied too
I am in this situation too. My theory ist that companies use fake job offers to either a) conduct market and/or competition research, b) steal applicants data, c) embellish their corporate presence.
D) import cheap ppl from india
E) for stock value
The urgently hire thing is true in my experience. I was unemployed last year. I applied for a job that states urgently hired on indeed. I didn’t get the job. 4 months later when applying for jobs, I saw the exact same job, still saying urgently hiring.
Sometimes but rarely it is really urgently but as you have noticed only if it is not repetitive "urgent" hiring.
Just a pure luck.
Why they do that I wonder
Not american. I've got my BA in economics from a great university. Summa cum laude, highest GPA of this major at our school of all time. It's been a year since I was laid off by a big 4 and I've had zero offers since then.
I've lost all pride in my academic achievements, it's proved itself utterly meaningless.
But still, we have to brave on...
Unfortunately, a BA is the new high school degree. My law degree is what's keeping me employed. Find out where the alumni of your great university are working and apply for jobs at their locations. You have to think outside the box today.
Similar story. Unfortunately, I learned a bit too late that GPA's mean very little to anything beyond a certain level (and is used more as a rough sieve to filter out certain applicants). The seemingly only thing that matters is one thing that is extremely hard to change: personality
24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA Summa Cum Laude/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone.
Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to
gpa doesn't mean anything anymore
@@emzywillrich7243 well said. One of the main reasons I believe I secured my position is because I was able to head straight to grad school. Combine that with no less than 7 separate internships (including a field study and two unpaid endeavors), and I would hope I was a standout candidate. Mind you, I bypassed Corporate America entirely, so that may have something to do with it as well...
2 years ago I got my first job. I have an associates degree. My first job was being a housekeeper at a retirement home for $12.24 an hour. I worked there a few months, respectfully put in my two weeks, and moved on. Now I have been offered a manager position (though I have no interest in it). Sometimes you gotta take that first crappy job just to show future employers you are willing to wade through the crap.
Enjoying the content topics, Brian. Look foward to the next, thanks 😊
I just want to say that if you look at the most recent jobs report you will notice that there is a decrease in full time employment positions, and a massive increase in part-time and short-term contract positions. So when the news says there are lots of jobs out there they are correct. But these are bottom of the barrel jobs that won't pay your bills.
It's so annoying that this is never mentioned. The media is so desperate to hide info on how bad the job market is. Most of the new jobs are is Hospitality, like maids at hotels.
So true. The rise of the gig economy is very real and it's inflating those numbers.
Finally someone says it, the news cover isn't exhaustive, it should've been "the rise in shitty pay job market"
My reply to you was deleted. I mentioned even more stats that support your point. So YTube is trying to hide info just like you say the news is. Ah, the irony
This has been the trend for 16 years though, and yes it's constantly just getting a little bit worse. After the 2008 recession everything went to temp/part time, fewer benefits, much lower pay, and more. Maybe we just finally hit another tipping point?
Some people have gone from well off, to middle class to poverty level, with degrees.
Great channel! Thanks for helping job seekers out the way you are doing!
Wait, he says he's applying for minimum wage jobs BUT he turned down $41K??
Easier to find a job when you have a job. My first job out of college 10 years ago paid 9.78 an hour. Accepted my first teaching job at $35,000 a year. It took two years to get $42,000 a year.
I've heard of companies using the hiring interview practical skills demonstration as a means of getting free work out of applicants. So, they let the applicant think they have a shot, give them a project to work on to demonstrate their skills (that just happens to be work they'd normally have to pay an employee for), then tell the candidate they weren't selected. Rinse and repeat for more free work. Not suggesting most or many companies do this, but it could be one reason that some employers keep reposting a position.
This is true. They do this. I went on one interview where the questions were TOO specific. One guy was feverishly writing notes as I gave my responses. They got their info, but I didn't get the job.
The sad part is that a friend of mine spent over 2 weeks doing a take-home assignment to be rejected. If he was able to see that he was being tricked, he could have spent those weeks sending more CV and going to interviews. My golden rule is if it takes more than 7h then don't do it
They do this! The law states if you do a working interview that they have to pay you. Many ppl are desperate to get the job they will do it for free
@@genx7006I would have lied or change a couple of small details to screw them over.
I think that a lot of these companies are selling your information to others on applications
The market is broken. I have not had a call back since December. I am at the other end of my career, many years of experience
What career field are you in if I may ask?
@@djtwister6997 electrical engineering, mostly design and construction of buildings
Omg I am so glad to see this video I am going bananas thinking I was the one exactly the same situation here and on top they pay so little 😢
Why did he turn down the $41,000 job? You have applied for a myriad of jobs but refused the only job that gave you an offer?
The job market is rough, absolutely, but you sometimes have to take what you can get until you can get better.
@yneigmapsyko You turn down a job when it doesn't pay a livable wage. If a trade doesn't get you closer to an outcome you want you don't make that trade; its basic economics.
Had a 2 year internship. Over 1000 successful call on help desk. Can't get a help desk job for nothing.
That's way too long and not to have a guaranteed job at the end. I hope you stayed that long only if it was a paid internship. Most internships span only about 2 to 6 months.
I was experiencing this poor guy's reality after college in 2009-10, again in 2015-16 and most recently 2023. Calling, filling and sending out applications, going to tours, going to interviews, talking to owners directly even! My parents couldn't understand it and I told them it's because you haven't had to be in the job market for over 40 years! You still think it's the f%$king 1970s/80s!!!
It's brutal out here in the real world. Short term gains are prioritized over all else! If that requires shenanigans with hiring practices and employee retention or lack of retention, then that is what is being done in the name of profits! It's awful out here! And the lights haven't even gone out yet or a major food shortage or some other truly horrible scenario, and this is how cutthroat things already are!
Same, I graduated college in 2014. And looked for a job related to my degree for like a year and a half while working 2 retail jobs. The only interview I got turned out to not be what I thought I was intervewing for. It was similar to this kid where it was selling direct TV in Walmarts. And alot of companies just never reached out to you all. The only ones would would seem to schedule interviews were jobs not related to my degree at all. Finally took a full time security job, thinking I'd only be there another year maybe two while looking for a job. Ended up working there for 8 years before I just gave up looking for a job related to my degree. I last year decided to take an apprenticeship, which was a massive paycut, but overall decided that in the long run that company would be a much better job than my going nowhere security job. I still make less than I did but after finishing the apprenticeship I got bumped up in pay to only $4 an hour less than I made before and the benfits are way better than my security job ever was. Getting a degree was just a total waste of money. Biggest regret of my life.
And my parents kept telling me to apply out of state. And I was. At one point my mom told me to just move without a job and then start applying there but I really didn't want to just fully move out with no job lined up and have same experience but in a different state without any people that I know or family to fall back on if I couldn't find a job.
Thank your helpful tips! Landed a great job with a fantastic employer a few months back🎉
I have internships and work experience and degrees and everything they want. It seems like networking and nepotism is the only way to get a job now. My dad asked me what my skills gap is and i told him it’s not a skills gap it’s a networking gap. However no one ever wants to do anything so whenever i ask my network if they wanna get together for coffee or lunch everyone always says they’re too busy…. Hard to network when no one is ever open to chat but im trying to put myself out there and hoping for the best. Attending networking events and being active on linked in etc.
Went to a nice school, got my degree. Worked a job post grad, was a top performer for the year I stayed. Left, now approaching 10 months unemployed, 1,000+ applications. Spoken with multiple career coaches, tailored specific resumes, a cover letter for each job, coffee chats, called companies, emailed countless people, nothing. Tore through all my savings and now searching for a minimum wage job that won’t even pay my bills. Something is *very* wrong.
Not sure why you left but it's best to have a job lined up before you quit. It can even be a leveraging tool, saying to your boss, "I like my job here, but XYZ company is willing to hire me at $10,000 more a year."
@@cindymichel4870 I'm aware, but I had to move and remote wasn't an option
Who did you
Vote for ?
Hopefully you won't have to move again! If I lost my job now I think I would have to move because I'm I'm in a small town and the largest city closest to us is a small city mainly govt employment. I have worked for the govt but most have horrible pay nowhere near market, poverty levels especially with the rising inflation. Out of desperation I would go back to the gov't job but I would hate it.
Welcome to the real world... Just because you went to school doesn't mean you're qualified and have actual skills...
I have gotten interviewed for "ghost" jobs. They're still posted out there 6 months later - but they update them so no one can tell how old they are. I have also been one of those throw-away interviews when they already have an internal candidate that's been decided on but HR requires a minimum number of external interviews. So since I have a Fortune 500 on my resume, they're just curious to talk to me. I'd say that's been at least 20 out of 50 total interviews.
The issue with my area is that the jobs are remote or hybrid in all cases. So, I've been competing with the entire USA and then some.
Ah, internals requiring the facade of external hiring process.... I know it too well. :/ Unfortunately - nothing you can do. Just ignore it and move on. I wish you best luck. oh and learn at leas one foreign language well. in the U.S. this is still a big thing, so use it to your advantage.
Wanna know the best part? I dropped out of college with only 5k debt and now getting paid working 19.45 in a logistics position. Saved 3k for a medical coding certification course, and well on my way to grabbing a job in the range of 50K per year with lots of upward mobility.
College is a JOKE. Who you know is far better than what you're qualified for. The American way of a handshake and a degree to get you in the door is dead.
I ain't dunking on you Americans,I spent a decade over there and have seen this firsthand. But to my eyes,all of you got these degrees and the market can only hire so many of you. Too many highly educated folks,not enough jobs to go around. Also companies requiring 5+years for entry level positions is just insane as hell. Learn a trade,go over seas. Sucks,I know,but that's what I did( how I ended up in the states for a decade-ish) ,and it worked for me.
Best advice ever. We need blue collar workers like plumbers, electricians and truck drivers. All just require a year or so of trade school and a certification/license. But every kid today is told that they need to go to college, which is wrong.
When I was attending USC for business administration I was told the school was not training me for a job, but giving a foundation to be trained to do a job by the company that hires me. I have yet to see a company hire someone with the intention of training them first to do said job. Needless to say getting a job after graduation was f*ckin miserable ☠️ . Companies asking for 4-5 years of experience from recent grads...
This concept was never explained to me when I was in college and it took me many years after graduating before I realized it. I wish someone had told me like they told you. I would've approached my career and job searching much differently if I had known.
Fight On bro
I got a degree in Business Administration and its only good for holding up the wall with a nail in a picture frame and I still owe over $50k.
@@Cateutopia lol. Pretty much. You got out with less debt than me. Good job on that.
@sjc5411
It was 75k. I got it down to 50k which is what I now owe. And...the Univeristy that I attended online went out of business in 2020. 😡 I did not even know until I tried to make a payment in 2020.
the automated canned email response saying "thanks but no thanks" also explains why ive gotten rejection emails from companies even after signing the offer letter and/or working there for awhile. I guess they closed out the position and it just automatically sent the email to everyone who applied, even if they got in.
lmao the automated rejection email happened to me at one of the jobs I was hired to. i didnt mention it to anyone, I figured getting escorted out of the building would be fun.
I have been told several times by the hiring managers that they get paid to post jobs
Really? Like a commission?
@@FC-hj9ub yep
Don’t forget these feelings when the companies turn around and start begging us to come back
Let them panic, let them scramble. Then they’ll learn
The last time I looked for a job was 8 years ago. It took 3 weeks to get an offer after a handful of interviews. For each job, there would be a screening interview and then you came into the office and met with 3-5 people usually 1on-1. Maybe after that, you'd have to come back one time but often not. If selected, 1-3 days later, you get the offer. The process takes days, a week tops.
Looking for a job today? You get the screening interview, then maybe another slightly more specialized interview, then the coding interview (I'm in tech), then at least one more interview maybe two. Each interview is scheduled separately about one week apart. It takes about a month to go through the process. Maybe longer.
I think it's crazy and broken.
It is a total waste of time. Realistically anyone that passes the screening interview could do the job so a second interview should be to pick one or two of the people (two in case the first one declines offer) and that's it. Why bother with third and fourth interviews? Just hire the top candidate contingent/contracting to perm for 90 days and move on. This system is broken.
It is more than crazy and broken. It is OUTRAGEOUS and RIDICULOUS. It does not help that applying for a job is all done on the web. Thousands of people from New Delhi can apply for that one tech job making it extremely difficult for you and me. And even if you get the interview, the corporation is sizing you up before you get to answer the first question. Welcome to corporate America
Hr is a cancer, a useless man in the middle. And... demand a ban for hb1.
You guys are getting interviews?
@@GhostSamaritan Yes, but I'm at the senior level and also I have a big network.
It's the market. 3,000 applications (customized), 1,500 networking emails, tons of discussions but only 4 tepid initial discussions. Resumes rewritten, LinkedIn rewritten. In 2020 - 50 resumes and 8 interviews. 2024 - this is crazy. {And before you shout about not targeting - June 2023 to now is almost 12 months. Thats about 250 apps a month, 60 a week, or 10 a day - yes it's a full time job customizing apps and networking - but it's where these numbers come from}
How old are you? I'm 48 and I'm sensing rampant age discrimination. My observation is that boomers are not retiring, they're still execs and now laying off GenX (like me) who are more expensive to provide insurance for, not to mention competition for their own jobs - and the millennials only want to work with other millennials because anyone older is an oppressor, lol.
@@drivethrupoet 45, but the CV is crafted to showcase only the past 10 years, and doesn't have any dates on the education section, so don' think that's an issue.
@StephenSalaka sometimes they can spot things which reveal age unintentionally. I'm 59 and seriously do not think I'll be working again after losing a job in late 2022. Over 1500 applications 4 interviews...and this is with targeted CVS
Yeah as soon as they realise you're over 40 good luck
I said to hell with it and have been training to get my CDL. I'm being paid to do it.
Gotta get in where you fit in 💯 2023 I only worked for a month, kept applying and finally landed a job in Jan 2024 making $33/hr. I still get rejection emails from jobs back in Oct 2023 I applied too … takes a little bit of luck and that one recruiter to take a chance 💯🤞🏽 keep going yall
As someone who has graduated from university, they have a job board they post and after 3 years after graduation i only managed to get one interview from their job board and they still rejected me anyway. Those are jobs i apply for my major so i completely agree with him, the job market is absolutely broken. I have an internship for my major and one or two more somewhat unrelated to my major in a way. I have experience already and im already struggling as it is. I can't imagine being in his position 😭 at least i got dozens of interviews yet nothing
I lost my job about 3 weeks ago, applied to 60+ jobs, and put out an "available for work" announcement on a job portal. Emailed and called some companies directly, asked several of my old co workers if they know of any job openings or if they can put in some recommendations for me. I've gotten 4 interviews, 2 of those interviews lasted less than a minute as they quickly decided I was not the candidate they wanted. The other 2 I felt went well but I haven't heard anything back from either company since. For anyone wondering I've been applying to CAD Drafter positions, as that relates to my degree and is what I have experience in.
Also, one problem I'm seeing is that they want 5+ years of experience in every single program they use, but only offering entry level wages.
That's why they layed everyone off on tandem. To break the wage market. They don't realize that they are running up against fundamental boundaries required by the social contract.
You need to be able to make sufficient wages to cover expenses for yourself, a wife, and three children in order to plan to have children. We currently are at levels where many people are now homeless and food stamps gets you 1.5 weeks of food for the month. No ones paying attention because there is so much noise they can't see or recognize anything or take any action.
This situation is purposeful.
Honestly, as much as we harp on GenZ, he's got several good points:
- The point I most agree with: College is (nearly) not worth the paper its printed on. As someone who has hired/interviewed plenty of people myself, the LAST thing I look at is the education. I'd rather see 3-4 internships, bootcamps (if tech) or otherwise similar hands-on experience rather than a 4 year college degree. AT LEAST maybe stop at an Associate's/2 year degree, but a Bachelor's right now is a luxury, not a need. ESPECIALLY for entry-level jobs.
- It really should NOT be this hard to get an entry-level job. It is called entry level for a reason. I do think there is a "numbers-cooking" happening, at least in this area, where gig/part-time work is somehow getting calculated into this. But, even as this video admits, for entry-level jobs, it IS a numbers game at some point. Even if it wasn't the most targeted/optimized resume, getting a $45-50k job should not be this kind of a struggle if the job market is supposedly that healthy.
Can this guy probably use more targeted resume writing skills and networking skills, sure. But honestly, I think its more indicative of this illusion of job market strength that is very unnerving right now.
That last part! A low level entry level job shouldn't be this ridiculous to scout. But I think another commenter mentioned that because the Boomers aren't retiring it's really condensing things. There is also the problem of the GenXers being expensive employees (insurance, families, etc...).
You do not care about bachelors degrees ,but *not enough* other employer don’t care care either so it does not overturn the value of bachelors degree.
A degree is worthless. The importance of college is finding rich asses to kiss to slide you to the front of the line at hiring time
24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone.
Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to
I work in the airline industry. Legacy aircarriers are notoriously hard to get hired at. Especially if you have zero airline experience. Full-time positions will generally go to internal candidates first. Those call center jobs most likely went to people who already worked for the airline, came from an airline contractor, or a position in the travel industry.
If you want to work in the airline industry, it's easiest to start with a contractor first. Once you have your foot in the door, it's much easier to get hired with the airlines.
I did the same things as everyone here, dozens of tailored resumes, call backs, the works. Three or four interviews only to get ghosted. I swear, I've been tempted to hide a giant chunk of the job listing in every damn resume, just to trick the infernal bots.
The worst part though, are the places that ask you to upload your resume, only to make you put the whole thing into their rinky dink form manually. Why even bother uploading anything if you have to spend an hour writing a goddamn essay into their terrible website by hand??
I understand what he's going through. I went through nearly the same thing when I graduated from college, almost 24 years ago. I had no experience and I remember being frustrated with being ghosted by employers or not even being considered. Or seeing want ads for "entry level" jobs that require 2 years of experience. It seems like the hiring system has been broken for a long time.
I feel for this young man. I’ve been there too. He’s right…. This job market is a joke.
24 year old woman, never got an entry level job out of college. I feel left behind and I want to give up. I’m lucky I haven’t been kicked out of my parent’s house. Restaurant let me go in October. 3.95 GPA Summa Cum Laude/tons of extracurriculars business major. Had an accounting job rescinded right at graduation in 2022. Anyone else out there like me? 😞 i feel so alone.
Edit: I've been rejected from a ton of call center jobs, Amazon, CVS, UHAUL, Delta, American Airlines, Dave & Buster's, AppleBee's (even w. 7 years of hospitality experience), the list goes on. Jobs I have been rejected for get reposted allllll the time. There's a HubSpot job I got rejected after 3 rounds over 4 months last year keeps getting reposted every 8 weeks. Rejected from $12-15 an hour jobs too. It's brutal. Over 2,400 jobs applied to
Yeah, I don't even bother with companies anymore if they require more than two interviews. Really any more than that is just a big waste of time for a job you statistically won't even get, and to me reveals a level of bureaucracy and inefficiency where the hiring team has no idea what they're doing and don't care how they're wasting everyone's time (and they're even wasting the company's time and money, but they don't care because they don't own the company and they get to look busy because they can say "oh look at me, I did like 500 interviews this week!") Yes, I blame the hiring teams and the totally broken modern application process.
Yeah I heard of a guy with a conscience who quit working as a recruiter and now helps people at job centers because he heard that one person travelled a long way and took a sick day for an interview he scheduled knowing the position was already filled, but it's protocol to make it look like you're looking.
Then aren't statistically pretty much eliminating yourself from a significant portion of jobs?
@@00Prime00 True. Personally I'll accept a 2nd technical interview or a test but I'm not doing free work for interviews. Most will check that you have the knowledge needed so it's unavoidable.
A lot of college grades currently are "spraying and praying" but they're doing so with relevant jobs.
I am walking out of university with 24 months of Software Development internship experience, some fire projects, awards, and a relevant college degree.
I've been using my network to find jobs, I've been applying to 10-20 jobs a day relevant in my field. I usually hear back from 1-2 jobs every week ( so ~5% ) for at least a phone screen or an interview.
The process is tough. You have to combine utilizing your network, job applications online ( either directly on the company site or on linkedin), communicating with recruiters, reaching out to hiring managers. Its horrible.